Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4

[OxAndFox]

Ham says it's a bidding war for #4. He thinks the asking price is #5, Bey, and a future pick for #4. Or #5, an extended Grant, future pick for #4.


He thinks the Kings will get exactly what they want from whichever team they deal with

That is good to hear.
I was thinking yesterday the Kings would have liked a Jaden Ivey is a sure superstar sources say marketing campaign to continue his momentum into the top three or increase the offers for #4.

[BoogieTime]

Dyson of course wants to be here as well, and if the team liked him would be a trade down candidate with the Pacers (and he would be there at 6 most likely , and the Pacers might like Ivey)

Fox
Davion/DDV
Dyson
Sabonis
Turner (extended)

If the team wasnt trading out of this range, which they might as a win now team

I need to find a place for Barnes

That is some terrible, terrible shooting. I like Dyson's game, but the shooting does worry me. His playmaking, size, length and defensive ability are incredibly intriguing though.
Not sure I want to do the Turner/Sabonis thing. Don't we already know it doesn't work? Mike Brown doesn't seem like a coach that will unlock it either.
Having said that, the Kings need talent overall, and Turner is just that and perhaps experience has taught them something?

I think it depended on the season, what the net rating was of those two man lineups when Turner and Sabonis were both on the court

In terms of drafting I come to Turner if they still wanted to draft in the tier, which is a big if

I think Detroit is in a strong position of just taking Murray and daring the Kings to take Ivey, though. And Turner is arguably a better player than Grant, who is sub efficient and a bit overrated defensively. I'm not seeing Bey. Again I think Detroit is in a good position if their fall back is Murray.

Brogdon's worth after his injuries and aging, and us having SG options, I don't know if he's a horse you'd bet on. Duarte hasn't shown to be a plus starting SG option yet either.

Then the Trailblazers who would be reluctant to move Lillard and Simons and what do they have?

I mean the fit with Sabonis and Turner has been known to be suspect, and I still don't see a better option in this tier but maybe other people do... Some still think we could get Bey I suppose. I guess some like Duarte, and hes probably gettable. Some still believe Brogdon has some in the tank though

If the Kings traded back with Indiana, they'd have to like Dyson Daniels or another prospect near as much as Murray, if they were drafting, which is two big ifs

[Gorilla Monsoon]

Any interest in RJ Barrett?

[jazanetti]

Any interest in RJ Barrett?

I'll give #4 for Barret easily. The question is what else Knicks want.

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[kalenclayton]

Any interest in RJ Barrett?

I'll give #4 for Barret easily. The question is what else Knicks want.

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I mean Sac wouldn’t give anything on top of 4, so that probably doesn’t matter.

[codydaze]

Ham says it's a bidding war for #4. He thinks the asking price is #5, Bey, and a future pick for #4. Or #5, an extended Grant, future pick for #4.


He thinks the Kings will get exactly what they want from whichever team they deal with

Would be incredible to get Bey and 5, I wouldn't even be greedy and ask for a future 1st too if we could get that return. At 5 do you take Keegan or maybe be a little more willing to take a gamble on Dyson Daniels? A lineup of Fox-Daniels-Bey-Barnes-Sabonis is pretty interesting with Davion off the bench.

[codydaze]

Do you have a reasonable counteroffer?

Hayes doesn't do it either. I would ask for Herb Jones and 8 but Pels probably pass on that.

I believe Pels would pass as well. Its possible that the Pels would trade Trey Murphy and 8 (although I wouldn't). Would you consider that?

I like Trey Murphy but I think I would pass on that, I think we'd be looking for a higher level prospect in return. The potential Detroit deal of Bey and 5 is more along the lines of what I'd hope for.

[City of Trees]

Ham says it's a bidding war for #4. He thinks the asking price is #5, Bey, and a future pick for #4. Or #5, an extended Grant, future pick for #4.


He thinks the Kings will get exactly what they want from whichever team they deal with

Would be incredible to get Bey and 5, I wouldn't even be greedy and ask for a future 1st too if we could get that return. At 5 do you take Keegan or maybe be a little more willing to take a gamble on Dyson Daniels? A lineup of Fox-Daniels-Bey-Barnes-Sabonis is pretty interesting with Davion off the bench.

