Kings Trade Thread

[dckingsfan]

Kind of looks a bit like this now... and as you say - I think we will get a bunch of improvement out of Fox, Bogdan, Bagley & Giles. And we have any amazing amount of cap space to work with. But it is still going to be tough.

Fox/Ferrell
Buddy/Bogdan
Hole
Bagley/Giles/Bjelica/Swanigan
Hole

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Player            Age   2019-20        2020-21      2021-22
Marvin Bagley      20   $8,556,120    $8,963,640    $11,312,114
Bogdan Bogdanovic  26   $8,529,386       
Nemanja Bjelica    30   $6,825,000    $7,150,000    
De'Aaron Fox       21   $6,392,760    $8,099,627    
Buddy Hield        26   $4,861,208       
Yogi Ferrell       25   $3,150,000       
Harry Giles        20   $2,578,800    $3,976,510    
Matt Barnes        39   $2,133,541 (last year paying him off)   
Caleb Swanigan     21   $2,033,160    $3,665,787    
                       $45,059,975‬   $31,855,564    $11,312,114

[blind prophet]

WCS wants out of Sac

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article231871293.html

Seeking a fresh start: Agent says Willie Cauley-Stein doesn’t want to be a King anymore

Per Anderson.

[benchmobbin02]

WCS wants out of Sac

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article231871293.html

Seeking a fresh start: Agent says Willie Cauley-Stein doesn’t want to be a King anymore

Per Anderson.

Just read the same and of course it's not a surprise. I really hope he gets a shot somewhere else. I think he could be effective as the first big off a teams bench. But most likely he'll go to a team in need of a discount starting center and disappoint them too.

[BoogieTime]

He’s going to be in for a rude, rude awakening. He’s of course not good, but he still thinks of himself highly (slightly grating to hear his agents excuses why he hasn’t been given the “opportunity” to not suck here)

No one is giving him more than a modicum of money, like a 2/10 team option 2nd year.

But interestingly, on twitter he came out with a questionable tweet the same afternoon the Horford stuff came to light (coincidence?)

He probably knows he’s not in the Kings plans as a starter already, and it’s easier to get offers without being restricted. Fortunately I’m almost sure we will oblige

[bleeds_purple]

All he has to do is actually give a **** and he could be an above average starter. I hope he leaves and figures it out. He needs a change of scenery and we need something different from C anyway.

[GimmeDat]

I'm interested to know your thoughts on WCS - sounds like you guys are pretty low on him. Did he live up to hopes on defense? I didn't watch Kings games but just looking at his 'stocks', 0.8 blocks per 36 is an alarmingly low number for a guy that was billed as a rim protector, and it's less than half the rate of his rookie season. Seems like he has good hands for steals though for a big, good number there. Was he an underwhelming defender overall?

Other than that, he seemed like an efficient scorer who flashed some new areas of his game this season, though I'm not sure you really want him doing any of those expanded offensive things on a good team. Looks like he was a solid passer though, that's handy.

I guess my main question is, do you not like him because of the archetype of a limited interior/rim runner big, or was he just not that good?

I'm looking at our Daniel Gafford pick, and I think he compares to WCS in some respects - he's a great athlete who is not just an impressive vertical athlete, but a fluid/mobile athlete for his size with good hands on defense. He has tried to expand his game but ultimately you just want him finishing at the rim I think. I'm just wondering how valuable his archetype of player is these days.

[Call Me Geoff]

I'm interested to know your thoughts on WCS - sounds like you guys are pretty low on him. Did he live up to hopes on defense? I didn't watch Kings games but just looking at his 'stocks', 0.8 blocks per 36 is an alarmingly low number for a guy that was billed as a rim protector, and it's less than half the rate of his rookie season. Seems like he has good hands for steals though for a big, good number there. Was he an underwhelming defender overall?

Other than that, he seemed like an efficient scorer who flashed some new areas of his game this season, though I'm not sure you really want him doing any of those expanded offensive things on a good team. Looks like he was a solid passer though, that's handy.

I guess my main question is, do you not like him because of the archetype of a limited interior/rim runner big, or was he just not that good?

I'm looking at our Daniel Gafford pick, and I think he compares to WCS in some respects - he's a great athlete who is not just an impressive vertical athlete, but a fluid/mobile athlete for his size with good hands on defense. He has tried to expand his game but ultimately you just want him finishing at the rim I think. I'm just wondering how valuable his archetype of player is these days.

