The TRADE Thread 2021

[SmellingColors]

What are your guys thoughts on Harrison Barnes?

Would a Kuz, Gasol + 22 pick for Barnes be of interest to Kings fans?

I think the Kings are trying to win now and Barnes will have more of an impact next year than Kuz, Gasol, and the #22. I think Kuz has been over hyped being in LA (until this playoff stint), but he is only 25 and played well under Walton so who knows.

[jeffjtk1234]

What are your guys thoughts on Harrison Barnes?

Would a Kuz, Gasol + 22 pick for Barnes be of interest to Kings fans?

I think the Kings are trying to win now and Barnes will have more of an impact next year than Kuz, Gasol, and the #22. I think Kuz has been over hyped being in LA (until this playoff stint), but he is only 25 and played well under Walton so who knows.

That deals an automatic yes for me. 22 can land you someone like tre Mann or springer.


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[dozencousins]

I just wanted to update everyone on a bit of Kings trade talks . Again as everyone should know a lot of trade talks between all teams end up falling apart .

Kings are talking trades with Clevland were the Kings would get K.Love , Sexton & the # 3 overallpick for Buddy , Marvin ,
J.James , our 2nd round pick . It is also possible the Kings would have to add the #9 pick . Kings are trying to not add that if they can .


Kings are also talking with Philly for B.Simmons . Philly is asking for way , way to much so unless they come down a bit on their asking price a deal will not happen . If they come down then it's possible .

Kings are inquiring about Lillard & Beal but as of now not very likely .

Other names the Kings talking about are : Kuzma , Porzingis , A.Gordon


Other teams were are talking with more than other teams are : Clevland , Warriors ( Wiggins ? ) , Toronto ( # 4 & R.Hood expiring ) , Hawks ( J.Collins ) Boston , ( M.Smart ) , Denver , New Orleans ( S.Adams & #10 ) in regards to Buddy .

This year is more unique . I see that we will make quit a few moves right before & during the draft , also slightly after possible but only if a deal is basically already in place based on if a teams said player was available for them to draft hence moving the trade pieces that both sides were discussing .


I personally believe If K.Love can be health & we are trying to make the Playoffs he is a very low risk get . His salary is high but only 1 additional year while if he does not work out can be re traded or bought out easily . His contract again is high but after this coming season his contract will be a big expiring and will have a lot of value to any team wanting to dump salary and can land us another draft pick & or Younger player by a bit with multiple years left on theor contract and since the Kings are not known to land any real major free agents aside from Vlade and being blessed to get Holmes this or something simular would be good way to go . Unless of course you can land a Beal , lillard or Simmons . Then you may take a different approach !



In closing we are talking to other teams but the above info is the most up to date

[MartinsIzAfraud]

would Ya'll be interested in moving up to 5 for Barnes or Kuminga?

[the_process]

I just wanted to update everyone on a bit of Kings trade talks . Again as everyone should know a lot of trade talks between all teams end up falling apart .

Kings are talking trades with Clevland were the Kings would get K.Love , Sexton & the # 3 overallpick for Buddy , Marvin ,
J.James , our 2nd round pick . It is also possible the Kings would have to add the #9 pick . Kings are trying to not add that if they can .


Kings are also talking with Philly for B.Simmons . Philly is asking for way , way to much so unless they come down a bit on their asking price a deal will not happen . If they come down then it's possible .

Kings are inquiring about Lillard & Beal but as of now not very likely .

Other names the Kings talking about are : Kuzma , Porzingis , A.Gordon


Other teams were are talking with more than other teams are : Clevland , Warriors ( Wiggins ? ) , Toronto ( # 4 & R.Hood expiring ) , Hawks ( J.Collins ) Boston , ( M.Smart ) , Denver , New Orleans ( S.Adams & #10 ) in regards to Buddy .

This year is more unique . I see that we will make quit a few moves right before & during the draft , also slightly after possible but only if a deal is basically already in place based on if a teams said player was available for them to draft hence moving the trade pieces that both sides were discussing .


I personally believe If K.Love can be health & we are trying to make the Playoffs he is a very low risk get . His salary is high but only 1 additional year while if he does not work out can be re traded or bought out easily . His contract again is high but after this coming season his contract will be a big expiring and will have a lot of value to any team wanting to dump salary and can land us another draft pick & or Younger player by a bit with multiple years left on theor contract and since the Kings are not known to land any real major free agents aside from Vlade and being blessed to get Holmes this or something simular would be good way to go . Unless of course you can land a Beal , lillard or Simmons . Then you may take a different approach !



