NBA 2017 Draft thread. 5th pick and 10th pick.

[City of Trees]

Vlade has seven 1st round draft picks in three years. I like his strategy cotton lol.

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[dckingsfan]

Bring Bogdanovic and resign Lawson for total of less than 13 mil.

I am guessing that Bogdanovic cannot make much over $3M in Europe.
https://www.talkbasket.net/salaries

I am guessing Lawson is going to go for much less than the MLE. Thinking that 3-4M is fine. And since there is a slew of NBA Free Agent point guards, you don't need to overpay.
http://hoopshype.com/2017/06/15/nba-free-agency-2017-point-guards/

Maybe < $8M total?

And I would have no problem offering Porter the max - it is just going to be matched.

As far as I know the figure that your reference suggests right, and it corresponds to apprx 1.5 mil. USD. But his contract is bargain, way lower than his value. In his team, Udoh and Vesely are getting 3mil USD each. Hence, based on his performance he can find a new contract better than 3mil in Europe. Note that these values are net, that is they are not paying tax or etc. It's mentioned in a recent topic in GB: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1578350.

I think you cannot bring him for less than 7-8 mil., which is fair by considering the market.

Fair is what you can bring him over at - $5M would be about right. Vesley and Udoh would kill for $5M contracts. And I think with the new lower cap even $7M will be overpaying.

[dckingsfan]

You are forgetting Giles in your depth chart. He takes up a roster spot so he needs to be there.

You're right - fixed.

[madskillz8]

I am guessing that Bogdanovic cannot make much over $3M in Europe.
https://www.talkbasket.net/salaries

I am guessing Lawson is going to go for much less than the MLE. Thinking that 3-4M is fine. And since there is a slew of NBA Free Agent point guards, you don't need to overpay.
http://hoopshype.com/2017/06/15/nba-free-agency-2017-point-guards/

Maybe < $8M total?

And I would have no problem offering Porter the max - it is just going to be matched.

As far as I know the figure that your reference suggests right, and it corresponds to apprx 1.5 mil. USD. But his contract is bargain, way lower than his value. In his team, Udoh and Vesely are getting 3mil USD each. Hence, based on his performance he can find a new contract better than 3mil in Europe. Note that these values are net, that is they are not paying tax or etc. It's mentioned in a recent topic in GB: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1578350.

I think you cannot bring him for less than 7-8 mil., which is fair by considering the market.

Fair is what you can bring him over at - $5M would be about right. Vesley and Udoh would kill for $5M contracts.

The thing is 3mil in europe is equivalent to 5-6 mil. of an NBA contract by considering different type of taxes and agent fees as well. By this way Vesely and Udoh are already earning at level of 5-6 mil. NBA contracts.

[SacKingZZZ]

Bogdan has the same wingspan and standing reach. No running jump slightly lower but running jump the same .

That is correct. And since Jackson is 2 inches taller that would mean his frame at the shoulders is wider. More room to put on weight in the right environment.

How does that follow? It may well be true but it's more likely the shorter guy with the same wingspan has the couple inches wider back leading to the same wingspan.

I think you're spot on. Bogdan gets some of his wingspan from his broad shoulders. I posted a shot of him and Bojan Bogdanovic standing together and it was clear he's got wide shoulders. Jackson obviously gets most of his length from his arms, he's got very narrow shoulders. Super long arms though.

[SacKingZZZ]

Bring Bogdanovic and resign Lawson for total of less than 13 mil.

I am guessing that Bogdanovic cannot make much over $3M in Europe.
https://www.talkbasket.net/salaries

I am guessing Lawson is going to go for much less than the MLE. Thinking that 3-4M is fine. And since there is a slew of NBA Free Agent point guards, you don't need to overpay.
http://hoopshype.com/2017/06/15/nba-free-agency-2017-point-guards/

Maybe < $8M total?

And I would have no problem offering Porter the max - it is just going to be matched.

I would be a bit surprised if they brought back Lawson. I haven't heard anything either way but I'm doubtful of him being in their plans.

[dckingsfan]

As far as I know the figure that your reference suggests right, and it corresponds to apprx 1.5 mil. USD. But his contract is bargain, way lower than his value. In his team, Udoh and Vesely are getting 3mil USD each. Hence, based on his performance he can find a new contract better than 3mil in Europe. Note that these values are net, that is they are not paying tax or etc. It's mentioned in a recent topic in GB: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1578350.

