Draft Watch 2018

[jeffjtk1234]

I don't think you can say that. He's had only a few shots and I think the eventual usage of the talent is the problem. Last year alone we saw at least two times where it looked like Skal could be on his way to a 30-40 point game only to end up sitting for no reason. That's not Vlade. I like the Fox pick and I'm excited to see where it goes, and you can always monday morning QB drafts but even the Papa G draft wasn't that big of a bust. They missed out on mostly garbage. I still think Skal could end up the fourth or fifth best player in that draft.

This will be Vlade's 4th draft. Here's who he's drafted:
2015: WCS
2016: Papagiannis, Richardson, Skal, Cousins
2017: Fox, Jackson, Giles, Mason

He's had 7 first round picks in the last 3 drafts and he's had to de facto CUT more (2) than have made an all rookie team.

People love to talk about last year's draft, but Fox was one of the worst players in the league when you look at team impact (503rd out of 521 in RPM; 516 out of 521 in WAR). Justin Jackson was an utterly useless pick and it was clear at the time that he's a guy who does nothing well. Giles? Well, the fact that the Kings are taking another big man (the 5th in 4 years) while having absolutely no real SFs on the roster should tell you all you need to know about their REAL feelings about him.

Here's my point: Vlade's had a ton of opportunity and has yet to draft even a GOOD player. Not a superstar, not a star. Just a GOOD player. That's it.

Not sure this is a fair criticism. What has the coaching staff done to develop these players? Willis has been used horribly, never playing as the only big on the floor. Richardson never got any playing time to show anything. Skal is a 5, he’s stuck again playing next to a traditional big.

Fox and mason are both going to be here a long time, Giles is an unknown, and Jackson looks like a backup 3.

Honestly the failures lately have been as much on the coaching staff as Vlade possible moreso


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[sdballer]

I love the idea of having Bagley and Giles dominate the front court. Big and athletic enough to make teams pay for switching. Also quick and agile enough to switch themselves. Hopefully both rebound at an elite rate on both ends.

That hasn't been a successful model in the league in years, especially with at least one of those players very poor defenders

[SacKingZZZ]

I don't think you can say that. He's had only a few shots and I think the eventual usage of the talent is the problem. Last year alone we saw at least two times where it looked like Skal could be on his way to a 30-40 point game only to end up sitting for no reason. That's not Vlade. I like the Fox pick and I'm excited to see where it goes, and you can always monday morning QB drafts but even the Papa G draft wasn't that big of a bust. They missed out on mostly garbage. I still think Skal could end up the fourth or fifth best player in that draft.

This will be Vlade's 4th draft. Here's who he's drafted:
2015: WCS
2016: Papagiannis, Richardson, Skal, Cousins
2017: Fox, Jackson, Giles, Mason

He's had 7 first round picks in the last 3 drafts and he's had to de facto CUT more (2) than have made an all rookie team.

People love to talk about last year's draft, but Fox was one of the worst players in the league when you look at team impact (503rd out of 521 in RPM; 516 out of 521 in WAR). Justin Jackson was an utterly useless pick and it was clear at the time that he's a guy who does nothing well. Giles? Well, the fact that the Kings are taking another big man (the 5th in 4 years) while having absolutely no real SFs on the roster should tell you all you need to know about their REAL feelings about him.

Here's my point: Vlade's had a ton of opportunity and has yet to draft even a GOOD player. Not a superstar, not a star. Just a GOOD player. That's it.

Who were the alternatives though. Yeah you can say Mitchell, but honestly he'd be stuffed in behind the other guards on the team just like the rest if playing under Joerger. That's still one guy. OG Anunoby would have been a better pick to me, but still nothing major yet. I liked Justise Winslow over Willie but neither has lit up the league. I still see an issue with none of these players having a chance to really break out. They may end up failing when given the chance but geez, both Buddy and Skal had their balls snipped more than a few times by the coach last year. Fox was horrifyingly misused as well. If they were given a real chance and blew it then I'd be with you but they haven't even gotten the chance which is annoying.