In closing we are talking to other teams but the above info is the most up to date

Do you know what Philly is asking for on Simmons?

[SmellingColors]

would Ya'll be interested in moving up to 5 for Barnes or Kuminga?

I definitely would, but I'm not sure what it'd take to get it done.

[Bones99]

So this is a bit of a long one but the bones (pun intended) of the trade can be altered slighty

Sixers:
Send Out: SImmons, Matisse and George Hill
Receive: Buddy Heild, Harrison Barnes, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
(may need to include some outgoing draft picks)

Kings
Send Out: Hield, Barnes and Tyrese Haliburton
Receive: Simmons and Matisse

OKC
Sends out: SGA
Receive : Haliburton
(May need some draft pick compensation thrown in from Sixers)

Why?
OKC: SGA is due for a contract extension at the end of next year. OKC is the asset gathering stage of their rebuild and SGA's time line is ahead of their rebuild schedule. By essentially swapping him for a younger version of himself in Haliburton they get another 3 years before they need to think about an extension AND they pick up more draft capital. As Hinkie use to say, its all about optionality. And OKC gets that here.

Kings:
Simmons is a better fit along side Fox than Haliburton, Matisse is cheaper and way younger than Barnes and already as good, if not better, a defender. As his offensive game jumpshot develop he could become one of the best 3-D players out there. Heild has been slipping lately as he just doesn't fit well in SAC. Essentially they are upgrading 2 starter spots with this trade and still getting younger.

Sixers:
SGA is aggressive lead guard the Sixers have been looking for. 3-level scorer who can distribute the ball and would be a great pick and roll partner with Embiid, Heild gives them a 40% 3-point shooter and another pick and roll partner. Barnes is an upgrade over Danny GReen as a younger player, albeit not as reliable of a 3pt shooter (37% vs 40% career averages). Defensively they are pretty even. The Sixers will take a step back defensively with both Simmons and Matisse gone, but the offensive step forward would be huge. They probably need to include their 2021 1st rounder and their 2023 first rounder to get this to happen

[VCfor3]

I just wanted to update everyone on a bit of Kings trade talks . Again as everyone should know a lot of trade talks between all teams end up falling apart .

Kings are talking trades with Clevland were the Kings would get K.Love , Sexton & the # 3 overallpick for Buddy , Marvin ,
J.James , our 2nd round pick . It is also possible the Kings would have to add the #9 pick . Kings are trying to not add that if they can .


Kings are also talking with Philly for B.Simmons . Philly is asking for way , way to much so unless they come down a bit on their asking price a deal will not happen . If they come down then it's possible .

Kings are inquiring about Lillard & Beal but as of now not very likely .

Other names the Kings talking about are : Kuzma , Porzingis , A.Gordon


Other teams were are talking with more than other teams are : Clevland , Warriors ( Wiggins ? ) , Toronto ( # 4 & R.Hood expiring ) , Hawks ( J.Collins ) Boston , ( M.Smart ) , Denver , New Orleans ( S.Adams & #10 ) in regards to Buddy .

This year is more unique . I see that we will make quit a few moves right before & during the draft , also slightly after possible but only if a deal is basically already in place based on if a teams said player was available for them to draft hence moving the trade pieces that both sides were discussing .


I personally believe If K.Love can be health & we are trying to make the Playoffs he is a very low risk get . His salary is high but only 1 additional year while if he does not work out can be re traded or bought out easily . His contract again is high but after this coming season his contract will be a big expiring and will have a lot of value to any team wanting to dump salary and can land us another draft pick & or Younger player by a bit with multiple years left on theor contract and since the Kings are not known to land any real major free agents aside from Vlade and being blessed to get Holmes this or something simular would be good way to go . Unless of course you can land a Beal , lillard or Simmons . Then you may take a different approach !



In closing we are talking to other teams but the above info is the most up to date

Do you know what Philly is asking for on Simmons?

I believe it was the "NBA Front Office" podcast that said Philly asked for Fox or Haliburton, SAC said no we want a deal based around Bagley+Hield, and Philly said they'd want three 1st round picks in such a deal. If that is the case then good on SAC for saying no.

Also that K Love potential deal almost feels kind of light for Cleveland even with #9 thrown in since I think Cleveland values getting off Love a lot less than any team that would be taking him on.

[the_process]

I just wanted to update everyone on a bit of Kings trade talks . Again as everyone should know a lot of trade talks between all teams end up falling apart .

Kings are talking trades with Clevland were the Kings would get K.Love , Sexton & the # 3 overallpick for Buddy , Marvin ,
J.James , our 2nd round pick . It is also possible the Kings would have to add the #9 pick . Kings are trying to not add that if they can .


