2024-25 General Thread

[OGSactownballer]

And Mike Brown who probably knows more about basketball than all of us (why he’s an nba coach, and one who won COY multiple times I believe) agreed.

And that decision most likely led to him getting fired lmao

Losing the team did.

I thought Brown actually graced Keon as the starter coming into this season possibly, but with how awful the team and he looked in SL/preseason he had to go with Huerter despite coming off lengthy injury and he has better stats last year with the starters

Than when Huerter began losing his career he thought he would go with the best playmaker and arguably second most important player on the team Monk (Fox could’ve been moved and the team starting the dynamic Monk/Keon).

Just further cementing the fact that Mike Brown is one of the luckiest situational coaches of all time and not very good when it comes down to actual coaching ability.

[OGSactownballer]

You are right hes already starting in on keegan "innate motor". Didn't take long

It’s apparent to anyone watching that he disappears sporadically

It's hard for him to get involved when you have three volume scorers plus a facilitating big man sharing the floor with him. He's improved so much defensively but we aren't helping his offensive development bringing in all these volume guys and lowering him in the pecking order. Can't expect him to develop into this 18-20 ppg two way guy if the shots aren't there to go around.

I am firmly convinced this is an intentional things as well to attempt to keep him cheap as a re sign.

[OGSactownballer]

2:35 on Napears post game, his first thought is Keegan’s inconsistency (without me even listening prior)

It’s glaring to his non fans, and at issue

Well this certainly is revealing.

Listening to Napear and taking all his Ish seriously is toxic.

[OxAndFox]

It’s apparent to anyone watching that he disappears sporadically

It's hard for him to get involved when you have three volume scorers plus a facilitating big man sharing the floor with him. He's improved so much defensively but we aren't helping his offensive development bringing in all these volume guys and lowering him in the pecking order. Can't expect him to develop into this 18-20 ppg two way guy if the shots aren't there to go around.

I am firmly convinced this is an intentional things as well to attempt to keep him cheap as a re sign.

Yep. I mentioned it a while back. IMO the Kings are Donte DiVincenzo'ing him. Kings better not get cute with this. Keon would have enough fans from other teams' FO that he will get a large offer so if they decline his option with the thoughts of low balling him on a long term deal then I don't think it's a good idea. He is already worth $10m per year as a starting caliber defensive 2 guard that can hit the 3 IMO. Some team may even go further than that and give him full MLE.
I know KCP has more runs on the board and is better overall, but he is the archetype for Keon, who is having a much better season. KCP just got 3/66m from Orlando. Keon is 25 so he needs to secure a long term contract for as much as possible.

Overall I don't think they can decline his option now any way (not literally) as he should be pretty upset with the organisation at how he is being treated.

[LightTheBeam]

Funny thought watching the game. Sabonis would be perfect in Portland.

Camara + Deni + Grant are 3 huge dudes to cover him defensively. The guards play fast, use screens, and can all knock down 3s.

It would be kind of fitting to send him back to where his dad played+ where he grew up.

[OxAndFox]

Funny thought watching the game. Sabonis would be perfect in Portland.

Camara + Deni + Grant are 3 huge dudes to cover him defensively. The guards play fast, use screens, and can all knock down 3s.

It would be kind of fitting to send him back to where his dad played+ where he grew up.

Just going to need Simons and a 1st. That's what the Fox trade looked like. And the way this franchise values players, we get the better (shorter) player.

[OxAndFox]

Ok. So now it's completely obvious right? Lavine is going to end up the PG? Not saying that's THE answer.
I'm not even joking here, and I have mentioned it in a previous season due to Keegan starting at the 4, but they need to look into starting Lyles. Or just start Sabonis at the 4. He won't do any worse than Lavine and DDR out there defensively. But I would first try the Lyles one. Every successful team has guys on it that start, simply to play a role. And the funny thing is that was Doug. He should know this.

Lavine/Monk
Keon/DDR
Keegan/LaRavia
Lyles
Sabonis/Val

Doesn't mean Lyles plays a huge amount of minutes. He can still stick around the 20mpg. If Sabonis gives you 7-8 at the 4 with Val and another 4-5 of LaRavia there. That leaves 15mpg for Keegan to play the 4, so around 20mpg at the 3.

