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Re: RE: Re: General Trade Rumors 

Post#261 » by City of Trees » Thu Feb 8, 2018 10:50 pm

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I just don't know what direction most of it's coming from. If we watch the same split minutes garbage I'll know what to expect moving forward, and that's not much. :lol:

I look at today sort of like the stock market. The Kings had way too many young players, the stock market grew way too fast. Today was you're 10% correction. The approach they took adding so many first round picks in a short amount of time is to blame here but honestly how can you be mad at taking so many swings? The players they got rid of all the players that we don't View as part of the core moving forward. Papa wasn't part of the core. Richardson was buried behind buddy and bogdanovich who are the core. Cut your losses

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Re: RE: Re: General Trade Rumors 

Post#262 » by City of Trees » Thu Feb 8, 2018 10:52 pm

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City of Trees wrote:Guys, I think Giles has everything to do with the FO feeling ok to let Papa walk now.

They tried to move him and no one wanted him. ...plus his skills arwnt the reason he isnt playing, its his athleticism. His feet are too slow. Thats not going to change.

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The Giles thing is getting way out of hand. He had a terrific junior year of high school basketball. Outside of that he missed his HS Sophomore year, HS Senior year, most of his college freshman year and his whole rookie season.

Has anything remotely similar to that happened to a really good NBA player? Ever?

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Re: RE: Re: General Trade Rumors 

Post#263 » by sdballer » Thu Feb 8, 2018 10:59 pm

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City of Trees wrote:Guys, I think Giles has everything to do with the FO feeling ok to let Papa walk now.

They tried to move him and no one wanted him. ...plus his skills arwnt the reason he isnt playing, its his athleticism. His feet are too slow. Thats not going to change.

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The Giles thing is getting way out of hand. He had a terrific junior year of high school basketball. Outside of that he missed his HS Sophomore year, HS Senior year, most of his college freshman year and his whole rookie season.

Has anything remotely similar to that happened to a really good NBA player? Ever?

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Not a bad example but he was healthy through HS and only missed the tourney in college. While I love what he's doing, he hasn't played a combined full season of basketball in 4 seasons so the jury is still out on what kind of career he is headed for.
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Re: RE: Re: General Trade Rumors 

Post#264 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Feb 8, 2018 11:00 pm

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City of Trees wrote:I'm really ok with today.

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I just don't know what direction most of it's coming from. If we watch the same split minutes garbage I'll know what to expect moving forward, and that's not much. :lol:

I look at today sort of like the stock market. The Kings had way too many young players, the stock market grew way too fast. Today was you're 10% correction. The approach they took adding so many first round picks in a short amount of time is to blame here but honestly how can you be mad at taking so many swings? The players they got rid of all the players that we don't View as part of the core moving forward. Papa wasn't part of the core. Richardson was buried behind buddy and bogdanovich who are the core. Cut your losses

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The thing with Papa is they didn't gain anything from it financially. I guess they save on plane tickets. They are apparently keeping Bruno so it makes a little more sense. Trade one high risk prospect for another who is probably a better fit. The Kings were at the roster limit to make these deals work so there you go.
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Re: RE: Re: General Trade Rumors 

Post#265 » by sdballer » Thu Feb 8, 2018 11:00 pm

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City of Trees wrote:I'm really ok with today.

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I just don't know what direction most of it's coming from. If we watch the same split minutes garbage I'll know what to expect moving forward, and that's not much. :lol:

I look at today sort of like the stock market. The Kings had way too many young players, the stock market grew way too fast. Today was you're 10% correction. The approach they took adding so many first round picks in a short amount of time is to blame here but honestly how can you be mad at taking so many swings? The players they got rid of all the players that we don't View as part of the core moving forward. Papa wasn't part of the core. Richardson was buried behind buddy and bogdanovich who are the core. Cut your losses

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Also, why even pick up Papa's option last year?
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Re: RE: Re: General Trade Rumors 

Post#266 » by Castor_Troy » Thu Feb 8, 2018 11:02 pm

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SacKingZZZ wrote:

I just don't know what direction most of it's coming from. If we watch the same split minutes garbage I'll know what to expect moving forward, and that's not much. :lol:

I look at today sort of like the stock market. The Kings had way too many young players, the stock market grew way too fast. Today was you're 10% correction. The approach they took adding so many first round picks in a short amount of time is to blame here but honestly how can you be mad at taking so many swings? The players they got rid of all the players that we don't View as part of the core moving forward. Papa wasn't part of the core. Richardson was buried behind buddy and bogdanovich who are the core. Cut your losses

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The thing with Papa is they didn't gain anything from it financially. I guess they save on plane tickets. They are apparently keeping Bruno so it makes a little more sense. Trade one high risk prospect for another who is probably a better fit. The Kings were at the roster limit to make these deals work so there you go.


