General Trade Rumors

[benchmobbin02]

To me it sounded like the waiving of Papa G had as much to do with decreasing the workload of the coaching staff as anything. I still don't understand the issue considering his number remains on the cap next year anyway and the Kings really only have Willie at C right now and he's not getting any younger. You could sit him or send him down the G league as much as possible and be no worse off with there still being a chance that you can erase his salary from the cap this summer via trade. Is there a chance they were able to stretch his deal? If so that might save the Kings some space.

Doubt they cut him so they didn't have to work harder. Lowest denominator assumption.

Much more likely they had worked with him and didn't see him developing into a fit with the core, either in play or attitude/demeanor or both.

Vlade basically said that this allows them to focus on less guys when asked if having 10 rookies was too much, thus decreasing the workload. Developing 10 young guys would be hard for any staff so this will lighten the load. I heard nothing about your next paragraph from him however.

No. What he said was of course it helps them focus on young core and it gives them flexibility in the cap. He was answering a leading question and I doubt he would say they waived Papa because he was a problem. Doesn't mean it isn't true.

In reality, it is probably a mix of all three reasons. Cap and roster flexibility, Papa and Malachi being the least likely to succeed with our current core and plans for various reasons and the ability to focus on the other young guys more.

Pointless argument.

[SacKingZZZ]

Doubt they cut him so they didn't have to work harder. Lowest denominator assumption.

Much more likely they had worked with him and didn't see him developing into a fit with the core, either in play or attitude/demeanor or both.

Vlade basically said that this allows them to focus on less guys when asked if having 10 rookies was too much, thus decreasing the workload. Developing 10 young guys would be hard for any staff so this will lighten the load. I heard nothing about your next paragraph from him however.

No. What he said was of course it helps them focus on young core and it gives them flexibility in the cap. He was answering a leading question and I doubt he would say they waived Papa because he was a problem. Doesn't mean it isn't true.

In reality, it is probably a mix of all three reasons. Cap and roster flexibility, Papa and Malachi being the least likely to succeed with our current core and plans for various reasons and the ability to focus on the other young guys more.

Pointless argument.

Vlades direct answer to the question was "Of course.". Then Williams' response after talked about the development projects being challenging and how the coaching staff has done an excellent job. They never denied the validity of the question. Your assumption was never addressed in the slightest of terms IIRC.

However, my personal opinion is more in line with yours. I can see it being a form of all 3, but it's still an opinion based on assumption that in no way shape or form did they discuss in that presser.

[City of Trees]

On Grants show Vlade doubled down on his stance of identifying who the core is and letting Papa /Richardson go because the minutes weren't there and it wasn't fair to them or the team.

I also found it interesting Vlade admitted Papa is too slow to keep up with todays NBA pace.

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[SacKingZZZ]

On Grants show Vlade doubled down on his stance of identifying who the core is and letting Papa /Richardson go because the minutes weren't there and it wasn't fair to them or the team.

I also found it interesting Vlade admitted Papa is too slow to keep up with todays NBA pace.

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Yet signed Zbo. Just sayin', just sayin'!

[benchmobbin02]

On Grants show Vlade doubled down on his stance of identifying who the core is and letting Papa /Richardson go because the minutes weren't there and it wasn't fair to them or the team.

I also found it interesting Vlade admitted Papa is too slow to keep up with todays NBA pace.

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Yet signed Zbo. Just sayin', just sayin'!

As a stop gap between as we build. Not as a guy to build around.

[City of Trees]

On Grants show Vlade doubled down on his stance of identifying who the core is and letting Papa /Richardson go because the minutes weren't there and it wasn't fair to them or the team.

I also found it interesting Vlade admitted Papa is too slow to keep up with todays NBA pace.

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Yet signed Zbo. Just sayin', just sayin'!

He said Papa could improve in that area but he couldnt do it from the end of the bench.

I dont see why so many are upset about it. Vlade had 10 or so young players all on rookie deals and found the 7 or 8 he wants to roll with.

Papa was a bad pick but Vlade has proven he gets his guy (Bogi, Fox) and afterwards flirts with projects.

Its the nature of the game.