That would mean Val gets to around 20mpg too as he needs the minutes. The Kings should have Monk/DDR/Val as guys coming off the bench that should start, but this team would function A LOT better if they were still playing the minutes but just off the bench. Get the defenders out there and set the tone at that end of the floor.

[BoogieTime]

Ok. So now it's completely obvious right? Lavine is going to end up the PG? Not saying that's THE answer.
I'm not even joking here, and I have mentioned it in a previous season due to Keegan starting at the 4, but they need to look into starting Lyles. Or just start Sabonis at the 4. He won't do any worse than Lavine and DDR out there defensively. But I would first try the Lyles one. Every successful team has guys on it that start, simply to play a role. And the funny thing is that was Doug. He should know this.

Lavine/Monk
Keon/DDR
Keegan/LaRavia
Lyles
Sabonis/Val

Doesn't mean Lyles plays a huge amount of minutes. He can still stick around the 20mpg. If Sabonis gives you 7-8 at the 4 with Val and another 4-5 of LaRavia there. That leaves 15mpg for Keegan to play the 4, so around 20mpg at the 3.

That would mean Val gets to around 20mpg too as he needs the minutes. The Kings should have Monk/DDR/Val as guys coming off the bench that should start, but this team would function A LOT better if they were still playing the minutes but just off the bench. Get the defenders out there and set the tone at that end of the floor.

Monk is the PG and Lyles isn’t playing any minutes

[LightTheBeam]

Ok. So now it's completely obvious right? Lavine is going to end up the PG? Not saying that's THE answer.
I'm not even joking here, and I have mentioned it in a previous season due to Keegan starting at the 4, but they need to look into starting Lyles. Or just start Sabonis at the 4. He won't do any worse than Lavine and DDR out there defensively. But I would first try the Lyles one. Every successful team has guys on it that start, simply to play a role. And the funny thing is that was Doug. He should know this.

Lavine/Monk
Keon/DDR
Keegan/LaRavia
Lyles
Sabonis/Val

Doesn't mean Lyles plays a huge amount of minutes. He can still stick around the 20mpg. If Sabonis gives you 7-8 at the 4 with Val and another 4-5 of LaRavia there. That leaves 15mpg for Keegan to play the 4, so around 20mpg at the 3.

That would mean Val gets to around 20mpg too as he needs the minutes. The Kings should have Monk/DDR/Val as guys coming off the bench that should start, but this team would function A LOT better if they were still playing the minutes but just off the bench. Get the defenders out there and set the tone at that end of the floor.

At this point I wouldn't mind trying Lavine at the point and letting monk come back off the bench. Lavine has much more experience than Monk being on ball.

Monk feels like he's lost his mojo, might be upset about Fox, maybe it's having the tougher matchup, and overthinking being the official pg.

I highly doubt they bench Derozan. And that makes it a lot more questionable with handling. Lavine and nobody else. Not to put too much pressure on LaRavia but I think he's got a little ball handling ability + connecting passer. Him starting might make it more do-able, and definitely improves our defense.

Lavine/Monk
Keon/Carter
LaRavia/derozan
Keegan/Lyles
Sabonis/Jval

This actually makes sense to me.

The initial focus can be around lavine/sabonis dho, surrounded by guys who can shoot/defend. When we go to the bench we just outscore the opponent with monk/derozan/jval. Carter can focus much more on defense, lyles can be a floor spacer for them.

Id close with monk-keon-lavine/derozan-keeyan-sabonis.
Gotta have Keon spreading the floor and playing on ball defense.

[OxAndFox]

Think we all know where coach will be next year. Looks like he is taking his talents to Australia.
I'm joking, but he is in Australia at the final RS game between Sydney and Illawara. The latter is coached by Justin Tatum, father of Jayson, and has done a brilliant job by leading them to the league's best record for the first time in their history in just his first full season as coach. He took over last season after a shocking start (2-7) by the previous coach and took them into the play in with a record of 14-14.
They ended up going down 2-1 in the semi's. Anyway, Tatum looks legit as a coach. Just a really guy that leaves no stone unturned. They took a chance on him as an assistant even when they signed him, then when he got the head coaching interim job, he just blew everyone away with taking control of the entire program. THAT is what Doug has to do if he wants the job long term in Sacramento IMO.

