2024-25 General Thread

[OGSactownballer]

Agreed.

Also if these guys fly off to Cancun or wherever over this time and don’t get their rear ends in and PRACTICE together at least three or four days, then they really don’t care about winning because this broken iso ball mess isn’t gonna cut it when it comes to playoff time.

[KF10]

Agreed.

Also if these guys fly off to Cancun or wherever over this time and don’t get their rear ends in and PRACTICE together at least three or four days, then they really don’t care about winning because this broken iso ball mess isn’t gonna cut it when it comes to playoff time.

I agree!

But correct me if I'm wrong but during yesterday's broadcast, they mentioned that Doug doesn't hold practice in a similar regard to coach Brown. They also mentioned Doug likes to give his guys an extended break and will practice one or two days tops next week.



This team isn't serious at all if that's the case

[Silver Man]

Agreed.

Also if these guys fly off to Cancun or wherever over this time and don’t get their rear ends in and PRACTICE together at least three or four days, then they really don’t care about winning because this broken iso ball mess isn’t gonna cut it when it comes to playoff time.

I agree!

But correct me if I'm wrong but during yesterday's broadcast, they mentioned that Doug doesn't hold practice in a similar regard to coach Brown. They also mentioned Doug likes to give his guys an extended break and will practice one or two days tops next week.



This team isn't serious at all if that's the case

Doug seems more like a buddy who is trying to get the players to support him for the off season when he's trying to get the full time gig than an actual coach. But then again when have we been a serious team?

[KF10]

Doug seems more like a buddy who is trying to get the players to support him for the off season when he's trying to get the full time gig than an actual coach. But then again when have we been a serious team?

A player's coach is only valuable when the players are able to hold themselves accountable and able to check themselves. But the Kings players don't do that. So, basically, Doug is enabling this team's bad habits and mentality. Not good.

I hope I'm wrong though.

Honestly, we need a more serious coach (and several players) that can hold the team accountable and keeping righting the ship when it is right. Because right now, this core is flawed. The team's defense absolutely horrid and giving up points like candy. The 3pt defense game plan is absolutely terrible. I thought Doug would fix this issue but hasn't so far.

[OxAndFox]

Agreed.

Also if these guys fly off to Cancun or wherever over this time and don’t get their rear ends in and PRACTICE together at least three or four days, then they really don’t care about winning because this broken iso ball mess isn’t gonna cut it when it comes to playoff time.

I agree!

But correct me if I'm wrong but during yesterday's broadcast, they mentioned that Doug doesn't hold practice in a similar regard to coach Brown. They also mentioned Doug likes to give his guys an extended break and will practice one or two days tops next week.



This team isn't serious at all if that's the case

Think there needs to be a balance to this. And Doug is leaning a little too far into the not practising much line. IMO, give the guys a couple of days and then its a mini camp.

[OGSactownballer]

Agreed.

Also if these guys fly off to Cancun or wherever over this time and don’t get their rear ends in and PRACTICE together at least three or four days, then they really don’t care about winning because this broken iso ball mess isn’t gonna cut it when it comes to playoff time.

I agree!

But correct me if I'm wrong but during yesterday's broadcast, they mentioned that Doug doesn't hold practice in a similar regard to coach Brown. They also mentioned Doug likes to give his guys an extended break and will practice one or two days tops next week.



This team isn't serious at all if that's the case

Think there needs to be a balance to this. And Doug is leaning a little too far into the not practising much line. IMO, give the guys a couple of days and then its a mini camp.

What got out of that segment yesterday was that Mike Brown would literally stop and sit them down and give an hour and a half teacher type lecture about how they were playing. Doug doesn’t do that and it’s a major difference. He actually works with run through of plays and situations - which is for me having been coached that way and with strength and endurance training (which they also do separately) is really the way to handle it.

Camp is when you do the sit down and plan and intro thing. Veteran players are just going to check out and young guys will be lost if you are doing that crap every practice. I’ve watched it at all levels my whole life.

What really needs to stop though is exactly what they said Mike was keen on which was total emphasis on defending the paint and helping on bigs. Whether by rotation adjustment or eliminating that practice, the key to being successful defensively in today’s NBA is to limit the three. Every team is now jacking up nearly half their shots from three because the metrics clearly show that it has more ultimate value per possession/shot than slamming the paint.

Don’t follows that this is why we constantly get killed from three. Even poor shooters left open are going to hit those shots if there is as much time given as is happening from the constant double and triple teams low.

And the other thing that needs to happen is recognition of a streaky shooter like CJ getting hot. His defender needs to be like a shirt on him so he has ZERO space at all. That’s where the other night pissed me off that Keon wasn’t in and assigned to just hound him as the only guy that was keeping them in the game and getting ahead. It’s a simple defensive concept. Make the other guys beat you, not the hot hand. No matter what he gets no looks of any quality. And the other thing is they talked about us being a tough team.

BS.

