24-25 Trade Thread

[BoogieTime]

I haven't been watching anywhere near as much as usual, but the bolded is plain as day there for all to see. The coaching in this franchise is abysmal.

I fully expect Mike Brown to be fired by late February if the Kings aren't in the top 6. Triano can take over as interim and do a much better job IMO. Then put together a full scale external review of the entire basketball staff with a head coach search following. It won't happen though because in the NBA everyone is just trying like hell to cover their own butt and throw the next person under the bus.

As your doing Brown to some degree, this seems part of your "positivity" thing to not have anything to say about the players. Whats your opinion of Keegan/Lyles/Huerter's season to start off? Two can't make wide open shots, though they are paid for that, and one is a dead man walking

Teams are leaving Keegan alone at the three point line now

Keegan at this time being a bust is a big of a blow as anything else you can think of

He was the swing player for this generation

If you had him averaging a confident 18-20 and putting in work, this team is elevated. Him being what he is is franchise deflating and setting the franchise back several years

A lot of that hope for me has transferred to Carter, have to really hope he hits top side to mitigate some of Keegan's damage

[Jkam31]

As your doing Brown to some degree, this seems part of your "positivity" thing to not have anything to say about the players. Whats your opinion of Keegan/Lyles/Huerter's season to start off? Two can't make wide open shots, though they are paid for that, and one is a dead man walking

Teams are leaving Keegan alone at the three point line now

Keegan at this time being a bust is a big of a blow as anything else you can think of

He was the swing player for this generation

If you had him averaging a confident 18-20 and putting in work, this team is elevated. Him being what he is is franchise deflating and setting the franchise back several years

A lot of that hope for me has transferred to Carter, have to really hope he hits top side to mitigate some of Keegan's damage

Ya his development is stunning the outlook would be different if he was shooting 36% which isn’t asking for much.

I have zero expectations for Carter to be honest 6’3 guards don’t make a difference defensively outside of Jrue, White, and Smart. He can be a good player if his shot is real but one year of shooting is scary.

We need to get Cam Johnson! Big wing that’s an elite shooter, good defender, and scorer. He’s looking good playing in our system in Brooklyn he’s basically what we want from Keegan having both would be huge

[LightTheBeam]

Truthfully the biggest move that needs to be made at this point is firing Brown. The lack of defensive adjustment can't be overlooked. 3 years we've seen this, only difference was the first year we scored 120pts a game so we lived with it. Now we run an iso boring offense and sag off shooters in no mans land. what the hell happened?

Season isn't over but they need to add a forward quickly and Mike needs to shake up or ship out.

[Jkam31]

Hunter is having a hell of a year I would easily unprotected our pick and add more for him

[FarBeyondDriven]

Hunter is having a hell of a year I would easily unprotected our pick and add more for him

he's essentially in the same boat as Keegan as a player. Streaky shooter, overrated defense and can't do anything else. No bag, no play-making, no gravity. No thanks.

[BoogieTime]

Vivek won’t listen to me, as we are rumored to be scouring the trade market, but at this point id just make moves this summer and keep the pick

We keep it if we aren’t a playin team or does it go by record?

Aside from being in no man’s land of competing/rebuilding

On the other hand I’m not a big contend or nothing guy, so if you can stretch that swapped first with sa Antonio into a solid supporting cast or something maybe Id accept

[codydaze]

Mentally preparing myself for Keon to get shipped out of here in whatever package we put together. Seems like Mike Brown just doesn't like him or something. Team has been struggling from deep all year yet the 44% shooter from three gets DNPs. Part of so many of our top lineups (including the starting unit of Fox/Derzoan/Keegan/Sabonis) in terms of Net Rating and has great individual On-Off numbers but still picks up DNPs.

Something like Keon/Lyles for Beef Stew? Would really suck to get rid of the one gem we've actually developed into a rotational NBA player and locked up on a great deal but it seems to be going that way.

[Jkam31]

Mentally preparing myself for Keon to get shipped out of here in whatever package we put together. Seems like Mike Brown just doesn't like him or something. Team has been struggling from deep all year yet the 44% shooter from three gets DNPs. Part of so many of our top lineups (including the starting unit of Fox/Derzoan/Keegan/Sabonis) in terms of Net Rating and has great individual On-Off numbers but still picks up DNPs.

Something like Keon/Lyles for Beef Stew? Would really suck to get rid of the one gem we've actually developed into a rotational NBA player and locked up on a great deal but it seems to be going that way.

I’d take John Collins over beef stew with Jones ermerging we don’t need a true center we could use Collins scoring and rebounding.

I also think we need another big wing (been needed for 3 years now). DFS, Hunter, and Caleb Martin come to minf

[codydaze]

Mentally preparing myself for Keon to get shipped out of here in whatever package we put together. Seems like Mike Brown just doesn't like him or something. Team has been struggling from deep all year yet the 44% shooter from three gets DNPs. Part of so many of our top lineups (including the starting unit of Fox/Derzoan/Keegan/Sabonis) in terms of Net Rating and has great individual On-Off numbers but still picks up DNPs.