[Silver Man]

I mean we should be playing to protect our pick which with our play we are unintentionally. Just a mix and match team with not identity for modern NBA game.

[LightTheBeam]

Have we officially reached a lower point than the 6 game losing streak? At least at that point it looked like the coach could be fired and good deadline moves could fix the long term direction.

[LightTheBeam]

I mean we should be playing to protect our pick which with our play we are unintentionally. Just a mix and match team with not identity for modern NBA game.

I guarantee that pick is staying with us. It's currently at 12, but..

SA just added Fox and is going to pass us.
GS added Jimmy
Portland has a really athletic/egoless team and is likely to pass us.
We are only 4 games ahead of Philly and they have zero reason to tank
Only 2 games ahead of ATL and they also have no reason to tank.

I'm guessing that pick ends up #10, but 8 or 9 is still in play also.

Getting a top 3 pick might be the only way we can turn this franchise around. And this is absolutely the year to do it.

When Fox asked out, instead of making these half assed moves we should have done a full tear down. We could have easily fallen to 7th, and had a 32% chance for a top 4 pick that could have been franchise changing.

[LightTheBeam]

You guys see Fox clearing the air with Dave. It's exactly what I thought. Such a bush league organization. Fired the coach and let the star player take the blame. Then started taking calls to trade him.

Monte and Wilcox sabotaged the team with 1 foot out the door. What a joke.

[OxAndFox]

You guys see Fox clearing the air with Dave. It's exactly what I thought. Such a bush league organization. Fired the coach and let the star player take the blame. Then started taking calls to trade him.

Monte and Wilcox sabotaged the team with 1 foot out the door. What a joke.

Not a great look. Not suggesting Fox did everything right either, and I certainly don't agree with keeping Brown, but there is so much in there that is poor by the Kings, that has been a constant in Sacramento.

[LightTheBeam]

You guys see Fox clearing the air with Dave. It's exactly what I thought. Such a bush league organization. Fired the coach and let the star player take the blame. Then started taking calls to trade him.

Monte and Wilcox sabotaged the team with 1 foot out the door. What a joke.

Not a great look. Not suggesting Fox did everything right either, and I certainly don't agree with keeping Brown, but there is so much in there that is poor by the Kings, that has been a constant in Sacramento.

4 directions we could have taken -
1. Keep Brown, do nothing
2. Keep Brown, Fix the roster
3. Fire Brown, Fix the Roster (my preference)
4. Fire Brown, don't fix the roster

Guess which one we did lol

[OxAndFox]

4 directions we could have taken -
1. Keep Brown, do nothing
2. Keep Brown, Fix the roster
3. Fire Brown, Fix the Roster (my preference)
4. Fire Brown, don't fix the roster

Guess which one we did lol

Agreed. The only thing I will say, and this is what all Kings fans should be concerned with. Is this roster a Monte roster or is it half Monte mixed with Vivek. I think it's the latter.

All you want as a fan base is for the FO to have control of the moves they make, so they can be for sure be held accountable. Yes the owner needs to give the final approval, however it should be automatic unless its a financial thing.

Then you have the absolute abysmal professionalism of the franchise outside of the playing group, namely what happened with Kings PR and I understand why the players get frustrated.

[OxAndFox]

I think one of the things that should not be glossed over is the news that Mike Brown wanted to fire 2 of the assistant coaches, and one wasn't Doug.

[blind prophet]

Have we officially reached a lower point than the 6 game losing streak? At least at that point it looked like the coach could be fired and good deadline moves could fix the long term direction.

I think we are at a lower point.

The direction seems to be do the best you can with what you have. There doesn't seem to be much long term foundational notions. Just try to get into the playoff mix.

If we accept Sabonis as our franchise player, we really need to figure something out in the offseason.

[blind prophet]

I think one of the things that should not be glossed over is the news that Mike Brown wanted to fire 2 of the assistant coaches, and one wasn't Doug.

I recall Marc Spears saying the organization wanted Brown to fire one coach. Then Brown refused. Was the Spears report inaccurate?