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[benchmobbin02]

Vlade basically said that this allows them to focus on less guys when asked if having 10 rookies was too much, thus decreasing the workload. Developing 10 young guys would be hard for any staff so this will lighten the load. I heard nothing about your next paragraph from him however.

No. What he said was of course it helps them focus on young core and it gives them flexibility in the cap. He was answering a leading question and I doubt he would say they waived Papa because he was a problem. Doesn't mean it isn't true.

In reality, it is probably a mix of all three reasons. Cap and roster flexibility, Papa and Malachi being the least likely to succeed with our current core and plans for various reasons and the ability to focus on the other young guys more.

Pointless argument.

Vlades direct answer to the question was "Of course.". Then Williams' response after talked about the development projects being challenging and how the coaching staff has done an excellent job. They never denied the validity of the question. Your assumption was never addressed in the slightest of terms IIRC.

I said that he said of course. The guy asking the question also said was that PART of the reason. And in his answer Vlade replied that it was to focus on developing the group they had AND create flexibility in the cap and roster. Which is what I said in the beginning. I said my feeling is that they wouldn't say they dumped Papa because of him. It's just not a good look. As Trees pointed out Vlade did let it slip some that Papa didn't fit the plan.

[City of Trees]

Vlade did mention the $3.2m in cash from the Hill trade was for recouping Papa's salary next season.

So the Cavs and Jazz paid to facilitate the waiving of Papa.

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[SacKingZZZ]

No. What he said was of course it helps them focus on young core and it gives them flexibility in the cap. He was answering a leading question and I doubt he would say they waived Papa because he was a problem. Doesn't mean it isn't true.

In reality, it is probably a mix of all three reasons. Cap and roster flexibility, Papa and Malachi being the least likely to succeed with our current core and plans for various reasons and the ability to focus on the other young guys more.

Pointless argument.

Vlades direct answer to the question was "Of course.". Then Williams' response after talked about the development projects being challenging and how the coaching staff has done an excellent job. They never denied the validity of the question. Your assumption was never addressed in the slightest of terms IIRC.

I said that he said of course. The guy asking the question also said was that PART of the reason. And in his answer Vlade replied that it was to focus on developing the group they had AND create flexibility in the cap and roster. Which is what I said in the beginning. I said my feeling is that they wouldn't say they dumped Papa because of him. It's just not a good look. As Trees pointed out Vlade did let it slip some that Papa didn't fit the plan.

Exactly, he answered a leading question with "Of course".

They might say it now with Papas agent flying off the handle. I'm sure that "slip" had a bit to do with that and saving face.

[benchmobbin02]

Vlades direct answer to the question was "Of course.". Then Williams' response after talked about the development projects being challenging and how the coaching staff has done an excellent job. They never denied the validity of the question. Your assumption was never addressed in the slightest of terms IIRC.

I said that he said of course. The guy asking the question also said was that PART of the reason. And in his answer Vlade replied that it was to focus on developing the group they had AND create flexibility in the cap and roster. Which is what I said in the beginning. I said my feeling is that they wouldn't say they dumped Papa because of him. It's just not a good look. As Trees pointed out Vlade did let it slip some that Papa didn't fit the plan.

Exactly, he answered a leading question with "Of course".

They might say it now with Papas agent flying off the handle. I'm sure that "slip" had a bit to do with that and saving face. :lol:

Yup and then gave his reasoning which included what I said.

Or it had to do with just taking the gloves off.

[LightTheBeam]

Did you see Mark Gasol at the age of 20? Yes Papa is very raw, but we had 2,5 years to work with him. Can't we wave one of expiring vets KK, Tample, Carter??? Or can't we get and wave Frye instead of Shumpert?
Even if Papa is really too bad to play in NBA, he was drafted by Vlade using lottery pick.

I don't think it was about Papa being too bad to play in the NBA. I think he could develop into a decent player. I think it was more about the team not liking his fit and/or attitude for lack of a better descriptor. We could spend the next 3 years developing this kid but if they see the warning signs that he could grow some of the negative aspects to his on court game that Boogie had then it's best to make a decision now.