Ham said at that point go all out and trade #5 to ATL for Collins/16

Turn #4 into Bey, Collins, #16. That's a great haul IMO

[Adg1987]

They should draft Ivey. Everyone trying to trade up for him for a reason. No one we have makes so we should not draft him

[aad]

Lol ain’t no way Detroit is trading Bey to move up one spot put that rumor to rest

[aad]

Also the pistons is high on Murray anyway so if Ivey is gone Detroit will just take Murray

[LightTheBeam]

Ham says it's a bidding war for #4. He thinks the asking price is #5, Bey, and a future pick for #4. Or #5, an extended Grant, future pick for #4.


He thinks the Kings will get exactly what they want from whichever team they deal with

Would be incredible to get Bey and 5, I wouldn't even be greedy and ask for a future 1st too if we could get that return. At 5 do you take Keegan or maybe be a little more willing to take a gamble on Dyson Daniels? A lineup of Fox-Daniels-Bey-Barnes-Sabonis is pretty interesting with Davion off the bench.

Ham said at that point go all out and trade #5 to ATL for Collins/16

Turn #4 into Bey, Collins, #16. That's a great haul IMO

What a rough defensive lineup that would be. Fox - Bey - Collins - Sabonis. Even if Davion Mitchell grows 6 inches and becomes Scottie Pippen prime defense that team would still be terrible on that side of the ball.

I guess the outlook for this team is grim defensively, so just commit to scoring 120 a game while giving up 118? Idk

[LightTheBeam]

They should draft Ivey. Everyone trying to trade up for him for a reason. No one we have makes so we should not draft him

I tend to agree with this. I like Mitchell, but I think hes a Patrick Bev kinda guy (with a little more mid-range off the bounce scoring potential). I don't see a starting 2g on this roster right now. Might as well take Ivey if hes really supposed to be this good and figure the rest out later. Maybe Fox or Mitchell gets traded, but I think there's plenty of minutes for all 3.

People hyper focused on us trading Hali because some supposed log jam. The fact is that the team just wasn't that talented outside of the backcourt and thats the cost for an all-star big like Sabonis. Plenty of minutes for 3 good guards.

[BoogieTime]

Also the pistons is high on Murray anyway so if Ivey is gone Detroit will just take Murray

I agree.

I don't agree with our beat writer Ham about the valuation. I think he eternally has a rosy outlook about the team

If its Detroit, and they are in a bind, I see Grant. But Murray is a very good option, even for a rebuilding team, to not force out any major assets for Ivey IMO

I think the best trade down in this tier is with Indiana, and we need to be ok with Daniels in that case or, maybe more likely, trading out all together for this win now team.

Still I think we can pick up assets from the Pacers.

[kb02]

Also the pistons is high on Murray anyway so if Ivey is gone Detroit will just take Murray

I agree.

I don't agree with our beat writer Ham about the valuation. I think he eternally has a rosy outlook about the team

If its Detroit, and they are in a bind, I see Grant. But Murray is a very good option, even for a rebuilding team, to not force out any major assets for Ivey IMO

I think the best trade down in this tier is with Indiana, and we need to be ok with Daniels in that case or, maybe more likely, trading out all together for this win now team.

Still I think we can pick up assets from the Pacers.

Ham swung from a softball throwing, non-independent reporter to a reporter, who is 100% independent of the Kings now. So his critique is harsher and more extreme then before.

[BoogieTime]

Also the pistons is high on Murray anyway so if Ivey is gone Detroit will just take Murray

I agree.

I don't agree with our beat writer Ham about the valuation. I think he eternally has a rosy outlook about the team

If its Detroit, and they are in a bind, I see Grant. But Murray is a very good option, even for a rebuilding team, to not force out any major assets for Ivey IMO

I think the best trade down in this tier is with Indiana, and we need to be ok with Daniels in that case or, maybe more likely, trading out all together for this win now team.

