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Post#41 » by blind prophet » Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:13 pm

FrodoBaggins wrote:Are NBA players babies? Soft as charmin. I'll shut you down with one simple image;

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This reality where somehow George Karl isn't a good coach, doesn't exist. He's stubborn, and perhaps we should have done things his way from the start. He was ahead of the eight ball with trading Cousins, because mark my words, we'll have to face this reality eventually. He's the perpetual anchor to this franchise. We won't begin a renaissance until that weight is shed.

And on that day, I'm going to enjoy telling you "I told you so"

And even if I'm wrong, I still win. Because this is about the Kings. Not Demarcus Cousins.


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Karl never coached Pierce in the NBA, but he was the coach of the incredibly disappointing Team USA squad that finished sixth in the World Basketball Championships held in Indianapolis. Pierce and Karl reportedly clashed, with Pierce explaining in the aftermath that coaching was at least partly responsible for the poor result, saying of Karl: “I don’t think he’s a players’ coach, straight up. It wasn’t only me, but a number of the players didn’t respond to what he was saying or understand what he was trying to do. But me, I just play my part. I’m never going to question what he needs to do in practices, what he needs to do in games.”

Pierce would also note what he took away from his Team USA experience, saying, “I learned not to go play USA basketball if George Karl is the coach.” Karl benched Pierce during the final quarter of the team’s fifth-place game against Spain and later admitted that he and Pierce had issues during the tournament.

http://www.thesportster.com/basketball/top-15-people-who-dont-like-paul-pierce/?view=all

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Karl Starts a Fire, Keeps it Burning

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George Karl never has accepted the conventional wisdom. After all, here's a guy who looks like George Costanza but played in the NBA with George Gervin.

Karl never believes he or his teams cannot succeed. In 1987 he was coaching the Golden State Warriors in the playoffs against the eventual champion Los Angeles Lakers when they fell behind three games to none. Karl was furious in the locker room, screaming, when center Joe Barry Carroll said he didn't understand why Karl was so upset, because the Lakers were better. Karl went berserk and tore Carroll's locker from its hinges.

With Carroll's attitude, a slow, not exceptionally athletic kid never would have played at North Carolina or in the NBA, as Karl did. But Karl began to see that attitude developing in his Milwaukee Bucks, whom he took over for the 1998-99 season and led to the playoffs for the first time in seven years. That seemed enough for some of the players, but not Karl.

Accept losing? Never. Not in any game, not at any time.

So Karl decided to take a risk, the kind that usually fails in the NBA these days. He was going to take on his players, even the stars, and do it publicly. It was time for this talented, underachieving team to respond. Or to break. Or for Karl to break.

When he and his coaching staff went to their annual preseason retreat in northern Wisconsin, a dangerous strategy was agreed upon.

"We talked about how this would probably be the year it could get ugly psychologically," Karl said recently. "As a coach, you know when you've got to rock the boat."

Karl decided to tip his boat over. His players had grown too relaxed, as if the NBA were some sort of pleasure cruise. That's not basketball to Karl, who acknowledges being the only player Pete Maravich ever fought. Karl will play you and coach you, but he'll also fight you.

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Maybe not using jedi mind tricks and getting rid of talent to cater to your schemes rather than coaching it the proper way may have been a better choice?

And since you like records so much. How's 33 wins sound?
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Re: Karl Officially Out, Who's the best fit to replace him? 

Post#42 » by codydaze » Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:08 pm

FrodoBaggins wrote:Are NBA players babies? Soft as charmin. I'll shut you down with one simple image;

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This reality where somehow George Karl isn't a good coach, doesn't exist. He's stubborn, and perhaps we should have done things his way from the start. He was ahead of the eight ball with trading Cousins, because mark my words, we'll have to face this reality eventually. He's the perpetual anchor to this franchise. We won't begin a renaissance until that weight is shed.