They gained Bruno Caboclo...they obviously see more promise in him than Papa.

In Bruno We Trust! :wink:
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Re: RE: Re: General Trade Rumors 

Post#267 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Feb 8, 2018 11:04 pm

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City of Trees wrote:Guys, I think Giles has everything to do with the FO feeling ok to let Papa walk now.

They tried to move him and no one wanted him. ...plus his skills arwnt the reason he isnt playing, its his athleticism. His feet are too slow. Thats not going to change.

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The Giles thing is getting way out of hand. He had a terrific junior year of high school basketball. Outside of that he missed his HS Sophomore year, HS Senior year, most of his college freshman year and his whole rookie season.

Has anything remotely similar to that happened to a really good NBA player? Ever?

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There is a difference with Giles, he did play in college and he's not injured now. They are just stashing him hoping he recovers more. He didn't play major minutes at Duke but if you watched him he looked like Shareef Abdur-Rahim towards the end there. He was still productive and a rotation quality piece but he clearly has knee issues. Maybe the extra year of recovery will help but I didn't see a player that's guaranteed to play anything more than 15-20 mpg without issues. He's a gamble pick like Papa was. Hopefully they give him a shot unlike Papa G.
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Re: General Trade Rumors 

Post#268 » by Sacramento_King » Thu Feb 8, 2018 11:05 pm

So we thought we could waive Bruno but were forced to cut someone from roster since Cavs deal was first. Man, front office struggled today
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Post#269 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Feb 8, 2018 11:05 pm

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City of Trees wrote:I look at today sort of like the stock market. The Kings had way too many young players, the stock market grew way too fast. Today was you're 10% correction. The approach they took adding so many first round picks in a short amount of time is to blame here but honestly how can you be mad at taking so many swings? The players they got rid of all the players that we don't View as part of the core moving forward. Papa wasn't part of the core. Richardson was buried behind buddy and bogdanovich who are the core. Cut your losses

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The thing with Papa is they didn't gain anything from it financially. I guess they save on plane tickets. They are apparently keeping Bruno so it makes a little more sense. Trade one high risk prospect for another who is probably a better fit. The Kings were at the roster limit to make these deals work so there you go.


They gained Bruno Caboclo...they obviously see more promise in him than Papa.

In Bruno We Trust!



I'm down if they let him show something. He's never gotten the chance either so the Kings could be doing themselves a big favor by letting him prove himself. Those physical tools are impressive.
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Re: General Trade Rumors 

Post#270 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Feb 8, 2018 11:07 pm

Sacramento_King wrote:So we thought we could waive Bruno but were forced to cut someone from roster since Cavs deal was first. Man, front office struggled today



Is there a source on that or is it just guessing on your part? If so then how they don't realize that a buyout of Carter is right there is beyond goofy and not a good sign moving forward.
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Re: RE: Re: General Trade Rumors 

Post#271 » by City of Trees » Thu Feb 8, 2018 11:11 pm

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Sacramento_King wrote:So we thought we could waive Bruno but were forced to cut someone from roster since Cavs deal was first. Man, front office struggled today



Is there a source on that or is it just guessing on your part? If so then how they don't realize that a buyout of Carter is right there is beyond goofy and not a good sign moving forward.

Wtf this can't be real life

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Re: General Trade Rumors 

Post#272 » by Castor_Troy » Thu Feb 8, 2018 11:13 pm

Sacramento_King wrote:So we thought we could waive Bruno but were forced to cut someone from roster since Cavs deal was first. Man, front office struggled today


Who says thats how it went down? How do you know we didn't want to keep Bruno from the start?
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Re: General Trade Rumors 

Post#273 » by City of Trees » Thu Feb 8, 2018 11:15 pm

I need you to source the had to waive Papa due to a FO mistake with Richardson

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Re: General Trade Rumors 

Post#274 » by kalenclayton » Thu Feb 8, 2018 11:22 pm

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madskillz8 wrote:They are keeping Cooley and Sampson but waiving a 20 yo. center that they picked at 13th. Who showed that he has a good mid range shot, offensive rebounding, good floater and passing in very limited minutes. They prefer playing more Koufos and Zbo. Really???

