Draft Watch 2018

dozencousins · Post #2381 » by **dozencousins** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:09 pm

If the Kings are stupid enough to draft Bagley # 2 then instead if Minny wants to trade Kat we should trade the #2 overall in a deal for him !

Post #2382 » by **codydaze** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:12 pm

RipPizzaGuy wrote:I've been a huge Bagley supporter all year. But really **** that piece of **** **** Joerger. Its all his fault. If we had a coach with half a brain who actually played a non archaic offensive system then the simple pick would be Doncic. But because this **** moron loves to play 2 big men and THE SLOWEST PACE IN THE LEAGUE he wants another big man.

#FIREJOERGER

I won't go to another Kings game until this piece of **** is begging for an assistant position on another team.

VeganKingsFan · Post #2383 » by **VeganKingsFan** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:14 pm

RipPizzaGuy wrote:I've been a huge Bagley supporter all year. But really **** that piece of **** **** Joerger. Its all his fault. If we had a coach with half a brain who actually played a non archaic offensive system then the simple pick would be Doncic. But because this **** moron loves to play 2 big men and THE SLOWEST PACE IN THE LEAGUE he wants another big man.

#FIREJOERGER

I won't go to another Kings game until this piece of **** is begging for an assistant position on another team.

Bagley isn't my pick either, but you definitely can't legitimately say that Bagley will make the team slow. He runs the court better than almost anybody and attacks fast. He's ideal for a fast paced team.

nolimit0820 · Post #2384 » by **nolimit0820** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:15 pm

RipPizzaGuy wrote:I've been a huge Bagley supporter all year. But really **** that piece of **** **** Joerger. Its all his fault. If we had a coach with half a brain who actually played a non archaic offensive system then the simple pick would be Doncic. But because this **** moron loves to play 2 big men and THE SLOWEST PACE IN THE LEAGUE he wants another big man.

#FIREJOERGER

I won't go to another Kings game until this piece of **** is begging for an assistant position on another team.

Hey you're calling it for what it is. I respect it. I differ in that organizational stability at this point is still an important phase of our rebuild so I am in no way on the fire DJ team. I wouldn't put this all on DJ either. Let's think about the paradigm that Vlade is operating out of as well...C Webb and Vlade operating out of the high post.

Overall, the organizational health and the culture are most important in this rebuild, which is a complete 180 from years past. Vlade and DJ get the credit for that.

LightTheBeam · Post #2385 » by **LightTheBeam** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:17 pm

VeganKingsFan wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:I've been a huge Bagley supporter all year. But really **** that piece of **** **** Joerger. Its all his fault. If we had a coach with half a brain who actually played a non archaic offensive system then the simple pick would be Doncic. But because this **** moron loves to play 2 big men and THE SLOWEST PACE IN THE LEAGUE he wants another big man.

#FIREJOERGER

I won't go to another Kings game until this piece of **** is begging for an assistant position on another team.

Bagley isn't my pick either, but you definitely can't legitimately say that Bagley will make the team slow. He runs the court better than almost anybody and attacks fast. He's ideal for a fast paced team.

So is Fox/Hield/Bogdan... That didn't stop our moronic coach from running one of the slowest paces, and shooting the least 3s. Hes a joke, the faster we fire Joerger, the faster we can get back to becoming a real team.

I'll happily take George Karl back over this clown. There's a reason so many teams want to trade up for Doncic and we continue to be the laughing stock of the NBA. Today reinforced that.

LightTheBeam · Post #2386 » by **LightTheBeam** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:22 pm

My only hope right now is that they are leaking Bagley and we are going with Doncic.

1. Kings fans will go from depressed to happy in an instant.
2. Vlade/Vivek will prove that leaks dont happen from our front office.
3. They laugh at Woj whose consistently hated the Kings.

rpa · Post #2387 » by **rpa** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:24 pm

RipPizzaGuy wrote:My only hope right now is that they are leaking Bagley and we are going with Doncic.

