Kings Off-Season

[blind prophet]

Id call for Joerger's job if he starts Shumpert over Bogie and Buddy.

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Why?

We need defense on the first rotation and off the bench. One of Temple or Shump will probably be on the floor.

Also think Joerger, if you think he's gonna play all the young fellas, well

So the Kings draft Doncic. If Temple OR Shumpert start over Bogie or Buddy I am 100% withdrawing all support for Joerger. That is my line.

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Buddy looked good in a 6th man role.

Who's going to help facilitate off the bench?

I think the key here is to always have one of either Doncic or Bogs on the floor. Shump & Temple probably only get 20 minutes a night.

[sacking123]

Let's say the Kings draft Luka Dončić at 2.

What is the Kings' plan for the offseason?

To me, I don't see Fox starting off the bench -- so he's an undisputed starter at 1.

That means 2, 3, 4, 5 spots are up for grabs. With Luka Dončić, what kind of players would we surround him. We have Fox at the 1. I would like to think we put as much shooters as we can around Fox & Dončić . Would Joerger insert Bogdanović in the starting lineup with Fox & Dončić? Or would he put Buddy in the starting lineup? Let's say he decides to keep Buddy on the bench as the 6th man.

So, that leaves the 4 & 5 positions open. Do the Kings search a 4 or a 5 via the FA?

If we go with a more shooting lineup, I really like Aaron Gordon at the 4 and roll the dice with Harry Giles at the 5. Willie has had his chances to solidify his spot at 5 but he hasn't. Skal kind of stagnated last season and he's more of a question mark than I originally thought.

I really think we have to look for someone in the offseason to fill the hole at either the 4 or at the 5.

So, my potential lineup:

De'Aaron Fox
Luka Dončić
Bogdan Bogdanović
Aaron Gordon
Harry Giles

You really hope that Fox & Dončić improve their 3PT shot over the summer and the biggest hope is that both of those guys are really competent shooters from that range by the time the next season starts.

I'm not looking for a 40%+ 3PT clip but more of a mid-30's at the very least. I believe both players can do that. If so, everyone except Giles have range from 3PT. This is would be the most ideal situation.

I think you're onto it with Fox, Doncic, Bogdanovic (on a side note I think Buddy does have to move into the starting line up at some stage or trade him).
When we are looking at the 4/5 I am going to throw it out there why not swing for the fences and go for Gordon's team mate, Jonathan Isaac?
WCS/JJ or Skal/Temple + 37 for Isaac/Augustin. Probably not enough value, but still I think he is the guy. Wonder if they would do it by ridding themselves completely of Biz or Ross?
I'm sure Orlando wouldn't be willing to give up on him just yet, however if they sign Gordon maybe they think something like this gives them a deeper bucket of talent added with salary relief.
Isaac fits in perfectly with our youth program, Augustin is on the books for a further year also saving the Magic some coin before extending WCS.


Future line up
Fox
Bogdanovic
Doncic
Isaac
Giles

I still think Randolph starts a decent portion of games next season, hopefully not from the beginning of the season, but just for a week here and there to give rest.
I would love this to be our line-up come opening night.
Fox/Augustin/Mason
Bogdanovic/Buddy/FA Vet
Doncic/Shumpert/JaKarr
Isaac/Randolph/Skal
Giles/Koufas/Cooley

[KF10]

I think you're onto it with Fox, Doncic, Bogdanovic (on a side note I think Buddy does have to move into the starting line up at some stage or trade him).
When we are looking at the 4/5 I am going to throw it out there why not swing for the fences and go for Gordon's team mate, Jonathan Isaac?
WCS/JJ or Skal/Temple + 37 for Isaac/Augustin. Probably not enough value, but still I think he is the guy. Wonder if they would do it by ridding themselves completely of Biz or Ross?
I'm sure Orlando wouldn't be willing to give up on him just yet, however if they sign Gordon maybe they think something like this gives them a deeper bucket of talent added with salary relief.
Isaac fits in perfectly with our youth program, Augustin is on the books for a further year also saving the Magic some coin before extending WCS.


Future line up
Fox
Bogdanovic
Doncic
Isaac
Giles

I still think Randolph starts a decent portion of games next season, hopefully not from the beginning of the season, but just for a week here and there to give rest.
I would love this to be our line-up come opening night.
Fox/Augustin/Mason
Bogdanovic/Buddy/FA Vet
Doncic/Shumpert/JaKarr
Isaac/Randolph/Skal
Giles/Koufas/Cooley

I highly doubt Orlando will give up Isaac for that package.