Wait... you are saying Papa was good at those things? I would say ok at best. He’s huge, which was his best skill (not even a skill). He was ok at rebounding. Everything else looked completely unnatural. Maybe he will be ok, but he wasn’t good and was never put in a position to get better. It wasn’t happening in Sac. He should’ve never been drafted by the Kings.


13th draft pick at that year is another thing.

I have watched many games after the trade that PapaG had some minutes. Even though he's raw, he did very well in limited minutes. 7'2 bigs with shooting touch doesnt grow on trees: just check his highlights.

I agree that the 2016 is another thing. That draft was pretty awful. I still didn’t agree with 2 of the picks. After we traded 8, I wanted Denzel Valentine, Wade Baldwin, Malik Beasley, or Timothe Luwawu at 13. Then we got floored with the Papa pick. I was mad, but I wanted to see what would happen. Then we picked up the 22nd pick and I was certain we were getting Luwawu or Dejounte Murray. I was a little peeved at the Malachi pick, but in time I liked it. I loved he Skal pick and thought it could be the steal of the draft.

Papa seems like a likeable guy. I just don’t like his on court play. I agree that huge guys that can potentially have soft touch don’t grow on trees. You refer to his highlights as the reason he is good at certain things. I watch almost every single Kings game and every time I’ve seen Papa, I’ve been left with a feeling of disappointment. I’ve only seen one stretch where he actually did some positive things in a row. That happened to be the most recent Kings - Pelicans game. He came in and played a decent-good 6 minute stretch. He set some good screens and passed the ball to the correct spots a few times. That was the first time in two years for a good stretch. The first!

Papa doesn’t have good b-ball IQ. Sure that can be fixed over time, but he just doesn’t do the right things. He also has made tons of mistakes that high schoolers don’t make. He just doesn’t really get it. He could be taught these things, but know that he will be a bigger project that people are believing right now. He could be a decent player in like 3-4 years, but there was no way the Kings were going to be that team. He was drafted by the wrong team. The Kings were not in a position to mentor Papa. Vlade made a mistake with that and Even the most loyal of Kings fans were left confused with a feeling of dread. I am one of them.

I hope Papa gets good and I hope he lands in a good situation. He was just never going to get it in Sac when they are currently in their first real year of rebuilding. He needs a lot more attention.
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Re: General Trade Rumors 

Post#275 » by VeganKingsFan » Thu Feb 8, 2018 11:39 pm

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kalenclayton wrote:Wait... you are saying Papa was good at those things? I would say ok at best. He’s huge, which was his best skill (not even a skill). He was ok at rebounding. Everything else looked completely unnatural. Maybe he will be ok, but he wasn’t good and was never put in a position to get better. It wasn’t happening in Sac. He should’ve never been drafted by the Kings.


13th draft pick at that year is another thing.

I have watched many games after the trade that PapaG had some minutes. Even though he's raw, he did very well in limited minutes. 7'2 bigs with shooting touch doesnt grow on trees: just check his highlights.

I agree that the 2016 is another thing. That draft was pretty awful. I still didn’t agree with 2 of the picks. After we traded 8, I wanted Denzel Valentine, Wade Baldwin, Malik Beasley, or Timothe Luwawu at 13. Then we got floored with the Papa pick. I was mad, but I wanted to see what would happen. Then we picked up the 22nd pick and I was certain we were getting Luwawu or Dejounte Murray. I was a little peeved at the Malachi pick, but in time I liked it. I loved he Skal pick and thought it could be the steal of the draft.

Papa seems like a likeable guy. I just don’t like his on court play. I agree that huge guys that can potentially have soft touch don’t grow on trees. You refer to his highlights as the reason he is good at certain things. I watch almost every single Kings game and every time I’ve seen Papa, I’ve been left with a feeling of disappointment. I’ve only seen one stretch where he actually did some positive things in a row. That happened to be the most recent Kings - Pelicans game. He came in and played a decent-good 6 minute stretch. He set some good screens and passed the ball to the correct spots a few times. That was the first time in two years for a good stretch. The first!

Papa doesn’t have good b-ball IQ. Sure that can be fixed over time, but he just doesn’t do the right things. He also has made tons of mistakes that high schoolers don’t make. He just doesn’t really get it. He could be taught these things, but know that he will be a bigger project that people are believing right now. He could be a decent player in like 3-4 years, but there was no way the Kings were going to be that team. He was drafted by the wrong team. The Kings were not in a position to mentor Papa. Vlade made a mistake with that and Even the most loyal of Kings fans were left confused with a feeling of dread. I am one of them.

