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Post#301 » by OxAndFox » Wed Jan 8, 2025 12:55 am

Orlando Robinson being waived.
Wonder if this means a trade incoming, whether Monte is going to sign another vet player or it's simply a timing thing before his contract was GTD?

EDIT: So it was a timing thing for contracts. Still opens up a roster spot for someone down the track.
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Re: 24-25 Trade Thread 

Post#302 » by codydaze » Wed Jan 8, 2025 5:07 pm

OxAndFox wrote:Orlando Robinson being waived.
Wonder if this means a trade incoming, whether Monte is going to sign another vet player or it's simply a timing thing before his contract was GTD?

EDIT: So it was a timing thing for contracts. Still opens up a roster spot for someone down the track.


I've seen a couple rumors about Nick Richards and would be interested in a Huerter for Cody Martin and Nick Richards swap. Splits Huerter into two, a defensive wing and a playable backup C that can block shots. Not sure who would be cheaper between Martin or Josh Green but I'd probably take whichever one costs us less draft assets. Green has one more year on his deal than Huerter does at 15M so could possibly do Green/Richards for Huerter straight up or possibly even get a second in return depending on how Charlotte views that cap space at the end of Huerter's deal.
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Re: 24-25 Trade Thread 

Post#303 » by OGSactownballer » Wed Jan 8, 2025 9:01 pm

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OxAndFox wrote:Orlando Robinson being waived.
Wonder if this means a trade incoming, whether Monte is going to sign another vet player or it's simply a timing thing before his contract was GTD?

EDIT: So it was a timing thing for contracts. Still opens up a roster spot for someone down the track.


I've seen a couple rumors about Nick Richards and would be interested in a Huerter for Cody Martin and Nick Richards swap. Splits Huerter into two, a defensive wing and a playable backup C that can block shots. Not sure who would be cheaper between Martin or Josh Green but I'd probably take whichever one costs us less draft assets. Green has one more year on his deal than Huerter does at 15M so could possibly do Green/Richards for Huerter straight up or possibly even get a second in return depending on how Charlotte views that cap space at the end of Huerter's deal.


If that were to happen as a straight up swap or even including a second I would peg it as potentially the sneaky best deal similar to what Dallas did last year.

It literally shores up our two weakest spots in one move.
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Re: 24-25 Trade Thread 

Post#304 » by LightTheBeam » Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:08 am

The trade Keegan crowd having a bad week. Keegan been a stud since Mike got fired. Incredible what a coach does for a guy like that. Confidence is back!

Realistically we need Huerter gone and quick. I wonder if SA gives us zach collins for him straight?
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Post#305 » by OxAndFox » Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:07 am

LightTheBeam wrote:The trade Keegan crowd having a bad week. Keegan been a stud since Mike got fired. Incredible what a coach does for a guy like that. Confidence is back!

Realistically we need Huerter gone and quick. I wonder if SA gives us zach collins for him straight?


I think ultimately he gets traded for Cam Johnson along with 2 x 1sts.

Fox/Monk/Keegan/Cam/Sabonis
Carter/Keon/DDR/Lyles

I would prefer it to be:
Fox/Keon/Keegan/Cam/Sabonis
Carter/Monk/DDR/Lyles
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Re: 24-25 Trade Thread 

Post#306 » by LightTheBeam » Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:20 pm

OxAndFox wrote:
LightTheBeam wrote:The trade Keegan crowd having a bad week. Keegan been a stud since Mike got fired. Incredible what a coach does for a guy like that. Confidence is back!

Realistically we need Huerter gone and quick. I wonder if SA gives us zach collins for him straight?


I think ultimately he gets traded for Cam Johnson along with 2 x 1sts.

Fox/Monk/Keegan/Cam/Sabonis
Carter/Keon/DDR/Lyles

I would prefer it to be:
Fox/Keon/Keegan/Cam/Sabonis
Carter/Monk/DDR/Lyles


I don't really want to give 2 1sts for Cam. I get hes another shooter and maybe I'm underrating him, but id rather pay less and get some size/defense in the building, or a true 3rd star. I know his shooting will translate but I don't think we would have the possessions with demar on the team to utilize him.