Still I think we can pick up assets from the Pacers.

Ham swung from a softball throwing, non-independent reporter to a reporter, who is 100% independent of the Kings now. So his critique is harsher and more extreme then before.

When?

He's always been a guy who overemphasized the Kings position, so much that I find him almost embarrassing on national appearances like RealGM radio or other teams podcasts

Watch on YouTube

;t=839s

Him at the 11 minute mark onward saying the Kings might have enough to move for Ben Simmons without Fox/Haliburton, while glowingly talking about Fox and Haliburton.

But how would he have any inside info?

If many of us like Murray and/or Daniels why would the Pistons be over a barrel? I feel we can get vet quality from the Pacers if this win now team isnt trading out and wants Daniels, because the Pacers are rebuilding though

[kb02]

I agree.

I don't agree with our beat writer Ham about the valuation. I think he eternally has a rosy outlook about the team

If its Detroit, and they are in a bind, I see Grant. But Murray is a very good option, even for a rebuilding team, to not force out any major assets for Ivey IMO

I think the best trade down in this tier is with Indiana, and we need to be ok with Daniels in that case or, maybe more likely, trading out all together for this win now team.

Still I think we can pick up assets from the Pacers.

Ham swung from a softball throwing, non-independent reporter to a reporter, who is 100% independent of the Kings now. So his critique is harsher and more extreme then before.

When?

He's always been a guy who overemphasized the Kings position, so much that I find him almost embarrassing on national appearances like RealGM radio or other teams podcasts

Watch on YouTube

;t=839s

Him at the 11 minute mark onward saying the Kings might have enough to move for Ben Simmons without Fox/Haliburton, while glowingly talking about Fox and Haliburton.

But how would he have any inside info?

If many of us like Murray and/or Daniels why would the Pistons be over a barrel? I feel we can get vet quality from the Pacers if this win now team isnt trading out and wants Daniels, because the Pacers are rebuilding though

While affiliated with CSN, Ham never broke any inside info and would only confirm FO strife after someone like Amick or Hayes dropped the news. Don’t bite the hand that feeds u. Now that he’s no longer affiliated, he’s more willing to critique. He wants Bey and Grant to move from 4 to 5 and wants John Collins to move from 5 to 16. And says the Kings need 4 new, above average rotation guys. While openly mocking how the Kings have shut out local media. The old Ham would’ve never set the bar that high for the FO by saying the front office needs to come out with 3 potential starters plus two firsts from this draft. I like this version of Ham much more.

[BoogieTime]

Ham swung from a softball throwing, non-independent reporter to a reporter, who is 100% independent of the Kings now. So his critique is harsher and more extreme then before.

When?

He's always been a guy who overemphasized the Kings position, so much that I find him almost embarrassing on national appearances like RealGM radio or other teams podcasts

Watch on YouTube

;t=839s

Him at the 11 minute mark onward saying the Kings might have enough to move for Ben Simmons without Fox/Haliburton, while glowingly talking about Fox and Haliburton.

But how would he have any inside info?

If many of us like Murray and/or Daniels why would the Pistons be over a barrel? I feel we can get vet quality from the Pacers if this win now team isnt trading out and wants Daniels, because the Pacers are rebuilding though

While affiliated with CSN, Ham never broke any inside info and would only confirm FO strife after someone like Amick or Hayes dropped the news. Don’t bite the hand that feeds u. Now that he’s no longer affiliated, he’s more willing to critique. He wants Bey and Grant to move from 4 to 5 and wants John Collins to move from 5 to 16. And says the Kings need 4 new, above average rotation guys. While openly mocking how the Kings have shut out local media. The old Ham would’ve never set the bar that high for the FO by saying the front office needs to come out with 3 potential starters plus two firsts from this draft. I like this version of Ham much more.

I at least agree with some of his strategy. I started wanting 3-4 win now players from this draft. As you go through the draft process there is a part of you that likes the kids in the draft range and wants that Cracker Jack toy upside, but being practical the team is in a win now throttle.

