24-25 Trade Thread

[Sacramento_King]

All I know is if you trade Fox, you might as well start the rebuild. Get as many picks as you can, move Sabonis for as many picks as you can right after cause without Fox this team will not be the same (for the worse).

If we trade Fox, the next questions are; do we trust Monte to be able to rebuild with his lack of draft success and trust Brown with his lack of player development?

[BoogieTime]

All I know is if you trade Fox, you might as well start the rebuild. Get as many picks as you can, move Sabonis for as many picks as you can right after cause without Fox this team will not be the same (for the worse).

You seem to be going down on the hill that Domas isn't clearly the team's best player

I don't see it being a one or another scenario, immediately. It might become that way, but I'd give it time. No point in treadmilling but Domas has years on his deal

[codydaze]

All I know is if you trade Fox, you might as well start the rebuild. Get as many picks as you can, move Sabonis for as many picks as you can right after cause without Fox this team will not be the same (for the worse).

You seem to be going down on the hill that Domas isn't clearly the team's best player

I don't see it being a one or another scenario, immediately. It might become that way, but I'd give it time. No point in treadmilling but Domas has years on his deal

If we simply "retool" around Sabonis, we will 100% be on the treadmill of hoping to make the play-in. Whether Sabonis is better or not is irrelevant, Fox and Sabonis are your two stars and getting rid of one and keeping the other would be such a dumb move. Either commit to a rebuild or make moves to get better pieces around them. The fact the we have no playable backup to Sabonis and no wings with size that can defend is a bigger issue than the core themselves. That's on Monte, he needs to figure something out or it's time to blow this core up.

[BoogieTime]

I heard Amick now has an article saying he’s gone if the Kings aren’t looking like contenders

Obviously I’m not a fan of the player and if we get solid value for him I’ll consider it a not banging my head against the wall with him, but he’s a classy guy. This is how you do it. Let the organization know this far ahead of time, make subtle ultimatums, etc. this is how you break up with an org amicably

[FarBeyondDriven]

All I know is if you trade Fox, you might as well start the rebuild. Get as many picks as you can, move Sabonis for as many picks as you can right after cause without Fox this team will not be the same (for the worse).

I think it's one way to do it but I think finding centers like Sabonis is really hard. With Carter playing PG and Keegan back to his natural position of SF, and Monk as the 6th man, I think a retool could be in order. I'd also trade Derozan and whoever else along with Fox. If we draft well and develop the young talent we get back in the trade we could return to being at least a fun team to watch as early as next season.

[codydaze]

All I know is if you trade Fox, you might as well start the rebuild. Get as many picks as you can, move Sabonis for as many picks as you can right after cause without Fox this team will not be the same (for the worse).

I think it's one way to do it but I think finding centers like Sabonis is really hard. With Carter playing PG and Keegan back to his natural position of SF, and Monk as the 6th man, I think a retool could be in order. I'd also trade Derozan and whoever else along with Fox. If we draft well and develop the young talent we get back in the trade we could return to being at least a fun team to watch as early as next season.

I just think a retool around Sabonis would be the worst decision we could make. I like Carter but building around Carter/Sabonis would be even more difficult than Fox/Sabonis, in my opinion. Carter projects to be a better defender but I can't see him being close to the scorer Fox is and should have the same, if not worse, shooting concerns from deep. You still would need to surround those two with length and defense but you would also need to find a guy who can be your go to scorer that you can give the ball at the end of the game. I just see that core as having the same deficiencies it currently has but with a huge hole at the number 1 option.

Hoping to find that guy before Sabonis deal runs out is not a gamble I would make considering Sabonis presence alone is going to keep us from completely bottoming out. We will be in that same cycle we were with Boogie where we weren't good enough to compete but not bad enough to pick at the top of the draft. If you blow the core up, I think you just do it right and completely blow it up. Move Fox, Sabonis and Derozan for as many young guys and picks as you can. You keep Carter and Keegan around as a foundation but you honestly might have to make a decision on Keegan as well since he's due for a contract soon, and I am still probably one of Keegan's biggest fans on this board.

[raferfenix]

Mentally preparing myself for Keon to get shipped out of here in whatever package we put together. Seems like Mike Brown just doesn't like him or something. Team has been struggling from deep all year yet the 44% shooter from three gets DNPs. Part of so many of our top lineups (including the starting unit of Fox/Derzoan/Keegan/Sabonis) in terms of Net Rating and has great individual On-Off numbers but still picks up DNPs.

Something like Keon/Lyles for Beef Stew? Would really suck to get rid of the one gem we've actually developed into a rotational NBA player and locked up on a great deal but it seems to be going that way.