The Cavs already had Fyre involved in the LA deal. KK and Temple are great teammates and if either did decide to not opt out next year it wouldn't hurt us in terms of salary or locker room. I think Carter is done after this year. Just my opinion. I wanna see him coaching and mentoring or youngsters. Think he got a taste of it and he likes it. Johnson may still be waived this year and Zbo could be waived next year if necessary. We are really set up nicely.

Yes, Vlade did use 1st rd picks on Papa and Malachi. But he also drafted WCS, Fox, Jackson, Skal, and Giles in the 1st. He also brought in BB, Hield and Bruno. This is a rebuild and not everyone is gonna work out. I like the room full of young guys do have.

Everything is right separately, but in general deadline looks awful. Cavs were interested in Hill, so Vlade must dictate the terms, not vice versa. Jazz and Lakers got what they want, while we were robbed.
Caboclo showed absolutely nothing in NBA (far less than Papa), but Raptors traded his expiring contract for Malachi. While we just waved Papa. I really can't understand all this **** happened yesterday! Billi King's a genius in comparison with Vlade.

Clearly you don't understand players values.

Utah traded Rodney hood, a blooming young wing on a cheap contract.

Lakers traded Clarkson and attached Larry Nance whose a great kid. Clarkson himself is neutral value at 25 years old with his ability to score. Both combined make less than 15 mil per year. Nance easily had 1st round value plus helps the Cavs much more than a 2018 1st around 26.

George hill is a 31 year old player on a 20 million per year contract who clearly wanted to get traded.

If you can't see the differences in the value between the 3 packages they traded for then you are blind or fooling yourself.

I'm honestly shocked Vlade was able to cut hills contract in half (possibly even the whole thing) and pick up a 2nd and cash.

Blame him for signing the contract not what he got for moving it.

We didn't have to move Hill but the team chemistry, locker room, and cap space certainly improved from doing so.

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[jazanetti]

Clearly you don't understand players values.

Really? So, do you think Hood was the major part at Cavs/Jazz/Kings trade? I don't think so. Or may be Cavs needed Clarkson/Nance offence more than Hills 3&D (especially 3-point D) against Warriors?
On the other side, Lakers were in need of cap space at summer so much. 12,5 million Clarkson's contract hurts them a lot. There were even rumours that they could move out his contract for nothing or even pay extra. For the Cavs Clarkson is a player with poor defence and unreliable 3 who is overpaid in comparison with Lou/Tyreke's contracts, and does the same as DWade.
Nance is a good player (not a kid at 25) but his max value right now is 2nd round pick, just look at Nerlence Noel trade last year, while much better players like Mirotich (with Asik's bad contract), Bledsoe, Lou Williams were bought for the late 1st round picks.

[LightTheBeam]

Clearly you don't understand players values.

Really? So, do you think Hood was the major part at Cavs/Jazz/Kings trade? I don't think so. Or may be Cavs needed Clarkson/Nance offence more than Hills 3&D (especially 3-point D) against Warriors?
On the other side, Lakers were in need of cap space at summer so much. 12,5 million Clarkson's contract hurts them a lot. There were even rumours that they could move out his contract for nothing or even pay extra. For the Cavs Clarkson is a player with poor defence and unreliable 3 who is overpaid in comparison with Lou/Tyreke's contracts, and does the same as DWade.
Nance is a good player (not a kid at 25) but his max value right now is 2nd round pick, just look at Nerlence Noel trade last year, while much better players like Mirotich (with Asik's bad contract), Bledsoe, Lou Williams were bought for the late 1st round picks.

Hood was absolutely a major part of the trade. Kid is averaging 17ppg on 40% from downtown while taking 7 shots per game. That is big time, he may have been the MAJOR piece from this trade. The market for Hood is significantly bigger than teams that want to take on George Hill for 5 times the cost at 7 years older.

No disrespect man but if you think Clarkson and Wade do the same thing Im not sure how much basketball you watch these days. Dwade is a 36 year old that certainly doesn't have the legs, speed, athleticism, breakdown ability that Clarkson has.

Nance absolutely has 1st round value and is definitely just as good as Mirotic* or better for what the Cavs needed (young, rebounder, run the court with Lebron.)

You are looking at things from a Realgm T&T standpoint. Oh Mirotic has more value than Nance crazy... Every team needs something different.