Something like Keon/Lyles for Beef Stew? Would really suck to get rid of the one gem we've actually developed into a rotational NBA player and locked up on a great deal but it seems to be going that way.

I’d take John Collins over beef stew with Jones ermerging we don’t need a true center we could use Collins scoring and rebounding.

I also think we need another big wing (been needed for 3 years now). DFS, Hunter, and Caleb Martin come to minf

John Collins has a much more expensive deal though so we would have to send Huerter out (which obviously I would prefer to Keon) so I was just thinking of guys Keon/Lyles could net money wise. I'd like DFS and Hunter too but they probably require a first going out to get something done.

[Jkam31]

Mentally preparing myself for Keon to get shipped out of here in whatever package we put together. Seems like Mike Brown just doesn't like him or something. Team has been struggling from deep all year yet the 44% shooter from three gets DNPs. Part of so many of our top lineups (including the starting unit of Fox/Derzoan/Keegan/Sabonis) in terms of Net Rating and has great individual On-Off numbers but still picks up DNPs.

Something like Keon/Lyles for Beef Stew? Would really suck to get rid of the one gem we've actually developed into a rotational NBA player and locked up on a great deal but it seems to be going that way.

I’d take John Collins over beef stew with Jones ermerging we don’t need a true center we could use Collins scoring and rebounding.

I also think we need another big wing (been needed for 3 years now). DFS, Hunter, and Caleb Martin come to minf

John Collins has a much more expensive deal though so we would have to send Huerter out (which obviously I would prefer to Keon) so I was just thinking of guys Keon/Lyles could net money wise. I'd like DFS and Hunter too but they probably require a first going out to get something done.

Collins contact would help in getting him cheaper probably just Lyle’s, Huerter, and a couple seconds. I wouldn’t give up a first for DFS at his age but for Hunter I easily would I think we could just take protections off this years pick we owe them (make it top 6 protected) and add Keon

[KF10]

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Herb Jones and Keegan on the perimeter would be amazing

[Butter]

Jerami Grant anyone?

[OGSactownballer]

I posted this response in the trade board a few minutes ago. It’s my feeling from day one with Brown and it has only been reinforced.

I’ll add that as far as Keegan goes I have said all along that he is NOT built to be a PF in the NBA. And I can see that the nightly beating he takes from bigger and taller PF’s shows in how his offense and shooting stroke have suffered. As well he has been tasked with defending the other teams best player every night (unless it’s a small guard or giant C) and has no real help because Brown keeps jerking Keon (our other top man defender) around in and out of the lineup erratically.

Anyway here’s my take on the situation. Any trade isn’t going to matter as long as Brown is still calling the shots.


JMAC3 wrote:
Are we sure the issue with the Kings just isn't coaching at this point? They have the 10th best net rating in the NBA and have a losing record. They seem like they have plenty of talent on paper, sure they can add more talent but they just added Derozan this summer.


I keep saying this over and over and I don’t understand why people are putting a blindfold on to Mike Brown’s repetitive coaching history.

Brown gets job with team that already has all pieces in place.

Brown looks good as team moves to playoffs level (46-50 win range) which btw is fully reachable o. Talent alone with an average coach letting guys fire away and play.

Browns teams level off or underachieve (see the LeBron Cavs team he had - can’t get a bigger star than LBJ in his prime) and calls for “moves” to make the team right.

Brown gets fired and does some time under a truly exceptional coach (Kerr) with a couple of stretches to look good but actually just manning the wheel with a superior (Dubs) team.

Brown is NOT that good of a coach. He has maneuvered into good situations to LOOK GOOD. But realistically he is not the guy to get you k to that true contention conversation.

Letting Jordy walk and re signing Brown may turn out to be the one huge mistake that happens during this incarnation of the team. The top players are obviously ignoring him and are happy to just be able to fire away and play however they want with no consequences. The younger guys trying to secure their spot and bag are just desperately doing anything to stay out of his weird and random doghouse- which I am absolutely certain involves kissing his @$$ and deferring to DeAaron and Malik more than anything else.

The development of our younger players has predominantly taken place in Stockton - not with the Varsity. Browns teams level has no part in that.

And to top it all off, admitting that the team had not had a SINGLE PRACTICE since the beginning of the year with a brand new key player and rotation changes that come with that? That’s pure incompetence on the part of the head coach right there and is grounds for firing by itself.

I think Brown got his last big bag and doesn’t care now because he gets paid one way or the other. He barely even raises up off the bench any more. It’s always the assistants who are up and talking to the refs, the team and all!

[Skybox]

Friendly visitor from ORL...

(I'll assume you don't want to discuss Fox ...I would very much like to...Isaac, Suggs, 2 frps...win/win, given rosters)

so...

ORL sends Jonathan Isaac, KCP to SAC for Malik Monk, Kevin Huerter (can't until January)

SAC needs size and defense...they get a lot of both. KCP/Fox is a great combo. So is Sabonis/Isaac. KCP is also big enough to move to and effectively defend 3's. KCP is a savage defender and a career 40% from 3 guy...if you believe he's just "forgotten how to shoot", given his early slump, I guess we have nothing to discuss). Isaac is likely on minutes restrictions forever, but he is a truly impactful defender, from perimeter to rim. ORL gives up a lot of defense for offense...strictly a fit trade.