I’d take John Collins over beef stew with Jones ermerging we don’t need a true center we could use Collins scoring and rebounding.

I also think we need another big wing (been needed for 3 years now). DFS, Hunter, and Caleb Martin come to minf

Hey Kings fans, curious what your read is on Keon now?

That and how you’d rank Bobby Portis with the other bigs you floated above?

Alternatively the Bucks have 1 future first in 2031 if the Kings want to hold on to the draft assets you have left but need something to get a different piece.

I’m not sure the Bucks would trade that pick for Keon alone though (Giannis will be 37 then). It’s way far away but reports are certain rebuilding teams would highly value it as a trade piece for when they are ready to go for a star a few years from now.

[Jkam31]

Mentally preparing myself for Keon to get shipped out of here in whatever package we put together. Seems like Mike Brown just doesn't like him or something. Team has been struggling from deep all year yet the 44% shooter from three gets DNPs. Part of so many of our top lineups (including the starting unit of Fox/Derzoan/Keegan/Sabonis) in terms of Net Rating and has great individual On-Off numbers but still picks up DNPs.

Something like Keon/Lyles for Beef Stew? Would really suck to get rid of the one gem we've actually developed into a rotational NBA player and locked up on a great deal but it seems to be going that way.

I’d take John Collins over beef stew with Jones ermerging we don’t need a true center we could use Collins scoring and rebounding.

I also think we need another big wing (been needed for 3 years now). DFS, Hunter, and Caleb Martin come to minf

Hey Kings fans, curious what your read is on Keon now?

That and how you’d rank Bobby Portis with the other bigs you floated above?

Alternatively the Bucks have 1 future first in 2031 if the Kings want to hold on to the draft assets you have left but need something to get a different piece.

I’m not sure the Bucks would trade that pick for Keon alone though (Giannis will be 37 then). It’s way far away but reports are certain rebuilding teams would highly value it as a trade piece for when they are ready to go for a star a few years from now.

We love Keon stats back up his elite role as a role player but Brown doesn’t play him it’s mind boggling. Zero chances I trade him for that first I think if we trade him it’s for more proven talent not a pick. They’d include him for Cam Johnson if he’s included to get Portis I’ll personally burn down Golden 1

[raferfenix]

We love Keon stats back up his elite role as a role player but Brown doesn’t play him it’s mind boggling. Zero chances I trade him for that first I think if we trade him it’s for more proven talent not a pick. They’d include him for Cam Johnson if he’s included to get Portis I’ll personally burn down Golden 1

Surprised you like John Collins so much more than Bobby, or am I misunderstanding?

Either way I could imagine full on tanking teams like the Nets / Wizards / Jazz preferring a first to Keon.

In that case the onus would be on the Bucks facilitating to help get Sacramento one of Cam Johnson / Kuzma / Collins or whoever else you’d be targeting.

[BoogieTime]

Watching the Pistons game and it seems Fox wants out as much as I want the team to be assessing his value, but they stubbornly refuse to do so, at least apparently

[BoogieTime]

Watching the Pistons game and it seems Fox wants out as much as I want the team to be assessing his value, but they stubbornly refuse to do so, at least apparently

I apologize for this nightly reaction, but man, he looked like he was not there at all to start

[FarBeyondDriven]

All I know is if you trade Fox, you might as well start the rebuild. Get as many picks as you can, move Sabonis for as many picks as you can right after cause without Fox this team will not be the same (for the worse).

I think it's one way to do it but I think finding centers like Sabonis is really hard. With Carter playing PG and Keegan back to his natural position of SF, and Monk as the 6th man, I think a retool could be in order. I'd also trade Derozan and whoever else along with Fox. If we draft well and develop the young talent we get back in the trade we could return to being at least a fun team to watch as early as next season.

I just think a retool around Sabonis would be the worst decision we could make. I like Carter but building around Carter/Sabonis would be even more difficult than Fox/Sabonis, in my opinion. Carter projects to be a better defender but I can't see him being close to the scorer Fox is and should have the same, if not worse, shooting concerns from deep. You still would need to surround those two with length and defense but you would also need to find a guy who can be your go to scorer that you can give the ball at the end of the game. I just see that core as having the same deficiencies it currently has but with a huge hole at the number 1 option.