A tough team has one or two of a Draymond/Smart/Brooks type of player. A tough team has someone like Val or Lyles seriously knock CJ on his rear end HARD after the first couple of circus shots when he gets cocky and starts to take drives to the hoop (that’s how he got his back broken a couple years ago because he’s actually very small for a SG). And ESPECIALLY when he started going off physically on Keon and Monk when they were guarding him tight. You take care of your guards and coach tells you not to allow that kind of thing to happen.

I miss a lot of that aspect of traditional pro ball where if you got disrespectful in your play, you knew what was coming your way. And this team has a couple guys who will go there but they need to be directed to enforce so teams aren’t lighting them up. A huge part of M
NBA level “great” defense is simply aggressive physicality with the attitude that “they can’t call every foul” and just go balls to the wall.

[Wingy]

Performed 1st spin on Tankathon today, and landed Flagg for y’all. If it’s not the Bulls, would be pretty cool for it to be Bulls West.

PS - I love DeMar, but what the hell does he have on these coaches to let the late game offense devolve exclusively into his isos?

[KF10]

Performed 1st spin on Tankathon today, and landed Flagg for y’all. If it’s not the Bulls, would be pretty cool for it to be Bulls West.

PS - I love DeMar, but what the hell does he have on these coaches to let the late game offense devolve exclusively into his isos?

Flagg to the Kings would be a dream but only a pipe dream

DeMar is essentially the first option after Fox was traded. Not sure how the pecking order was in Chicago when they were together but it looks like DeMar is the primary option while Lavine is more of a secondary option in Sacramento. Would like to see more Lavine when his jumper returns.

If anything, more Sabonis-centric offense would be better, imo. Sabonis is the best player on the team.

[Wingy]

Performed 1st spin on Tankathon today, and landed Flagg for y’all. If it’s not the Bulls, would be pretty cool for it to be Bulls West.

PS - I love DeMar, but what the hell does he have on these coaches to let the late game offense devolve exclusively into his isos?

Flagg to the Kings would be a dream but only a pipe dream

DeMar is essentially the first option after Fox was traded. Not sure how the pecking order was in Chicago when they were together but it looks like DeMar is the primary option while Lavine is more of a secondary option in Sacramento. Would like to see more Lavine when his jumper returns.

If anything, more Sabonis-centric offense would be better, imo. Sabonis is the best player on the team.

It was the same in Chicago. I watched a few mins of the Sac vs NOP game the other night, the first nba action I’ve seen at home all season (I’m taking a long vacation from the Bulls). The brief bit I saw seemed like the Bulls too in that the 2nd unit was DeMar and the rest of the team standing around.

I just don’t understand how that’s your offense late game unless he’s simply cooking that particular night. I was reading on RGM that DeMar missed maybe 4 straight late in a recent loss. Basically the same thing the Chicago “offense” devolved into with DeMar.

I know he and Zach are buds off the court, but I wish Zach ended up with a better franchise…no offense…both our teams have struggled in modern memory. Domas is a differentiating hope, and I also hope you guys land a legit PG in the offseason that can take the ball out of DeMar’s hands at times.

[OGSactownballer]

Performed 1st spin on Tankathon today, and landed Flagg for y’all. If it’s not the Bulls, would be pretty cool for it to be Bulls West.

PS - I love DeMar, but what the hell does he have on these coaches to let the late game offense devolve exclusively into his isos?

Flagg to the Kings would be a dream but only a pipe dream

DeMar is essentially the first option after Fox was traded. Not sure how the pecking order was in Chicago when they were together but it looks like DeMar is the primary option while Lavine is more of a secondary option in Sacramento. Would like to see more Lavine when his jumper returns.

If anything, more Sabonis-centric offense would be better, imo. Sabonis is the best player on the team.

It was the same in Chicago. I watched a few mins of the Sac vs NOP game the other night, the first nba action I’ve seen at home all season (I’m taking a long vacation from the Bulls). The brief bit I saw seemed like the Bulls too in that the 2nd unit was DeMar and the rest of the team standing around.

I just don’t understand how that’s your offense late game unless he’s simply cooking that particular night. I was reading on RGM that DeMar missed maybe 4 straight late in a recent loss. Basically the same thing the Chicago “offense” devolved into with DeMar.

I know he and Zach are buds off the court, but I wish Zach ended up with a better franchise…no offense…both our teams have struggled in modern memory. Domas is a differentiating hope, and I also hope you guys land a legit PG in the offseason that can take the ball out of DeMar’s hands at times.

I personally love DeMar.

But the thing is his very last option - including trying to force a foul call and desperation heaves against double and triple teams - is to pass.

Obviously him changing his style is not happening at this point in his career. I’m pretty much happy that he is actually giving effort on the defensive end.

But the facts are that his best role - at least at this point of his career - is as a super scorer sixth man. That doesn’t mean he never closes. Realistically he is still one of the greatest closers in the league because of his superior mid range game and ability to draw fouls. But he needs to be where he is most effective and a large part of why he wasn’t that last game before the break was simply tired legs. His shots were all short. The fact is that back to back running games in the other teams arena and overtime and I wasn’t surprised that a game plan that simply fed DeMar over and over hoping he would carry them didn’t work.