I’ll say this about Willie. He’s a unicorn type of talent. A 7 footer that moves like a guard. He’s not a good rim protector, not a good rebounder and hasn’t been able to develop any sort of consistent offensive game. He is a great rim runner and he does flash enormous talent every 5th game or so. All I can say about Willie is, if you want to get paid you have to put the work in. He has a lot of other interests that don’t make basketball his 1st love. I don’t see him developing much more than what he is. A change of scenery would probably be best.

[blind prophet]

To add to Geoff, he also is questionable fit with Bagley for spacing. That's a big deal.

[Call Me Geoff]

To add to Geoff, he also is questionable fit with Bagley for spacing. That's a big deal.

That to. Just speaking to WCS as an individual. I don’t see him as much more than a quality rotational big off the bench.

[Kings2016]

I hope the Kings are for real this offseason cause the cap space is there to make a significant change ... Vucevic, Harris and Middleton are improvements that could get you to the playoffs for sure maybe further depending on how good Bagley is.... btw everyone thinks Harris is a power forward he is more of a small forward in a power forwards body.. he can play the SF with Bagley at the PF .. they have enough cap space if they leave the Harrison Barnes thing alone to get both Vucevic at around 4 years 164 million and also Harris 4 years 164 max contracts that would improve your team and make you a contender in the west( PG Fox, SG Heild, SF Harris, PF Bagley C Vucevic) .. its not time to sit and wait until next year .. they have a great opportunity now and they need to do whatever they can to get it done .. Cauley Stein you let go or offer the qualifying offer just to make sure you can get something in return for him in a sign and trade.

[codydaze]

I hope the Kings are for real this offseason cause the cap space is there to make a significant change ... Vucevic, Harris and Middleton are improvements that could get you to the playoffs for sure maybe further depending on how good Bagley is.... btw everyone thinks Harris is a power forward he is more of a small forward in a power forwards body.. he can play the SF with Bagley at the PF .. they have enough cap space if they leave the Harrison Barnes thing alone to get both Vucevic at around 4 years 164 million and also Harris 4 years 164 max contracts that would improve your team and make you a contender in the west( PG Fox, SG Heild, SF Harris, PF Bagley C Vucevic) .. its not time to sit and wait until next year .. they have a great opportunity now and they need to do whatever they can to get it done .. Cauley Stein you let go or offer the qualifying offer just to make sure you can get something in return for him in a sign and trade.

Hey, welcome to the boards! Let’s try not to copy and paste the same response into multiple threads though let’s keep threads on topic and about the subject of the original post. Feel free to create your own thread if you have something you want to bring up for discussion that doesn’t already have one as well.

[SacKingZZZ]

To add to Geoff, he also is questionable fit with Bagley for spacing. That's a big deal.

If they know what they are doing the thought of bringing Willie back to pair with Bagley never even crossed their minds.

[KF10]

If the Kings renounce all of the FA cap holds/rights and waive all of the un-guaranteed contracts (Mason & Yogi), the Kings will have

~$62,604,234

(this is an incredible resource tool: http://www.shamsports.com/capulator)

of cap space to spend this summer.

But I think the Kings will re-sign Barnes to a $20-$22m annual contract for 3 or 4 years.

So that brings the cap space down to ~$41m.

With that money, let's imagine the Kings bring in Brook Lopez @ $14m, Terrence Ross @ $14m.

The Kings would have ~$12m in cap space left to fill out the bench. Sign Tyrus Jones @ $8m and use the remaining cap space on players that had the best showing on the SL team.

Fox/Tyrus
Buddy/Bogdan
Barnes/Ross
Bagley/Bjelica/Swanigan
Lopez/Giles

Not the most exciting summer window tbh.

[City of Trees]

I hope the Kings are for real this offseason cause the cap space is there to make a significant change ... Vucevic, Harris and Middleton are improvements that could get you to the playoffs for sure maybe further depending on how good Bagley is.... btw everyone thinks Harris is a power forward he is more of a small forward in a power forwards body.. he can play the SF with Bagley at the PF .. they have enough cap space if they leave the Harrison Barnes thing alone to get both Vucevic at around 4 years 164 million and also Harris 4 years 164 max contracts that would improve your team and make you a contender in the west( PG Fox, SG Heild, SF Harris, PF Bagley C Vucevic) .. its not time to sit and wait until next year .. they have a great opportunity now and they need to do whatever they can to get it done .. Cauley Stein you let go or offer the qualifying offer just to make sure you can get something in return for him in a sign and trade.

