Cousins demanded a trade(Other fans: Stop proposing trades)

[bjax24]

If you deal DMC then you will piss off a huge ammount of fans the KINGS need to sell tickets to keep the KINGS in SAC . Message to PW . DMC sells tickets you do not !
PW you are the weakest link ! "GOODBYE"

Why is that? DMC hasn't done anything useful yet. He shot 43% last year as a 6'11" 270lb frontcourt player. He should be shooting 55%+. Why is that? Because he was settling for too many jump shots. 61% of his shots were jump shots which is crazy. He shot 54% from close range where most of his shots should be. But he needs to learn the game and learn how to get position and be patient. But hes too much of a petulant child for that.

He's shooting 32% this year albeit with a small sample size. He hasn't learned how to play without fouling. He's racked up 16 fouls in 83 minutes of play. Also, when Cousins was on the court the Kings were worse off according to 82games.com.

Cousins isn't a leader and isn't even a good player. He's got the skills no doubt but he doesnt have the mindset of a professional or even an adult. Until he gets that hes not someone the Kings or any other team can build around. As I said, the best thing for Cousins is to go to a team with strong veterans who can check him. The Celtics, the Heat, the Spurs, the Mavericks, they can help him.

ARE YOU SERIOUS ?

DMC is one of the most popular players on the Kings in terms of fan base etc. along with Tyreke , Jimmer & M.Thorton I would have to say . Yes DMC sells tickets for many he is their favorite player . DMC has 1 very key element the Kings has sorely lacked for alot of years and that is toughness and a solid interier presence we hadnt really had that since C-WEBB & VLADE .

DMC has star power . Their are very few players his size with his type of NBA skillset that come into the leauge . It is far more rarer to have a young bigman come into the leauge with his talent and show how good he actually is than the smaller positional players .

Alot of people who critisize DMC are the same ones that would love to have him on their team and flip the script from bashing him to all of a sudden defending him .Their are 29 other teams in the NBA that would love to have him .

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[dozencousins]

ARE YOU SERIOUS ?

DMC is one of the most popular players on the Kings in terms of fan base etc. along with Tyreke , Jimmer & M.Thorton I would have to say . Yes DMC sells tickets for many he is their favorite player . DMC has 1 very key element the Kings has sorely lacked for alot of years and that is toughness and a solid interier presence we hadnt really had that since C-WEBB & VLADE .

DMC has star power . Their are very few players his size with his type of NBA skillset that come into the leauge . It is far more rarer to have a young bigman come into the leauge with his talent and show how good he actually is than the smaller positional players .

Alot of people who critisize DMC are the same ones that would love to have him on their team and flip the script from bashing him to all of a sudden defending him .Their are 29 other teams in the NBA that would love to have him .[/quote]


u just named the whole team as a fan favorite.

Jimmer already has more fans than cousins and so does evans

he is 3rd on the totem pole

you are the weakest link *goodbye*[/quote]


I named 4 players I guess you cant count ? Just about all teams have 3 or 4 popular players I guess you never knew that ?
Go drink your hater aide somewhere's else .

[dozencousins]

ARE YOU SERIOUS ?

DMC is one of the most popular players on the Kings in terms of fan base etc. along with Tyreke , Jimmer & M.Thorton I would have to say . Yes DMC sells tickets for many he is their favorite player . DMC has 1 very key element the Kings has sorely lacked for alot of years and that is toughness and a solid interier presence we hadnt really had that since C-WEBB & VLADE .

DMC has star power . Their are very few players his size with his type of NBA skillset that come into the leauge . It is far more rarer to have a young bigman come into the leauge with his talent and show how good he actually is than the smaller positional players .

Alot of people who critisize DMC are the same ones that would love to have him on their team and flip the script from bashing him to all of a sudden defending him .Their are 29 other teams in the NBA that would love to have him .[/quote]

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How does this apply to me ?