Hoping to find that guy before Sabonis deal runs out is not a gamble I would make considering Sabonis presence alone is going to keep us from completely bottoming out. We will be in that same cycle we were with Boogie where we weren't good enough to compete but not bad enough to pick at the top of the draft. If you blow the core up, I think you just do it right and completely blow it up. Move Fox, Sabonis and Derozan for as many young guys and picks as you can. You keep Carter and Keegan around as a foundation but you honestly might have to make a decision on Keegan as well since he's due for a contract soon, and I am still probably one of Keegan's biggest fans on this board.

I think Carter can score 20+ but with his defense and Murray returning to SF and Monk as 6th man, the scoring would be spread out more which keeps everyone engaged. Obviously we'd need to draft some ballers too. All I'm saying is, I'd have some level of excitement watching that team unlike the current one. Just watching Carter and Keegan develop and how they play with Sabonis would be interesting. Plus Monk would have a green light and be happy too. Sabonis is still a very limited center but he's still damn good and capable of playing winning basketball. Maybe he'd take ownership of the team with Fox and DeRozan gone and we'd see everyone rally around each other and be fun again. Just trying to be optimistic about a retool. I'd rather we tore it down to the studs and rebuild with Carter and Keegan but I don't see that happening.

[OxAndFox]

I think it's one way to do it but I think finding centers like Sabonis is really hard. With Carter playing PG and Keegan back to his natural position of SF, and Monk as the 6th man, I think a retool could be in order. I'd also trade Derozan and whoever else along with Fox. If we draft well and develop the young talent we get back in the trade we could return to being at least a fun team to watch as early as next season.

I just think a retool around Sabonis would be the worst decision we could make. I like Carter but building around Carter/Sabonis would be even more difficult than Fox/Sabonis, in my opinion. Carter projects to be a better defender but I can't see him being close to the scorer Fox is and should have the same, if not worse, shooting concerns from deep. You still would need to surround those two with length and defense but you would also need to find a guy who can be your go to scorer that you can give the ball at the end of the game. I just see that core as having the same deficiencies it currently has but with a huge hole at the number 1 option.

Hoping to find that guy before Sabonis deal runs out is not a gamble I would make considering Sabonis presence alone is going to keep us from completely bottoming out. We will be in that same cycle we were with Boogie where we weren't good enough to compete but not bad enough to pick at the top of the draft. If you blow the core up, I think you just do it right and completely blow it up. Move Fox, Sabonis and Derozan for as many young guys and picks as you can. You keep Carter and Keegan around as a foundation but you honestly might have to make a decision on Keegan as well since he's due for a contract soon, and I am still probably one of Keegan's biggest fans on this board.

I think Carter can score 20+ but with his defense and Murray returning to SF and Monk as 6th man, the scoring would be spread out more which keeps everyone engaged. Obviously we'd need to draft some ballers too. All I'm saying is, I'd have some level of excitement watching that team unlike the current one. Just watching Carter and Keegan develop and how they play with Sabonis would be interesting. Plus Monk would have a green light and be happy too. Sabonis is still a very limited center but he's still damn good and capable of playing winning basketball. Maybe he'd take ownership of the team with Fox and DeRozan gone and we'd see everyone rally around each other and be fun again. Just trying to be optimistic about a retool. I'd rather we tore it down to the studs and rebuild with Carter and Keegan but I don't see that happening.

As much as I would love to see Keegan in his rightful role, you don't rebuild with a 24yo in his 3rd season and a 22yo rookie. Get picks and vets in and go back to the draft and stop with this obsession for older rookies.

[JustBuzzin]

LaMelo Ball for Fox straight up yes or no?

[OxAndFox]

LaMelo Ball for Fox straight up yes or no?

I think the Hornets would be foolish to do that. I know LaMelo hasn't been consistently on the court, but if he gets a run at it I would prefer him over Fox.

But we know Monte wouldn't do that trade, LaMelo is taller than 6'5.

[FarBeyondDriven]

I just think a retool around Sabonis would be the worst decision we could make. I like Carter but building around Carter/Sabonis would be even more difficult than Fox/Sabonis, in my opinion. Carter projects to be a better defender but I can't see him being close to the scorer Fox is and should have the same, if not worse, shooting concerns from deep. You still would need to surround those two with length and defense but you would also need to find a guy who can be your go to scorer that you can give the ball at the end of the game. I just see that core as having the same deficiencies it currently has but with a huge hole at the number 1 option.

Hoping to find that guy before Sabonis deal runs out is not a gamble I would make considering Sabonis presence alone is going to keep us from completely bottoming out. We will be in that same cycle we were with Boogie where we weren't good enough to compete but not bad enough to pick at the top of the draft. If you blow the core up, I think you just do it right and completely blow it up. Move Fox, Sabonis and Derozan for as many young guys and picks as you can. You keep Carter and Keegan around as a foundation but you honestly might have to make a decision on Keegan as well since he's due for a contract soon, and I am still probably one of Keegan's biggest fans on this board.