Also with Keegan/Keon/Carter breaking out, it'd be tough to find them all big minutes with Cam. I'm pretty content with the team as is. Every year I've begged for trades, adding Carter, and promoting Keon to full time gave us a nice boost.

My realistic goal - swap Huerter for Zach.
Give our pick to ATL this summer
Next year we open all of ours 1sts + more 2nds. At that point we look at ways to upgrade the PF spot using Demar/Zach + picks. Could be a summer deal, or mid of next year.

Maybe then Lauri becomes available? I'd max out picks for him. Demar + Collins + 3 1sts for Lauri

Or maybe Suns want to move on from Durant and we want a 2 year championship window. Derozan/Collins + 1-2 1sts for Durant.

Cam just feels like Barnes part 2 but more expensive. He's nearing 30, hes never really been a big needle mover. He's having a career year but prior to this year he was a disappearing act.
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Re: 24-25 Trade Thread 

Post#307 » by OxAndFox » Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:14 pm

LightTheBeam wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:
LightTheBeam wrote:The trade Keegan crowd having a bad week. Keegan been a stud since Mike got fired. Incredible what a coach does for a guy like that. Confidence is back!

Realistically we need Huerter gone and quick. I wonder if SA gives us zach collins for him straight?


I think ultimately he gets traded for Cam Johnson along with 2 x 1sts.

Fox/Monk/Keegan/Cam/Sabonis
Carter/Keon/DDR/Lyles

I would prefer it to be:
Fox/Keon/Keegan/Cam/Sabonis
Carter/Monk/DDR/Lyles


I don't really want to give 2 1sts for Cam. I get hes another shooter and maybe I'm underrating him, but id rather pay less and get some size/defense in the building, or a true 3rd star. I know his shooting will translate but I don't think we would have the possessions with demar on the team to utilize him.

Also with Keegan/Keon/Carter breaking out, it'd be tough to find them all big minutes with Cam. I'm pretty content with the team as is. Every year I've begged for trades, adding Carter, and promoting Keon to full time gave us a nice boost.

My realistic goal - swap Huerter for Zach.
Give our pick to ATL this summer
Next year we open all of ours 1sts + more 2nds. At that point we look at ways to upgrade the PF spot using Demar/Zach + picks. Could be a summer deal, or mid of next year.

Maybe then Lauri becomes available? I'd max out picks for him. Demar + Collins + 3 1sts for Lauri

Or maybe Suns want to move on from Durant and we want a 2 year championship window. Derozan/Collins + 1-2 1sts for Durant.

Cam just feels like Barnes part 2 but more expensive. He's nearing 30, hes never really been a big needle mover. He's having a career year but prior to this year he was a disappearing act.


I agree with everything you mention. And I don't see the shot distribution being easy to handle as I think Keegan/Keon/Carter/Lyles can all use more shots. Just get the feeling Monte is going to pull the trigger even though this coming off season is the best time to make the larger moves.
We will know by then what Fox wants to do and that is #1 priority followed by the upgrade you mentioned.
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Re: 24-25 Trade Thread 

Post#308 » by LightTheBeam » Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:17 pm

OxAndFox wrote:
LightTheBeam wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:
I think ultimately he gets traded for Cam Johnson along with 2 x 1sts.

Fox/Monk/Keegan/Cam/Sabonis
Carter/Keon/DDR/Lyles

I would prefer it to be:
Fox/Keon/Keegan/Cam/Sabonis
Carter/Monk/DDR/Lyles


I don't really want to give 2 1sts for Cam. I get hes another shooter and maybe I'm underrating him, but id rather pay less and get some size/defense in the building, or a true 3rd star. I know his shooting will translate but I don't think we would have the possessions with demar on the team to utilize him.

Also with Keegan/Keon/Carter breaking out, it'd be tough to find them all big minutes with Cam. I'm pretty content with the team as is. Every year I've begged for trades, adding Carter, and promoting Keon to full time gave us a nice boost.