[sacking123]

I think you're onto it with Fox, Doncic, Bogdanovic (on a side note I think Buddy does have to move into the starting line up at some stage or trade him).
When we are looking at the 4/5 I am going to throw it out there why not swing for the fences and go for Gordon's team mate, Jonathan Isaac?
WCS/JJ or Skal/Temple + 37 for Isaac/Augustin. Probably not enough value, but still I think he is the guy. Wonder if they would do it by ridding themselves completely of Biz or Ross?
I'm sure Orlando wouldn't be willing to give up on him just yet, however if they sign Gordon maybe they think something like this gives them a deeper bucket of talent added with salary relief.
Isaac fits in perfectly with our youth program, Augustin is on the books for a further year also saving the Magic some coin before extending WCS.


Future line up
Fox
Bogdanovic
Doncic
Isaac
Giles

I still think Randolph starts a decent portion of games next season, hopefully not from the beginning of the season, but just for a week here and there to give rest.
I would love this to be our line-up come opening night.
Fox/Augustin/Mason
Bogdanovic/Buddy/FA Vet
Doncic/Shumpert/JaKarr
Isaac/Randolph/Skal
Giles/Koufas/Cooley

I highly doubt Orlando will give up Isaac for that package.

Yeah they wouldn't for the original, I just wonder if the salary of Biz was completely wiped off for them. Trying to get value somewhere, just running out of assets.

[BoogieTime]

Why?

We need defense on the first rotation and off the bench. One of Temple or Shump will probably be on the floor.

Also think Joerger, if you think he's gonna play all the young fellas, well

So the Kings draft Doncic. If Temple OR Shumpert start over Bogie or Buddy I am 100% withdrawing all support for Joerger. That is my line.

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Buddy looked good in a 6th man role.

Who's going to help facilitate off the bench?

I think the key here is to always have one of either Doncic or Bogs on the floor. Shump & Temple probably only get 20 minutes a night.

Buddy looked good off the bench, but doesn’t mean he’s not a quality starting player who doesn’t want to come off the bench long term

[blind prophet]

I think it's gonna be hard for JJ next season too. Too much clutter. Would be nice if we could deal some of the vets but they are all on inflated salary.

[codydaze]

I think you're onto it with Fox, Doncic, Bogdanovic (on a side note I think Buddy does have to move into the starting line up at some stage or trade him).
When we are looking at the 4/5 I am going to throw it out there why not swing for the fences and go for Gordon's team mate, Jonathan Isaac?
WCS/JJ or Skal/Temple + 37 for Isaac/Augustin. Probably not enough value, but still I think he is the guy. Wonder if they would do it by ridding themselves completely of Biz or Ross?
I'm sure Orlando wouldn't be willing to give up on him just yet, however if they sign Gordon maybe they think something like this gives them a deeper bucket of talent added with salary relief.
Isaac fits in perfectly with our youth program, Augustin is on the books for a further year also saving the Magic some coin before extending WCS.


Future line up
Fox
Bogdanovic
Doncic
Isaac
Giles

I still think Randolph starts a decent portion of games next season, hopefully not from the beginning of the season, but just for a week here and there to give rest.
I would love this to be our line-up come opening night.
Fox/Augustin/Mason
Bogdanovic/Buddy/FA Vet
Doncic/Shumpert/JaKarr
Isaac/Randolph/Skal
Giles/Koufas/Cooley

I keep seeing Kings fans say this but I seriously do not understand the line of thinking. Why would you not want Buddy coming off the bench as a sixth man who gets 30 minutes a night? That would be a luxury, why ship him out? It makes no sense.

[BoogieTime]

I think you're onto it with Fox, Doncic, Bogdanovic (on a side note I think Buddy does have to move into the starting line up at some stage or trade him).
When we are looking at the 4/5 I am going to throw it out there why not swing for the fences and go for Gordon's team mate, Jonathan Isaac?
WCS/JJ or Skal/Temple + 37 for Isaac/Augustin. Probably not enough value, but still I think he is the guy. Wonder if they would do it by ridding themselves completely of Biz or Ross?
I'm sure Orlando wouldn't be willing to give up on him just yet, however if they sign Gordon maybe they think something like this gives them a deeper bucket of talent added with salary relief.
Isaac fits in perfectly with our youth program, Augustin is on the books for a further year also saving the Magic some coin before extending WCS.