1. Kings fans will go from depressed to happy in an instant.
2. Vlade/Vivek will prove that leaks dont happen from our front office.
3. They laugh at Woj whose consistently hated the Kings.

And then we wake up, realize we're still Kings fans, and immediately know our front office **** it up.

Post #2388 » by **KF10** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:24 pm

So what can we make the last 3-4 weeks of information if Bagley was the pick?

The Kings have some of the biggest loose lips in the NBA. This has been horribly telegraphed that a toddler can decipher.

I’m still holding out hope that Doncic is the pick and Vlade is a genius with all of the misdirection but I highly doubt it.

nolimit0820 · Post #2389 » by **nolimit0820** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:28 pm

I don't think it speaks ill of our organization. I think it was pretty obvious for two reasons, they worked out a consensus top 3 pick in Bagley and visited the other in Doncic. Not much leaking IMO. And when its all said, does it really matter that others can decipher? We have the second pick. Unless we're looking to trade down, who cares if the media can figure it out. It won't influence the Suns.

SacKingZZZ · Post #2390 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:29 pm

nolimit0820 wrote:The future of the league isn't small ball its versatility. So hypothetically if you have two bigs who have the offensive and defensive versatility yet can play bully ball to expose teams' switching defense, there's a recipe to jump ahead of the small ball trend. In fact, I. would say small ball is just that, a trend. Versatility is the future. That's what the potential of a Bagley and Giles frontcourt brings. Versatility with the potential to expose the small ball trend and the defensive switching philosophy that dominates current nba philosophies. I'll include WCS in that too as an above poster mentioned, who can fit that mold.

And in defense of Bagley's defensive ability, I believe he can defend on an elite level where it matters most--the perimeter. His foot speed and work ethic are too elite to fail there.

I agree and it's a different and perhaps more unique path forward. It's also the exploitation of pick and roll that's changed the league since the Nash Suns broke everything. Bigs that can't guard it and teams that can't run it haven't sniffed anything close to real contention lately and with the rules as they are defensively that most likely won't change anytime soon. The difference between those Suns teams and the teams now however is that the better shot is usually taken from the guard controlling it rather than finding a big at the rim.

SacKingZZZ · Post #2391 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:32 pm

sdballer wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
tyguy wrote:You need elite defense as a big to be a true star high impact guy. That isn't Bagley. This is such a #Kangz move.

That isn’t Doncic either though. Bagley has the physical tools to be a capable defender. Hell that was the knock on Tatum coming out of Duke and he was a quality NBA defender right out of the gate.

Bagley doesn't get steals. Doesn't get blocks. Doesn't have exceptional wingspan. Doesn't react well defensively. All the tools.

Bagley looks to have long arms. I think his wingspan is under reported as well. All the stats I've seen seem to be going back to his measurements at a relatively young age. He's a bit like the other Kings bigs where they have long arms but if they lose any reach it's because of their narrow frame.

SacKingZZZ · Post #2392 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:34 pm

RipPizzaGuy wrote:I've been a huge Bagley supporter all year. But really **** that piece of **** **** Joerger. Its all his fault. If we had a coach with half a brain who actually played a non archaic offensive system then the simple pick would be Doncic. But because this **** moron loves to play 2 big men and THE SLOWEST PACE IN THE LEAGUE he wants another big man.

#FIREJOERGER

I won't go to another Kings game until this piece of **** is begging for an assistant position on another team.

All I can say is at least the team could possibly make some sense now. I think it hinges on his use of Buddy because I don't care what goes down today or not, Buddy can be a star if they stop snipping the dude. Him playing off of either Doncic or Bagley is easy.

bleeds_purple · Post #2393 » by **bleeds_purple** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:35 pm

If we really take Bagley (god please no) the front office better at least have the common sense to trade down and select him. I've seen him low as #8 on various draft boards.