My realistic goal - swap Huerter for Zach.
Give our pick to ATL this summer
Next year we open all of ours 1sts + more 2nds. At that point we look at ways to upgrade the PF spot using Demar/Zach + picks. Could be a summer deal, or mid of next year.

Maybe then Lauri becomes available? I'd max out picks for him. Demar + Collins + 3 1sts for Lauri

Or maybe Suns want to move on from Durant and we want a 2 year championship window. Derozan/Collins + 1-2 1sts for Durant.

Cam just feels like Barnes part 2 but more expensive. He's nearing 30, hes never really been a big needle mover. He's having a career year but prior to this year he was a disappearing act.


I agree with everything you mention. And I don't see the shot distribution being easy to handle as I think Keegan/Keon/Carter/Lyles can all use more shots. Just get the feeling Monte is going to pull the trigger even though this coming off season is the best time to make the larger moves.
We will know by then what Fox wants to do and that is #1 priority followed by the upgrade you mentioned.


Yea I'm probably unfairly harsh on Cam.

I just try to focus on what kind of role the guy would have on our team. He isn't surpassing any of the top 4 options. So a 5th scoring option who is average defensively, is that really worth 2 1sts?

For example
Lakers gave 3 2nds for Rui. Rui has went two years of shooting 42% from 3.
Lakers gave 3 2nds for DFS. He's shooting 42% from 3 and a legit defender.
Mavs gave up a single 1st + a bad 4 year contract for PJ + 2 2nds
Jazz gave up a single 2nd for Fontecchio

These are just some of the recent forward trades that come to mind.
Now Cam maybe better than Rui/DFS/Fontecchio, I'd prefer PJ over him but fine it's close. The most a team gave up was a 1st, but they got to dump a bad contract and then got some 2nds back.

If we could get Cam for the price Dallas paid for PJ, I'd be fine with that. Otherwise I'm looking elsewhere. I'm not overpaying for a meh fit.

Also... The team seems committed to closing with Fox-Monk-Demar. If we trade for Cam just to plop Keegan on the bench at the end of games that would be a total disaster. I'd want to know that Doug is ready to bench one of Monk/Derozan at the end of games in favor of Cam. Or again we would be paying a premium to not upgrade our "best 5".

But In theory if we get Cam, a closing 5 of Fox - Cam - Keegan - Sabonis with 1 of Keon, Carter, Derozan, Monk depending on who is hot/needed would be deadly. Imagine Keon, Cam, Keegan spacing the floor for Fox to go to work.
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Post#309 » by OxAndFox » Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:49 am

LightTheBeam wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:
LightTheBeam wrote:


Yea I'm probably unfairly harsh on Cam.

I just try to focus on what kind of role the guy would have on our team. He isn't surpassing any of the top 4 options. So a 5th scoring option who is average defensively, is that really worth 2 1sts?

For example
Lakers gave 3 2nds for Rui. Rui has went two years of shooting 42% from 3.
Lakers gave 3 2nds for DFS. He's shooting 42% from 3 and a legit defender.
Mavs gave up a single 1st + a bad 4 year contract for PJ + 2 2nds
Jazz gave up a single 2nd for Fontecchio

These are just some of the recent forward trades that come to mind.
Now Cam maybe better than Rui/DFS/Fontecchio, I'd prefer PJ over him but fine it's close. The most a team gave up was a 1st, but they got to dump a bad contract and then got some 2nds back.

If we could get Cam for the price Dallas paid for PJ, I'd be fine with that. Otherwise I'm looking elsewhere. I'm not overpaying for a meh fit.

Also... The team seems committed to closing with Fox-Monk-Demar. If we trade for Cam just to plop Keegan on the bench at the end of games that would be a total disaster. I'd want to know that Doug is ready to bench one of Monk/Derozan at the end of games in favor of Cam. Or again we would be paying a premium to not upgrade our "best 5".