Future line up
Fox
Bogdanovic
Doncic
Isaac
Giles

I still think Randolph starts a decent portion of games next season, hopefully not from the beginning of the season, but just for a week here and there to give rest.
I would love this to be our line-up come opening night.
Fox/Augustin/Mason
Bogdanovic/Buddy/FA Vet
Doncic/Shumpert/JaKarr
Isaac/Randolph/Skal
Giles/Koufas/Cooley

I keep seeing Kings fans say this but I seriously do not understand the line of thinking. Why would you not want Buddy coming off the bench as a sixth man who gets 30 minutes a night? That would be a luxury, why ship him out? It makes no sense.

He’s a starting quality player who may not want to come off the bench. You don’t pay bench players big salaries, typically, while paying 4 quality starters. He’s one of the teams best players, those usually start.

With that said, I wouldn’t ship him out, as I believe he’s coming into his own and his value doesn’t match his talent. He’s also a winner. I’d first look to restructure the starting lineup

[BoogieTime]

Bruski tweeted that Brandon Williams might have the biggest voice just now.. Not sure how truthful it is, but if true it would reassure me in a big way

Vivek, I appreciate him saving the team, but if his reputation continues to linger over operations for the long haul he has to be removed

[codydaze]

I think you're onto it with Fox, Doncic, Bogdanovic (on a side note I think Buddy does have to move into the starting line up at some stage or trade him).
When we are looking at the 4/5 I am going to throw it out there why not swing for the fences and go for Gordon's team mate, Jonathan Isaac?
WCS/JJ or Skal/Temple + 37 for Isaac/Augustin. Probably not enough value, but still I think he is the guy. Wonder if they would do it by ridding themselves completely of Biz or Ross?
I'm sure Orlando wouldn't be willing to give up on him just yet, however if they sign Gordon maybe they think something like this gives them a deeper bucket of talent added with salary relief.
Isaac fits in perfectly with our youth program, Augustin is on the books for a further year also saving the Magic some coin before extending WCS.


Future line up
Fox
Bogdanovic
Doncic
Isaac
Giles

I still think Randolph starts a decent portion of games next season, hopefully not from the beginning of the season, but just for a week here and there to give rest.
I would love this to be our line-up come opening night.
Fox/Augustin/Mason
Bogdanovic/Buddy/FA Vet
Doncic/Shumpert/JaKarr
Isaac/Randolph/Skal
Giles/Koufas/Cooley

I keep seeing Kings fans say this but I seriously do not understand the line of thinking. Why would you not want Buddy coming off the bench as a sixth man who gets 30 minutes a night? That would be a luxury, why ship him out? It makes no sense.

He’s a starting quality player who may not want to come off the bench. You don’t pay bench players big salaries, typically, while paying 4 quality starters. He’s one of the teams best players, those usually start.

With that said, I wouldn’t ship him out, as I believe he’s coming into his own and his value doesn’t match his talent. He’s also a winner. I’d first look to restructure the starting lineup

That can be addressed in 3-4 years when our young guys are due extensions, they're still on rookie scale deals and good teams do pay vital bench pieces well. If we're winning and Buddy is getting 30 minutes a night off the bench and is a 6MOY candidate year in, year out I doubt he would have any issues with that. He only started 12 games this year with no really no reason for him to have been coming off the bench and he wasn't complaining.

[VeganKingsFan]

Buddy Hield repeatedly said that moving him to the bench was the best decision and that he likes it. I don't see him as someone who will complain, and either way we have him under control for the next 6 years realistically. He definitely should get 30+ minutes, and will be finishing games as long as he keeps playing like the end of last year. I think it's not smart to try to have a good starting lineup and trade our best bench player when he can still get starter minutes. Also, injuries are part of the game and we can't be paper thin on our depth. I'd love a 4 man rotation of Fox, Bogie, Buddy and Doncic (or Michael Porter Jr.) for the 1-3 positions.

[sacking123]

I think you're onto it with Fox, Doncic, Bogdanovic (on a side note I think Buddy does have to move into the starting line up at some stage or trade him).
When we are looking at the 4/5 I am going to throw it out there why not swing for the fences and go for Gordon's team mate, Jonathan Isaac?
WCS/JJ or Skal/Temple + 37 for Isaac/Augustin. Probably not enough value, but still I think he is the guy. Wonder if they would do it by ridding themselves completely of Biz or Ross?
I'm sure Orlando wouldn't be willing to give up on him just yet, however if they sign Gordon maybe they think something like this gives them a deeper bucket of talent added with salary relief.
Isaac fits in perfectly with our youth program, Augustin is on the books for a further year also saving the Magic some coin before extending WCS.


