2024-25 General Thread

[LightTheBeam]

I'm over it.
I still don't think Fox is the problem. This team has a hard on for stacking with guards and not letting him be himself. But at this point I'm not sure who else we can trade. So if Fox can get us a forward that is a star, take it.

But in reality.
Trade for John Collins
Fire Mike Brown, promote interim Christie as a defensive guy.
Fire Monte, his inability to target any forwards makes him a liability. He doesn't have the eye. Time to go.

I think that we can win 50 without doing much. Just needs to be done soon.

[BoogieTime]

I'm over it.
I still don't think Fox is the problem. This team has a hard on for stacking with guards and not letting him be himself. But at this point I'm not sure who else we can trade. So if Fox can get us a forward that is a star, take it.

But in reality.
Trade for John Collins
Fire Mike Brown, promote interim Christie as a defensive guy.
Fire Monte, his inability to target any forwards makes him a liability. He doesn't have the eye. Time to go.

I think that we can win 50 without doing much. Just needs to be done soon.

I don't think he's the problem, just not any type of solution. Its been years, and I think we know his true self, a very talented guy when he's on his game that doesn't have the innate drive (if people don't like motor) to consistently elevate a team or play at a high level, which is really something I can't blame him for. I'd applaud him if he came back to Golden 1. I think Brown was able to motivate him in his first season, but now he's out of matches to light his fire. The relationship at this point reminds of the Boogie situation. And I was on Boogie's side, like some are on Fox's, but the end result is lack of scoreboard

I think his interview could've been a polite trade request, as it may not be in his nature to disrespect the city/fanbase or leave a bad relationship with them with an actual request.

I'd still move Keegan first if he still had value. But the tonic of the team is off. I'm willing to discuss Brown at this point, as this article brings to surface some good stuff https://kingsherald.com/articles/sacramento-kings-record-stats-head-coach-rumors/ , but I think trades will be made before he is gone. Though the roster on paper is not performing for him up to expectations

[LightTheBeam]

I'm over it.
I still don't think Fox is the problem. This team has a hard on for stacking with guards and not letting him be himself. But at this point I'm not sure who else we can trade. So if Fox can get us a forward that is a star, take it.

But in reality.
Trade for John Collins
Fire Mike Brown, promote interim Christie as a defensive guy.
Fire Monte, his inability to target any forwards makes him a liability. He doesn't have the eye. Time to go.

I think that we can win 50 without doing much. Just needs to be done soon.

I don't think he's the problem, just not any type of solution. Its been years, and I think we know his true self, a very talented guy when he's on his game that doesn't have the innate drive (if people don't like motor) to consistently elevate a team or play at a high level, which is really something I can't blame him for. I'd applaud him if he came back to Golden 1. I think Brown was able to motivate him in his first season, but now he's out of matches to light his fire. The relationship at this point reminds of the Boogie situation. And I was on Boogie's side, like some are on Fox's, but the end result is lack of scoreboard

I think his interview could've been a polite trade request, as it may not be in his nature to disrespect the city/fanbase or leave a bad relationship with them with an actual request.

I'd still move Keegan first if he still had value. But the tonic of the team is off. I'm willing to discuss Brown at this point, as this article brings to surface some good stuff https://kingsherald.com/articles/sacramento-kings-record-stats-head-coach-rumors/ , but I think trades will be made before he is gone. Though the roster on paper is not performing for him up to expectations

Year 1 was such a different team to be honest. Barnes wasn't cooked yet.
Keegan - 41% from 3
Huerter - 40% from 3
Barnes - 38%
Lyles - 36%
Monk - 36%

You can't ask Fox to be Fox when his shooters aren't hitting.

Look at any other guard like him that is successful. You build with defense, shooting, and large forwards/wings. Memphis did a good job of this. ATL is starting to get better now that they've added Dyson, Jalen Johnson, Risacher. Brunson was surrounded by Bridges, OG, Hart, Towns.

Before trading Fox, I'd love a new coach and some size. Huerter + Lyles for John Collins at least provides the semblance of a team. And TBH I'd shift Derozan or Monk back to the bench. Ideally we loop in a 3rd team to take Devin for another bench forward. But finding a cheap bench forward thats available for a guard is damn near impossible.

Fox - DeRozan - Murray - Collins - Sabonis
Monk - Keon - Isaac Jones

[FarBeyondDriven]

I'm over it.
I still don't think Fox is the problem. This team has a hard on for stacking with guards and not letting him be himself. But at this point I'm not sure who else we can trade. So if Fox can get us a forward that is a star, take it.

But in reality.
Trade for John Collins
Fire Mike Brown, promote interim Christie as a defensive guy.
Fire Monte, his inability to target any forwards makes him a liability. He doesn't have the eye. Time to go.