But In theory if we get Cam, a closing 5 of Fox - Cam - Keegan - Sabonis with 1 of Keon, Carter, Derozan, Monk depending on who is hot/needed would be deadly. Imagine Keon, Cam, Keegan spacing the floor for Fox to go to work.


All excellent points. I do think Cam is much better than all of the guys there, but I understand some of what makes things closer is fit on this team, so realistically PJ is close to value to the Kings.
At some point though Monte can't just keep coming up with the same excuses to not upgrade the talent on the team. Yes he did so with DDR, but realistically he isn't required on this squad. Ideally his position needs to be that starting 4.
The problem I'm seeing is there are no other options. IMO they're either lower end, not gettable or simply not the right archetype.

I still say give this team until the start of February and if they're in the top 6 they need to swing a trade that gets them some sort of HCA for the POs.
I mean its so tight and with both Houston and Memphis having tougher schedules and the Kings playing them 3 more times between them the 6 game gap isn't big at all for the #2 seed.
If the Kings make the POs and a main reason for not making it out of the 1st is due to size, Monte shouldn't have a job. Near enough isn't good enough any more.
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Post#310 » by OxAndFox » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:18 am

And I will add with regard to trades. When is it going to be the Kings swing a trade for future draft capital? Monte loves burning capital, but he is leaving the Kings in a bad spot moving forward. As you mention LTB there have been useful players gained with 2nds, but not many of the below were spent on this current roster.

Picks Out in Monte era
'25/26 1st (Sac - Protected) or 26 + 27 2nd (Sac)
'20 2nd (Hou - #52)
'21 2nd (Mem - #46)
'22 2nd (Sac - #37)
'22 2nd (Chi - #49)
'23 2nd (Ind - #38)
'24 2nd (Por - #33)
'24 2nd (Sac - #45)
'24 2nd (Dal - #54)
'25 2nd (Por)
'25 2nd (Sac)
'28 2nd (Sac)
'28 2nd (Dal)
'30 2nd (Sac)
'31 1st (Sac) swap option with SAS
'31 2nd (Sac)

Draft Picks Left To Trade At This Deadline:
'28 1st/'30 1st OR '28 1st/'31 1st OR '29 1st/'31 1st
'29 2nd (Sac)
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Re: 24-25 Trade Thread 

Post#311 » by BoogieTime » Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:09 am

You don’t trade two firsts for a role player like that

Monte has been fine in not overpaying, if there is a deal there is a deal
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Post#312 » by OxAndFox » Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:23 am

BoogieTime wrote:You don’t trade two firsts for a role player like that

Monte has been fine in not overpaying, if there is a deal there is a deal


I'm not saying I would do it. Just saying I get the feeling that's what its going to be.

Monte is on the hot seat. His job is on the line, no doubt about that. He HAS spent all/most of the draft capital the Kings had but for 2 x 1sts so it's not as if he hasn't been using it up, it's just that he has been doing it to cut costs.
The time is ticking and his time in Sacramento might just be coming to an end. If Fox is still on this roster come the off season, which I think he absolutely will be, you don't want Monte in charge of that situation.
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Re: 24-25 Trade Thread 

Post#313 » by BoogieTime » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:37 am

OxAndFox wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:You don’t trade two firsts for a role player like that

Monte has been fine in not overpaying, if there is a deal there is a deal


I'm not saying I would do it. Just saying I get the feeling that's what its going to be.

Monte is on the hot seat. His job is on the line, no doubt about that. He HAS spent all/most of the draft capital the Kings had but for 2 x 1sts so it's not as if he hasn't been using it up, it's just that he has been doing it to cut costs.
The time is ticking and his time in Sacramento might just be coming to an end. If Fox is still on this roster come the off season, which I think he absolutely will be, you don't want Monte in charge of that situation.


I’d rather take a chance that Kuzma is bored for cheap than overpay for Cam
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Post#314 » by OxAndFox » Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:29 am

BoogieTime wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:You don’t trade two firsts for a role player like that

Monte has been fine in not overpaying, if there is a deal there is a deal


I'm not saying I would do it. Just saying I get the feeling that's what its going to be.

