Post draft, do you want the Kings to go after a PG in Free Agency?

[SacKingZZZ]

I was looking at some stuff. With the way the team is building I wouldn't mind the Kings going after someone like Faried. The Kings have an uptempo team in the making with a dynamic PG looking to get the ball up in transition. That's Faried's game right there. Having Willie and Faried as your rim runners could be a good look. Plus Faried would help on the boards.

[VeganKingsFan]

I really hate the idea of taking away minutes from the 12 players we already need to give minutes to. That's like 20 minutes per player- some more, some less. I don't get people's fascination with aging players who don't fit our timeline and will win us a couple more games so we get a worse draft pick. None of the players people are mentioning are going to "mentor" our young players. Only a few players in the league are willing to do that (like Garrett Temple and maybe Kosta Koufos just because Papa G is also Greek). Those types of players are ones we can get as assistant coaches. Even then, coaches are better at teaching players because that is their profession and they have spent years working on their craft and learning from the best. A lot of the talk players give about the importance of veterans in their development is just a way to give compliments to their teammates. Are they really going to say, "No, the vets didn't help me develop at all." Players aren't going to succeed based on having more older players on the team. Maybe they'd be more likely to fail if there were a lot of bad influences, but that isn't a problem with this team. If players have questions or need help, they should be in an environment where they feel they can talk to a coach.

[City of Trees]

I was looking at some stuff. With the way the team is building I wouldn't mind the Kings going after someone like Faried. The Kings have an uptempo team in the making with a dynamic PG looking to get the ball up in transition. That's Faried's game right there. Having Willie and Faried as your rim runners could be a good look. Plus Faried would help on the boards.

If the Kings can't get Jamychal Green then id be ok with Faried. Green has rim running potential. You seen it at time in Memphis but he wasn't able to display it all that often with their slower pace

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[jeffjtk1234]

We need to hit the salary floor. And you can't just run out a team of all rookies. You need to be competitive and build a winning culture while still losing games. Fox isn't ready to start, neither is Mason. We need a vet pg and vet sf on 2 + 1 year team option deals where we overpay the hell out of them year 1 and 2. Hit salary floor get mentors and roll with the rookies as starters year 2-3.


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[City of Trees]

The Kings don't NEED to hit the salary floor. If the players they target want 4 year deals I'd pass.

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[nolimit0820]

Personally, I disagree with Amick about going for Rudy as a potential target--as most kings fans agree. However, I do agree that the Kings will struggle to score in the half court, but that doesn't mean we need to bring in a "scorer" per say. As mentioned above, a young team working through those things is only feeding the development of their team identity and urging our young scorers (Skal, Buddy, Fox, Jjax, etc) to take on the role.

Also, I think the idea of getting veteran players that don't fit our timeline is the same internal debate that's bound to be happening within the organization. It's a conflict of philosphies. It's a tough place to be and I think Sam A. hit that point so well. The draft is a PR high and the reality is what move the kings make next is going to change the game. There are valid points at this fork in the road. Left is keep the young guys and let them grow. Right is add a few veterans to help the young guys along while still building a winning culture.

Personally, losing with young guys is not productive to their development. I'm fine with bringing in 1-2 vets who will steal minutes away. Why? There's much value in rookies having to fight and earn their spot while also experiencing success. I'd rather that than watching our young guys fail in hopes that they "grow," but then never actually find their stride.

[benchmobbin02]

The Kings don't NEED to hit the salary floor. If the players they target want 4 year deals I'd pass.

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That's why you target certain players that won't need a long term commitment as long as they are getting nice $ in the first 2 years.

[mos_def]

We need to hit the salary floor. And you can't just run out a team of all rookies. You need to be competitive and build a winning culture while still losing games. Fox isn't ready to start, neither is Mason. We need a vet pg and vet sf on 2 + 1 year team option deals where we overpay the hell out of them year 1 and 2. Hit salary floor get mentors and roll with the rookies as starters year 2-3.

If Fox isn't ready to start, why draft him 5- especially since he is a Guard.

[sacking123]

We need to hit the salary floor. And you can't just run out a team of all rookies. You need to be competitive and build a winning culture while still losing games. Fox isn't ready to start, neither is Mason. We need a vet pg and vet sf on 2 + 1 year team option deals where we overpay the hell out of them year 1 and 2. Hit salary floor get mentors and roll with the rookies as starters year 2-3.