Future line up
Fox
Bogdanovic
Doncic
Isaac
Giles

I still think Randolph starts a decent portion of games next season, hopefully not from the beginning of the season, but just for a week here and there to give rest.
I would love this to be our line-up come opening night.
Fox/Augustin/Mason
Bogdanovic/Buddy/FA Vet
Doncic/Shumpert/JaKarr
Isaac/Randolph/Skal
Giles/Koufas/Cooley

I keep seeing Kings fans say this but I seriously do not understand the line of thinking. Why would you not want Buddy coming off the bench as a sixth man who gets 30 minutes a night? That would be a luxury, why ship him out? It makes no sense.

I think potentially Buddy is our best player, you simply don’t bring your best player off the bench. It’s absolutely not a good idea for that to happen under any circumstance.
The amount of improvement seen by him over his short journey is exciting, however if he isn’t our starting SG in 2 years then we go through the whole thing of another team offering starter salary.
You have to be patient, but not foolish, we aren’t going to be paying Buddy 17-18 million to come off the bench and say Bogi 20 million to start.
These are things Vlade will need to start figuring out this season (no a decision doesn’t need to be made) because they will come around quickly and the assets we have need to be utilised and maximised both on the court and in trades.


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[KF10]

So, is this next season's goal is to win? Didn't Vlade said that one of his goals is to be good by the time 2018-2019 season starts?

If so, I see a lot of non-star players in the FA that can help us in the win column.

I really, really like Tyreke Evans for us. He would be a great fit with the second unit with Buddy Hield, Iman Shumpert core. Fred VanVleet, Seth Curry, Mario Hezonja are some of the guys we may be interested in too.

[codydaze]

So, is this next season's goal is to win? Didn't Vlade said that one of his goals is to be good by the time 2018-2019 season starts?

If so, I see a lot of non-star players in the FA that can help us in the win column.

I really, really like Tyreke Evans for us. He would be a great fit with the second unit with Buddy Hield, Iman Shumpert core. Fred VanVleet, Seth Curry, Mario Hezonja are some of the guys we may be interested in too.

I want VanVleet for sure. Loved his game since Wichita St and is just a solid basketball player.

[Jkam31]

Let's say the Kings draft Luka Dončić at 2.

What is the Kings' plan for the offseason?

To me, I don't see Fox starting off the bench -- so he's an undisputed starter at 1.

That means 2, 3, 4, 5 spots are up for grabs. With Luka Dončić, what kind of players would we surround him. We have Fox at the 1. I would like to think we put as much shooters as we can around Fox & Dončić . Would Joerger insert Bogdanović in the starting lineup with Fox & Dončić? Or would he put Buddy in the starting lineup? Let's say he decides to keep Buddy on the bench as the 6th man.

So, that leaves the 4 & 5 positions open. Do the Kings search a 4 or a 5 via the FA?

If we go with a more shooting lineup, I really like Aaron Gordon at the 4 and roll the dice with Harry Giles at the 5. Willie has had his chances to solidify his spot at 5 but he hasn't. Skal kind of stagnated last season and he's more of a question mark than I originally thought.

I really think we have to look for someone in the offseason to fill the hole at either the 4 or at the 5.

So, my potential lineup:

De'Aaron Fox
Luka Dončić
Bogdan Bogdanović
Aaron Gordon
Harry Giles

You really hope that Fox & Dončić improve their 3PT shot over the summer and the biggest hope is that both of those guys are really competent shooters from that range by the time the next season starts.

I'm not looking for a 40%+ 3PT clip but more of a mid-30's at the very least. I believe both players can do that. If so, everyone except Giles have range from 3PT. This is would be the most ideal situation.

Fox/Temple/Mason
Doncic/Buddy
Shump/Bogdan
Z Bo/Giles or Skal
WCS/KK

I see Luka as a 3/4 defensively, not SG

Am I seeing Shumpert in the lineup over Buddy/Bogdan?

Id call for Joerger's job if he starts Shumpert over Bogie and Buddy.

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Shumpert isn’t starting and probably won’t get over 16mpg


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[blind prophet]

Shumpert isn’t starting and probably won’t get over 16mpg


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You say that with such certainty. Interesting.

