We should trade Cousins ASAP

[gom]

Kings fans are so patient on these forums. How about keep Cousins and make the post season? This is the year. Good luck!

[Prethia]

Kings fans are so patient on these forums. How about keep Cousins and make the post season? This is the year. Good luck!

Without Cousins we lose because we need to play with Koufos for 48 mins which he cannot manage.With Cousins our offence slows down so much because he just stands behind the 3 pt line,tries to do stepback jumpers,Harden-like drives,shooting 3s etc against a team who plays with D-Mo and Ariza as a center.He turns the ball over so much for a center and he is the cause of a lot of turnovers from other players.His defensive effort is nowhere near the last year.When his outside shot is not good he demoralize his own team and blame the refs.2014-2015 Cousins would make this team a contender but this Cousins has a mindset of a kid and slow downs the team.The only problem is that when he is out we need Koufos to perform for 48 minutes which is not happening.In a lot of matches we did better with Koufos than DMC when Koufos played under 20-25 min.DMC is ineffective and slows the team.

Talentwise, DMC is the best big man in the game.But his mindset wont change he proved it countless times.I would be more than happy if you trade Whiteside+people like Winslow etc for DMC.Watch our last 5-6 match, you will understand what I mean.This guy is(was) the best player in the paint area in 2014-2015 by a big margin.Now he stands behind the 3 pt line even when we play with 4 small and the other teams center is D-Mo.Why would a player stop doing what he do best and tries to what he do worst?

Let me give an example.Did you ever see Casspi post up and try to shoot a fade away like Rudy?No,because he is a smart player and he knows what he can/can't do.Cousins is a kid who puts his own preferences before the teams success.I dont care how he talks to media,his actions proved otherwise

[Captain27]

Cousins to the magic for Nikola Vucevic And Tobias Harris

[Kings2013]

Kings fans are so patient on these forums. How about keep Cousins and make the post season? This is the year. Good luck!

Without Cousins we lose because we need to play with Koufos for 48 mins which he cannot manage.With Cousins our offence slows down so much because he just stands behind the 3 pt line,tries to do stepback jumpers,Harden-like drives,shooting 3s etc against a team who plays with D-Mo and Ariza as a center.He turns the ball over so much for a center and he is the cause of a lot of turnovers from other players.His defensive effort is nowhere near the last year.When his outside shot is not good he demoralize his own team and blame the refs.2014-2015 Cousins would make this team a contender but this Cousins has a mindset of a kid and slow downs the team.The only problem is that when he is out we need Koufos to perform for 48 minutes which is not happening.In a lot of matches we did better with Koufos than DMC when Koufos played under 20-25 min.DMC is ineffective and slows the team.

Talentwise, DMC is the best big man in the game.But his mindset wont change he proved it countless times.I would be more than happy if you trade Whiteside+people like Winslow etc for DMC.Watch our last 5-6 match, you will understand what I mean.This guy is(was) the best player in the paint area in 2014-2015 by a big margin.Now he stands behind the 3 pt line even when we play with 4 small and the other teams center is D-Mo.Why would a player stop doing what he do best and tries to what he do worst?

Let me give an example.Did you ever see Casspi post up and try to shoot a fade away like Rudy?No,because he is a smart player and he knows what he can/can't do.Cousins is a kid who puts his own preferences before the teams success.I dont care how he talks to media,his actions proved otherwise

You act like a coaching staff doesn't exist which implements offensive scheme for the players

[SacSanity]

Kings fans are so patient on these forums. How about keep Cousins and make the post season? This is the year. Good luck!

Without Cousins we lose because we need to play with Koufos for 48 mins which he cannot manage.With Cousins our offence slows down so much because he just stands behind the 3 pt line,tries to do stepback jumpers,Harden-like drives,shooting 3s etc against a team who plays with D-Mo and Ariza as a center.He turns the ball over so much for a center and he is the cause of a lot of turnovers from other players.His defensive effort is nowhere near the last year.When his outside shot is not good he demoralize his own team and blame the refs.2014-2015 Cousins would make this team a contender but this Cousins has a mindset of a kid and slow downs the team.The only problem is that when he is out we need Koufos to perform for 48 minutes which is not happening.In a lot of matches we did better with Koufos than DMC when Koufos played under 20-25 min.DMC is ineffective and slows the team.

