NBA 2017 Draft thread. 5th pick and 10th pick.

[KF10]

So, I guess cap space is still a huge commodity around the league, huh?

I hope the Kings partake in such transactions where they eat a bad contract(s) in return for valuable assets.

If you are a destination city like LA it is.

Do you agree with my second part of my post?

[sacking123]

Wow. Either DLo's value was a lot worse than we thought or the Mozgov contract was going to be very, very difficult to move.
With reports they are trying to trade for George and won't include #2 or Ingram, what package could they possibly offer Indy?
Even a small offer from Boston/Cleveland would top theirs.

I think at the moment we need to keep our cool here, a lot of teams are jockeying for position, but if we just hold firm and strike at the right time we will get something BIG.
I'm not sure if it will be a trade with the #10 or not. My guess is it's a player no one thought would drop to #10 in the draft.
The only way I see coming away with a SF & PG with #5 & #10 is taking SF with #5 and then seeing who slips out of DSJ/Fox.
I think Frank goes to Dallas, but would they ditch those plans if Fox somehow drops to them? I think you have to if you are them.
I'm thinking more and more that it's going to be Jackson/DSJ for us.

[209Kings]

So, I guess cap space is still a huge commodity around the league, huh?

I hope the Kings partake in such transactions where they eat a bad contract(s) in return for valuable assets.

Hypothetically, if we have a fantastic draft and pick up a stud at 5 and a stud who fell to 10 but didn't acquire any current or future picks through cap space trading, I would give an A draft a B for that simple fact. Vlade and the Kings are missing out and potentially hurting our future by not taking advantage of our cap space and picking up some future or current assets. Would be great to pick up another 2nd round pick or two (or late 1st) to pick up some underrated prospects like a Frank Mason and Jordan Bell. I think Frank Mason backing up our lottery pick PG could be a duo of the future.

[KF10]

So, I guess cap space is still a huge commodity around the league, huh?

I hope the Kings partake in such transactions where they eat a bad contract(s) in return for valuable assets.

Hypothetically, if we have a fantastic draft and pick up a stud at 5 and a stud who fell to 10 but didn't acquire any current or future picks through cap space trading, I would give an A draft a B for that simple fact. Vlade and the Kings are missing out and potentially hurting our future by not taking advantage of our cap space and picking up some future or current assets. Would be great to pick up another 2nd round pick or two (or late 1st) to pick up some underrated prospects like a Frank Mason and Jordan Bell. I think Frank Mason backing up our lottery pick PG could be a duo of the future.

I agree.

Let's see on Thursday if Vlade and co can wheel and deal for more assets.

[City of Trees]

D'Lo and Mozgov for Lopez and #27. Wow! Nets big win!

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I think the value is pretty even. Brook's 22mil comes off the book this year for LA plus they can replace Dlo's roster spot with a decent rookie(if they pick right).

Nets get a young PG with star potential. It's a big win regardless if value was fair.

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[sacking123]

D'Lo and Mozgov for Lopez and #27. Wow! Nets big win!

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I think the value is pretty even. Brook's 22mil comes off the book this year for LA plus they can replace Dlo's roster spot with a decent rookie(if they pick right).

Does it though? I have been reading reports that Brook has a player option in 18/19?
I can't find anything to confirm that though.

[benchmobbin02]

So, I guess cap space is still a huge commodity around the league, huh?

I hope the Kings partake in such transactions where they eat a bad contract(s) in return for valuable assets.

If you are a destination city like LA it is.

Do you agree with my second part of my post?

With the state of our cap(46mil used out of 101mil including AA's non guaranteed 12.5mil) and the new structure we have in the front office I say yes, I agree.

[City of Trees]

Magic desperate to unload contracts?

Randle/Deng for 34/Afflalo?

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[Eisenheart]

Magic desperate to unload contracts?

Randle/Deng for 34/Afflalo?

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no way, we don't need Randle and im not a fan of his game. we shouldn't help the lakers and take the bad Deng contract for someone like Randle. they can give us some picks

[benchmobbin02]

D'Lo and Mozgov for Lopez and #27. Wow! Nets big win!

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I think the value is pretty even. Brook's 22mil comes off the book this year for LA plus they can replace Dlo's roster spot with a decent rookie(if they pick right).

Does it though? I have been reading reports that Brook has a player option in 18/19?
I can't find anything to confirm that though.

Where did this phantom option year come from? He signed a 3 yr deal in 2015. Of course if the deal goes longer the value is affected but that doesn't affect my statement or others view of the deal as understood without this yr that has only reared it's head after a salary dump trade.

[benchmobbin02]

D'Lo and Mozgov for Lopez and #27. Wow! Nets big win!

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I think the value is pretty even. Brook's 22mil comes off the book this year for LA plus they can replace Dlo's roster spot with a decent rookie(if they pick right).

Nets get a young PG with star potential. It's a big win regardless if value was fair.

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It's a win if he does become a star which is yet to be seen. So the value is absolutely of consequence in the now.

[Christine-In-AZ]

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dozencousins -- here is what I will say about this:

Anyone who is connected and have sources will receive some sort of criticism and hate in return. Reporters with sources will face scrutiny no matter if it is deserved or not. In this day and age, these reporters have the ability to block people on twitter (example), poke fun or simply ignore the naysayers. It comes with the territory. In your case, it is your right to share your information publicly or keep it to yourself. Lets say you share information and it doesn't pan out, you have to expect some people questioning you. If you can't handle it, don't report info from a source.