The Cavs clearly needed

1. To get younger (Hood, Nance, Clarkson)

2. To add shooting (Hood, Hill)

3. To add defensive guys (Hill, Nance, Even Hood compared to JR Smith)

they accomplished all of those things. They didn't want to add Lou Williams and Mirotic, those guys wouldn't make them younger or better defensively.

[jazanetti]

I can understand your opinion, but there're some more arguments.

Hood was absolutely a major part of the trade. Kid is averaging 17ppg on 40% from downtown while taking 7 shots per game. That is big time, he may have been the MAJOR piece from this trade. The market for Hood is significantly bigger than teams that want to take on George Hill for 5 times the cost at 7 years older.

Ok, Hood is great, making 17ppg, 39% downtown and earning 2,3 millions. But two questions.
1) Will he be so good earning about 18-20 millions next season, or Cavs have to let him go at summer?
2) Why did Jazz move him to the bench? Why weren't they intrerested in giving him big money? If Lebron will go out at summer, Cavs will be at the same situation as Jazz.

No disrespect man but if you think Clarkson and Wade do the same thing Im not sure how much basketball you watch these days. Dwade is a 36 year old that certainly doesn't have the legs, speed, athleticism, breakdown ability that Clarkson has.

DWade: 23 min, 11 ppg (45%), 3,5 assists, 3,9 rebouns, 34% downtown.
Clarkson: 24 min, 14,5 ppg (45%), 3,3 assists, 3 rebounds, 32% downtown.
I realy don't see any difference except huge DWade's playoff experiens, ability to make decisive shoths and earning free throws, paying him only vetminimum.
Speaking of next season without Lebron, I don't see huge impact of adding Clarcson for 12,5 millions also, his is not an attractive asset.

Nance absolutely has 1st round value and is definitely just as good as Mirotic* or better for what the Cavs needed (young, rebounder, run the court with Lebron.)

You are looking at things from a Realgm T&T standpoint. Oh Mirotic has more value than Nance crazy... Every team needs something different.

Totally disagree! Cavs with Lebron need spacing and perimeter defence during playoffs. They have maximize thier chances agains Warriors. Can you imagine Nance defending agaist Green/Durant outside teh paint? Mirotic fits Cavs perfectly, but hi is too expensive.
Stretch fours with ability to score and defend worth 1st round pick in modern NBA. Bigs without this abilities (see Noel, Monroe, Faried) aren't worth enything. If you need one of those guys for some reasons, you can get it for 2nd round pick easily.

The Cavs clearly needed

1. To get younger (Hood, Nance, Clarkson)

2. To add shooting (Hood, Hill)

3. To add defensive guys (Hill, Nance, Even Hood compared to JR Smith)

they accomplished all of those things. They didn't want to add Lou Williams and Mirotic, those guys wouldn't make them younger or better defensively.

Disagree again, Cavs need defence first. Their DEFRTG is 28th. Hill is the first who will help them, Clarkson and Nance are the last.
Looking at the future without Lebron Cavs have to get younger, that's true. But I don't think Hood is so good to be their future, Clarson and Nance even more.

[LightTheBeam]

I can understand your opinion, but there're some more arguments.

Hood was absolutely a major part of the trade. Kid is averaging 17ppg on 40% from downtown while taking 7 shots per game. That is big time, he may have been the MAJOR piece from this trade. The market for Hood is significantly bigger than teams that want to take on George Hill for 5 times the cost at 7 years older.

Ok, Hood is great, making 17ppg, 39% downtown and earning 2,3 millions. But two questions.
1) Will he be so good earning about 18-20 millions next season, or Cavs have to let him go at summer?
2) Why did Jazz move him to the bench? Why weren't they intrerested in giving him big money? If Lebron will go out at summer, Cavs will be at the same situation as Jazz.

No disrespect man but if you think Clarkson and Wade do the same thing Im not sure how much basketball you watch these days. Dwade is a 36 year old that certainly doesn't have the legs, speed, athleticism, breakdown ability that Clarkson has.