[BoogieTime]

Flagg to the Kings would be a dream but only a pipe dream

DeMar is essentially the first option after Fox was traded. Not sure how the pecking order was in Chicago when they were together but it looks like DeMar is the primary option while Lavine is more of a secondary option in Sacramento. Would like to see more Lavine when his jumper returns.

If anything, more Sabonis-centric offense would be better, imo. Sabonis is the best player on the team.

It was the same in Chicago. I watched a few mins of the Sac vs NOP game the other night, the first nba action I’ve seen at home all season (I’m taking a long vacation from the Bulls). The brief bit I saw seemed like the Bulls too in that the 2nd unit was DeMar and the rest of the team standing around.

I just don’t understand how that’s your offense late game unless he’s simply cooking that particular night. I was reading on RGM that DeMar missed maybe 4 straight late in a recent loss. Basically the same thing the Chicago “offense” devolved into with DeMar.

I know he and Zach are buds off the court, but I wish Zach ended up with a better franchise…no offense…both our teams have struggled in modern memory. Domas is a differentiating hope, and I also hope you guys land a legit PG in the offseason that can take the ball out of DeMar’s hands at times.

I personally love DeMar.

But the thing is his very last option - including trying to force a foul call and desperation heaves against double and triple teams - is to pass.

Obviously him changing his style is not happening at this point in his career. I’m pretty much happy that he is actually giving effort on the defensive end.

But the facts are that his best role - at least at this point of his career - is as a super scorer sixth man. That doesn’t mean he never closes. Realistically he is still one of the greatest closers in the league because of his superior mid range game and ability to draw fouls. But he needs to be where he is most effective and a large part of why he wasn’t that last game before the break was simply tired legs. His shots were all short. The fact is that back to back running games in the other teams arena and overtime and I wasn’t surprised that a game plan that simply fed DeMar over and over hoping he would carry them didn’t work.

Letting him cook off the bench could help in multiple ways...

I think he will be solid in the role.

Hopefully Doug isnt afraid to go with Keon in the starting lineup to hurt Demar's feelings, and he accepts the role given

[OxAndFox]

Ok. I think given the effort of the players tonight along with what has transpired previous to the trade deadline its crystal clear this locker room is completely fractured, potentially beyond repair. You can't put Lavine in that or the other new guys obviously, so it's potentially hard to be critical of them TOO much.

[OxAndFox]

Road map to this franchise being successful. Kings fans stop paying to go to games and stop selling tickets to Warrior fans. Traitors.

[OxAndFox]

Does anyone here actually believe that Monte will be a part of the Kings next season?
Does anyone here actually believe that Doug will be HC of the Kings next season?
Would anyone hire Wes as GM for the Kings next season?

[LightTheBeam]

Does anyone here actually believe that Monte will be a part of the Kings next season?
Does anyone here actually believe that Doug will be HC of the Kings next season?
Would anyone hire Wes as GM for the Kings next season?

Hiring wes would be diabolical. Like pouring gas to put out a fire.

Sadly we are screwed until vivek moves onto his next big venture. Top 5 worst owners. But ill always be optimistic that eventually he hires someone and backs off. Tear down and rebuild

[BoogieTime]

Worst case scenario in the standings is now, 10th and getting popped in the playins. Team needs to make a run or keep this top twelve protected pick. Given the schedule, it will probably be the latter at this point.. If we don't start looking good I might have to start rooting against this team to win

[OxAndFox]

Worst case scenario in the standings is now, 10th and getting popped in the playins. Team needs to make a run or keep this top twelve protected pick. Given the schedule, it will probably be the latter at this point.. If we don't start looking good I might have to start rooting against this team to win

Agreed. I just can't see this team keeping the 10th seed. Feels like everyone has been saying it all season, but Phoenix can't keep on playing poorly can they?

[KF10]

At the very least, they need to change their starting lineup. Monk, Lavine & DDR glut does not work collectively together. Too much O weird energy and zero D intensity.

Need to add Keon into the starting lineup.

I think Lavine is the odd man out.

[OGSactownballer]

Does anyone here actually believe that Monte will be a part of the Kings next season?
Does anyone here actually believe that Doug will be HC of the Kings next season?
Would anyone hire Wes as GM for the Kings next season?

I still cannot blame Monte entirely until Someone offers hard proof (vs radio shock jock BS) that Vivek isn’t the rotten core of all the stupid.

[OxAndFox]

At the very least, they need to change their starting lineup. Monk, Lavine & DDR glut does not work collectively together. Too much O weird energy and zero D intensity.

Need to add Keon into the starting lineup.

I think Lavine is the odd man out.

I get the feeling Monk will go back to the bench. At least until someone finds the Monstar that took his talent.