NBA 2017 Draft thread. 5th pick and 10th pick.

[sacking123]

I think the draft was decent to pretty good. Fox was a no-brainer at 5. I think not taking ZCollins at 10 (and not trading for Drummond) was a sign that they want to give our bigs (Skal/WCS/PapaG) time to develop. That being said this is a huge year for WCS and if he doesn't develop they may look to draft his replacement next year (Bamba/Ayton/Williams). And logically, us taking Monk at 10 would have made coming over a little less desirable for Bogdan. I know Monk can play a little 1 and Bogdan can play a little 3 but he'd really be battling just to see the court. Now the backup 2-guard spot is his if he wants it (let Malachi develop in G-league)

Like most im not totally sold with the Jackson pick but time will tell. Was hoping for someone with a little more boom/bust upside but he can run and shoot so we'll see how it shakes out. I do like how active he is both offensively and defensively.

Between Fox, Jackson and WCS we have some guys that can really fly down the court.
Between Fox, Buddy, Jackson, Skal and WCS we may field at times the skinniest starting 5 in league history.

Mason pick i'm fine with at that spot. I see him spending the first half of the year in the G-league then being brought up at some point. The one thing we didn't get was a dirty work, rebounding big man.

It will be interesting to see how free agency shakes out. Where some people say go with a full youth movement and give all the young guys the bulk of the minutes i think you need vets setting the tone for the younger guys to learn winning habits from (both on and off the court). Collison or Lawson, a scoring wing, and a gritty rebounding big man should be priorities.

So you think 5 veteran players in the rotation is a good thing for a rebuilding team that could have 5 1st year players and 4 2nd year players.
Granted only 3 of the 1st year players should be in the rotation, but all 4 of the sophomore players should be in the rotation plus WCS.
I'm not saying going your route is wrong, far from it, I just think the days of sticking veterans in front of young players is gone, at least for the next couple of seasons


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[Sacramento_King]

BPA was Collins at that point. Monk was the more exciting pick but Zach is going to be a really good pro.

Disagree. The modern NBA puts great value on guards who can shoot (and score). Monk is absolutely elite at that. Collins has such a small sample size to be considered BPA there IMO.

What salary were you interested in taking on and to get what picks? Lots of trade talks in top 10 but not much action so I'm happy we didnt try and get more picks and then look to package.

Portland would have been the obvious target -- especially if we wanted to take a flier on a guy like Giles (still at 20).

IMO Collins was the better player. A defensive big who is quick, strong, and can shoot inside and out. Solid mechanics. Monk fits todays game but he is undersized and a bad defender.

So you would take on Turner for 20 and 26? I would rather have done the deal we did and leave us open to facilitating a different deal getting additional assets back later. Still lots of big names and bad contracts out there to be moved and I think getting a 2019 pick or addl picks next year would be huge.

[kingjawn100]

This how i see opening night shaping up...

FOX/LAWSON/VET
HIELD/BOGDAN/RICHARDSON
VET/TEMPLE/JACKSON
SKAL/VET
WCS/KOUFOS/PAPAG

This assuming McLemore is gone and Mason and Giles start out in D-league.

I go into this assuming Giles' knee problems continue and he never plays a game for Sac. And anything we get on top of that is gravy.
i know there are skal comparisons because of where they were ranked coming into college. But Skal just had issues with the kentucky system/cal. Multiple knee injuries is far more daunting to recover from.

[kingjawn100]

I think the draft was decent to pretty good. Fox was a no-brainer at 5. I think not taking ZCollins at 10 (and not trading for Drummond) was a sign that they want to give our bigs (Skal/WCS/PapaG) time to develop. That being said this is a huge year for WCS and if he doesn't develop they may look to draft his replacement next year (Bamba/Ayton/Williams). And logically, us taking Monk at 10 would have made coming over a little less desirable for Bogdan. I know Monk can play a little 1 and Bogdan can play a little 3 but he'd really be battling just to see the court. Now the backup 2-guard spot is his if he wants it (let Malachi develop in G-league)

Like most im not totally sold with the Jackson pick but time will tell. Was hoping for someone with a little more boom/bust upside but he can run and shoot so we'll see how it shakes out. I do like how active he is both offensively and defensively.