DWade: 23 min, 11 ppg (45%), 3,5 assists, 3,9 rebouns, 34% downtown.
Clarkson: 24 min, 14,5 ppg (45%), 3,3 assists, 3 rebounds, 32% downtown.
I realy don't see any difference except huge DWade's playoff experiens, ability to make decisive shoths and earning free throws, paying him only vetminimum.
Speaking of next season without Lebron, I don't see huge impact of adding Clarcson for 12,5 millions also, his is not an attractive asset.

Nance absolutely has 1st round value and is definitely just as good as Mirotic* or better for what the Cavs needed (young, rebounder, run the court with Lebron.)

You are looking at things from a Realgm T&T standpoint. Oh Mirotic has more value than Nance crazy... Every team needs something different.

Totally disagree! Cavs with Lebron need spacing and perimeter defence during playoffs. They have maximize thier chances agains Warriors. Can you imagine Nance defending agaist Green/Durant outside teh paint? Mirotic fits Cavs perfectly, but hi is too expensive.
Stretch fours with ability to score and defend worth 1st round pick in modern NBA. Bigs without this abilities (see Noel, Monroe, Faried) aren't worth enything. If you need one of those guys for some reasons, you can get it for 2nd round pick easily.

The Cavs clearly needed

1. To get younger (Hood, Nance, Clarkson)

2. To add shooting (Hood, Hill)

3. To add defensive guys (Hill, Nance, Even Hood compared to JR Smith)

they accomplished all of those things. They didn't want to add Lou Williams and Mirotic, those guys wouldn't make them younger or better defensively.

Disagree again, Cavs need defence first. Their DEFRTG is 28th. Hill is the first who will help them, Clarkson and Nance are the last.
Looking at the future without Lebron Cavs have to get younger, that's true. But I don't think Hood is so good to be their future, Clarson and Nance even more.

When you are talking about a team like the Cavs with a 33 year old Lebron, the future matters but so does the present. If they win a title because Hood than of course they will pay him. if Lebron walks than hes a great piece to go along with the Brooklyn pick to kick start the rebuild. The Jazz moved Hood because they found a diamond in Donovan Mitchell who projects to be a star in this league. No reason tying up money in a similar but inferior player.

Wade and Clarkson might average the same stats but they are far from the same players. Wade gets his shots on mid range, he doesnt help stretch the floor without Lebron and he doesn't break down defenses. Tim Legler had a good piece on Sports Center (Legler is one of the guys I actually do respect his opinion) and he spoke about how the Cavs don't have a young guard with the ability to breakdown defenses on the dribble drive. Thomas was supposed to be that guy but clearly failed coming back from injury.

Again if you are strictly judging based off stats you should watch the games.

The Cavs got spacing in Hood/Hill. Between those 2 Lebron/Love, you also need someone who can guard Durant and Draymond and sorry but if you think Mirotic is better doing that then Nance you haven't watched much Larry Nance. Again Legler showed this on his airtime, Nance is an extremely agile defender who has the ability to defend on the perimeter and slide his feet much better than any of the Cavs bigs.

Mirotic has DBPM of -1.3. Hes clearly a negative on defense and going against Durant/Draymond he would be eaten alive. Hes also sporting a 114 ORTG/109 DRTG

Larry Nance JR has a DBPM of +2.9 which is amazing and compares to Draymond Greens +2.7 this season. Larry is sporting a 123 ORTG/103 DRTG.

Larry Nance JR is clearly the optimal fit to run center for the Cavs against a team like the Warriors. To top it off they got both Clarkson/Larry Nance for the same cost as what Mirotic would be around 12.5 million.

So again Hill/Nance/Hood/Clarkson were all pieces of importance to them. The fact of the matter is nobody else wanted Hill. So we had 2 choices sit on him another year while the situation likely gets worse or move him for what we did.

Teams aren't knocking down the door for George Hill and certainly nobody was offering a 1st round pick or full expirings. Im sure we could have taken on Ryan Anderson/1st, I for one am extremely happy we didn't go that route.

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[jazanetti]

I can understand your opinion, but there're some more arguments.

Hood was absolutely a major part of the trade. Kid is averaging 17ppg on 40% from downtown while taking 7 shots per game. That is big time, he may have been the MAJOR piece from this trade. The market for Hood is significantly bigger than teams that want to take on George Hill for 5 times the cost at 7 years older.