Kings are also talking with Philly for B.Simmons . Philly is asking for way , way to much so unless they come down a bit on their asking price a deal will not happen . If they come down then it's possible .

Kings are inquiring about Lillard & Beal but as of now not very likely .

Other names the Kings talking about are : Kuzma , Porzingis , A.Gordon


Other teams were are talking with more than other teams are : Clevland , Warriors ( Wiggins ? ) , Toronto ( # 4 & R.Hood expiring ) , Hawks ( J.Collins ) Boston , ( M.Smart ) , Denver , New Orleans ( S.Adams & #10 ) in regards to Buddy .

This year is more unique . I see that we will make quit a few moves right before & during the draft , also slightly after possible but only if a deal is basically already in place based on if a teams said player was available for them to draft hence moving the trade pieces that both sides were discussing .


I personally believe If K.Love can be health & we are trying to make the Playoffs he is a very low risk get . His salary is high but only 1 additional year while if he does not work out can be re traded or bought out easily . His contract again is high but after this coming season his contract will be a big expiring and will have a lot of value to any team wanting to dump salary and can land us another draft pick & or Younger player by a bit with multiple years left on theor contract and since the Kings are not known to land any real major free agents aside from Vlade and being blessed to get Holmes this or something simular would be good way to go . Unless of course you can land a Beal , lillard or Simmons . Then you may take a different approach !



In closing we are talking to other teams but the above info is the most up to date

Do you know what Philly is asking for on Simmons?

I believe it was the "NBA Front Office" podcast that said Philly asked for Fox or Haliburton, SAC said no we want a deal based around Bagley+Hield, and Philly said they'd want three 1st round picks in such a deal. If that is the case then good on SAC for saying no.

Also that K Love potential deal almost feels kind of light for Cleveland even with #9 thrown in since I think Cleveland values getting off Love a lot less than any team that would be taking him on.

Yeah, can't see a Simmons deal based around Bagley & Hield.

[wat_machine]

Do kings fans think a tobias harris for barnes swap would make sense for sacramento, with philly adding draft compensation? Also, which of these formats would be best:

tobias harris + draft compensation for barnes + hield
tobias harris + draft compensation for barnes + delon
tobias harris + draft compensation for barnes + bagley
tobias harris + draft compensation for barnes + bagley + delon
tobias harris + seth curry + less/no draft compensation for barnes + hield

[BoogieTime]

Do kings fans think a tobias harris for barnes swap would make sense for sacramento, with philly adding draft compensation? Also, which of these formats would be best:

tobias harris + draft compensation for barnes + hield
tobias harris + draft compensation for barnes + delon
tobias harris + draft compensation for barnes + bagley
tobias harris + draft compensation for barnes + bagley + delon
tobias harris + seth curry + less/no draft compensation for barnes + hield

Ive said it on another thread, I personally don't mind a Tobias for Barnes/Hield trade in theory, and it wouldn't take draft compensation for me.

For us, it would consolidate to the best player while clearing the guard glut; while for the Sixers it would give them additional bodies and possibly more movable contracts.

The others would be more tricky as we are high in salary and will already most likely have to dump Bagley to get to a financial position on Holmes

[wat_machine]

Do kings fans think a tobias harris for barnes swap would make sense for sacramento, with philly adding draft compensation? Also, which of these formats would be best:

tobias harris + draft compensation for barnes + hield
tobias harris + draft compensation for barnes + delon
tobias harris + draft compensation for barnes + bagley
tobias harris + draft compensation for barnes + bagley + delon
tobias harris + seth curry + less/no draft compensation for barnes + hield

Ive said it on another thread, I personally don't mind a Tobias for Barnes/Hield trade in theory, and it wouldn't take draft compensation for me.

For us, it would consolidate to the best player while clearing the guard glut; while for the Sixers it would give them additional bodies and possibly more movable contracts.

The others would be more tricky as we are high in salary and will already most likely have to dump Bagley to get to a financial position on Holmes

Yeah I actually think tobi for barnes/hield straightup makes the most sense, especially if the kings have too many guards to accommodate seth. Don't really think the sixers would be keen on keeping buddy for 20m a year, so they'd have to give up some solid assets to get someone to take him, probably toronto in a lowry s&t.

[City of Trees]

Does anyone think Monte has a chance trading Buddy for a 1st?

[OscarH]

Does anyone think Monte has a chance trading Buddy for a 1st?

Knicks for 21?

[SmellingColors]

Looks like Myles Turner and Pascal Siakam are being shopped. Would take a good look at both of them especially since Richaun is likely gone in FA.