I hope Papa gets good and I hope he lands in a good situation. He was just never going to get it in Sac when they are currently in their first real year of rebuilding. He needs a lot more attention.

All the players who everyone was saying the Kings should've picked instead of Papa ended up being flops anyway. The favorites for that pick were Wade Baldwin and Denzel Valentine, who are both terrible. It was just a bad draft overall. Marquese Chriss, like I said from the day he was drafted, is not good, has a very poor attitude, the worst defense, and such a low intelligence that I can't imagine him developing. Look at his stats this year. We got Papa, Skal and Bogdanovic for him. I'd rather have either Skal or Bogdanovic. I'd honestly rather have anyone because Chriss is a cancer.
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Post#276 » by SHFT » Fri Feb 9, 2018 12:41 am

VeganKingsFan wrote:I wasn't very high on Malachi, and Caboclo still has potential as an athletic 3 & D combo forward, so I'm fine with the trade. Caboclo still needs developing, but so does Malachi. Caboclo has the higher ceiling, so it's really just a tiny gamble.
Pretty much how i feel about this deal as a raps fan.

Bruno has freakish length and has shown extremely small flashes of bring a solid 3 and D player. His 3 point shot looks smooth and his release point is very high.

Most of the time though he just looked lost out there and for whatever reason he couldnt seem to mentally put it all together. We did draft him as a teenager out of Brazil where he rode the bench so maybe the nba transition was too much for him.

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Re: General Trade Rumors 

Post#277 » by City of Trees » Fri Feb 9, 2018 1:51 am

So what does our team look like post deadline?

Fox / Mason
Bogi / Buddy / Temple /Shum
Jackson / Carter / Caboclo
Randolph / Skal
WCS / Koufos


Inactive: Giles

Two way: Sampson, Cooley

Rights: Agravanis (pick #59 in 2015)

1 open roster spot

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Post#278 » by City of Trees » Fri Feb 9, 2018 1:59 am

The cash considerations total is more than what is owed to Papagiannis next season.

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Post#279 » by LightTheBeam » Fri Feb 9, 2018 4:00 am

City of Trees wrote:So what does our team look like post deadline?

Fox / Mason
Bogi / Buddy / Temple /Shum
Jackson / Carter / Caboclo
Randolph / Skal
WCS / Koufos


Inactive: Giles

Two way: Sampson, Cooley

Rights: Agravanis (pick #59 in 2015)

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Ya truthfully I want to see minutes breakdown as such. (When healthy aside from Giles of course)

WCS (32)/Sampson(16)
Skal(28)/Bruno(14)/Jackson(6)
Jackson(22)/Buddy(16)/Vince(10)
Bogdan(32)/Buddy(16)
Fox(32)/Mason(16)

WCS - 32
Sampson - 16
SKal - 28
Bruno - 14
Vince -12
Jackson - 28
Buddy - 32
Bogdan - 32
Fox - 32
Mason - 16

10 man roster with our best 6 prospects getting at least 28 mpg.

I know that isn't realistic at all. More than Likely Randolph and Koufos continue to get 25+ when they play. Bruno probably never sees the court. Temple continues to play 25 minutes and Buddy and Bogdan don't see 30+.

This year without having Giles, Id love to give Bruno run at backup 4. Id prefer he received those minutes than Randolph or Koufos. We have everything to gain by playing him and nothing to lose. If he shows anything we can resign him for a year or 2 on the cheap, if he flat out looks terrible than hes gone no harm no foul.

Crossing my fingers that Temple, Shump and Koufos opt out. But i know theres no chance Shump does, so I hope we buy him out this summer. Doesn't seem like a very smart player.
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Post#280 » by sacking123 » Fri Feb 9, 2018 4:05 am

I have always backed Vlade, rather given him the benefit of the doubt. However waiving a player you drafted 13th and called a future All Star, waiving him after just 1.5 seasons, 38 games, should get you fired.
I think these moves have been about the young guys not fitting, but as I said get ready for plenty of Temple, Shump, VC, ZBo and WCS line ups. SMH what an absolute mess. Of the guys that should be gone, 2 of them are still here.
If the FO views Bruno as a legitimate swap for Malachi then fine, but give him plenty of time to make mistakes and learn from then On the floor though. Wow it’s frustrating to support incompetence at this level.
Oh and the cap space that we will use to gain assets or make a move later instead of signing someone. We had that last year too, where did it get us? Yeah that’s right “cutting our losses” on young players while keeping Randolph, Kosta, Temple and VC on the roster. Absolutely no vision for the future.


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