Kings2016, welcome to the Kings board!

[bleeds_purple]

If the Kings renounce all of the FA cap holds/rights and waive all of the un-guaranteed contracts (Mason & Yogi), the Kings will have

~$62,604,234

(this is an incredible resource tool: http://www.shamsports.com/capulator)

of cap space to spend this summer.

But I think the Kings will re-sign Barnes to a $20-$22m annual contract for 3 or 4 years.

So that brings the cap space down to ~$41m.

With that money, let's imagine the Kings bring in Brook Lopez @ $14m, Terrence Ross @ $14m.

The Kings would have ~$12m in cap space left to fill out the bench. Sign Tyrus Jones @ $8m and use the remaining cap space on players that had the best showing on the SL team.

Fox/Tyrus
Buddy/Bogdan
Barnes/Ross
Bagley/Bjelica/Swanigan
Lopez/Giles

Not the most exciting summer window tbh.

If we spend $22M on Ross and Jones that would be a pretty big blunder to me. For that money you could get a real difference maker like Beverly or Morris. Those guys are near-replacement level i.e. you can sign minimum guys and get 75-80% of what you would get from them. As we just saw in the finals, depth is overrated. You need 7 guys you can trust and you roll with that. Right now I would trust Fox/Buddy/Bagley/Barnes/Bogdan and maybe Giles. Ideally, I would sign a C, a guy to displace Bjelica from the rotation because he is just a huge liability on defense, and get a solid backup PG like Collison or Beverly.

In my ideal scenario it would be:

Dedmon (Lopez as a second choice),
Beverly (Collison and Rubio as alternative choices), and
Morris (not many great alternatives here since Thad Young can't shoot and Mirotic is a slightly better Bjelica so if you can't get him throw the money at Beverly/Rubio or go after Ariza).

Is $40M-ish feasible to make three of these signings?

[Kings2016]

I hope the Kings are for real this offseason cause the cap space is there to make a significant change ... Vucevic, Harris and Middleton are improvements that could get you to the playoffs for sure maybe further depending on how good Bagley is.... btw everyone thinks Harris is a power forward he is more of a small forward in a power forwards body.. he can play the SF with Bagley at the PF .. they have enough cap space if they leave the Harrison Barnes thing alone to get both Vucevic at around 4 years 164 million and also Harris 4 years 164 max contracts that would improve your team and make you a contender in the west( PG Fox, SG Heild, SF Harris, PF Bagley C Vucevic) .. its not time to sit and wait until next year .. they have a great opportunity now and they need to do whatever they can to get it done .. Cauley Stein you let go or offer the qualifying offer just to make sure you can get something in return for him in a sign and trade.

Kings2016, welcome to the Kings board!

Thanks City of Trees

[BoogieTime]

Capela may be available with the Rockets needing cap angling for Butler. Regardless of fit, I’d take him over Horford certainly. The young player with upside on timeline. We might need to take Gordon too

[SmellingColors]

I'm not sure what he would demand as far as pay, but what about signing Rubio as a backup PG? He's a defensive presence and would take some of the playmaking load off Bogi in the second unit. He's also 6'4" at the point which would be nice to add some size in contrast to Yogi and Frank. Plus his passing and having him off the bench would allow us to deploy him more situationally when his shooting would be too much of a liability.

[Kings2016]

Capela may be available with the Rockets needing cap angling for Butler. Regardless of fit, I’d take him over Horford certainly. The young player with upside on timeline. We might need to take Gordon too

I agree the Capela fit is far better than Horford especially at 33 years old. I think Gordon would be a upgrade over the Alex Burks thing we tried the second half of the season off the bench for sure.

[kalenclayton]

Capela may be available with the Rockets needing cap angling for Butler. Regardless of fit, I’d take him over Horford certainly. The young player with upside on timeline. We might need to take Gordon too

I agree the Capela fit is far better than Horford especially at 33 years old. I think Gordon would be a upgrade over the Alex Burks thing we tried the second half of the season off the bench for sure.

Taking on Gordon and Capela would push the team right into the playoffs. Gordon would be incredible for the team. He would have to be ok with a super 6th man role though. He’s such an underrated player.

I will disagree about Horford though. I think he would be a perfect fit, but the Kings will not be getting him because they won’t offer enough. They would likely offer something like $60 million / 2 years. That won’t get it done for him.