Kings Trade Thread

SmellingColors · Post #261 » by **SmellingColors** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:00 pm

The Celtics are already trying to get in on the Houston/Sixers deal so I imagine it's for Capela.

SmellingColors · Post #262 » by **SmellingColors** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:03 pm

Anderson is reporting that we're looking at Beverley on a 3/40 deal.

https://amp.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article232039777.html

BoogieTime · Post #263 » by **BoogieTime** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:08 pm

blind prophet wrote:Oubre supposedly has at least one potential suitor for 4/80 or more.

My question is, do you think that may be the Kings?

Not if you like that or not, but if it is true could it be the Kings?

No IMO.

BoogieTime · Post #264 » by **BoogieTime** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:10 pm

As for Capela, it’s not just about winning games, but asset portfolio. If he continues exponential improvement he is an asset. None of these 30+ year olds would be

BoogieTime · Post #265 » by **BoogieTime** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:11 pm

SmellingColors wrote:Anderson is reporting that we're looking at Beverley on a 3/40 deal.

https://amp.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article232039777.html

Which shouldn’t get it done at all IMO. He will be pursued and someone will start him

BoogieTime · Post #266 » by **BoogieTime** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:12 pm

SmellingColors wrote:The Celtics are already trying to get in on the Houston/Sixers deal so I imagine it's for Capela.

Their also rumored to be front in center on Kemba, so not sure they’d take back as much salary as the rockets would like to give

benchmobbin02 · Post #267 » by **benchmobbin02** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:18 pm

blind prophet wrote:
benchmobbin02 wrote:
blind prophet wrote:
Capela & Bagley's spacing would be atrocious.

Lopez or Dedmon would be cheaper too.

I wanna address the spacing thing with Capela. At the moment it's true that he doesn't score from the perimeter but that doesn't mean he can't. I'm sure the same was said of Lopez before 2016 and Dedmon before 2017 but they worked on their shot and now they are threats in that area. It just takes work.

Now I completely understand people having trouble with that issue now but I think it is something that can be developed especially for a young big that checks every other box beside that one.

I'm also not sure those other guys would be that much cheaper., especially Dedmon. They'll have shorter deals for sure. But if they are taking less then they are worth, they'll probably do that on a team they think can contend this year and next year. I don't know it we fit that.

I bet we have a chance at Dedmon 3/45

One year less, 20-25%ish cheaper per year.

I really hope we do for the simple facts that I want to win. The more chances we have to add good players, the better chance that we win.

I like his immediate fit for us more than any other big on the market but it leaves us with a hole again at C in 2-3 years imo, just when or just before our key guys are reaching their prime. I was just trying to add some perspective.

Plus if you count CC's contract for those 3 yrs, he is getting 3/48(2019-$15mil, 2020-$16mil, 2021-$17mil). That even isn't close to 20-25% cheaper.

benchmobbin02 · Post #268 » by **benchmobbin02** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:20 pm

blind prophet wrote:Oubre supposedly has at least one potential suitor for 4/80 or more.

My question is, do you think that may be the Kings?

Not if you like that or not, but if it is true could it be the Kings?

The only way I see this being us is if Barnes given up trying to get here. I don't think that is the case so I'm not buying it's us.

dckingsfan · Post #269 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:28 pm

blind prophet wrote:I bet we have a chance at Dedmon 3/45

One year less, 20-25%ish cheaper per year.

Interesting... you have thought this one out. I like Dedmon too, why do you think 3/45 would get it done?

dckingsfan · Post #270 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:31 pm

BTW, this Sunday at 6 p.m. EST, 3 PST is the start. Hope to hear something from Vlade at 3:01 PST - means he got his guy

LightTheBeam · Post #271 » by **LightTheBeam** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:01 pm

Does anyone actually listen to Carmichael Dave in the morning?

Apparently Sam Amick was on his show this morning and said Kings-Rockets have held talks.

I've said I'm not a huge Capela fan, but if we can get Tucker & Gordon and for cheap. Still retain enough to resign Barnes, its a no brainer to me.

Capela/Giles
Bagley/Tucker
Barnes
Buddy/Bogi
Fox/Gordon

Flip Bjelica for any wing you can. That is absolutely a playoff team in the west. One of the best benches in the entire league. Bogi/Gordon would light other teams benches up.

blind prophet · Post #272 » by **blind prophet** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:12 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
blind prophet wrote:I bet we have a chance at Dedmon 3/45

One year less, 20-25%ish cheaper per year.

Interesting... you have thought this one out. I like Dedmon too, why do you think 3/45 would get it done?

Think we'd have a shot, I thought Capela was closer to 20 million a year earlier in his contract, but he's not over 19 until the final year so my percentages are off.

Regardless of that, yeah I like him for the Kings.

kalenclayton · Post #273 » by **kalenclayton** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:15 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
blind prophet wrote:I bet we have a chance at Dedmon 3/45

One year less, 20-25%ish cheaper per year.

Interesting... you have thought this one out. I like Dedmon too, why do you think 3/45 would get it done?