And on that day, I'm going to enjoy telling you "I told you so"

And even if I'm wrong, I still win. Because this is about the Kings. Not Demarcus Cousins.


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Post#43 » by City of Trees » Sat Apr 16, 2016 12:00 am

Dueces George. Time to hang up the clipboard or become an assistant coach. Father time is undefeated.

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Post#44 » by teerfour+40LG » Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:43 am

I really really don't like when people try to hype a coach by saying he can teach a big man big-man skills. If there is something that Cuz needs to know, he'll go ask. He's not a scrub sitting there not trying to improve. I don't wanna hear McHale, and I especially don't want to hear Ewing.

But, I feel like Wolfay that there is no right coach out there. There is no making up for canning Michael Malone (except for getting him back). Malone was our Pop, our Sloan. He was going to be here for 20 years. It was a perfect storm, how that all came together, and I feel like we can't recreate it for Cousins.

Whoever we hire next, he's not going to be coach of the future. He's going to be at best just a guy... and that's heartbreaking.
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Re: Karl Officially Out, Who's the best fit to replace him? 

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City of Trees wrote:Dueces George. Time to hang up the clipboard or become an assistant coach. Father time is undefeated.

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Or find a team that allows him to have a major say in the personnel they bring in. He's the reverse of McHale in that sense. McHale says he plays the way his players should, not the way he wants them to play, whereas Karl even said in Denver he'd rather go down with his system than change it. We saw that all year this year and the amount of fail that followed was epic. This was the year of no adjustment.

I still say with the right personnel I'm sure his system still works.
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teerfour+40LG wrote:I really really don't like when people try to hype a coach by saying he can teach a big man big-man skills. If there is something that Cuz needs to know, he'll go ask. He's not a scrub sitting there not trying to improve. I don't wanna hear McHale, and I especially don't want to hear Ewing.

But, I feel like Wolfay that there is no right coach out there. There is no making up for canning Michael Malone (except for getting him back). Malone was our Pop, our Sloan. He was going to be here for 20 years. It was a perfect storm, how that all came together, and I feel like we can't recreate it for Cousins.

Whoever we hire next, he's not going to be coach of the future. He's going to be at best just a guy... and that's heartbreaking.



I don't know if you noticed, but Omri this year showed a couple of sweet post moves, and they were right about of the McHale playbook. Looks like he picked up a thing or two in Houston to me. There are certainly some things McHale could teach Cousins because a large amount of McHales abilities were skill oriented. Ewing, I'm not sure, I think that was just plain talent and you can't teach talent.

Malone was this teams Pop? Sorry, but no. He was good, and should never have been fired but his offense was going to catch up with the team in time. No doubt. Malone was the first coach that finally realized slowing it down, and playing bully ball was probably the easiest route.

The right guy is the guy that doesn't have an agenda and intends to use players to their strengths. McHale is that guy. Period.
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Post#47 » by teerfour+40LG » Sat Apr 16, 2016 4:49 am

You read one quote and are on McHale's jock.

I give you 500 pages from clutchfans.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=218754
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teerfour+40LG wrote:You read one quote and are on McHale's jock.

I give you 500 pages from clutchfans.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=218754


A bad coach doesn't lead a team from down 1-3 I don't care what there fans say


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Re: Karl Officially Out, Who's the best fit to replace him? 

Post#49 » by FrodoBaggins » Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:00 am

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City of Trees wrote:Dueces George. Time to hang up the clipboard or become an assistant coach. Father time is undefeated.

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Or find a team that allows him to have a major say in the personnel they bring in. He's the reverse of McHale in that sense. McHale says he plays the way his players should, not the way he wants them to play, whereas Karl even said in Denver he'd rather go down with his system than change it. We saw that all year this year and the amount of fail that followed was epic. This was the year of no adjustment.

I still say with the right personnel I'm sure his system still works.