I think you cannot bring him for less than 7-8 mil., which is fair by considering the market.

Fair is what you can bring him over at - $5M would be about right. Vesley and Udoh would kill for $5M contracts.

The thing is 3mil in europe is equivalent to 5-6 mil. of an NBA contract by considering different type of taxes and agent fees as well. By this way Vesely and Udoh are already earning at level of 5-6 mil. NBA contracts.

Yep, 3M = 5.3M. But he is making 1.5 which equals $2.67M. He would take the $5. If you want to offer 5.5, fine. But not 7 or 8.

[SacKingZZZ]

Fair is what you can bring him over at - $5M would be about right. Vesley and Udoh would kill for $5M contracts.

The thing is 3mil in europe is equivalent to 5-6 mil. of an NBA contract by considering different type of taxes and agent fees as well. By this way Vesely and Udoh are already earning at level of 5-6 mil. NBA contracts.

Yep, 3M = 5.3M. But he is making 1.5 which equals $2.67M. He would take the $5. If you want to offer 5.5, fine. But not 7 or 8.

Isn't Fener going to offer him a bigger deal though? They just paid 10 million to Anthony Tolliver for one year of work. If I'm Bogdan's agent I'm like WTF if they offered half what he got.

[dckingsfan]

The thing is 3mil in europe is equivalent to 5-6 mil. of an NBA contract by considering different type of taxes and agent fees as well. By this way Vesely and Udoh are already earning at level of 5-6 mil. NBA contracts.

Yep, 3M = 5.3M. But he is making 1.5 which equals $2.67M. He would take the $5. If you want to offer 5.5, fine. But not 7 or 8.

Isn't Fener going to offer him a bigger deal though? They just paid 10 million to Anthony Tolliver for one year of work. If I'm Bogdan's agent I'm like WTF if they offered half what he got.

I think Fenerbahce budget is €23M. They just upped the contracts of Nikola Kalinic, Luigi Datome and Kostas Slouka. The most they would offer him would be €2 maybe 2.5. So, if you come in at $5 - you are good.

[SacKingZZZ]

Yep, 3M = 5.3M. But he is making 1.5 which equals $2.67M. He would take the $5. If you want to offer 5.5, fine. But not 7 or 8.

Isn't Fener going to offer him a bigger deal though? They just paid 10 million to Anthony Tolliver for one year of work. If I'm Bogdan's agent I'm like WTF if they offered half what he got.

I think Fenerbahce budget is €23M. They just upped the contracts of Nikola Kalinic, Luigi Datome and Kostas Slouka. The most they would offer him would be €2 maybe 2.5. So, if you come in at $5 - you are good.

Ooh, nice. I'm still OK with a bit of an overpay just to show him they do value him more than Aaron Afflalo.

[madskillz8]

Yep, 3M = 5.3M. But he is making 1.5 which equals $2.67M. He would take the $5. If you want to offer 5.5, fine. But not 7 or 8.

Isn't Fener going to offer him a bigger deal though? They just paid 10 million to Anthony Tolliver for one year of work. If I'm Bogdan's agent I'm like WTF if they offered half what he got.

I think Fenerbahce budget is €23M. They just upped the contracts of Nikola Kalinic, Luigi Datome and Kostas Slouka. The most they would offer him would be €2 maybe 2.5. So, if you come in at $5 - you are good.

Fenerbahce, which is mainly a soccer club, is just giving lots of money to basketball that they can get back to be succesful against their rivals in Turkey. Even their women's team got Taurasi and other best players of the world, while Turkey is the one of the countries with lowest income in Europe .

They just cannot compete with each other, I mean other big clubs in Turkey. So they try to beat each other in other areas with lower budgets: basketball and volleyball

[PetrieUnderstudy]

Why should we sign 10M+ for a 30 years old SF by giving him starting job (dont expect that he will accept backup role for a lottery team), who is not expected to offer a special veteran leadership? He's in his prime, so he can help this young team to win some additional games. This means a worse seed in lottery. On the other hand it's very likely that he wouldn't be a core part of the team when we start to contend. Lose-lose IMO. I'd rather prefer to gamble on Porter given we have a cap space for even more than 2 max, even though it seems like Wizard will match any offer for him. Even if he cannot develop his current performance and will give what he gives this year we can live with it. Fox as a first option and Hield, Skal, Porter.