[SacKingZZZ]

So quick question for everybody, would you rather have
Luka or Bagley+Hezonja because that pretty much what it's coming down to in my mind

Luka and look to spend future FA money on a big. I think bigs can be had more than good wings on the free agency market.

[Homerclease]

Congratulations on Bagley, IMO the safest pick in the entire draft. Kid is a stud and a lock barring injury to be an all star for years to come.

Elite athlete + elite motor + elite work ethic = star

[nolimit0820]

The model that hasn't worked is slow footed bigs who predominantly play with their back to the basket...cant switch defensively and can't shoot, pass, or dribble. Far from the model I'm referring to.

[SacKingZZZ]

I don't think you can say that. He's had only a few shots and I think the eventual usage of the talent is the problem. Last year alone we saw at least two times where it looked like Skal could be on his way to a 30-40 point game only to end up sitting for no reason. That's not Vlade. I like the Fox pick and I'm excited to see where it goes, and you can always monday morning QB drafts but even the Papa G draft wasn't that big of a bust. They missed out on mostly garbage. I still think Skal could end up the fourth or fifth best player in that draft.

This will be Vlade's 4th draft. Here's who he's drafted:
2015: WCS
2016: Papagiannis, Richardson, Skal, Cousins
2017: Fox, Jackson, Giles, Mason

He's had 7 first round picks in the last 3 drafts and he's had to de facto CUT more (2) than have made an all rookie team.

People love to talk about last year's draft, but Fox was one of the worst players in the league when you look at team impact (503rd out of 521 in RPM; 516 out of 521 in WAR). Justin Jackson was an utterly useless pick and it was clear at the time that he's a guy who does nothing well. Giles? Well, the fact that the Kings are taking another big man (the 5th in 4 years) while having absolutely no real SFs on the roster should tell you all you need to know about their REAL feelings about him.

Here's my point: Vlade's had a ton of opportunity and has yet to draft even a GOOD player. Not a superstar, not a star. Just a GOOD player. That's it.

Not sure this is a fair criticism. What has the coaching staff done to develop these players? Willis has been used horribly, never playing as the only big on the floor. Richardson never got any playing time to show anything. Skal is a 5, he’s stuck again playing next to a traditional big.

Fox and mason are both going to be here a long time, Giles is an unknown, and Jackson looks like a backup 3.

Honestly the failures lately have been as much on the coaching staff as Vlade possible moreso


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If there is a criticism of Vlade it's too much, too soon in the draft and then not putting his foot down and saying play the young guys sooner.

[Viper1500]

Bagley will be the best player in this draft.


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[tyguy]

Congratulations on Bagley, IMO the safest pick in the entire draft. Kid is a stud and a lock barring injury to be an all star for years to come.

Elite athlete + elite motor + elite work ethic = star

You need elite defense as a big to be a true star high impact guy. That isn't Bagley. This is such a #Kangz move.

[sdballer]

The model that hasn't worked is slow footed bigs who predominantly play with their back to the basket...cant switch defensively and can't shoot, pass, or dribble. Far from the model I'm referring to.

Giles is a complete unknown so we'll give him a pass on this. Bagley has suspect ball handling (especially with his right) and is an awful defender who doesn't really stretch the floor. So again, what teams are leveraging that kind of system?

[ChromeKid]

Don't sweat it guys doncic has weaknesses. He's not Jesus, remember the Celtics fans and Fultz...

[nolimit0820]

The future of the league isn't small ball its versatility. So hypothetically if you have two bigs who have the offensive and defensive versatility yet can play bully ball to expose teams' switching defense, there's a recipe to jump ahead of the small ball trend. In fact, I. would say small ball is just that, a trend. Versatility is the future. That's what the potential of a Bagley and Giles frontcourt brings. Versatility with the potential to expose the small ball trend and the defensive switching philosophy that dominates current nba philosophies. I'll include WCS in that too as an above poster mentioned, who can fit that mold.