Ok, Hood is great, making 17ppg, 39% downtown and earning 2,3 millions. But two questions.
1) Will he be so good earning about 18-20 millions next season, or Cavs have to let him go at summer?
2) Why did Jazz move him to the bench? Why weren't they intrerested in giving him big money? If Lebron will go out at summer, Cavs will be at the same situation as Jazz.

No disrespect man but if you think Clarkson and Wade do the same thing Im not sure how much basketball you watch these days. Dwade is a 36 year old that certainly doesn't have the legs, speed, athleticism, breakdown ability that Clarkson has.

DWade: 23 min, 11 ppg (45%), 3,5 assists, 3,9 rebouns, 34% downtown.
Clarkson: 24 min, 14,5 ppg (45%), 3,3 assists, 3 rebounds, 32% downtown.
I realy don't see any difference except huge DWade's playoff experiens, ability to make decisive shoths and earning free throws, paying him only vetminimum.
Speaking of next season without Lebron, I don't see huge impact of adding Clarcson for 12,5 millions also, his is not an attractive asset.

Nance absolutely has 1st round value and is definitely just as good as Mirotic* or better for what the Cavs needed (young, rebounder, run the court with Lebron.)

You are looking at things from a Realgm T&T standpoint. Oh Mirotic has more value than Nance crazy... Every team needs something different.

Totally disagree! Cavs with Lebron need spacing and perimeter defence during playoffs. They have maximize thier chances agains Warriors. Can you imagine Nance defending agaist Green/Durant outside teh paint? Mirotic fits Cavs perfectly, but hi is too expensive.
Stretch fours with ability to score and defend worth 1st round pick in modern NBA. Bigs without this abilities (see Noel, Monroe, Faried) aren't worth enything. If you need one of those guys for some reasons, you can get it for 2nd round pick easily.

The Cavs clearly needed

1. To get younger (Hood, Nance, Clarkson)

2. To add shooting (Hood, Hill)

3. To add defensive guys (Hill, Nance, Even Hood compared to JR Smith)

they accomplished all of those things. They didn't want to add Lou Williams and Mirotic, those guys wouldn't make them younger or better defensively.

Disagree again, Cavs need defence first. Their DEFRTG is 28th. Hill is the first who will help them, Clarkson and Nance are the last.
Looking at the future without Lebron Cavs have to get younger, that's true. But I don't think Hood is so good to be their future, Clarson and Nance even more.

When you are talking about a team like the Cavs with a 33 year old Lebron, the future matters but so does the present. If they win a title because Hood than of course they will pay him. if Lebron walks than hes a great piece to go along with the Brooklyn pick to kick start the rebuild. The Jazz moved Hood because they found a diamond in Donovan Mitchell who projects to be a star in this league. No reason tying up money in a similar but inferior player.

Wade and Clarkson might average the same stats but they are far from the same players. Wade gets his shots on mid range, he doesnt help stretch the floor without Lebron and he doesn't break down defenses. Tim Legler had a good piece on Sports Center (Legler is one of the guys I actually do respect his opinion) and he spoke about how the Cavs don't have a young guard with the ability to breakdown defenses on the dribble drive. Thomas was supposed to be that guy but clearly failed coming back from injury.

Again if you are strictly judging based off stats you should watch the games.

The Cavs got spacing in Hood/Hill. Between those 2 Lebron/Love, you also need someone who can guard Durant and Draymond and sorry but if you think Mirotic is better doing that then Nance you haven't watched much Larry Nance. Again Legler showed this on his airtime, Nance is an extremely agile defender who has the ability to defend on the perimeter and slide his feet much better than any of the Cavs bigs.

Mirotic has DBPM of -1.3. Hes clearly a negative on defense and going against Durant/Draymond he would be eaten alive. Hes also sporting a 114 ORTG/109 DRTG

Larry Nance JR has a DBPM of +2.9 which is amazing and compares to Draymond Greens +2.7 this season. Larry is sporting a 123 ORTG/103 DRTG.

Larry Nance JR is clearly the optimal fit to run center for the Cavs against a team like the Warriors. To top it off they got both Clarkson/Larry Nance for the same cost as what Mirotic would be around 12.5 million.