I really think we are overbidding, both from a talent and suitor standpoint. He is NOT worth $15 million per year. Sure he has a desirable skillset, but he will be 30 in August, only averaged over 20 mpg when with a bad team (less with the Spurs), and has averaged only 64 games per season over the past 5 seasons (including the outlier Spurs season - 76 games). Do we really want to give him the 16th highest paycheck for a center, especially one who is at this stage? Is he really that good? (answer=no)

Nurkic got signed last offseason and averages $12 million per season. He impacts the game much more than Dedmon. The center position is so flooded with talent that you should only be paying up if it’s for a serious talent. Even then, your hope is either that he is elite or young. Dedmon is neither of those. Now I like Dedmon as a target because of his on-court fit, but we need to be REALLY careful with our desperation for a center. Dedmon will not get paid $15 million by any other team. If he does, it will be considered an overpay with accompanied buyers remorse and a potential to be hard to move. You may be scared that he slips through your fingers because of all the available dollars around the league, but that money will dry up a lot faster than you think.

Offer Dedmon $24 million / 3 years. If he goes elsewhere, so be it. That money is just under MLE money, which he’s probably worth. Allow wiggle room up to $30 million if the team is desperate, but they shouldn’t feel that way because there are plenty of usable centers in this saturated market.

blind prophet · Post #274 » by **blind prophet** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:18 pm

RipPizzaGuy wrote:Does anyone actually listen to Carmichael Dave in the morning?

Apparently Sam Amick was on his show this morning and said Kings-Rockets have held talks.

I've said I'm not a huge Capela fan, but if we can get Tucker & Gordon and for cheap. Still retain enough to resign Barnes, its a no brainer to me.

Capela/Giles
Bagley/Tucker
Barnes
Buddy/Bogi
Fox/Gordon

Flip Bjelica for any wing you can. That is absolutely a playoff team in the west. One of the best benches in the entire league. Bogi/Gordon would light other teams benches up.

Dave responded to me a bit about Capela at another site, and yeah I heard it.

Just next seasons contracts.

Capela + Gordon is about 30.5 million + 8.35 for Tucker

38.85 million ish
-6.825 Bjelica

32 million off the cap.

We have about 59 million potentially

Leaves us 27 million. Can you keep Barnes with that? I dunno.

blind prophet · Post #275 » by **blind prophet** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:26 pm

You need to insist Swanigan goes out to Houston to make this deal.

OhioKingsFan · Post #276 » by **OhioKingsFan** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:02 am

For those hoping for Horford as the big FA signing... sell me on it. For me, his age alone puts him out of consideration for a long-term deal. Capela's age, defense, and length of contract are all pluses. Vucevic's offense would be a huge help in the half-court. Dedmon is a lower usage player that could still have a positive impact on the team without getting in the way of Bagley and Giles. I get that Horford is a really good player right now, but he's not exactly a speedster, I just struggle to see him as a great fit for the Kings.

LightTheBeam · Post #277 » by **LightTheBeam** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:34 am

blind prophet wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:Does anyone actually listen to Carmichael Dave in the morning?

Apparently Sam Amick was on his show this morning and said Kings-Rockets have held talks.

I've said I'm not a huge Capela fan, but if we can get Tucker & Gordon and for cheap. Still retain enough to resign Barnes, its a no brainer to me.

Capela/Giles
Bagley/Tucker
Barnes
Buddy/Bogi
Fox/Gordon

Flip Bjelica for any wing you can. That is absolutely a playoff team in the west. One of the best benches in the entire league. Bogi/Gordon would light other teams benches up.

Dave responded to me a bit about Capela at another site, and yeah I heard it.

Just next seasons contracts.

Capela + Gordon is about 30.5 million + 8.35 for Tucker

38.85 million ish
-6.825 Bjelica

32 million off the cap.

We have about 59 million potentially

Leaves us 17 million. Can you keep Barnes with that? I dunno.

I might be missing something here - I've seen cap ranges from 59-62. Assuming the 59 number you used,

38.8 - 6.8 = 32. ------ 59-32 = 27.

I think we should have plenty to bring Barnes back.

blind prophet · Post #278 » by **blind prophet** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:39 am

RipPizzaGuy wrote:
blind prophet wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:Does anyone actually listen to Carmichael Dave in the morning?

Apparently Sam Amick was on his show this morning and said Kings-Rockets have held talks.

I've said I'm not a huge Capela fan, but if we can get Tucker & Gordon and for cheap. Still retain enough to resign Barnes, its a no brainer to me.

Capela/Giles
Bagley/Tucker
Barnes
Buddy/Bogi
Fox/Gordon

Flip Bjelica for any wing you can. That is absolutely a playoff team in the west. One of the best benches in the entire league. Bogi/Gordon would light other teams benches up.

Dave responded to me a bit about Capela at another site, and yeah I heard it.

Just next seasons contracts.

Capela + Gordon is about 30.5 million + 8.35 for Tucker

38.85 million ish
-6.825 Bjelica

32 million off the cap.

We have about 59 million potentially

Leaves us 17 million. Can you keep Barnes with that? I dunno.

I might be missing something here - I've seen cap ranges from 59-62. Assuming the 59 number you used,

38.8 - 6.8 = 32. ------ 59-32 = 27.

I think we should have plenty to bring Barnes back.

You are right math is 10 million off, on a bad numbers day lol.

bleeds_purple · Post #279 » by **bleeds_purple** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:40 am

Would you guys rather have Capella or Dedmon at 12/year? I kind of feel like Dedmon would flat out be better for us.

If we do the deal with the Rockets we should look to move Capella for Smart like I suggested.

blind prophet · Post #280 » by **blind prophet** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:49 am

bleeds_purple wrote:Would you guys rather have Capella or Dedmon at 12/year? I kind of feel like Dedmon would flat out be better for us.

If we do the deal with the Rockets we should look to move Capella for Smart like I suggested.

Dedmon no doubt, I'd pay up to 15 per if forced to for him.