Talentwise, DMC is the best big man in the game.But his mindset wont change he proved it countless times.I would be more than happy if you trade Whiteside+people like Winslow etc for DMC.Watch our last 5-6 match, you will understand what I mean.This guy is(was) the best player in the paint area in 2014-2015 by a big margin.Now he stands behind the 3 pt line even when we play with 4 small and the other teams center is D-Mo.Why would a player stop doing what he do best and tries to what he do worst?

Let me give an example.Did you ever see Casspi post up and try to shoot a fade away like Rudy?No,because he is a smart player and he knows what he can/can't do.Cousins is a kid who puts his own preferences before the teams success.I dont care how he talks to media,his actions proved otherwise

Give it time to mesh. You have to understand a lot of Dcuz's under-performance is coming from the way our offense is ran (See Coach Karl). I understand you do not like Cousins because he "slows" down the offense but if you recall correctly, under Malone, we ran a nice in and out game with Cousins posting the majority of the time. If we had average or above 3-pt shooters last year, we would have won many more games. You even said it yourself, he was a beast last year. Now you are unhappy because he is slowing down the offense and hanging around the 3-pt line. Don't get mad at Dcuz for the coaches system.

On a side note, what would you think is a fair incoming deal for Cousins?

[Prethia]

@SacTown916
I totally agree with you mate.From the moment I registered to this forum I defended that Cousins should always play in the post or we should trade him or we should get a PF who could score from outside.2014-2015 Cousins would be in a race for MVP if he played with Rondo.But Cousins isnt playing behind the 3 pt line because the coach said so.He plays behind the 3 pt line because he wants to.He wants to play like James Harden etc.I understand that you and Kings2013 think that DMC plays from the outside only because Karl wants him to.But even in his first days in the league he had a tendency to shoot mid-range to long range jumpers.I am pretty sure If Cousins wanted to play from inside he would play from inside.He has more authority over the team than Karl.And a fight between Cousins-Karl results in Karl getting fired.I think it is pretty obvious from the reactions in summer.Do not get me wrong.I dont defend Karl and I think Kings make worse defence than EL teams like Fenerbahce Ulker.

I wrote plenty of trade options to this thread before but since Heat wants to get Cousins.I think a trade centered on Whiteside-Winslow/Cousins is good.I dont know if cap is ok or heat will accept this but Whiteside-Bosh-Winslow/Cousins-Gay seems like a good trade.Whiteside bring much more defence than 2015-2016 DMC and with Rondo even the worst center can average 10-15 points with just staying inside and dunking.Winslow is a great potential and he is just a rookie so he will be good for cap.I dont think I need to talk about Bosh.Now our team looks like the following.
Rondo-Collison (really good pg rotation.)
Mclemore-Belinelli-Curry (I do not like this much but we can live with that.The problem is their defence(Belinelli and Mclemore)Mclemore is still young but he needs to change his defensive mentality.
Casspi-Winslow-(Mclemore or Belinelli) - I am more than Ok with this.
Bosh-Casspi-(WCS) -Wcs is injured and I dont like team playing with WCS and one more center so probably we need a back up PF.
Whiteside-Koufos-(WCS) - I am more than ok with this.I dont like Koufos much because he cant grab the ball but he is good for a back up Center.
Now what this team needs to be better is adding a back up PF and improving its defence.Addition of Whiteside can accomplish some part of it but we still need to learn how to defend as a team.Bosh and Whiteside would enjoy playing with a Pg like Rondo after playing with Dragic and they can be more efficient in our team.

[Bball0000]

Cousins is the best asset this team has. He's an all star and still young. His skillset is rare in the NBA. Any trade that brings back a less quality player or collection of players, is just going backwards and uphill. Role players are easier finds than all stars like Cousins. This team is decent. Rondo/Cousins solidify a decent foundation, you just gotta build around them.

[Bball0000]

A bit off topic but I see Ryan Anderson might be available! I say keep Cousins and go after him. I was hoping he'd be the FA target for the Kings this summer, maybe they can bypass that and jump on it? I just don't know what the Kings could trade. Wonder if they could have any use for Koufos?

That'd be a nice stretch 4 for spacing, but RA / Cousins on defense? Red carpet to free points in the paint.

[SacKingZZZ]

A bit off topic but I see Ryan Anderson might be available! I say keep Cousins and go after him. I was hoping he'd be the FA target for the Kings this summer, maybe they can bypass that and jump on it? I just don't know what the Kings could trade. Wonder if they could have any use for Koufos?