For you all:

In this case, I simply can't stress enough about the ignore function that we have here in RealGM. In this case, it only takes one party to utilize this function and this whole derailment can be terminated.[/b][/color]

I thought RealGM had a vetting policy when it comes to a poster claiming such information? Something that puts the onus on the poster to provide some degree of proof that they have a connection to possible inside FO info. Could never be fool-proof, but at least it would filter out people that are just pulling stuff out of their *ss and publishing it as fact, in order to satisfy some psychological need or short coming. If someone claims they are getting "inside" straight from a team employee (not reporter hearsay) it would not be that difficult to at least verify that they know someone "inside". Just knowing someone that works for a team doesn't mean you get true intel, but at least they've proven one threshold towards gathering it.

There would be many vetting options and none would be perfect, but at least there's some evidence that they aren't just making stuff up. And if they don't accept the vetting or fail it, they are prohibited from posting info that is presented as "inside information". That's how I thought RGM wants it.

Sagan said it- "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" ...and in this situation RGM is only requiring just a tiny bit of evidence.

Spoiler:

I don't believe there is a vetting procedure/policy in place when it comes to posters claiming to have "inside information" on x team. I disagree about on "...it would not be that difficult to at least verify that they know someone "inside"" I would think that would be the hardest part to prove. What if the source doesn't want to be identified? You can't force them to write something or record their voice (not limited to these examples of course).

If anything, to be considered a credible source of information and reliable -- the information that was set forth by a poster should be legit. It would definitely help to post something concrete before anything official happens. That way, the members of this board would start to believe the person with the information. In my opinion, in dozencousins' case, he is hit or miss. Assuming he has a legit source to go to, the information relayed to him is either reliable or not. If it is reliable, its typically information that is already known, was made public or can be made if you put 2 + 2 together. That is what I've seen so far.

Spoiler:

User dbdynasty (and another) on the Suns board was at least quasi-legit back in '08-'09, and it was said he/they were vetted by the Suns mods at the time. At least for years it was always said by mods on the Suns board that insiders had to be vetted in order to continue to post in such terms.

Ask T&T board mod HartfordWhalers what his PM was about in response to this post back in February. IDK, but I suspect it may have to do with allowances on characterizing one's info-


The source does not have to be exposed/named in the vetting process. Something as prosaic as having the claimed insider give some information about the team offices ...there are ways if RGM wanted, to at least separate complete BSers from possible insiders with some connection or credentials. Otherwise you can easily end up with uh, well?

[sacking123]

I think the value is pretty even. Brook's 22mil comes off the book this year for LA plus they can replace Dlo's roster spot with a decent rookie(if they pick right).

Does it though? I have been reading reports that Brook has a player option in 18/19?
I can't find anything to confirm that though.

Where did this phantom option year come from? He signed a 3 yr deal in 2015. Of course if the deal goes longer the value is affected but that doesn't affect my statement or others view of the deal as understood without this yr that has only reared it's head after a salary dump trade.

I'm not sure. It is just doing the rounds on RGM etc but I can't find anything to confirm that it is.
I think as it stands with him being an expiring I don't mind it as much.


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[KF10]

Spoiler:

User dbdynasty (and another) on the Suns board was at least quasi-legit back in '08-'09, and it was said he/they were vetted by the Suns mods at the time. At least for years it was always said by mods on the Suns board that insiders had to be vetted in order to continue to post in such terms.

Ask T&T board mod HartfordWhalers what his PM was about in response to this post back in February. IDK, but I suspect it may have to do with allowances on characterizing one's info-


The source does not have to be exposed/named in the vetting process. Something as prosaic as having the claimed insider give some information about the team offices ...there are ways if RGM wanted, to at least separate complete BSers from possible insiders with some connection or credentials. Otherwise you can easily end up with uh, well?

Spoiler:

I'll look into it.

[City of Trees]

Listening to James Ham in ESPN 1320, he said the Kings worked out 72 players. Wow. 2 of the top 5 and 8 of the top 20. For Sacramento that's impressive.

Hey Chad Ford about that tweet a few weeks ago....

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[209Kings]

Listening to James Ham in ESPN 1320, he said the Kings worked out 72 players. Wow. 2 of the top 5 and 8 of the top 20. For Sacramento that's impressive.

Hey Chad Ford about that tweet a few weeks ago....

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There are some very valuable players in the 2nd round. Looks like the Kings did their due diligence on those players. Critical that we use your cap space to acquire some 2nd round picks (or later firsts).

[City of Trees]

So I saw Texas Chuck mention this... Brook Lopez to LAL may actually improve the Lakers record next season which could mean Boston will miss out on LAL 2018 and get Sac 2019. Philly could be losers in this trade.

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[Sacramento_King]

D'Lo and Mozgov for Lopez and #27. Wow! Nets big win!

To bad we didnt offer Malachi, 34 and KK. KK has a player option so essentially an expiring. We still keep 5 and 10. Add DRuss to our young core. I'd take Mozgov on for that.

[codydaze]

Yeah, Vlade!!

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[nolimit0820]

david Aldridge reports lakers and kings were engaged in trade talks for 2nd pick for 5/10