Between Fox, Jackson and WCS we have some guys that can really fly down the court.
Between Fox, Buddy, Jackson, Skal and WCS we may field at times the skinniest starting 5 in league history.

Mason pick i'm fine with at that spot. I see him spending the first half of the year in the G-league then being brought up at some point. The one thing we didn't get was a dirty work, rebounding big man.

It will be interesting to see how free agency shakes out. Where some people say go with a full youth movement and give all the young guys the bulk of the minutes i think you need vets setting the tone for the younger guys to learn winning habits from (both on and off the court). Collison or Lawson, a scoring wing, and a gritty rebounding big man should be priorities.

So you think 5 veteran players in the rotation is a good thing for a rebuilding team that could have 5 1st year players and 4 2nd year players.
Granted only 3 of the 1st year players should be in the rotation, but all 4 of the sophomore players should be in the rotation plus WCS.
I'm not saying going your route is wrong, far from it, I just think the days of sticking veterans in front of young players is gone, at least for the next couple of seasons


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I just think you need some older guys showing the younger guys the ropes both on and off the court at first. There's something to be said to having to EARN minutes in the league...makes guys hungrier. We all agree that losing isn't the end of the world this year but you don't want young players losing confidence from getting blown out night after night. Even when we went younger and showed promise towards the end of last year, part of that was Lawson/Collison/Tyreke/Aflalo playing well when called on.

I don't think you can really have Mason as your primary backup to Fox. Rookies learning from rookies doesn't really seem like a smart move.

[sacking123]

I think the draft was decent to pretty good. Fox was a no-brainer at 5. I think not taking ZCollins at 10 (and not trading for Drummond) was a sign that they want to give our bigs (Skal/WCS/PapaG) time to develop. That being said this is a huge year for WCS and if he doesn't develop they may look to draft his replacement next year (Bamba/Ayton/Williams). And logically, us taking Monk at 10 would have made coming over a little less desirable for Bogdan. I know Monk can play a little 1 and Bogdan can play a little 3 but he'd really be battling just to see the court. Now the backup 2-guard spot is his if he wants it (let Malachi develop in G-league)

Like most im not totally sold with the Jackson pick but time will tell. Was hoping for someone with a little more boom/bust upside but he can run and shoot so we'll see how it shakes out. I do like how active he is both offensively and defensively.

Between Fox, Jackson and WCS we have some guys that can really fly down the court.
Between Fox, Buddy, Jackson, Skal and WCS we may field at times the skinniest starting 5 in league history.

Mason pick i'm fine with at that spot. I see him spending the first half of the year in the G-league then being brought up at some point. The one thing we didn't get was a dirty work, rebounding big man.

It will be interesting to see how free agency shakes out. Where some people say go with a full youth movement and give all the young guys the bulk of the minutes i think you need vets setting the tone for the younger guys to learn winning habits from (both on and off the court). Collison or Lawson, a scoring wing, and a gritty rebounding big man should be priorities.

So you think 5 veteran players in the rotation is a good thing for a rebuilding team that could have 5 1st year players and 4 2nd year players.
Granted only 3 of the 1st year players should be in the rotation, but all 4 of the sophomore players should be in the rotation plus WCS.
I'm not saying going your route is wrong, far from it, I just think the days of sticking veterans in front of young players is gone, at least for the next couple of seasons


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I just think you need some older guys showing the younger guys the ropes both on and off the court at first. There's something to be said to having to EARN minutes in the league...makes guys hungrier. We all agree that losing isn't the end of the world this year but you don't want young players losing confidence from getting blown out night after night. Even when we went younger and showed promise towards the end of last year, part of that was Lawson/Collison/Tyreke/Aflalo playing well when called on.

I don't think you can really have Mason as your primary backup to Fox. Rookies learning from rookies doesn't really seem like a smart move.

While I certainly agree with your sentiment I think we have enough with Temple/Koufas to keep the young ones on their toes. I would look to add an experienced PG as well as I think it looks like this:
Fox/Vet
Buddy/Bogdanovic/Richardson
Temple/Jackson
Skal
WCS/Koufas/Papa

Giles shouldn't do much for the season, Mason should be G League and come up if Fox is out.
I would want the vet PG to be someone that is fine with 1 year at the back up spot to teach, if Fox gets hurt then Mason comes in to get experience and the vet stays at back up.
We have a lot of interchangeable parts and hopefully the coaching staff utilises that.
I don't know who the PG should be, Collison would be good in terms of what he would teach them but we need an older guy at the end of his career.