Yep. Instead we let a career cancer with an ego even bigger than Karl's and a dumbass crazy owner dictate this team over a decorated hall of fame coach who has just about done it all short on winning a championship (Note: only 31 out of 350 odd coaches in nba history have ever won a chip)

I dream how this team and it's outlook would be like, had we let Karl run things his way, trading Cousins for plethora of young talent. Even despite the mess, Karl had this team in the playoff seeds, a top 10 offense, and a 20-16 record after a 1-7 start (21-23) including multiple injuries to Cousins, Rondo, WCS, Casspi... Man that George Karl perimeter oriented system could have been something...
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Post#50 » by Kings2013 » Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:21 am

FrodoBaggins wrote:
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City of Trees wrote:Dueces George. Time to hang up the clipboard or become an assistant coach. Father time is undefeated.

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Or find a team that allows him to have a major say in the personnel they bring in. He's the reverse of McHale in that sense. McHale says he plays the way his players should, not the way he wants them to play, whereas Karl even said in Denver he'd rather go down with his system than change it. We saw that all year this year and the amount of fail that followed was epic. This was the year of no adjustment.

I still say with the right personnel I'm sure his system still works.

Yep. Instead we let a career cancer with an ego even bigger than Karl's and a dumbass crazy owner dictate this team over a decorated hall of fame coach who has just about done it all short on winning a championship (Note: only 31 out of 350 odd coaches in nba history have ever won a chip)

I dream how this team and it's outlook would be like, had we let Karl run things his way, trading Cousins for plethora of young talent. Even despite the mess, Karl had this team in the playoff seeds, a top 10 offense, and a 20-16 record after a 1-7 start (21-23) including multiple injuries to Cousins, Rondo, WCS, Casspi... Man that George Karl perimeter oriented system could have been something...


An old coach that can't speak or stand without energy who needs his assistant leading during the game, or a 26 year old who can be the best big in the game?

Vlade agrees with those who think like me IMO, which is why he has stated DMC is untouchable both last summer and last deadline
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Post#51 » by FrodoBaggins » Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:32 am

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Or find a team that allows him to have a major say in the personnel they bring in. He's the reverse of McHale in that sense. McHale says he plays the way his players should, not the way he wants them to play, whereas Karl even said in Denver he'd rather go down with his system than change it. We saw that all year this year and the amount of fail that followed was epic. This was the year of no adjustment.

I still say with the right personnel I'm sure his system still works.

Yep. Instead we let a career cancer with an ego even bigger than Karl's and a dumbass crazy owner dictate this team over a decorated hall of fame coach who has just about done it all short on winning a championship (Note: only 31 out of 350 odd coaches in nba history have ever won a chip)

I dream how this team and it's outlook would be like, had we let Karl run things his way, trading Cousins for plethora of young talent. Even despite the mess, Karl had this team in the playoff seeds, a top 10 offense, and a 20-16 record after a 1-7 start (21-23) including multiple injuries to Cousins, Rondo, WCS, Casspi... Man that George Karl perimeter oriented system could have been something...


An old coach that can't speak or stand without energy who needs his assistant leading during the game, or a 26 year old who can be the best big in the game?

Vlade agrees with those who think like me IMO, which is why he has stated DMC is untouchable both last summer and last deadline

I care about the KINGS winning. I don't care about Demarcus being "The best big in the game" I know of the stats. But it don't mean **** without winning. There's a phrase that gets thrown around a lot, sometimes it's valid, sometimes it's not. In this case, it is. Empty stats. Nobody denies his talent. The questions have always been about his resolve. The respect he has for authority and this franchise (Zero). We hyped him to the moon as a superstar even though he results suggest anything but. He acts like a Lebron or Kobe... But he isn't a Lebron or Kobe. He's more like a... Al Jefferson, or Derrick Coleman. Or Zach Randolph.
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Post#52 » by Kings2013 » Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:57 am

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FrodoBaggins wrote:Yep. Instead we let a career cancer with an ego even bigger than Karl's and a dumbass crazy owner dictate this team over a decorated hall of fame coach who has just about done it all short on winning a championship (Note: only 31 out of 350 odd coaches in nba history have ever won a chip)

I dream how this team and it's outlook would be like, had we let Karl run things his way, trading Cousins for plethora of young talent. Even despite the mess, Karl had this team in the playoff seeds, a top 10 offense, and a 20-16 record after a 1-7 start (21-23) including multiple injuries to Cousins, Rondo, WCS, Casspi... Man that George Karl perimeter oriented system could have been something...