That'd be a nice stretch 4 for spacing, but RA / Cousins on defense? Red carpet to free points in the paint.

Really? Cousins is actually one of the more impactful big men in the paint defensively. Anderson is a pretty good pick and roll defender too.

[Jkam31]

Anybody suggesting we trade Cousins isn't a kings fans


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[Bball0000]

A bit off topic but I see Ryan Anderson might be available! I say keep Cousins and go after him. I was hoping he'd be the FA target for the Kings this summer, maybe they can bypass that and jump on it? I just don't know what the Kings could trade. Wonder if they could have any use for Koufos?

That'd be a nice stretch 4 for spacing, but RA / Cousins on defense? Red carpet to free points in the paint.

Really? Cousins is actually one of the more impactful big men in the paint defensively. Anderson is a pretty good pick and roll defender too.

Don't think anyone would call RA a good defender. Cousins, meh.

[SacKingZZZ]

That'd be a nice stretch 4 for spacing, but RA / Cousins on defense? Red carpet to free points in the paint.

Really? Cousins is actually one of the more impactful big men in the paint defensively. Anderson is a pretty good pick and roll defender too.

Don't think anyone would call RA a good defender. Cousins, meh.

He hedges out and switches pretty well for a big man. And Cousins, is more than meh. Way more.

[Bball0000]

Really? Cousins is actually one of the more impactful big men in the paint defensively. Anderson is a pretty good pick and roll defender too.

Don't think anyone would call RA a good defender. Cousins, meh.

He hedges out and switches pretty well for a big man. And Cousins, is more than meh. Way more.

So he's a rim protector? Why'd Kings draft a rim protector if Cousins is one.

[jeffjtk1234]

Trading cousins is a bad idea. He's far from the problem. It's clear Karl is the problem here.

[blind prophet]

Don't think anyone would call RA a good defender. Cousins, meh.

He hedges out and switches pretty well for a big man. And Cousins, is more than meh. Way more.

So he's a rim protector? Why'd Kings draft a rim protector if Cousins is one.

Cousins is a paint defender, a big body, takes charges. He doesn't change shots like a shot blocker can, he creates other problems though.

Why are you saying RA? His name is James Anderson, unless I misunderstood the earlier post.

[SactoKingsFan]

He hedges out and switches pretty well for a big man. And Cousins, is more than meh. Way more.

So he's a rim protector? Why'd Kings draft a rim protector if Cousins is one.

Why are you saying RA? His name is James Anderson, unless I misunderstood the earlier post.

Pretty sure the RA he's talking about is Ryan Anderson.

[SacKingZZZ]

Don't think anyone would call RA a good defender. Cousins, meh.

He hedges out and switches pretty well for a big man. And Cousins, is more than meh. Way more.

So he's a rim protector? Why'd Kings draft a rim protector if Cousins is one.

See, you have things a little reversed. Cauley-Stein isn't really much of a rim protector in the classic sense. He's more of a weak side blocker and his ability to switch on pick and roll was supposed to fit the defensive ideology well. Cousins is an excellent post up defender and paint plugger.

[Kings2013]

Some interesting comments from Cousins after the game http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article50855125.html

"I'm lost right now," Cousins said. "It's uncomfortable most nights, but I'm still trying to find a way to fight through it and still impact the game. My game has changed a lot this season; my role has changed a lot, so I'm just trying to find my way."

and

Subtract the three-pointers, and Cousins was shooting 45.2 (129 of 285), just below his career average of 46 percent.

"I can't really worry about it right now," Cousins said. "If I worried about it, then I'd be considered uncoachable. So I'm trying to be a coachable player, do what's best for the team, what the coaches think is best for the team, so I'm just playing my part. I'll take the heat."

[PaKwAn]

yikes... this is all on karl then..im actually impressed that cuz is trying to follow what karl wants even though everyone knows its not whats best for the team.. if i was to choose between karl and cuz,its definitely a no brainer for me..karl doesn't have 5yrs in him,be it from getting fired or due to age/health..

[Kings2013]

Not trying to stir the pot, as I feel the issue has been beaten to death, but personally, I think Karl's 'untradeable' comment may have been to elicit interest because he thought Cousins may not have been an ideal fit for his system. But we'll see how it plays out