[Ballings7]

John Greig, agent for DeMarcus Cousins, and Paul Westphal are at odds on whether DeMarcus Cousins has requested a trade.

Cousins and Westphal had another shouting match with in the coach’s office, which led to the second-year big man to be asked to stay home from Sunday's game.

Greig contends that Cousins hasn't asked for a trade, but he was overheard by teammates saying the opposite.

“Trade me now,” Cousins was heard to yell after Saturday’s loss to the Knicks, a source told Y! Sports.

Kings co-owner Joe Maloof and general manager Geoff Petrie said they will not trade Cousins, regardless of his wishes.

“We’re happy that he’s a King,” Maloof told Y! Sports. “But when a coach asks you to do something, you got to do it. We’re not trading him. …We have great expectations for him. It’s just one of those things that happens.

“Sooner or later he’ll understand what the NBA is about. Just get along with people. That’s all.”

Teams interested in Cousins have called the Kings, but none believes the team will seriously consider trading him so early in his career.

“Once you saw that release only came from Westphal, that was a telltale sign that this was a coach venting and not a call to the league by management and ownership that they were trading Cousins,” one Eastern Conference executive told Y! Sports.

Cousins has been a difficult teammate to play with.

“He’s selfish,” one source close to the team said of Cousins. “He’s always angry or clowning. He needs to change. The Kings have been great about covering things up for him, and his agent has been protecting him.

“He’s always miserable. He acts like he’s entitled.”

Some players are frustrated with his lack of professionalism.

“He’s a bully, and they let him get away with it,” one source said. “No one wants to deal with the guy.”

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... de_Cousins



Cousins is worth the trouble, clearly the coach isn't a young players coach and isn't utilizing or directing the team as well as somebody else could. An adjusted voice is needed, I'd say. Westphal's probably not going to change his ways.

[Nanogeek]

If you deal DMC then you will piss off a huge ammount of fans the KINGS need to sell tickets to keep the KINGS in SAC . Message to PW . DMC sells tickets you do not !
PW you are the weakest link ! "GOODBYE"

Why is that? DMC hasn't done anything useful yet. He shot 43% last year as a 6'11" 270lb frontcourt player. He should be shooting 55%+. Why is that? Because he was settling for too many jump shots. 61% of his shots were jump shots which is crazy. He shot 54% from close range where most of his shots should be. But he needs to learn the game and learn how to get position and be patient. But hes too much of a petulant child for that.

He's shooting 32% this year albeit with a small sample size. He hasn't learned how to play without fouling. He's racked up 16 fouls in 83 minutes of play. Also, when Cousins was on the court the Kings were worse off according to 82games.com.

Cousins isn't a leader and isn't even a good player. He's got the skills no doubt but he doesnt have the mindset of a professional or even an adult. Until he gets that hes not someone the Kings or any other team can build around. As I said, the best thing for Cousins is to go to a team with strong veterans who can check him. The Celtics, the Heat, the Spurs, the Mavericks, they can help him.

ARE YOU SERIOUS ?

DMC is one of the most popular players on the Kings in terms of fan base etc. along with Tyreke , Jimmer & M.Thorton I would have to say . Yes DMC sells tickets for many he is their favorite player . DMC has 1 very key element the Kings has sorely lacked for alot of years and that is toughness and a solid interier presence we hadnt really had that since C-WEBB & VLADE .

You never addressed my point which is he isn't a good player right now. Cousins can't hold a candle right now to Webber. That isn't even a sensible comparison.

DMC has star power . Their are very few players his size with his type of NBA skillset that come into the leauge .

What skillset? Shoot less than 45% from the field? Foul at a clip of 9 fouls per 48 minutes?

Here's what others said from the RealGM article:

“He’s selfish,” one source close to the team said of Cousins. “He’s always angry or clowning. He needs to change. The Kings have been great about covering things up for him, and his agent has been protecting him.

“He’s always miserable. He acts like he’s entitled.”