I think that we can win 50 without doing much. Just needs to be done soon.

I don't think he's the problem, just not any type of solution. Its been years, and I think we know his true self, a very talented guy when he's on his game that doesn't have the innate drive (if people don't like motor) to consistently elevate a team or play at a high level, which is really something I can't blame him for. I'd applaud him if he came back to Golden 1. I think Brown was able to motivate him in his first season, but now he's out of matches to light his fire. The relationship at this point reminds of the Boogie situation. And I was on Boogie's side, like some are on Fox's, but the end result is lack of scoreboard

I think his interview could've been a polite trade request, as it may not be in his nature to disrespect the city/fanbase or leave a bad relationship with them with an actual request.

I'd still move Keegan first if he still had value. But the tonic of the team is off. I'm willing to discuss Brown at this point, as this article brings to surface some good stuff https://kingsherald.com/articles/sacramento-kings-record-stats-head-coach-rumors/ , but I think trades will be made before he is gone. Though the roster on paper is not performing for him up to expectations

Year 1 was such a different team to be honest. Barnes wasn't cooked yet.
Keegan - 41% from 3
Huerter - 40% from 3
Barnes - 38%
Lyles - 36%
Monk - 36%

You can't ask Fox to be Fox when his shooters aren't hitting.

Look at any other guard like him that is successful. You build with defense, shooting, and large forwards/wings. Memphis did a good job of this. ATL is starting to get better now that they've added Dyson, Jalen Johnson, Risacher. Brunson was surrounded by Bridges, OG, Hart, Towns.

Before trading Fox, I'd love a new coach and some size. Huerter + Lyles for John Collins at least provides the semblance of a team. And TBH I'd shift Derozan or Monk back to the bench. Ideally we loop in a 3rd team to take Devin for another bench forward. But finding a cheap bench forward thats available for a guard is damn near impossible.

Fox - DeRozan - Murray - Collins - Sabonis
Monk - Keon - Isaac Jones

why would the Jazz do that trade?

[LightTheBeam]

I don't think he's the problem, just not any type of solution. Its been years, and I think we know his true self, a very talented guy when he's on his game that doesn't have the innate drive (if people don't like motor) to consistently elevate a team or play at a high level, which is really something I can't blame him for. I'd applaud him if he came back to Golden 1. I think Brown was able to motivate him in his first season, but now he's out of matches to light his fire. The relationship at this point reminds of the Boogie situation. And I was on Boogie's side, like some are on Fox's, but the end result is lack of scoreboard

I think his interview could've been a polite trade request, as it may not be in his nature to disrespect the city/fanbase or leave a bad relationship with them with an actual request.

I'd still move Keegan first if he still had value. But the tonic of the team is off. I'm willing to discuss Brown at this point, as this article brings to surface some good stuff https://kingsherald.com/articles/sacramento-kings-record-stats-head-coach-rumors/ , but I think trades will be made before he is gone. Though the roster on paper is not performing for him up to expectations

Year 1 was such a different team to be honest. Barnes wasn't cooked yet.
Keegan - 41% from 3
Huerter - 40% from 3
Barnes - 38%
Lyles - 36%
Monk - 36%

You can't ask Fox to be Fox when his shooters aren't hitting.

Look at any other guard like him that is successful. You build with defense, shooting, and large forwards/wings. Memphis did a good job of this. ATL is starting to get better now that they've added Dyson, Jalen Johnson, Risacher. Brunson was surrounded by Bridges, OG, Hart, Towns.

Before trading Fox, I'd love a new coach and some size. Huerter + Lyles for John Collins at least provides the semblance of a team. And TBH I'd shift Derozan or Monk back to the bench. Ideally we loop in a 3rd team to take Devin for another bench forward. But finding a cheap bench forward thats available for a guard is damn near impossible.

Fox - DeRozan - Murray - Collins - Sabonis
Monk - Keon - Isaac Jones

why would the Jazz do that trade?

Because the Jazz are 7-20 and going no where. We of course have to throw in a handful of 2nds. But the concept here is we save the Jazz near 10 million next year, and give them 2-3 2nds. Then they can flip Lyles elsewhere for more 2nds. I'm sure the Spurs would probably take him for a 2nd, they need a forward who can stretch next to Wemby off the bench.

[OxAndFox]

I think if you're going to trade Fox and if the Magic are the front runners I would be looking at Fox/Huerter/Lyles for Isaac/Carter Jnr/Da Silva/Black. Not putting up who trades what picks etc (haven't even done the math on the trade) as you can speculate on what, but that would be the players targeted. There are others of course, but get some length and defense in and that squad makes a run to end the year IMO. Da Silva and Black are going to be very good players IMO and Isaac/Carter Jr fill needs.