An old coach that can't speak or stand without energy who needs his assistant leading during the game, or a 26 year old who can be the best big in the game?

Vlade agrees with those who think like me IMO, which is why he has stated DMC is untouchable both last summer and last deadline

I care about the KINGS winning. I don't care about Demarcus being "The best big in the game" I know of the stats. But it don't mean **** without winning. There's a phrase that gets thrown around a lot, sometimes it's valid, sometimes it's not. In this case, it is. Empty stats. Nobody denies his talent. The questions have always been about his resolve. The respect he has for authority and this franchise (Zero). We hyped him to the moon as a superstar even though he results suggest anything but. He acts like a Lebron or Kobe... But he isn't a Lebron or Kobe. He's more like a... Al Jefferson, or Derrick Coleman. Or Zach Randolph.


The front office does too, which is why he's going nowhere without a deal that will make the team better. And he is undervalued so I don't see that in the cards.

I care about winning which is why I don't want the best player the franchise has had in many years ran out of town before seeing if he can be built around properly

If the Kings were 8-37 over the last few years without him last I checked it means there are problems elsewhere
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Post#53 » by jeffjtk1234 » Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:14 am

teerfour+40LG wrote:I really really don't like when people try to hype a coach by saying he can teach a big man big-man skills. If there is something that Cuz needs to know, he'll go ask. He's not a scrub sitting there not trying to improve. I don't wanna hear McHale, and I especially don't want to hear Ewing.

But, I feel like Wolfay that there is no right coach out there. There is no making up for canning Michael Malone (except for getting him back). Malone was our Pop, our Sloan. He was going to be here for 20 years. It was a perfect storm, how that all came together, and I feel like we can't recreate it for Cousins.

Whoever we hire next, he's not going to be coach of the future. He's going to be at best just a guy... and that's heartbreaking.


You are hugely overrating Malone here. He was a good coach but let's pump the breaks. He had his issues.

McHale could be a good option. So could a bunch of others. I don't want Del Negro or Mark Jackson though.

I'd be interested in Thibs, Brooks, McHale and either an up and coming assistant like Griffin or Ewing or possibly college coach.


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Post#54 » by KF10 » Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:39 am

FrodoBaggins wrote:I care about the KINGS winning. I don't care about Demarcus being "The best big in the game" I know of the stats. But it don't mean **** without winning. There's a phrase that gets thrown around a lot, sometimes it's valid, sometimes it's not. In this case, it is. Empty stats. Nobody denies his talent. The questions have always been about his resolve. The respect he has for authority and this franchise (Zero). We hyped him to the moon as a superstar even though he results suggest anything but. He acts like a Lebron or Kobe... But he isn't a Lebron or Kobe. He's more like a... Al Jefferson, or Derrick Coleman. Or Zach Randolph.


There is a reason why the Kings' best stretch of the season is when Cousins went absolutely bonkers in January. He was putting up herculean-like numbers to keep the team afloat.
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Post#55 » by City of Trees » Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:34 pm

Frodo, Karl is no longer a HOF caliber coach. He's average at best now. Past awards/accomplishments now serve as great conversation starters for George. Moving forward, I think GK holds tremendous value as an assistant coach. Cancer and father time have ripped him from ever returning to playoff caliber coaching.

If I'm Vlade I really consider trading Cousins for Ingram+ something extra and then move Gay. Let Rondo walk. Go young with hard working players who hustle, get along, and play the way Kings fans love to watch the game played.