I think Carter can score 20+ but with his defense and Murray returning to SF and Monk as 6th man, the scoring would be spread out more which keeps everyone engaged. Obviously we'd need to draft some ballers too. All I'm saying is, I'd have some level of excitement watching that team unlike the current one. Just watching Carter and Keegan develop and how they play with Sabonis would be interesting. Plus Monk would have a green light and be happy too. Sabonis is still a very limited center but he's still damn good and capable of playing winning basketball. Maybe he'd take ownership of the team with Fox and DeRozan gone and we'd see everyone rally around each other and be fun again. Just trying to be optimistic about a retool. I'd rather we tore it down to the studs and rebuild with Carter and Keegan but I don't see that happening.

As much as I would love to see Keegan in his rightful role, you don't rebuild with a 24yo in his 3rd season and a 22yo rookie. Get picks and vets in and go back to the draft and stop with this obsession for older rookies.

Most championship teams start exactly like this. There's much worse starting points than a two-way PG and two-way wing.

[OxAndFox]

I think Carter can score 20+ but with his defense and Murray returning to SF and Monk as 6th man, the scoring would be spread out more which keeps everyone engaged. Obviously we'd need to draft some ballers too. All I'm saying is, I'd have some level of excitement watching that team unlike the current one. Just watching Carter and Keegan develop and how they play with Sabonis would be interesting. Plus Monk would have a green light and be happy too. Sabonis is still a very limited center but he's still damn good and capable of playing winning basketball. Maybe he'd take ownership of the team with Fox and DeRozan gone and we'd see everyone rally around each other and be fun again. Just trying to be optimistic about a retool. I'd rather we tore it down to the studs and rebuild with Carter and Keegan but I don't see that happening.

As much as I would love to see Keegan in his rightful role, you don't rebuild with a 24yo in his 3rd season and a 22yo rookie. Get picks and vets in and go back to the draft and stop with this obsession for older rookies.

Most championship teams start exactly like this. There's much worse starting points than a two-way PG and two-way wing.

Don't get me wrong, they aren't the worst starting points I absolutely agree. It's just that there is no way, beyond a superstar signing with the Kings and then trading for one in 2-3 years, that either one of those guys are part of a championship in Sacramento. So then the question is, why keep them?
They could get lucky in the draft? Maybe, but not likely.

[SacFanArkansas]

Ok been thinking a lot about what trades or moves if any we would need to solidify our lineup. We seem to be over run with avg to good guards so before you shoot me, think about how this type of trade might help.

1. We trade Fox for a Jabari Smith Jr type player -starting 6’10 young stretch PF, must be a consistant rebounder and avg around 15 or more (basically a Mitch Richmond for Webber) I think even if we move fox we have a decent backcourt in Keon/monk/huerter/maybe Carter

2. Trade Demar/lyles,any other bench players for something like ayton and Murray from Portland.. convince ayton to backup Sabonis and Murray works with his brother to be a strong part of the second unit. Can reallly be a trade with anyone but need a strong center and a good pf/sf over 6’7”

What do we look like with these two trades and are we better

Keon, monk, Murray, Jabari, sabonis
Huerter, Carter, Murray (twin), pf fillin, ayton

Thoughts

[shrink]

If you plan to re-tool, what’s your best offer for Jaden McDaniels?

He’s grown to 6-11, but he’s long and spindly, and still more of a 3 than a 4. Phenomenal point-of-attack defender (All NBA Defense), and exceptional rim defender for a wing. He has scoring potential, but he’s not asked to use it much in MIN (maybe not in SAC either). Started the season bad, but he’s been great over the last month. 24, locked into a full 5-year deal.

There’s no rumors out of MIN that they are trading him, and the Wolves future is assumed to be Ant, McDaniels and Naz Reid. However, as a fan, McDaniels seems to me to be a giant defensive upgrade for the role you’ve put poor Keegan Murray in. He’s not the three point shooter Murray is, but it seems to me that SAC can make up for that, and an elite defender who can run the floor is the biggest need?

EDIT: I saw the ORL deal, and always liked gambling on Isaac, so perhaps a three-way? MIN has nobody to start at center if Rudy goes down.

[Skybox]

Surround Sabonis with defenders who can shoot. DeRozan, Keegan, Carter are all still capable and/or promising.

Maybe a ball-dominant PG wasn't the ideal partner?


Grab a haul for Fox and keep it going