I understand the age concern but I more concerned about style of play. If we're building a culture on and off the court we need the right guys (i.e. Spurs). The whole team doesn't have to be 24 and under. We aren't getting Otto and we need a SF. He would be a great mentor like Temple on how to be a professional and play the right way. He will make the team better because he can shoot, pass, dribble, and defend. I'm ok with that because I'd like the young guys to be in a competitive environment and ideally make run for playoffs in 2018-19. I believe Vlade is thinking the same thing when he said evaluate me in 2 years. The Kings aren't looking to tank next year and I'm happy about that. Make sound personnel decisions and I think Ingles is one.

Even though I accept most of your arguments, I just do not see why Joe Ingles would be a great mentor. I'm a fan of his play from Maccabi and Barca days, and happy to see him adjusted his play to NBA even though being non-athletic forward but, he's not what we need I think. I'd rather have Tolliver as a locker room leader. Yes we need a SF but we can still get Deng as a bad contract with a future asset and he can good give us good backup minutes as a SF and a small ball PF while providing a great veteran presence.

When you say mentor it doesn't necessarily mean he needs to be a verbal leader. Just being a professional and playing basketball the right way. I'd be OK with bringing Tolliver back if we don't target JaMychal Green.

Initially sounds nice about getting a future asset by taking Deng's atrocious contract but Deng is done and I'm not interested especially at $54 million over the next 3 years. $18 million per year is a lot for a guy that is a shell of his former self and shot 30.9% from 3 and 38.7% from the field last year. For his career he's a 33.2% 3 point shooter. At least when he was younger he was a good defender but injuries and age have caught up with him and a future asset is not worth that albatross of a contract.

I'd love for the Kings to pick up Crowder to free cap space for Celtics to sign Hayward, Griffin, etc. Crowder has a bargain contract of $21.9 million over the next 3 years. He's only 26 and would start for us at $7 million per but I can see why Ainge doesn't want to trade him at that value. But if Celtics really want to make free agent splash they may have no other choice plus they have Brown and now Tatum on cheaper contracts that are younger with more upside. Just a name the Kings to keep their eye on.

Otto Porter isn't coming to the Kings (and I'm not sure he's worth max anyway) and if you look around the league at free agent SF's who's there? In my opinion Ingles is the best option. He shot 44.1% from 3 last year, did an outstanding job guarding JJ Redick in the playoffs, and had an 11 assist game in that series. He'll cost half of what Otto Porter would and significantly less than Deng. He's 29 now and doesn't rely on athleticism so he could be bench contributor even at an older age.

Other guys on the market are Durant and Hayward (not obtainable), Gallinari (double $ of Ingles and injury prone), Iguodala (old and mutually not interested), Rudy Gay (been there), PJ Tucker (eh), Roberson (I'd consider him but terrible shooter), James Johnson (I'd consider him but believe he had bad things to say about time in Sac), Jonathon Simmons (he'd be a top target for me but more $ than Ingles), Bojan Bogdanovic (I'd consider him), Tony Snell (maybe), Muhammad (ball hog), CJ Miles (maybe, probably looking at contenders), Jeff Green (underachieves), Beasley (head case), Casspi (Joerger for whatever reason didn't like him), Dante Cunningham (eh), Matt Barnes (who knows Joerger loves him but old and character), Gerald Green (head case), Grant (unpolished), Babbitt (local but can only shoot), Troy Williams (young guy to take a flier on), McDaniels (hasn't shown much but has received love in this forum), Metta Ron Ron Artest World Peace (haha).

My rankings (realistic options):
1. Ingles
2. Simmons
3. Bogdanovic
4. Troy Williams

[VeganKingsFan]

I think Vlade just keeps available for teams who need to relieve cap and take advantage of having our cap space. Filling it with middling free agents who don't fit into our long term plans is exactly what they are avoiding. I'm sure we're looking for future picks and possibly decent players that teams need to clear for space for their free agent targets. I could only see them throwing offers at good, really young players like Otto Porter, KCP, and Roberson but it's unlikely we get any of them anyways. Even if we don't gain enough salary to reach the floor, we have the trade deadline to get up to it just like the 76ers have done. I really want to see our young guys play. We have enough young guys who can play good minutes that we won't have to rush anyone who isn't ready. Bogdanovic is mentally ready to play as many minutes as necessary, and so are WCS, Hield, Skal, Temple, Koufos (if we keep him- they might wait until trade deadline to trade him so that Harry Giles can get some minutes at the end of the season) and even Frank Mason who is 23 and tough. Papagiannis, Malachi, Justin Jackson and Fox aren't players who can't handle some minutes too. There are a lot of young players who need minutes and really none of them are projects who aren't ready to play some minutes. I don't see a need to take away their playing time when none of them are going to be forced into big minutes.