So again Hill/Nance/Hood/Clarkson were all pieces of importance to them. The fact of the matter is nobody else wanted Hill. So we had 2 choices sit on him another year while the situation likely gets worse or move him for what we did.

Teams aren't knocking down the door for George Hill and certainly nobody was offering a 1st round pick or full expirings. Im sure we could have taken on Ryan Anderson/1st, I for one am extremely happy we didn't go that route.

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[SacSanity]

Clearly you don't understand players values.

Really? So, do you think Hood was the major part at Cavs/Jazz/Kings trade? I don't think so. Or may be Cavs needed Clarkson/Nance offence more than Hills 3&D (especially 3-point D) against Warriors?
On the other side, Lakers were in need of cap space at summer so much. 12,5 million Clarkson's contract hurts them a lot. There were even rumours that they could move out his contract for nothing or even pay extra. For the Cavs Clarkson is a player with poor defence and unreliable 3 who is overpaid in comparison with Lou/Tyreke's contracts, and does the same as DWade.
Nance is a good player (not a kid at 25) but his max value right now is 2nd round pick, just look at Nerlence Noel trade last year, while much better players like Mirotich (with Asik's bad contract), Bledsoe, Lou Williams were bought for the late 1st round picks.

Hood was an enormous piece of the deal...

[SacSanity]

I can understand your opinion, but there're some more arguments.

Hood was absolutely a major part of the trade. Kid is averaging 17ppg on 40% from downtown while taking 7 shots per game. That is big time, he may have been the MAJOR piece from this trade. The market for Hood is significantly bigger than teams that want to take on George Hill for 5 times the cost at 7 years older.

Ok, Hood is great, making 17ppg, 39% downtown and earning 2,3 millions. But two questions.
1) Will he be so good earning about 18-20 millions next season, or Cavs have to let him go at summer?
2) Why did Jazz move him to the bench? Why weren't they intrerested in giving him big money? If Lebron will go out at summer, Cavs will be at the same situation as Jazz.

No disrespect man but if you think Clarkson and Wade do the same thing Im not sure how much basketball you watch these days. Dwade is a 36 year old that certainly doesn't have the legs, speed, athleticism, breakdown ability that Clarkson has.

DWade: 23 min, 11 ppg (45%), 3,5 assists, 3,9 rebouns, 34% downtown.
Clarkson: 24 min, 14,5 ppg (45%), 3,3 assists, 3 rebounds, 32% downtown.
I realy don't see any difference except huge DWade's playoff experiens, ability to make decisive shoths and earning free throws, paying him only vetminimum.
Speaking of next season without Lebron, I don't see huge impact of adding Clarcson for 12,5 millions also, his is not an attractive asset.

Nance absolutely has 1st round value and is definitely just as good as Mirotic* or better for what the Cavs needed (young, rebounder, run the court with Lebron.)

You are looking at things from a Realgm T&T standpoint. Oh Mirotic has more value than Nance crazy... Every team needs something different.

Totally disagree! Cavs with Lebron need spacing and perimeter defence during playoffs. They have maximize thier chances agains Warriors. Can you imagine Nance defending agaist Green/Durant outside teh paint? Mirotic fits Cavs perfectly, but hi is too expensive.
Stretch fours with ability to score and defend worth 1st round pick in modern NBA. Bigs without this abilities (see Noel, Monroe, Faried) aren't worth enything. If you need one of those guys for some reasons, you can get it for 2nd round pick easily.

The Cavs clearly needed

1. To get younger (Hood, Nance, Clarkson)

2. To add shooting (Hood, Hill)

3. To add defensive guys (Hill, Nance, Even Hood compared to JR Smith)

they accomplished all of those things. They didn't want to add Lou Williams and Mirotic, those guys wouldn't make them younger or better defensively.

Disagree again, Cavs need defence first. Their DEFRTG is 28th. Hill is the first who will help them, Clarkson and Nance are the last.
Looking at the future without Lebron Cavs have to get younger, that's true. But I don't think Hood is so good to be their future, Clarson and Nance even more.

LOL bro... Wade does not equal Clarkson... come one man

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You expect him to be picked up by anyone?