xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:If we could trade down and get a player like Chalmers, then get an extra pick/player out of it, I would be very happy with our draft. If we reach at 12 and pick Hibbert/Chalmers...
But yeah, that would be so disappointing. I would probably be upset if that would to happened.Look for the Kings to draft D-League combo guard Mike Taylor with the 42nd or 43rd pick in the draft tomorrow night, if he’s still on the board at that point. Geoff Petrie has always been a fan of having a combo guard he can throw in off the bench—he hasn’t really had a quality scoring option in that mold since Bobby Jackson. Sacramento’s experiments with Ronnie Price and most recently Quincy Douby haven’t worked out thus far.
As far as the first round is concerned—now that Indiana has landed T.J. Ford and are likely no longer in the running for a point guard with the #11 pick (Darrell Arthur and Kosta Koufos look like solid candidates), it looks very likely that the Kings could luck out and land D.J. Augustin with the 12th overall pick. The Kings would consider themselves very fortunate to land a player of Augustin’s caliber this far down in the draft.
mprose wrote:And that leaves me with the conclusion that DMC is the Sarah Palin of the NBA.
Lightning Strike wrote:Don't mention the possibility. This isn't something to even legitmently worry about. Petrie isn't a fool, if he's going to take Hibbert he'll trade down. No one will take Hibbert away in the top 15 but us.
If we pick Hibbert without trading down, I will eat my kings basketball with steak sause.
xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:Lightning Strike wrote:Don't mention the possibility. This isn't something to even legitmently worry about. Petrie isn't a fool, if he's going to take Hibbert he'll trade down. No one will take Hibbert away in the top 15 but us.
If we pick Hibbert without trading down, I will eat my kings basketball with steak sause.
What a waste of A1 sauce
mprose wrote:And that leaves me with the conclusion that DMC is the Sarah Palin of the NBA.
SKZZZ wrote:I should kind of make a correction on my own opinion. If we do draft Augustin and Taylor, I wouldn't totally mind seeing either of Bill Walker or Davon Jefferson drafted if available. I think Davon in particular has the potential to be one of the better players in the entire draft if he works towards it.
Ballings7 wrote:mitch wrote:I guess the bottom line is that you simply are almost never going to find the perfect player at the perfect spot in the draft that both fills your needs and is the most talented player. It just doesn't happen that way.
Okay, and that's not what is at discussion here at all. I've already said that finding the perfect fit is too much to expect.
Generally, you have to measure a player as a whole when you''re going to be fitting and evaluating him onto your team. If he doesn't quite relate to that with your core/top players, and possibly the team system, philsophy (which we don't have definition there yet), then he's only going to be around for the short-term. Thus why Gallinari, isn't a fit, but a value piece, because he's not going to slot in solidly next to Kevin. Somebody who would fall under fitting will come around, because the type of player that's required, has a diverse pool cycle of players (versatile defensive/two-way/defensive-shooting-offensive deference wing-players).mitch wrote:So let's say that Geoff sees Arthur as nothing more than a future role player and he sees Gallinari as a future star (not saying I see things that way, but just for the sake of argument). If Arthur turns out to just be a so-so player (regardless of how well he fits, because fit doesn't matter if you don't have the talent), then he's not ultimately helping us toward a title anyway. If you have two star wings though, and you can trade one of them for somebody better than Arthur (or whoever, really), then you've put yourself in a better position. That's why rebuilding with trades works better than rebuilding with the draft--or I guess, why they work hand-in-hand
I agree here, because value is involved. Gallinari would have more value to teams than Arthur because of his offensive talent (I'd actually value Arthur more over Gallinari). Player vs. player, value aside, I think Arthur's the better prospect overall, and the better fit, which is what I was talking about in this part in the previous post. I wasn't under the impression that value was involved.mitch wrote:The bottom line is that needs are important and nice, but they can be filled later--but you're never going to trade a nice role player for a star. Not to mention that Kevin has the potential to improve drastically as a perimeter defender.
I agree you're not going to be able to trade a nice role-player for a star, I haven't referenced to going against that.
Kevin does have that potential to improve as a defender, [bindividually[/b] - but the thing is he's just not going to be counted on, nor have the right kind of size body-wise that's needed, and consistent mind-set, to be our stopper on the wings. Because of his offensive responsibility, what he's going to have to do defensively, is pick his spots when to commit on defense, at times for short, at times longer, and the rest of the time just be adequate so he isn't losing focus and responsibility for his part in playing defense.
Which is why, the other big wing has to be the guy who's going to typically take the responsibiliy of slowing down and making it tough on the other team's best wing-scorer. Now at certain times, Kevin can and will do that, but that's it. Like he has against Ray Allen (a couple times) and Steve Nash in the past. But the majority of the time, the SF will have to do that.
Gallinari won't be that guy, he's just not going to be enough of an individual defender - which is why he wouldn't be a long-term piece on this team if we drafted him. Because if he is, who's going to be the guy who has the ability and consistent mind-set, to take on the aformentioned task over the course of games? Nobody on this team, but somebody else who will have to come in eventually.