Some players are frustrated with his lack of professionalism.

“He’s a bully, and they let him get away with it,” one source said. “No one wants to deal with the guy.”

Like I said - the guy isn't a leader, he's not an all-star, he can't even be a starter with his foul rate.

Alot of people who critisize DMC are the same ones that would love to have him on their team and flip the script from bashing him to all of a sudden defending him .Their are 29 other teams in the NBA that would love to have him .

Most teams wouldn't want Cousins if they had to give up much for him because he's very dubious. A team with strong veterans would value him because the veterans could slap some sense into him.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

Good to hear that he's traveling with the team to Memphis. I'm not a doctor but with what I've read and from my own personal experiences very similar to DeMarcus' I think he needs to be on medication. I'm being serious, not trying to be funny. He has signs of depression and chemical imbalance. Anti-depressant medication may be what he needs. That's private information but I wonder if the Kings have looked into this as an option.

[dozencousins]

Septhaka :

Your ignorance is just shining through !

Cousins is a stud player . I never said he was as good as C-WEBB . I said since C-WEBB & VLADE we really hadnt had a player with t heir type of presence in the middle . You have no point . Yes all 29 other teams would be salivating at the opportunity to aquire him without a doubt .
You are the exact type of fan I refer to all the time you would bash a guy like COUSINS all day long and twice in Sunday but then have him on your team and all of a sudden you would sing his praises .
I do agree he needs a veteran or 2 were he could respect that can help him grow but that has been obvious since day 1. We all know that . Never said he was a leader but he is a strong force and is exactly the type of guy we need in the middle . In the middle he is an enforcer and his presence is huge in every game . He is a starter and would be a starter on most other teams .

[83SixersRocked]

Good to hear that he's traveling with the team to Memphis. I'm not a doctor but with what I've read and from my own personal experiences very similar to DeMarcus' I think he needs to be on medication. I'm being serious, not trying to be funny. He has signs of depression and chemical imbalance. Anti-depressant medication may be what he needs. That's private information but I wonder if the Kings have looked into this as an option.

It's always dangerous to pose those kinds of things, and we'd never know anyway; it's more than private, it's as much as a 50k fine for disclosure.

[mnWI]

DeMarcus DID demand a trade, and in a very colorful way. The only two people who think DMC isn't at fault in this whole thing are DeMarcus and John Greig.

[pillwenney]

If you deal DMC then you will piss off a huge ammount of fans the KINGS need to sell tickets to keep the KINGS in SAC . Message to PW . DMC sells tickets you do not !
PW you are the weakest link ! "GOODBYE"

Why is that? DMC hasn't done anything useful yet. He shot 43% last year as a 6'11" 270lb frontcourt player. He should be shooting 55%+. Why is that? Because he was settling for too many jump shots. 61% of his shots were jump shots which is crazy. He shot 54% from close range where most of his shots should be. But he needs to learn the game and learn how to get position and be patient. But hes too much of a petulant child for that.

He's shooting 32% this year albeit with a small sample size. He hasn't learned how to play without fouling. He's racked up 16 fouls in 83 minutes of play. Also, when Cousins was on the court the Kings were worse off according to 82games.com.

Cousins isn't a leader and isn't even a good player. He's got the skills no doubt but he doesnt have the mindset of a professional or even an adult. Until he gets that hes not someone the Kings or any other team can build around. As I said, the best thing for Cousins is to go to a team with strong veterans who can check him. The Celtics, the Heat, the Spurs, the Mavericks, they can help him.

Dude, you don't watch the games. You should probably stop acting like you do. The low FG% really isn't because he takes jumpers. It's because he tries to finish through stationary (often multiple) defenders all the time. This also accounts for his high turnovers. He's very unselfish before he makes his move, but once he makes his move, he really struggles with tunnel vision.