Monte is on the hot seat. His job is on the line, no doubt about that. He HAS spent all/most of the draft capital the Kings had but for 2 x 1sts so it's not as if he hasn't been using it up, it's just that he has been doing it to cut costs.
The time is ticking and his time in Sacramento might just be coming to an end. If Fox is still on this roster come the off season, which I think he absolutely will be, you don't want Monte in charge of that situation.


I’d rather take a chance that Kuzma is bored for cheap than overpay for Cam


Kuzma. Cheap. Lets see if he goes for a 2nd. I don't think he will. Because you realise the Kings only have 1 x 2nd to deal right? Which leads to a 1st. Which even though I'm not suggesting its the best way to go, I would pay 1 x 1st more for Cam than Kuzma. Better contract, better* fit.
Again, I'm not advocating for a Cam trade, but if its 1 x 1st for Kuzma then an additional 1st for a better player I wouldn't destroy Monte for giving it a try.
Worst case scenario Cam turns into a $22m expiring defender (which he can be THAT guy) in 26/27 instead of a $19m expiring that has turned into a guy that a team wouldn't touch because what's easier to find? A volume scorer or just some guy that can put the ball in the hole? That's Kuzma.
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Re: 24-25 Trade Thread 

Post#315 » by BoogieTime » Tue Jan 14, 2025 9:55 am

OxAndFox wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:
I'm not saying I would do it. Just saying I get the feeling that's what its going to be.

Monte is on the hot seat. His job is on the line, no doubt about that. He HAS spent all/most of the draft capital the Kings had but for 2 x 1sts so it's not as if he hasn't been using it up, it's just that he has been doing it to cut costs.
The time is ticking and his time in Sacramento might just be coming to an end. If Fox is still on this roster come the off season, which I think he absolutely will be, you don't want Monte in charge of that situation.


I’d rather take a chance that Kuzma is bored for cheap than overpay for Cam


Kuzma. Cheap. Lets see if he goes for a 2nd. I don't think he will. Because you realise the Kings only have 1 x 2nd to deal right? Which leads to a 1st. Which even though I'm not suggesting its the best way to go, I would pay 1 x 1st more for Cam than Kuzma. Better contract, better* fit.
Again, I'm not advocating for a Cam trade, but if its 1 x 1st for Kuzma then an additional 1st for a better player I wouldn't destroy Monte for giving it a try.
Worst case scenario Cam turns into a $22m expiring defender (which he can be THAT guy) in 26/27 instead of a $19m expiring that has turned into a guy that a team wouldn't touch because what's easier to find? A volume scorer or just some guy that can put the ball in the hole? That's Kuzma.


I dont think he's near a first with the year he has had. Maybe sweetening/expirings.. I think thats the reason we are sniffing around him
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Re: 24-25 Trade Thread 

Post#316 » by OGSactownballer » Tue Jan 14, 2025 9:42 pm

BoogieTime wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:
I’d rather take a chance that Kuzma is bored for cheap than overpay for Cam


Kuzma. Cheap. Lets see if he goes for a 2nd. I don't think he will. Because you realise the Kings only have 1 x 2nd to deal right? Which leads to a 1st. Which even though I'm not suggesting its the best way to go, I would pay 1 x 1st more for Cam than Kuzma. Better contract, better* fit.
Again, I'm not advocating for a Cam trade, but if its 1 x 1st for Kuzma then an additional 1st for a better player I wouldn't destroy Monte for giving it a try.
Worst case scenario Cam turns into a $22m expiring defender (which he can be THAT guy) in 26/27 instead of a $19m expiring that has turned into a guy that a team wouldn't touch because what's easier to find? A volume scorer or just some guy that can put the ball in the hole? That's Kuzma.


I dont think he's near a first with the year he has had. Maybe sweetening/expirings.. I think thats the reason we are sniffing around him


I agree with this.