I do agree he plays less than 20 on most nights.

[OhioKingsFan]

If Luka ends up being the pick, Motrezl Harrell wouldn't be a bad FA signing. With Luka (and Fox) both projecting as excellent P&R ball-handlers, it's important to have skilled P&R bigs on the roster.

If I'm reading the NBA Stats page correctly, Montrezl Harrell scored on 68.5% of his opportunities as a P&R roll-man, good for 1.4 points per play. Nurkic, Randle, Aaron Gordon, and (happily) WCS and Kosta are also pretty good P&R bigs. Unsurprisingly, Zach Randolph and Skal are both quite bad.

If we end up with Ayton (my preferred pick), Mario Hezonja would be an excellent FA target.

[SacKingZZZ]

I think you're onto it with Fox, Doncic, Bogdanovic (on a side note I think Buddy does have to move into the starting line up at some stage or trade him).
When we are looking at the 4/5 I am going to throw it out there why not swing for the fences and go for Gordon's team mate, Jonathan Isaac?
WCS/JJ or Skal/Temple + 37 for Isaac/Augustin. Probably not enough value, but still I think he is the guy. Wonder if they would do it by ridding themselves completely of Biz or Ross?
I'm sure Orlando wouldn't be willing to give up on him just yet, however if they sign Gordon maybe they think something like this gives them a deeper bucket of talent added with salary relief.
Isaac fits in perfectly with our youth program, Augustin is on the books for a further year also saving the Magic some coin before extending WCS.


Future line up
Fox
Bogdanovic
Doncic
Isaac
Giles

I still think Randolph starts a decent portion of games next season, hopefully not from the beginning of the season, but just for a week here and there to give rest.
I would love this to be our line-up come opening night.
Fox/Augustin/Mason
Bogdanovic/Buddy/FA Vet
Doncic/Shumpert/JaKarr
Isaac/Randolph/Skal
Giles/Koufas/Cooley

I keep seeing Kings fans say this but I seriously do not understand the line of thinking. Why would you not want Buddy coming off the bench as a sixth man who gets 30 minutes a night? That would be a luxury, why ship him out? It makes no sense.

He’s a starting quality player who may not want to come off the bench. You don’t pay bench players big salaries, typically, while paying 4 quality starters. He’s one of the teams best players, those usually start.

With that said, I wouldn’t ship him out, as I believe he’s coming into his own and his value doesn’t match his talent. He’s also a winner. I’d first look to restructure the starting lineup

Yep. Some compared Buddy to Harden in the past. Don't be surprised if it ends up the same way for his team. I do think if he gets real starters minutes it should be OK if he buys into the Manu role. If Luka is the pick I think Buddy next to him makes more sense and even more sense to bring Bogdan off the bench and play heavy minutes with Fox, Buddy, Bogdan, and Luka out there together. Is anyone else watching the playoffs this year? Teams are finally realizing that you have to play your most talented lineups together. The Rox and Warriors are playing Durant and Ariza at center. Teams like the Raptors attempted to stay more traditional and got run right through. If Ayton and Bamba are the real deals, them along with Embiid will probably force the NBA's hand to allow contact again and this will all change but for the foreseeable future not matching up is not an option.

[kingjawn100]

We're all rooting for Fox but you wonder if there will be times where our best lineup features 2 bigs, luka, bogi & buddy. Luka can be the primary ball handler in that case with bogi and buddy being wing shooters.

If i were Fox i'd be a little concerned with Luka being the pick...especially if it turns out that Luka can in fact play point guard. Fox at this point isn't the shooter that luka/buddy/bogi are and he isn't the passer that bogi or luka are.

[kalenclayton]

We're all rooting for Fox but you wonder if there will be times where our best lineup features 2 bigs, luka, bogi & buddy. Luka can be the primary ball handler in that case with bogi and buddy being wing shooters.

If i were Fox i'd be a little concerned with Luka being the pick...especially if it turns out that Luka can in fact play point guard. Fox at this point isn't the shooter that luka/buddy/bogi are and he isn't the passer that bogi or luka are.

I truly think Fox and Luka are meant to be on the court together. Fox can work on off ball movement this summer and let Doncic make plays for him. Fox is both fast in a line and quick to change directions, so he could definitely work well off-ball. Doncic can do well off ball as well. They both know the game. I think we will be fine. I really think we will be closing games with Fox-Buddy-Bogi-Doncic-Willie