IMO, KCP should have been SAC's offseason target and Monk should have been ORL's

[BoogieTime]

Friendly visitor from ORL...

(I'll assume you don't want to discuss Fox ...I would very much like to...Isaac, Suggs, 2 frps...win/win, given rosters)

so...

ORL sends Jonathan Isaac, KCP to SAC for Malik Monk, Kevin Huerter (can't until January)

SAC needs size and defense...they get a lot of both. KCP/Fox is a great combo. So is Sabonis/Isaac. KCP is also big enough to move to and effectively defend 3's. KCP is a savage defender and a career 40% from 3 guy...if you believe he's just "forgotten how to shoot", given his early slump, I guess we have nothing to discuss). Isaac is likely on minutes restrictions forever, but he is a truly impactful defender, from perimeter to rim. ORL gives up a lot of defense for offense...strictly a fit trade.

IMO, KCP should have been SAC's offseason target and Monk should have been ORL's

For me, Fox goes out before Malik

[LightTheBeam]

[Amick] League sources say Rich Paul was in Sacramento to meet with Monte McNair & Wes Wilcox before the game. While league sources say Fox has not asked for a trade, he & Paul are reading the room in Sac before deciding what comes next. Sources say the Spurs is positioning itself to pursue Fox

Rich Paul is a cancer to the league.

Castle, and picks, starting with our 2030 swap returned. And seeing that Spurs have cap space they wouldn't need to fully match. Keldon does it, or they have other avenues. I'd want to also ship Huerters ass out and get Collins back.

Castle is a big guard which is really what this team needs long term. Castle, Monk, Keon, Carter is a nice group of guards with some decent size. If we could get Vassell I'd be really happy, but I assume he wouldn't be on the table. I'd want to also ship

Monk/Carter
Castle/Keon
Keldon/
Keegan/Jones
Sabonis/Collins

Being a huge Fox fan, and someone who always rooted for the Spurs against the Lakers and loved Duncan. I guess there are worse places to see Fox flourish with Wemby and probably win a title or two.

[KF10]

[Amick] League sources say Rich Paul was in Sacramento to meet with Monte McNair & Wes Wilcox before the game. While league sources say Fox has not asked for a trade, he & Paul are reading the room in Sac before deciding what comes next. Sources say the Spurs is positioning itself to pursue Fox

Rich Paul is a cancer to the league.

Castle, and picks, starting with our 2030 swap returned. And seeing that Spurs have cap space they wouldn't need to fully match. Keldon does it, or they have other avenues. I'd want to also ship Huerters ass out and get Collins back.

Castle is a big guard which is really what this team needs long term. Castle, Monk, Keon, Carter is a nice group of guards with some decent size. If we could get Vassell I'd be really happy, but I assume he wouldn't be on the table. I'd want to also ship

Monk/Carter
Castle/Keon
Keldon/
Keegan/Jones
Sabonis/Collins

Being a huge Fox fan, and someone who always rooted for the Spurs against the Lakers and loved Duncan. I guess there are worse places to see Fox flourish with Wemby and probably win a title or two.

At this point, I’m fine at listening to trade offers for Fox (Spurs comes to mind) and potentially pulling the trigger.

I’m a big fan of Spurs assets for Fox.

[codydaze]

All I know is if you trade Fox, you might as well start the rebuild. Get as many picks as you can, move Sabonis for as many picks as you can right after cause without Fox this team will not be the same (for the worse).

[LightTheBeam]

[Amick] League sources say Rich Paul was in Sacramento to meet with Monte McNair & Wes Wilcox before the game. While league sources say Fox has not asked for a trade, he & Paul are reading the room in Sac before deciding what comes next. Sources say the Spurs is positioning itself to pursue Fox

Rich Paul is a cancer to the league.

Castle, and picks, starting with our 2030 swap returned. And seeing that Spurs have cap space they wouldn't need to fully match. Keldon does it, or they have other avenues. I'd want to also ship Huerters ass out and get Collins back.

Castle is a big guard which is really what this team needs long term. Castle, Monk, Keon, Carter is a nice group of guards with some decent size. If we could get Vassell I'd be really happy, but I assume he wouldn't be on the table. I'd want to also ship

Monk/Carter
Castle/Keon
Keldon/
Keegan/Jones
Sabonis/Collins

Being a huge Fox fan, and someone who always rooted for the Spurs against the Lakers and loved Duncan. I guess there are worse places to see Fox flourish with Wemby and probably win a title or two.

At this point, I’m fine at listening to trade offers for Fox (Spurs comes to mind) and potentially pulling the trigger.

I’m a big fan of Spurs assets for Fox.

Ya no disagreement. I really wish we could have built a real team around Fox/Monk/Sabonis. Similar to what Houston/Memphis/ATL have done. Tons of big wings who can shoot and defend. Sadly Monte vision didn't work that way.

If we could get Castle + one of Vassell/Sochan i'd leave feeling amazing.