He's not a great player right now, but it's not about that. You seem to forget that he's 21. He will mature and he will get better. He's too talented not to. Pointing at somebody's numbers when they're 21 and less mature than other 21-year-olds, and acting like that alone is a representation of the player's value, is ridiculous.

[bjax24]

My looks at signature thing was directed at sepethka

[pillwenney]

I don't know if I agree.

I think if a proper coach with a proper system that actually knows what he's doing and can gain the respect of Demarcus as a player comes by - I honestly think the problems will become more and more minor.

I again think, that this is just everything to do with Paul and the way he handles himself and the team, both on and off the court.

Basically if you read/hear what our players say regarding this, it can be translated imo as : "he just needs to learn that even if the coach sucks and has no clue what he's doing, and even if the system is a mess with an absolute clown at helm controling it and we're all being led like blind sheep to slaughter practically making no progress at all as a team or as individuals - he needs to be quiet about it and not tell the truth as it is"

Which is right on one hand as he is extremely immature in how he express himself and needs to be more of a pro - but wrong on the other, as it seems people NEED him to do this stuff so they can wake the hell up and send this poor excuse of a coach back to the retirement center, cause it seems like they're content with being led towards a oblivion which is ridiculous.

It's like everyone is trying thier best to avoid the huge Elephant in the room and only Demarcus refuses not to.

Again it's not that I fully support him in all the stuff he does cause i'm surely not and he is extremely immature and cannot hold himself back and it has to change to atleast a decent enough level - but on the macro of things and where he's coming from with his complaints, I fully agree and support what he is saying, and thinks he should speak his mind cause it seems thats the only way to force people to discuss and talk about it.

Dude, this is pretty ridiculous. Look at the articles. Look at what others around the league say about him. Westphal has one a crap job with some of this, but over all, the problem is Demarcus. Everything we're seeing and hearing indicates this.

[dozencousins]

My looks at signature thing was directed at sepethka

okay thanks

[KF10]

Here is what I see from all of this:

Cousins has proven himself over and over again why he dropped to #5 in the 2010 NBA Draft. Dude is immature and the recent actions only strengthens the case why he was dropped in the first place. Like someone said earlier, he wears his emotion on his sleeves but sometimes that same emotion can be negative and hindrance for the team. Cousins has to grow up. Period.

Westphal is part of the blame too. Not only I think he handled this situation wrong, Westphal clearly does not know how to handle strong personalities like Cousins. Westphal is strong-headed and stubborn as they come when any player challenges him. There is numerous historical examples of this during every tenure he coached.

It's pretty sad to see to adults acting like babies. Both have to make up and play (coach) basketball.

[pillwenney]

Cowbell Kingdom's podcast with Amick: http://www.cowbellkingdom.com/2012/01/0 ... situation/

Seriously guys, this is on Demarcus. Some of you guys really need to stop living in denial.

[twix2500]

SMH why does being immature mean he need meds, It could be just his upbringing. My question to you guys is his talent worth dealing with his attitude. I like Demarcus Cousins talent, but his talent is not of the level of the Tim Duncans, Shaq and Zos. Does being a very good player warrent investing a coaching staff just to deal with his difficult personality. Where do you draw the line?

[pillwenney]

If we're just talking talent, I'd say he's certainly at least close to Duncan and Zo. But the other stuff makes him not nearly as good of a player.

[vannzee]

Andray Blatche and a first (likely a high first) for Cousins?

[LeBron's Time]

Westphal is part of the blame too. Not only I think he handled this situation wrong, Westphal clearly does not know how to handle strong personalities like Cousins. Westphal is strong-headed and stubborn as they come when any player challenges him. There is numerous historical examples of this during every tenure he coached.

spencer hawes now averaging 12/12 under coach doug collins. paul westphal offensive system sucks bigtime (no ball movement, anyone can take shots using individual talents). imagine how good DMC on the right coach with good system.

[Silver Man]

Andray Blatche and a first (likely a high first) for Cousins?

It's been said many times in the thread, not the place for offers, and he's not being traded.