[City of Trees]

Looks like Myles Turner and Pascal Siakam are being shopped. Would take a good look at both of them especially since Richaun is likely gone in FA.

Raptors most likely will ask for Haliburton, our pick this year, and Another 1st. Then they'll need a salary filler and my money says they choose Barnes over Buddy.

Haliburton
Barnes
#9
2023 1st

For

Siakam


I would not agree to this deal. If we could somehow remove Hali and replace with Bagley then I'd do it. If they want Buddy over Barnes I'd agree so fast.


Bagley
Barnes
#9
2023 1st top 8 protection

[kb02]

Looks like Myles Turner and Pascal Siakam are being shopped. Would take a good look at both of them especially since Richaun is likely gone in FA.

Raptors most likely will ask for Haliburton, our pick this year, and Another 1st. Then they'll need a salary filler and my money says they choose Barnes over Buddy.

Haliburton
Barnes
#9
2023 1st

For

Siakam


I would not agree to this deal. If we could somehow remove Hali and replace with Bagley then I'd do it. If they want Buddy over Barnes I'd agree so fast.


Bagley
Barnes
#9
2023 1st top 8 protection

I would give 9 for Siakam. Nothing more. Dude’s a limited player on offense and had a down year last year.

[SmellingColors]

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Looks like Myles Turner and Pascal Siakam are being shopped. Would take a good look at both of them especially since Richaun is likely gone in FA.

Raptors most likely will ask for Haliburton, our pick this year, and Another 1st. Then they'll need a salary filler and my money says they choose Barnes over Buddy.

Haliburton
Barnes
#9
2023 1st

For

Siakam


I would not agree to this deal. If we could somehow remove Hali and replace with Bagley then I'd do it. If they want Buddy over Barnes I'd agree so fast.


Bagley
Barnes
#9
2023 1st top 8 protection

I feel like it's pretty clear the Kings aren't going to move Fox or Haliburton so I'm not worried about that. It mostly depends on what the Raps are looking for. But if they're trading Siakam, I imagine they're looking to build a team around Suggs at #4 or whoever they end up with so maybe picks would work. Maybe they think they could develop Bagley as well, who knows.

Siakam had a down year, but still averaged 21pts, 7 rbs, and 4.5 asts per game. His biggest drop off was from 3, but he also shot about 83% from the line last year. I've never been a huge believer in his game, but this team obviously needs an infusion of talent and length. Dude has a 7'3" wingspan at 6'9".

[sackings916]

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Looks like Myles Turner and Pascal Siakam are being shopped. Would take a good look at both of them especially since Richaun is likely gone in FA.

Raptors most likely will ask for Haliburton, our pick this year, and Another 1st. Then they'll need a salary filler and my money says they choose Barnes over Buddy.

Haliburton
Barnes
#9
2023 1st

For

Siakam


I would not agree to this deal. If we could somehow remove Hali and replace with Bagley then I'd do it. If they want Buddy over Barnes I'd agree so fast.


Bagley
Barnes
#9
2023 1st top 8 protection

I feel like it's pretty clear the Kings aren't going to move Fox or Haliburton so I'm not worried about that. It mostly depends on what the Raps are looking for. But if they're trading Siakam, I imagine they're looking to build a team around Suggs at #4 or whoever they end up with so maybe picks would work. Maybe they think they could develop Bagley as well, who knows.

Siakam had a down year, but still averaged 21pts, 7 rbs, and 4.5 asts per game. His biggest drop off was from 3, but he also shot about 83% from the line last year. I've never been a huge believer in his game, but this team obviously needs an infusion of talent and length. Dude has a 7'3" wingspan at 6'9".

It should be a red flag that he’s on the trade block. Not saying he’s a bad player, but at his size and age putting up those numbers you would think they would want to keep him rebuild or not.

[City of Trees]

Shams NBA trade talk article today included this nugget

The Lakers and Sacramento Kings have discussed a deal centered on guard Buddy Hield, sources tell The Athletic. Lakers forward Kyle Kuzma would be involved in a potential package, per sources. The Lakers have received interest from several teams regarding Kuzma, sources said.

https://theathletic.com/2727488/2021/07/25/bradley-beal-mulling-future-with-wizards-lakers-pursue-third-playmaker-plus-more-nba-draft-and-trade-talk?source=user-shared-article


For the Kings I like the salary savings and getting another skilled 3/4 on the roster. Kuz hasn't blossomed like LA had hoped but he's still a serviceable player on a decent contract. Can't complain when we get off Buddy.

Pros for moving Buddy go without saying