And in defense of Bagley's defensive ability, I believe he can defend on an elite level where it matters most--the perimeter. His foot speed and work ethic are too elite to fail there.

[Homerclease]

Congratulations on Bagley, IMO the safest pick in the entire draft. Kid is a stud and a lock barring injury to be an all star for years to come.

Elite athlete + elite motor + elite work ethic = star

You need elite defense as a big to be a true star high impact guy. That isn't Bagley. This is such a #Kangz move.

That isn’t Doncic either though. Bagley has the physical tools to be a capable defender. Hell that was the knock on Tatum coming out of Duke and he was a quality NBA defender right out of the gate.

[nolimit0820]

The model that hasn't worked is slow footed bigs who predominantly play with their back to the basket...cant switch defensively and can't shoot, pass, or dribble. Far from the model I'm referring to.

Giles is a complete unknown so we'll give him a pass on this. Bagley has suspect ball handling (especially with his right) and is an awful defender who doesn't really stretch the floor. So again, what teams are leveraging that kind of system?

Bagley's ball handling is actually extremely efficient from certain spots on the floor. The question isn't can he become Draymond Green and play point forward, IMO. The question is more can he handle the ball in traffic and I believe he can. He can put the ball down in a crowd and that's what matters when teams are swarming and constantly switching. His shooting has potential to be solid. Again, this is all potential, but that's what the draft is.

[sdballer]

Congratulations on Bagley, IMO the safest pick in the entire draft. Kid is a stud and a lock barring injury to be an all star for years to come.

Elite athlete + elite motor + elite work ethic = star

You need elite defense as a big to be a true star high impact guy. That isn't Bagley. This is such a #Kangz move.

That isn’t Doncic either though. Bagley has the physical tools to be a capable defender. Hell that was the knock on Tatum coming out of Duke and he was a quality NBA defender right out of the gate.

Bagley doesn't get steals. Doesn't get blocks. Doesn't have exceptional wingspan. Doesn't react well defensively. All the tools.

[nolimit0820]

You need elite defense as a big to be a true star high impact guy. That isn't Bagley. This is such a #Kangz move.

That isn’t Doncic either though. Bagley has the physical tools to be a capable defender. Hell that was the knock on Tatum coming out of Duke and he was a quality NBA defender right out of the gate.

Bagley doesn't get steals. Doesn't get blocks. Doesn't have exceptional wingspan. Doesn't react well defensively. All the tools.

Again, that's looking at one year of a young players' college career and writing him off. I love how sometimes people (not you) but generally will say a person's stats don't matter and then when they want to make their argument pinpoint stats as the reason why a player won't be successful.

Bagley has elite athleticism and foot speed so I believe that coupled with his work ethic will bode well for him. And let's not forget rebounding IS a massive part of a defensive possession. He carried the offensive load for his team, which does play a role in defensive performance ESPECIALLY for a young player. With experience and NBA coaching...he will defend and do it at a high level.

[City of Trees]

Willie needs to be traded today. There is no way we resign him and he loses value after today.

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[Castor_Troy]

I guess maybe I'll blame the internet for all the Luka love/Bagley hate.
Ahhh if only we lived in simpler times where video's and information wasn't so readily available. Predrag who? A Euro, WTF! BOOOOOOOOO!

[Archx]

Oh well... If these multiple reports coming in stick.. Gz on Bagley Kings fans.

[LightTheBeam]

I've been a huge Bagley supporter all year. But really **** that piece of **** **** Joerger. Its all his fault. If we had a coach with half a brain who actually played a non archaic offensive system then the simple pick would be Doncic. But because this **** moron loves to play 2 big men and THE SLOWEST PACE IN THE LEAGUE he wants another big man.

#FIREJOERGER

I won't go to another Kings game until this piece of **** is begging for an assistant position on another team.