There is a reason why there has been little talk/noise around a lot of these really low end starter/rotation player guys. None of them moves the needle that much to make them worth even ONE first with the new restrictions.

We are seeing the first real trade deadline here where the impact of the first and second aprons is really being felt.

Teams aren’t just firing off first rounders for average and borderline overpaid players any more. They can’t. They are cap strapped to their own top guys or bad contracts and cannot take the chance of not finding cheap replacements in the draft. It’s similar to what has happened in the NGL where there is much more dependency on good drafting to fill the roster. It’s far cheaper and more sustainable.

If you aren’t a real contender, then you don’t give your picks away.

As was stated earlier in the thread. If we are up to the point of being one of the top three seeds post ASG and looking like we are firmly locked in there, that would be the time to make a move as that is contender level positioning. That’s the point where how far you go is going to be determined by luck and health because you are showing that your team is at that talent level.

Now can we say we are there right now? No. We still lack size and some depth at the key spots. We do have guys - specifically Fox and DDR - who can get that must have it bucket to close out at the end of games. We have most of the other ingredients as well. We lack some size/length - although as we watch players being used properly here since Doug took over not nearly so much as many thought.

But this is where I come back around to saying that the best move is to make something that seems lower impact to the general take based on what is most intriguing (Cam) and overpriced based on a shallow market.

So I come back to where I was before and say the way to go is to either go cheap with a second and Huerter for Collins to solve the size issue directly and maintain the rotation as it stands and add to it. Or look to see if you can package the salary relief of Len/McDermott along with Huerter and a second or “future considerations” (highly protected future first like top 24 or another second to convey when the ATL trade restrictions drop) for Val and Kuzma and REALLY increase your effective size and depth.

We will see what Monte does or doesn’t do. But I truly feel that there is still time and no rush and it’s best to see if this team is close to as good as they have looked being properly utilized or not over the next two weeks or so.
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Post#317 » by FarBeyondDriven » Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:25 am

only way I'd entertain Kuzma is if they throw in a guy like Valanciunas because then we'd have legit depth and would have addressed two major needs (backup for Sabonis) and pushing Keegan to his more appropriate SF position. We'd need a 3rd team to match salaries (we really only have Huerter going out) but it's very possible a team would help if they were getting a 2nd.

I don't think this move makes us title contenders but it'd make us a scary out, capable of winning a series or two which we haven't had in 20+ years. It's a realistic move that would work for all parties and I wouldn't criticize Monte for making it even though I'm mostly dead set against trading 1st round picks. If they want to keep Fox this is bare minimum what it would take to get it done and gives us a fighting chance even if he doesn't make all-NBA, not that I think he'd stay regardless.
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Post#318 » by OxAndFox » Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:44 am

FarBeyondDriven wrote:only way I'd entertain Kuzma is if they throw in a guy like Valanciunas because then we'd have legit depth and would have addressed two major needs (backup for Sabonis) and pushing Keegan to his more appropriate SF position. We'd need a 3rd team to match salaries (we really only have Huerter going out) but it's very possible a team would help if they were getting a 2nd.

I don't think this move makes us title contenders but it'd make us a scary out, capable of winning a series or two which we haven't had in 20+ years. It's a realistic move that would work for all parties and I wouldn't criticize Monte for making it even though I'm mostly dead set against trading 1st round picks. If they want to keep Fox this is bare minimum what it would take to get it done and gives us a fighting chance even if he doesn't make all-NBA, not that I think he'd stay regardless.


And that is what I am seeing with any potential move. Monte has backed himself into a corner where his only tradeable draft assets is literally 1 x 2nd and 2 x 1sts.
So you can't trade multiple 2nds so then it goes to a 1st round pick.

Unless you're trading one of the core guys, which defeats the purpose IMO you have:

Huerter
1 x 2029 2nd
1 x 2028 1st
1 x 2030 1st

The rest is just salary filler at min money.
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Re: 24-25 Trade Thread 

Post#319 » by LightTheBeam » Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:49 pm

OxAndFox wrote:
FarBeyondDriven wrote:only way I'd entertain Kuzma is if they throw in a guy like Valanciunas because then we'd have legit depth and would have addressed two major needs (backup for Sabonis) and pushing Keegan to his more appropriate SF position. We'd need a 3rd team to match salaries (we really only have Huerter going out) but it's very possible a team would help if they were getting a 2nd.