Give Keegan more responsibility on the offensive end and allow him to blossom into the two way guy he could become.
Put DDR to the bench and let him feast from there. Anyway, pie in the sky stuff I know, and giving up Fox is going to hurt, but I don't see Monte doing the right thing in a Fox trade, which is to tear the entire thing down and get rid of everyone.

Monk/Black/McLaughlin
Keon/DDR/Carter
Keegan/Da Silva
Carter Jr/Jones
Sabonis/Isaac

[LightTheBeam]

This game summarizes our season. Throw in the damn towel. Fire Mike Brown. Trade Fox so I can see him play for a competent team. This season is over.

[BoogieTime]

A variety of bad is happening at the same time..

Keegan being a bust, when he was the pivot player of this generation
Fox not making a difference
Demar not making as big of an impact as I would like
Huerter sucks
And yes, Brown, one of the good things I thought we had going, is now in serious question and might be gone

I can't be concerned over the loss, as it will lead to change.

I think it has to start with clearing the air with Fox
Than Brown if that doesn't work
Than the team

But I'm glad we are past discussing moving first round picks for role players for this current core.

Get Keegan out of here for value with Fox if you can

[jeffjtk1234]

Fox with probably the worst defensive possession of the season with the game on the line. What a joke from a “Max” player.


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[Silver Man]

Fox with probably the worst defensive possession of the season with the game on the line. What a joke from a “Max” player.


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Pretty inexcusable on a couple parts.

-Not fouling before a wide open Ivey can get the ball in the corner

-Fox on every front that play standing there when ball is in the air and then a disaster close out.

[LightTheBeam]

Someone on Reddit posted that on the radio this morning DLO said that Sabonis is having issues with Mike Brown. I can't wait for the anti-fox /pro sabonis kings crowd to finally turn on Brown.

[BoogieTime]

Someone on Reddit posted that on the radio this morning DLO said that Sabonis is having issues with Mike Brown. I can't wait for the anti-fox /pro sabonis kings crowd to finally turn on Brown.

There shouldn't be a "pro Sabonis" kings crowd, as it should be all Kings fans, as the clear best player who busts tail every night, but I'm waiting for the anti-Brown crowd to admit Fox has been, as nature, inconsistent again, and Keegan a bust.

Brown's making double digit million a year. There never was a question about him extending, the team was always going to do it, goofy Vivek was just looking to save money, and you can see by the General NBA thread on the subject what the unbiased observer thinks of Brown's firing.

I have mixed feelings on it, he's a good coach that had some questionable tactics this year, but it seems the anti-Brown crowd uses him as a crutch to excuse their favorite players, in particular. His most vocal critics in fact are most protective of certain players it appears

He might be at fault for some things, but the players certainly are as well

[OxAndFox]

Someone on Reddit posted that on the radio this morning DLO said that Sabonis is having issues with Mike Brown. I can't wait for the anti-fox /pro sabonis kings crowd to finally turn on Brown.

There shouldn't be a "pro Sabonis" kings crowd, as it should be all Kings fans, as the clear best player who busts tail every night, but I'm waiting for the anti-Brown crowd to admit Fox has been, as nature, inconsistent again, and Keegan a bust.

Brown's making double digit million a year. There never was a question about him extending, the team was always going to do it, goofy Vivek was just looking to save money, and you can see by the General NBA thread on the subject what the unbiased observer thinks of Brown's firing.

I have mixed feelings on it, he's a good coach that had some questionable tactics this year, but it seems the anti-Brown crowd uses him as a crutch to excuse their favorite players, in particular. His most vocal critics in fact are most protective of certain players it appears

He might be at fault for some things, but the players certainly are as well

I don't think that's fair at all.
Let's get the elephant out of the room right away. You're saying Fox. And you start off by suggesting there shouldn't be a "pro Sabonis" kings crowd. I agree, and I don't see it in this forum (Fox or Sabonis crowd) but its been clear you're the president of the Sabonis club and have been digging to create that divide for a long time now. We see you.

You're mixed feelings about Brown are telling you that he is a questionable coach that is great at getting feeling in the locker room to start with. Then it tails off because of his questionable tactics. That's the hallmark of a below average coach. Great to start, but he's just not it. I was with him the first 1.5 years. Then I started looking deeper, and it's not good. Why didn't he cut Fox's shots back to what they were the first year despite the team having more offensive options? His failure to develop Keegan as a 2 way player just because he has shown to be a good defender is a fireable offense alone and it took Sabonis to demand more of the ball to get this team going in the first place. All of the good ideas seem to have come from Triano and Jordi. Good that he listened to Sabonis, but boy oh boy, what a disaster. He had Malik Monk for 173 games and still didn't know what to do with him, couldn't figure out which back up 5 to play until it always went to Len, refuses to play the best back up PG the team has had in like forever and his "defensive" scheme gives up the most wide open 3s in the competition over the last few seasons. But he was great at bringing the franchise together at the start, so there's that.