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[SacKingZZZ]

Well this is unfortunate...


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Thank goodness I didn't have twitter when I was a brainless kid. Anyway, he should enjoy Reno! Plenty of Reno!

[KF10]

Well this is unfortunate...


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He was like 14 or 15 at the time he wrote that?

I give the kid a break here.

[KingFox]

I'm ecstatic!!! Beyond omg

[Yuri Vaultin]

Huge fan of your draft night picks and moves. Maybe Vlade actually knows what he's doing? Best of luck guys.

[SactownHrtBrks8]

I feel like if Lauri had been on the board, we would stayed put. I am disappointed we didn't take Monk and trade down. My thoughts:

Fox is an A+ because he is who we want it.

I think Jackson will be solid. I am not sure if he is a career starter or just your first swing off the bench, but he will contribute. He is high character and he is a winner.

Giles is a high risk high reward pic. I think he will be a solid pro. I am not sure he will get his athleticism back, but I have my fingers crossed.

I like Mason. I am positive he sticks in the league. I do not know if that is with the Kings or not. Another high character guy who is the winner.

Summer is it over yet. There are still many changes that could happen. We will see who we are able to get in free agency.


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[VeganKingsFan]

I think Vlade may not be looking to sign veterans in free agency. He was asked during his interview what kind of veterans he was looking to sign in free agency and he dodged the question and said he just wanted to celebrate what they did in the draft. If he was looking to sign veterans he would have given some broad statement like, "ones who fit our culture and can help the young players," etc. While the question was being asked, I guessed he would dodge the question because he didn't plan on bringing Collison or Lawson back and didn't want to air his decision to the public.

[Jarlaxle0204]

You guys had a great night and I'm a fan of all your moves. I truly believe Fox is going to be something special. It looks like you're building quite a formidable team. I look forward to our battles in the future.

[RIPskaterdude]

Well this is unfortunate...


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He was like 14 or 15 at the time he wrote that?

I give the kid a break here.

Yeah, to be fair, Sacramento is horrible when you are in High School. Absolutely nothing to do without a drivers license.

[209Kings]

Well this is unfortunate...


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He was like 14 or 15 at the time he wrote that?

I give the kid a break here.

Yeah, to be fair, Sacramento is horrible when you are in High School. Absolutely nothing to do without a drivers license.

And without being 21. The restaurants and night life is great is midtown. Crazy that Fox and Giles still have 2 more years until they can legally drink. Giles Just turned 19 2 months ago. Fox turns 20 in December.

[Worst_to_First]

Just wanted to congratulate you guys for a great draft. Kings were clearly among the huge winners.

[Julian_U2]

We are really gonna regret not drafting Monk. Book it.

[benchmobbin02]

He was like 14 or 15 at the time he wrote that?

I give the kid a break here.

Yeah, to be fair, Sacramento is horrible when you are in High School. Absolutely nothing to do without a drivers license.

And without being 21. The restaurants and night life is great is midtown. Crazy that Fox and Giles still have 2 more years until they can legally drink. Giles Just turned 19 2 months ago. Fox turns 20 in December.

Plus the city has changed alot in the past 3-4 years. Definitely don't hold that against him.

[benchmobbin02]

I think Vlade may not be looking to sign veterans in free agency. He was asked during his interview what kind of veterans he was looking to sign in free agency and he dodged the question and said he just wanted to celebrate what they did in the draft. If he was looking to sign veterans he would have given some broad statement like, "ones who fit our culture and can help the young players," etc. While the question was being asked, I guessed he would dodge the question because he didn't plan on bringing Collison or Lawson back and didn't want to air his decision to the public.

Or he just didn't want the anyone to have any idea what the team is thinking in the area.

[RIPskaterdude]

We are really gonna regret not drafting Monk. Book it.

So we draft him and then who doesnt play? BB? Buddy? Richardson? Temple?

[dckingsfan]

We are really gonna regret not drafting Monk. Book it.

So we draft him and then who doesnt play? BB? Buddy? Richardson? Temple?

Who cares if he ends up being much better than BB (probably), Richardson (probably), Temple (long-term most probably).

If you had a 3 guard rotation that ate up all the minutes - so what!