[VeganKingsFan]

I like that we have players with star potential. Not saying they will be stars, but it's conceivable that Skal can develop into a star, Hield surprises and becomes a star because of his work ethic and amazing shooting, Harry Giles keeps getting healthy and regains what made him the best player in his class, Frank Mason becomes an Isaiah Thomas who dunks on people and plays tough defense, or De'Aaron Fox (the most likely star) lives up to his John Wall comp. WCS could even surprise us by continuing to develop and Bogdanovic could play like he did for Fenerbhachi in the tournament. We have no idea what the young, big and skilled Papa G can turn into. I'm not saying these are likely scenarios, but there's a lot to be excited about.

[benchmobbin02]

The bad get worst. New Knick Frank Ntilikina hurt his knee in his first practice.

[enderwilson]

I like that we have players with star potential. Not saying they will be stars, but it's conceivable that Skal can develop into a star, Hield surprises and becomes a star because of his work ethic and amazing shooting, Harry Giles keeps getting healthy and regains what made him the best player in his class, Frank Mason becomes an Isaiah Thomas who dunks on people and plays tough defense, or De'Aaron Fox (the most likely star) lives up to his John Wall comp. WCS could even surprise us by continuing to develop and Bogdanovic could play like he did for Fenerbhachi in the tournament. We have no idea what the young, big and skilled Papa G can turn into. I'm not saying these are likely scenarios, but there's a lot to be excited about.

Yes, we definitely have a nice mix of players that are quite a ways from reaching their peak.

[benchmobbin02]

Thought I'd drop off my list of guys we worked out that I collected. May not be complete as we learned of a few guys we had come thru in "secret" haha...

Matt Jones Duke
Przemek Karnowski Gonzaga
Johnathan Motley Balyor
Jeremy Senglin Weber St
Sindardius Thornwell SC
John Collins WF
Kobi Simmons AZ
Derrick Walton Mich
Troy Caupain Cin
TJ CLine Richmond
Jacob Wiley E Wash
Reggie Upshaw M Tenn
Ivan Rabb Cal
Isaiah Briscoe UK
Frank Mason Kan
Isaac Hamilton UCLA
Canyon Barry FL
homas Bryant Ind
Kamari Murphy MIA
Tyler Dorsey ORE
Nate Britt UNC
Dylan Ennis ORE
Ike Iroegbu Wash St
Xavier Rathan Mayes FL St
Josh Hart Villa
Zach Collins Gonz
Joe Rahon St Marys
Milton Doyle Loyola
Semi Ojeleye SMU
Rashawn Thomas Tex AM
Eric Mika BYU
Matt Williams C FL
Jarrett Allen Tex
Donavan Mitchell Louis
Dominique Hawkins UK
Caleb Swanigan Purdue
Cameron Oliver Nev
Erik McCree Lou Tech
Jabari Bird Cal
Harry Giles Duke
Jordan Bell ORE
Justin Jackson NC
Devin Robinson FL
Kyle Kuzma UTA
London Perrantes Virgina
Moses Kingsley Ark
Luke Petrasek Columbia
Jordan Washington Iona
Seth Allen VT
Tyler Cavanaugh GW
James Balckmon Ind
Jamel Artis Pitt
JJ Frazier Georgia
Luke Kornet Vandy
Mangok MAthiang Louisville
Monte Morris Iowa St
Corey Sander Rut
Naz Mitrou Long Iowa St
Brynton Lemar UC Davis
Wesley Iwundu Kan St
Landen Lucas Kan
Eric Mika BYU
Tai Webster Neb
DeAaron Fox UK

[City of Trees]

Isaac looks very impressive

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[PetrieUnderstudy]

Isaac looks very impressive

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I'll say two things. One he isn't a King. Two it's Summer League, Donte Greene scored 40 once.

[City of Trees]

I'll say two things. One he isn't a King. Two it's Summer League, Donte Greene scored 40 once.

How Isaac performs is relevant because he went one pick later. But that's for down the road I just figured most here liked him during the draft process so it would be harmless to follow up on recent draft targets.

As for his performance I couldn't tell you how many points he scored what impressed me was how he scored. I'm not concerned with volume or usage in SL, show me what tools you have in the bag and Isaac showed me something today.



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