I don't think this move makes us title contenders but it'd make us a scary out, capable of winning a series or two which we haven't had in 20+ years. It's a realistic move that would work for all parties and I wouldn't criticize Monte for making it even though I'm mostly dead set against trading 1st round picks. If they want to keep Fox this is bare minimum what it would take to get it done and gives us a fighting chance even if he doesn't make all-NBA, not that I think he'd stay regardless.


And that is what I am seeing with any potential move. Monte has backed himself into a corner where his only tradeable draft assets is literally 1 x 2nd and 2 x 1sts.
So you can't trade multiple 2nds so then it goes to a 1st round pick.

Unless you're trading one of the core guys, which defeats the purpose IMO you have:

Huerter
1 x 2029 2nd
1 x 2028 1st
1 x 2030 1st

The rest is just salary filler at min money.


This is really the mind blowing thing.

I remember Vlade would collect 2nds like Candy. It seemed like every trade was some minor piece for a 2nd and cash considerations. I didn't appreciate it then, but fast forward and IDK what the hell Monte even does with the 2nds or how we ended up in this spot. Just total mismanagement.

We paid 2 2nds to swap Davion + Sasha for McDaniels. Sasha gets bought out for 0, and then we waive McDaniels. What was the difference in McDaniels and Davions salary? 1-2 million. What a joke. I've never seen that cost to dump a million. 99% of the time you pay some cash and teams absorb the difference to make a few bucks. But god forbid Vivek ever includes cash in his deals.

We gave up a swap to a team with the next generational talent to take Barnes (who has been good for them), and then still gave 2 2nds to Chicago for taking on Duarte's small deal. After we gave Indiana 2 2nds for the bust known as Duarte. So Duarte costs us 4 2nds himself, when it was obvious he was a bad player.

so 4 2nds + a swap to get Demar basically.

Then how many 2nds have we sold instead of trading them for future capital. Outside of Lyles deal, and Sabonis, Monte's trades have been pretty horrendous.
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Re: 24-25 Trade Thread 

Post#320 » by OxAndFox » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:51 pm

LightTheBeam wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:
FarBeyondDriven wrote:


This is really the mind blowing thing.

I remember Vlade would collect 2nds like Candy. It seemed like every trade was some minor piece for a 2nd and cash considerations. I didn't appreciate it then, but fast forward and IDK what the hell Monte even does with the 2nds or how we ended up in this spot. Just total mismanagement.

We paid 2 2nds to swap Davion + Sasha for McDaniels. Sasha gets bought out for 0, and then we waive McDaniels. What was the difference in McDaniels and Davions salary? 1-2 million. What a joke. I've never seen that cost to dump a million. 99% of the time you pay some cash and teams absorb the difference to make a few bucks. But god forbid Vivek ever includes cash in his deals.

We gave up a swap to a team with the next generational talent to take Barnes (who has been good for them), and then still gave 2 2nds to Chicago for taking on Duarte's small deal. After we gave Indiana 2 2nds for the bust known as Duarte. So Duarte costs us 4 2nds himself, when it was obvious he was a bad player.

so 4 2nds + a swap to get Demar basically.

Then how many 2nds have we sold instead of trading them for future capital. Outside of Lyles deal, and Sabonis, Monte's trades have been pretty horrendous.


then we waive McDaniels.


No we didn't. To make matters worse, he was traded to the Spurs along with the 2031 2nd round pick for essentially a fake 2nd round pick that is Chicago's and protected top 55.

So the trade was:
Davion
Sasha
#45 Pick
'25 Port 2nd (currently at #37)
'31 Sac 2nd

For (drumroll please)
'25 Chi 2nd (protected top 55)

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