NBA 2017 Draft thread. 5th pick and 10th pick.

Joel Embust · Post #2101 » by **Joel Embust** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:44 pm

Question, Kings fans. Who would you want at #10? Zach Collins?

sacking123 · Post #2102 » by **sacking123** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:51 pm

209Kings wrote:
RIPskaterdude wrote:
dozencousins wrote:I feel the top 5 in the draft now will be .

1 fultz
2 ball
3 jackson
4 tatum
5 fox

If suns don't take tatum I think they take Issac and then tatum slips a bit

Orlando will grab him at 6 if he drops

Ya I don't see any of the top 6 dropping. The top 6 will go in the top 6 in whichever order. Celtics are taking Tatum or Jackson. Suns will take whoever Celtics didn't draft. Kings will take Fox and Orlando will take Isaac. If Suns take Fox, we take whoever Celtics didn't pick. None of these 6 guys are dropping.

Yeah that is how it's looking.
I do think it's Tatum 3, Isaac 4, Fox 5, Jackson 6.
Orlando wants a SF (any of those 3) so I wonder if Vlade has the guts to draft say Jackson at 5 and let Fox dangle and trade with where he falls. That's the only way I see us coming away with both PG & SF.

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rpa · Post #2103 » by **rpa** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:52 pm

Eleqtrique wrote:Question, Kings fans. Who would you want at #10? Zach Collins?

Depends on who's available. If any of the top 9 (Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, Fox, Isaac, Monk, DSJ, Ntilikina) fall I'd take them. If they're all off the board I'd go one of Mitchell, Collins, or Markannen. Gun to my head I'd probably take Markkanen. I'm becoming more convinced that a good number of his deficiencies can be fixed by planting his ass in the weight room.

SacKingZZZ · Post #2104 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:55 pm

Eleqtrique wrote:Question, Kings fans. Who would you want at #10? Zach Collins?

I'd rather him than John Collins. The reports of the Kings interest in him has me a bit concerned.

SacKingZZZ · Post #2105 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:02 pm

rpa wrote:
Eleqtrique wrote:Question, Kings fans. Who would you want at #10? Zach Collins?

Depends on who's available. If any of the top 9 (Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, Fox, Isaac, Monk, DSJ, Ntilikina) fall I'd take them. If they're all off the board I'd go one of Mitchell, Collins, or Markannen. Gun to my head I'd probably take Markkanen. I'm becoming more convinced that a good number of his deficiencies can be fixed by planting his ass in the weight room.

My biggest concern with Markkanen is a physical one that can't be fixed. He has short legs. He can't take very long strides and that will effect him on the break. That might not hurt much in the end considering he'll probably trail on the break, but he's a little awkward and doesn't have much of a stride so it has to be taken into consideration. I'd still take him over Collins or anyone expected to be available at 10 if he fell and the Kings were lucky enough to land Fox at 5. He's got unusual potential off the dribble as a pull up player.

Post #2106 » by **City of Trees** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:02 pm

Kings should draft BPA at 10. Probably between one of Collins, Markkanen, or Mitchell.

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209Kings · Post #2107 » by **209Kings** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:06 pm

City of Trees wrote:Kings should draft BPA at 10. Probably between one of Collins, Markkanen, or Mitchell.

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Of those 3, i'd rather have Markkanen. He is both the best of the 3 as well as the highest upside of the 3.

rpa · Post #2108 » by **rpa** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:11 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:My biggest concern with Markkanen is a physical one that can't be fixed. He has short legs. He can't take very long strides and that will effect him on the break. That might not hurt much in the end considering he'll probably trail on the break, but he's a little awkward and doesn't have much of a stride so it has to be taken into consideration. I'd still take him over Collins or anyone expected to be available at 10 if he fell and the Kings were lucky enough to land Fox at 5. He's got unusual potential off the dribble as a pull up player.

Yeah, the more I watch tape of him the more obvious it becomes that he's not the "stand around and wait for someone to collapse" type of stretch big. Chunks of his game are very active--even if he was a wing player. The ability to utilize him off of off-ball screens is a really neat wrinkle to add to an offense.

Post #2109 » by **City of Trees** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:30 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:
rpa wrote:
Eleqtrique wrote:Question, Kings fans. Who would you want at #10? Zach Collins?

Depends on who's available. If any of the top 9 (Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, Fox, Isaac, Monk, DSJ, Ntilikina) fall I'd take them. If they're all off the board I'd go one of Mitchell, Collins, or Markannen. Gun to my head I'd probably take Markkanen. I'm becoming more convinced that a good number of his deficiencies can be fixed by planting his ass in the weight room.