VeeJay24 wrote:I understand what you're saying Mitch but it is obvious that this team could've used an extra 1st rd. pick yet we let the Bobcats and Blazers grab them before we did. The Blazers just gave up cash for crying out loud.
Ballings, I don't think Geoff needs to be too concern about finding a SF to match with Kevin more than a PG. And I think that is really his #1 focus. I don't think he is sold on Udrih and knows there is some potential at PG. He will try to grab one at all cost, if not he will get the big man.
All this talk about defense and how Kevin and this guy can't do this on the perimeter. It is a bunch of crap. Was Allen or Pierce known as good defenders before this year? No! Not until Garnett arrived and wouldn't in the NBA on the perimeter one on one, it's practically impossible. You stop people as a team. Tsettle for less on the defensive end did they step up their game on that end. And you never stop anyone hat means coaching and leadership.
I hope Geoff would never pass on the BPA because he might not match up with someone on the team especially the guys on this team. I mean I can see that if you're Lebron, Kobe, Wade, etc., but no one on this team warrants that consideration. Sacrifices have to be made regardless, if 3 stars in Boston can do it, then I hope a rook and a 5th year up and coming SG can do the same.
That said I don't want Gallinari either........
I wish would be Eric Gordon & one of either Jason Thompson, Javale McGee, or DeAndre Jordan. Of course Geoff would have to acquire another 1st rd pick.
mitchweber wrote:VeeJay24 wrote:I understand what you're saying Mitch but it is obvious that this team could've used an extra 1st rd. pick yet we let the Bobcats and Blazers grab them before we did. The Blazers just gave up cash for crying out loud.
Ballings, I don't think Geoff needs to be too concern about finding a SF to match with Kevin more than a PG. And I think that is really his #1 focus. I don't think he is sold on Udrih and knows there is some potential at PG. He will try to grab one at all cost, if not he will get the big man.
All this talk about defense and how Kevin and this guy can't do this on the perimeter. It is a bunch of crap. Was Allen or Pierce known as good defenders before this year? No! Not until Garnett arrived and wouldn't in the NBA on the perimeter one on one, it's practically impossible. You stop people as a team. Tsettle for less on the defensive end did they step up their game on that end. And you never stop anyone hat means coaching and leadership.
I hope Geoff would never pass on the BPA because he might not match up with someone on the team especially the guys on this team. I mean I can see that if you're Lebron, Kobe, Wade, etc., but no one on this team warrants that consideration. Sacrifices have to be made regardless, if 3 stars in Boston can do it, then I hope a rook and a 5th year up and coming SG can do the same.
That said I don't want Gallinari either........
I wish would be Eric Gordon & one of either Jason Thompson, Javale McGee, or DeAndre Jordan. Of course Geoff would have to acquire another 1st rd pick.
You have to look at both of those deals realistically.
The Denver deal: It's not like that really helps either team more than the other. Charlotte fans probably love that deal now, but they could end up getting the worse end of it down the road.
The Portland deal: I think it should be noted that buying a pick isn't as simple as it sounds. With the initial $3million a team has to pay and then the rookie contract on top of that, it basically ends up being like a $5-$8million investment. You don't do that unless you feel you have a good shot at landing a productive player--or unless you're Portland and your owner is literally one of the richest people on the planet. The Maloofs are rich, but IIRC, I don't think they're even billionaires. $5-$8million isn't "nothing" to them the same way it is to Paul Allen.
mitch wrote:But that's missing my point--everybody right now is a value piece. When you don't have a clear-cut franchise player, your roster is never set until you are legitimately contending.
mitch wrote:But my issue is that if somebody is not the perfect fit, then it's just not that important to draft them just because they're a better fit. You think that Orlando would trade Hedo for Haslem just because they have a need for a guy like Haslem? Of course not. No sane person would. If that is essentially how Geoff views Arthur and Gallinari, I would sure hope that he would pick Gallinari.
mitch wrote:Now of course I'm saying "if" because I really don't know at all that he sees them that way. I don't see Arthur in that way, but I also know that Geoff is a much, much more qualified judge of talent than anybody here. That's why I will trust him with any decision he makes, regardless of how it appears to fit with our franchise.
UKF wrote:chriswebb86 wrote:I really hope Alexander drops to us. I am pretty high on him. However, I wouldnt mind Eric Gordan, DJ, and some others if they are there too. Also, I would love to get a late first or the blazers first 2nd round pick to get Ryan Anderson. I think the kid could be a special player. On the offensive end he can score with some of the best out there. On the defensive side, he has somethings to work on but with his height he could really become a good defensive player.
Alexander will most likely go to Milwaukee, but I would love to have him as well.
There is no way Eric Gordon gets by the Clippers from what I heard.
mitchweber wrote:The Portland deal: I think it should be noted that buying a pick isn't as simple as it sounds. With the initial $3million a team has to pay and then the rookie contract on top of that, it basically ends up being like a $5-$8million investment. You don't do that unless you feel you have a good shot at landing a productive player--or unless you're Portland and your owner is literally one of the richest people on the planet. The Maloofs are rich, but IIRC, I don't think they're even billionaires. $5-$8million isn't "nothing" to them the same way it is to Paul Allen.