Your last comment is spot on. Actually everyone in the franchise is to blame for what has gone wrong this season. This is pro sports though and it's on the coach first. Maybe we don't like that, but that's just the way it is.
This is a very poorly constructed roster that has Domantas Sabonis, Keegan Murray, Kevin Huerter and Trey Lyles as the only playable guys over 6'6 on the roster and Kevin is barely over that. I kid you not I wouldn't be surprised to see him trade Lyles for a 6'5 SG.
I dare anyone to even try and construct a roster like that after more than 4 years in the job. That still doesn't excuse Brown for his incompetence.
Monte shouldn't be on the hot seat, he should be fired too, but he has bought himself another year it would seem. All he needs to do is not trade Fox and go into the off season and find a coach, then the ownership group has to give that squad some time before firing him, but if you ask me, it's time for him to go too. Don't let him trade future firsts now, get him out and go looking for a GM right now. Just my opinion.

To be clear, I'm not excusing the players. They've been horrid for the most part and if it were me yes I would make some trades pending on what is out there, but I would actually sacrifice talent for length/depth on this squad.

[OxAndFox]

Ok. Speaking of elephants in the room. Few questions.

Is Doug Christie simply a Vivek plant?
If so, how much did Doug's voice have in the decision to fire Brown?

This is on the back of Grant's rant. It does seem strange that Doug was placed on Mike's staff and I realise he is guessing that he would be on the next coaches staff, but if he is then that is clear he is a plant right?

[BoogieTime]

Just to recap where I stand overall though, I'm against the firing of Brown.

Overall I thought he was an asset to the organization.

I would've started replacing players, starting with Fox, as I feel his inconsistent personality rubs off on the culture of the team. I would've rode with Brown for a rebuilding of the team, hopefully with Sabonis in tow

I also feel we didn't go that route because Vivek sticks his nose where it doesn't belong, and didn't want to take any immediate steps back on the court or is a personal fan of Fox.

Thats my overall opinion, so we will see.

The angel on my shoulder that wants to try to see the positive in the situation wants to believe the players actually didn't want to play/quit on Brown, and we will not see any negative ramifications. But I expect to see a team play harder for maybe 4-5 games with new coach feel, and then revert back to the same mess, only with a lesser qualified coach.

We will see

[OxAndFox]

Just to recap where I stand overall though, I'm against the firing of Brown.

Overall I thought he was an asset to the organization.

I would've started replacing players, starting with Fox, as I feel his inconsistent personality rubs off on the culture of the team. I would've rode with Brown for a rebuilding of the team, hopefully with Sabonis in tow

I also feel we didn't go that route because Vivek sticks his nose where it doesn't belong, and didn't want to take any immediate steps back on the court or is a personal fan of Fox.

Thats my overall opinion, so we will see.

The angel on my shoulder that wants to try to see the positive in the situation wants to believe the players actually didn't want to play/quit on Brown, and we will not see any negative ramifications. But I expect to see a team play harder for maybe 4-5 games with new coach feel, and then revert back to the same mess, only with a lesser qualified coach.

We will see

I think this might be right on the money TBH.

I feel any time Monte comes out and says, this was 100% my decision, you know it came from Vivek.
Maybe Vivek has his yes man in Monte taking charge of the FO and now he has his yes man in Doug on the sidelines?

Or could it be that Mike was putting growing pressure on Monte and going to ownership about roster construction and Monte knew something had to be done.

[codydaze]

Devin Carter balled out in his G League debut.

Read on Twitter

[BoogieTime]

Devin Carter balled out in his G League debut.

Read on Twitter

I was about to post it.

I've been here for him, I think he will clean up some of Keegans disappointment.

[OxAndFox]

Devin Carter balled out in his G League debut.

Read on Twitter

What a waste. Should have been playing in the Detroit game and tonight.

[OxAndFox]

I don't see a trade solving this teams problems at all. I know no one is expecting it to just magically turn the season around with 1 trade, but I hope the FO is looking at FAs with length that could come in and help.

I'm not sure on these guys' health, but don't worry about age, it's just to come in, smash some people on the defensive end and give some interior/wing help.
Cut McDermott. Cut Robinson. Sign 2 of these guys.

Marcus Morris.
Yuta Watanabe.
Wenyen Gabriel.
Gulp...Metu.
Omer Yurtseven.

Any others?