My biggest concern with Markkanen is a physical one that can't be fixed. He has short legs. He can't take very long strides and that will effect him on the break. That might not hurt much in the end considering he'll probably trail on the break, but he's a little awkward and doesn't have much of a stride so it has to be taken into consideration. I'd still take him over Collins or anyone expected to be available at 10 if he fell and the Kings were lucky enough to land Fox at 5. He's got unusual potential off the dribble as a pull up player.

I could be wrong but shorter legs would give him a lower center of gravity than most 7 footers. Could be an advantage on the wing.

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SacKingZZZ · Post #2110 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:39 pm

City of Trees wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:
rpa wrote:
Depends on who's available. If any of the top 9 (Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, Fox, Isaac, Monk, DSJ, Ntilikina) fall I'd take them. If they're all off the board I'd go one of Mitchell, Collins, or Markannen. Gun to my head I'd probably take Markkanen. I'm becoming more convinced that a good number of his deficiencies can be fixed by planting his ass in the weight room.

My biggest concern with Markkanen is a physical one that can't be fixed. He has short legs. He can't take very long strides and that will effect him on the break. That might not hurt much in the end considering he'll probably trail on the break, but he's a little awkward and doesn't have much of a stride so it has to be taken into consideration. I'd still take him over Collins or anyone expected to be available at 10 if he fell and the Kings were lucky enough to land Fox at 5. He's got unusual potential off the dribble as a pull up player.

I could be wrong but shorter legs would give him a lower center of gravity than most 7 footers. Could be an advantage on the wing.

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Yeah, the shorter legs could be a positive with his post defense and in strength in time, however, he's more of an off the dribble player right now and I've seen some awkward moments where he gets knocked off balance and his legs kind of fly out from under him. Having a good center of balance is more important I think and his is a little off from what I can tell. Shorter legs also means a more narrow base so he will take up less horizontal space on the floor.

bleeds_purple · Post #2111 » by **bleeds_purple** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:41 pm

Nine player draft. Got to hope someone screws up in the top 9 and doesn't take one of those guys. If not, trade down. I dunno why we'd draft BPA if that player is a PF or C. Just seems like a waste.

Those positions are steadily becoming the RB of the NFL. No need to waste money or picks on them unless they really blow you away as a talent. Centers get dangled and traded for peanuts at every opportunity. When's the last time you saw an above average SF get traded?

jeffjtk1234 · Post #2112 » by **jeffjtk1234** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:50 pm

It seems logical monk drops to 10. Fox and Monk would be a coup. If you take fox at 5 and DSJ is there at 10 you have to take him right?

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SacKingZZZ · Post #2113 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:01 pm

I don't think so. I think you could use him to move down maybe. This idea that you can take 2 players at the same spot, who don't really compliment one another, and expect then to succeed is the story that's played out in Philly the last few years. How'd did that work out for their crop of high potential centers? Perry sounds like he's trumpeting building a team. That's the one thing missing from this organization for the last decade or more.

RIPskaterdude · Post #2114 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:16 pm

Monk makes no sense. I'd trade down to a team that would pay a nice ransom to get him.

SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #2115 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:23 pm

We are not in a position to nice out on top talent. Take BPA. Work it out.

sacking123 · Post #2116 » by **sacking123** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:27 pm

RIPskaterdude wrote:Monk makes no sense. I'd trade down to a team that would pay a nice ransom to get him.

Yeah, I think you still take him and then flip him for other assets.

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rpa · Post #2117 » by **rpa** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:28 pm

RIPskaterdude wrote:Monk makes no sense. I'd trade down to a team that would pay a nice ransom to get him.

I disagree. Monk has enough skill that he could be your backup scoring PG in a similar role to Bobby Jackson.

Sacramento_King · Post #2118 » by **Sacramento_King** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:20 am

I think Zach Collins is best out of that group of three. He's going to be a good pro. He also is a big body who can step outside giving us a traditional big in Papa, a rim runner in WCS and then a cpl of the hybrid type bigs who can step outside and shoot but can also go inside with Skal and Collins.

I think if he makes it to ten, we will probably have a ton of offers to move up.

Post #2119 » by **City of Trees** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:38 am

I have to think Boston lands Porzingis now. Phil is really gonna trade him away for blowing off the exit interview.

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sacking123 · Post #2120 » by **sacking123** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:16 am

City of Trees wrote:I have to think Boston lands Porzingis now. Phil is really gonna trade him away for blowing off the exit interview.

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What do you expect them to offer?
If Jackson lasts to 5 we can go him and WCS.
I know they can go more than that, but we can absorb Noah.

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