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Post#56 » by SacKingZZZ » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:09 pm

teerfour+40LG wrote:You read one quote and are on McHale's jock.

I give you 500 pages from clutchfans.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=218754



Yeah, no. I think he's the most qualified and best coach for the team the Kings have, and the team that Vlade has been building. I bet you can still dig up some people who think the Kings did a bad, bad thing letting Karl go too.
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Post#57 » by SacKingZZZ » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:11 pm

Jkam31 wrote:
teerfour+40LG wrote:You read one quote and are on McHale's jock.

I give you 500 pages from clutchfans.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=218754


A bad coach doesn't lead a team from down 1-3 I don't care what there fans say


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Not to mention that was a coach with a team built nowhere near to his dream specs. He's not perfect, no coach is really, but way more lines cross paths with him and this team than anyone else available IMO.
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Post#58 » by SacKingZZZ » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:15 pm

FrodoBaggins wrote:
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City of Trees wrote:Dueces George. Time to hang up the clipboard or become an assistant coach. Father time is undefeated.

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Or find a team that allows him to have a major say in the personnel they bring in. He's the reverse of McHale in that sense. McHale says he plays the way his players should, not the way he wants them to play, whereas Karl even said in Denver he'd rather go down with his system than change it. We saw that all year this year and the amount of fail that followed was epic. This was the year of no adjustment.

I still say with the right personnel I'm sure his system still works.

Yep. Instead we let a career cancer with an ego even bigger than Karl's and a dumbass crazy owner dictate this team over a decorated hall of fame coach who has just about done it all short on winning a championship (Note: only 31 out of 350 odd coaches in nba history have ever won a chip)

I dream how this team and it's outlook would be like, had we let Karl run things his way, trading Cousins for plethora of young talent. Even despite the mess, Karl had this team in the playoff seeds, a top 10 offense, and a 20-16 record after a 1-7 start (21-23) including multiple injuries to Cousins, Rondo, WCS, Casspi... Man that George Karl perimeter oriented system could have been something...



Yeah, Cousins was to blame. Totally. Especially considering the evidence of how the team sparkled with him not in the game. This team had a brief string of wins that got them into the picture in a very, very weak Western conference way too early in the game. You know what they say about a broke clock right? You can't really pick apart moments in a year like this, but rather you have to look at the whole picture.
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Post#59 » by SacKingZZZ » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:15 pm

FrodoBaggins wrote:
Kings2013 wrote:
FrodoBaggins wrote:Yep. Instead we let a career cancer with an ego even bigger than Karl's and a dumbass crazy owner dictate this team over a decorated hall of fame coach who has just about done it all short on winning a championship (Note: only 31 out of 350 odd coaches in nba history have ever won a chip)

I dream how this team and it's outlook would be like, had we let Karl run things his way, trading Cousins for plethora of young talent. Even despite the mess, Karl had this team in the playoff seeds, a top 10 offense, and a 20-16 record after a 1-7 start (21-23) including multiple injuries to Cousins, Rondo, WCS, Casspi... Man that George Karl perimeter oriented system could have been something...


An old coach that can't speak or stand without energy who needs his assistant leading during the game, or a 26 year old who can be the best big in the game?

Vlade agrees with those who think like me IMO, which is why he has stated DMC is untouchable both last summer and last deadline

I care about the KINGS winning. I don't care about Demarcus being "The best big in the game" I know of the stats. But it don't mean **** without winning. There's a phrase that gets thrown around a lot, sometimes it's valid, sometimes it's not. In this case, it is. Empty stats. Nobody denies his talent. The questions have always been about his resolve. The respect he has for authority and this franchise (Zero). We hyped him to the moon as a superstar even though he results suggest anything but. He acts like a Lebron or Kobe... But he isn't a Lebron or Kobe. He's more like a... Al Jefferson, or Derrick Coleman. Or Zach Randolph.



Get the right coach and Cuz and the Kings winning might just go hand in hand.
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