Its going to be amazing watching how Monte deals with this pick, you might see a trade down/out strategy that hasn't been seen in a while

[OxAndFox]

When?

He's always been a guy who overemphasized the Kings position, so much that I find him almost embarrassing on national appearances like RealGM radio or other teams podcasts

Watch on YouTube

;t=839s

Him at the 11 minute mark onward saying the Kings might have enough to move for Ben Simmons without Fox/Haliburton, while glowingly talking about Fox and Haliburton.

But how would he have any inside info?

If many of us like Murray and/or Daniels why would the Pistons be over a barrel? I feel we can get vet quality from the Pacers if this win now team isnt trading out and wants Daniels, because the Pacers are rebuilding though

While affiliated with CSN, Ham never broke any inside info and would only confirm FO strife after someone like Amick or Hayes dropped the news. Don’t bite the hand that feeds u. Now that he’s no longer affiliated, he’s more willing to critique. He wants Bey and Grant to move from 4 to 5 and wants John Collins to move from 5 to 16. And says the Kings need 4 new, above average rotation guys. While openly mocking how the Kings have shut out local media. The old Ham would’ve never set the bar that high for the FO by saying the front office needs to come out with 3 potential starters plus two firsts from this draft. I like this version of Ham much more.

I at least agree with some of his strategy. I started wanting 3-4 win now players from this draft. As you go through the draft process there is a part of you that likes the kids in the draft range and wants that Cracker Jack toy upside, but being practical the team is in a win now throttle.

Its going to be amazing watching how Monte deals with this pick, you might see a trade down/out strategy that hasn't been seen in a while

I agree somewhat and 100% on it's going to be amazing watching how Monte deals with the pick.
The problem the Kings face is they have their #2 (Fox) and #3 (Sabonis) in place in theory but need a #1.
Ivey is the only one in any of the discussions that could potentially be a franchise-changing talent.
Are Grant, Turner, Collins, Duarte, etc, etc really going to get them there? They will improve the team for sure. And the resulting additional pick will too. A #1 talent though will TAKE the Kings to the POs, whereas the Kings already have role players like Barnes/Davion/Holmes (whoever a trade is for too) to be the role players.
When I look around the top teams from let's say this year's POs, all the Kings are missing is the #1. That seems really obvious I know, but shouldn't a competent team be using not only the #4 pick whether drafted or not, as the crux to get a #1.
Take Boston for example. That #1 option is a HUGE gap to make up so I am not in any way saying the Kings are close to the Celtics, however, this is the last time Monte will have the opportunity to snatch a #1 option player so he either needs to get the assets to get one from the #4 or he needs to draft one.

Tatum - #1 option
Brown - Fox
Smart - Sabonis
RWIII - Barnes
Horford - Holmes
White - Davion
Grant Williams - DDV

As mentioned, I'm not suggesting the Kings are close to the Celtics. What is evident though, and we all know this, is the Kings lack that true top end talent.
If the Kings truly want to have this PO mandate and make it, then you allow Monte to push all chips in, a mix of #4/Barnes/Holmes/Holiday/23 1st unprotected/24 pick swap/25 first.
IMO Davis can push his way into a PO team rotation and using the MLE wisely on a true weakness, even if they're not the better player would be far better for the Kings.

Do it with the Warriors - The talent gap gets bigger, but we're talking about the Champs, not just a PO team.
Steph (not fair when looking at him as a generational talent I know) - #1 option
Wiggins - Fox
Klay - Sabonis
Dray - Barnes
Looney - Holmes
Poole - Davion
GPII - DDV
OPJ - Davis

[Bologna Smasher]

The way all this is playing out is basically what I predicted with Ivey. Had a feeling a number of teams would be trying to move up for him once the draft came around and more information came out. Unfortunately, a lot of the potential trades aren't too intriguing. Collins, Turner, Grant, Bey, etc. are good pieces, but I don't know if they're really needle movers on this team. The fits are also questionable without other key trades being made. If the rumors are true about OKC trying to trade down for Ivey, I would rather jump on that for Holmgren. If not, stand pat and take Ivey regardless of what he wants.