Post #2394 » by **City of Trees** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:35 pm

The future:

Fox
Bogi
Buddy
Bagley
Giles

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Post #2395 » by **KF10** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:36 pm

nolimit0820 wrote:I don't think it speaks ill of our organization. I think it was pretty obvious for two reasons, they worked out a consensus top 3 pick in Bagley and visited the other in Doncic. Not much leaking IMO. And when its all said, does it really matter that others can decipher? We have the second pick. Unless we're looking to trade down, who cares if the media can figure it out. It won't influence the Suns.

It matters because the Kings lose leverage and value of the draft pick if they were to trade it. It’s easy for other teams to negotiate against Vlade if the opposing side have information.

It’s like whenever the Kings open their mouths, it is almost always lol worthy.

SacKingZZZ · Post #2396 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:36 pm

VeganKingsFan wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:I've been a huge Bagley supporter all year. But really **** that piece of **** **** Joerger. Its all his fault. If we had a coach with half a brain who actually played a non archaic offensive system then the simple pick would be Doncic. But because this **** moron loves to play 2 big men and THE SLOWEST PACE IN THE LEAGUE he wants another big man.

#FIREJOERGER

I won't go to another Kings game until this piece of **** is begging for an assistant position on another team.

Bagley isn't my pick either, but you definitely can't legitimately say that Bagley will make the team slow. He runs the court better than almost anybody and attacks fast. He's ideal for a fast paced team.

Totally. If you have Fox and Bagley and this team is still bottom rung in pace then hand me over a pitchfork and lets march.

SacKingZZZ · Post #2397 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:38 pm

bleeds_purple wrote:If we really take Bagley (god please no) the front office better at least have the common sense to trade down and select him. I've seen him low as #8 on various draft boards.

Bagley isn't a trade down guy. No way. I don't care if he busts, he could be the best overall player in the draft and that doesn't slip unless something came back in his medicals that scares teams.

rpa · Post #2398 » by **rpa** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:38 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:Bagley looks to have long arms. I think his wingspan is under reported as well. All the stats I've seen seem to be going back to his measurements at a relatively young age. He's a bit like the other Kings bigs where they have long arms but if they lose any reach it's because of their narrow frame.

And yet with those [looks be be] long arms he blocked roughly as many shots per game (0.9) at Duke as Giles did at Duke (0.7).

Did I mention Giles was coming off a blown out knee? Did I also mention that he played 1/3 the minutes that Bagley did?

Castor_Troy · Post #2399 » by **Castor_Troy** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:39 pm

RipPizzaGuy wrote:My only hope right now is that they are leaking Bagley and we are going with Doncic.

1. Kings fans will go from depressed to happy in an instant.
2. Vlade/Vivek will prove that leaks dont happen from our front office.
3. They laugh at Woj whose consistently hated the Kings.

Sorry but all your hopes and dreams are dead

LightTheBeam · Post #2400 » by **LightTheBeam** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:40 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:I've been a huge Bagley supporter all year. But really **** that piece of **** **** Joerger. Its all his fault. If we had a coach with half a brain who actually played a non archaic offensive system then the simple pick would be Doncic. But because this **** moron loves to play 2 big men and THE SLOWEST PACE IN THE LEAGUE he wants another big man.

#FIREJOERGER

I won't go to another Kings game until this piece of **** is begging for an assistant position on another team.

All I can say is at least the team could possibly make some sense now. I think it hinges on his use of Buddy because I don't care what goes down today or not, Buddy can be a star if they stop snipping the dude. Him playing off of either Doncic or Bagley is easy.

Like I keep saying, I don't hate Bagley at all.

Giles
Bagley
Bogdan
Hield
Fox

Actually looks really good. But I have no faith in this team with Joerger at the helm. Buddy was an absolute monster towards the end of the season and was my favorite player. But I think we will see Fox/Bogdan/Temple play together and then Mason/Hield/Shump playing together off the bench. We will draft Bagley, won't move WCS and then will lose him for free next summer. Not to mention we probably throw 15 mil per year at Mario Herzonja, the guys the Raptors chose the horse over.

Life of a Kings fan.