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What makes you believe Fox isn't ready to start?
I think he will flourish. Yes he is going to have his rookie moments, doesn't mean he isn't ready.
And that's a wild assumption that the team won't be competitive.
Also there isn't such a thing as building a winning culture while losing. It just isn't, maybe your talking about something else, but that is impossible.
I think Vlade will go out and sign a couple more vets, who knows it could be Joerger telling him he can't develop them properly without the young guys earning it (no different to last season).
I do agree with the contract situation and I'm not concerned by overpaying anyone really, as long as Vlade has a plan and he is sticking to it.


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[PetrieUnderstudy]

I agree with Vlade and his team if they plan on targeting some upper tier free agents like Millsap and Hill. I hear everyone's concerns about taking time away from the young guys and "tanking" at least this year to secure a top 2018 pick but I'm sick and tired of losing. I also believe that our young guys will develop better on say a 44 win team versus a 28 win team. Experiencing winning and knowing how to win in the NBA is invaluable. Vlade was 30 when he came to the Kings. He was 32 first time Kings won 50 plus games and 35 when we lost to TWolves in semis in 2004. Doug Christie was 30 when he arrived and 33 on that semis team. Where would those glory years teams have been without those two? I think we tend to forget that. So let's stop with this "they don't fit into timeline". Yes, Millsap and Hill are 32 and 31 but they're both coming off their highest point per game seasons of their careers. A big thing to consider is like Vlade, neither one of them rely on athleticism so it is easier to see them continue to play well as they age. That's why I think Joe Ingles (for the 100th time) is a good fit. He doesn't rely on athleticism. All three guys can pass, shoot, and defend. They're also all good basketball players. We need more of those. I feel all three would eventually accept bench roles with Hill and Ingles sliding to the bench sooner.

For all three guys it is likely their last chance for a big payday. The Kings can be creative with their contract offers and I think they should. Remember the poison pill contract concept? The Kings have more cap space than any team right now. Offer these 3 guys a lot the first year and have it decline so when it is time to pay the younger guys their contracts don't look so bad. It would probably take a minimum 3 year contract with 4th year team option to get Millsap and 2 year contract with 3rd year team option for Hill and Ingles.

On Faried, no thanks. While I like his energy and that he's a rim runner today's NBA is a league of shooting and he can't shoot. I know only Millsap was mentioned as PF but I'd take Serge Ibaka or JaMychal Green before Faried.

On Holliday, while he is younger than Hill I don't think he'd be as receptive to relinquish the starting PG spot to our hopeful franchise PG Fox. Holliday also isn't an experienced winner and for a younger guy hasn't been very durable. Other than Hill I'd consider Collison or Lawson because they know the system.

On Gay, been there done that. We can try to throw a max at Otto Porter but we should be looking at Ingles, Jonathon Simmons or Troy Williams as cheap option.

The below roster will play basketball the right way. They WILL make the playoffs and I'd be super excited because again I'm tired of losing.

PG George Hill/De'Aaron Fox/Frank Mason
SG Buddy Hield/Bogdan Bogdanovic/Malachi Richardson
SF Joe Ingles/Garrett Temple/Justin Jackson
PF Paul Millsap/Skal Labissiere/Harry Giles
C Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Georgios Papagiannis

If the young guys become what we're hoping then we can be a top team within 3 years. Not making moves to continue to lose is a losers mentality. There is this talk about new culture in SacTown. Good citizens and teammates are great to cheer for but sports is about WINNING! Let's do both!

[StepBackCrack]

I say let the rookies play. Winning isn't important now.

[jazanetti]

I agree with Vlade and his team if they plan on targeting some upper tier free agents like Millsap and Hill. I hear everyone's concerns about taking time away from the young guys and "tanking" at least this year to secure a top 2018 pick but I'm sick and tired of losing. I also believe that our young guys will develop better on say a 44 win team versus a 28 win team. Experiencing winning and knowing how to win in the NBA is invaluable. Vlade was 30 when he came to the Kings. He was 32 first time Kings won 50 plus games and 35 when we lost to TWolves in semis in 2004. Doug Christie was 30 when he arrived and 33 on that semis team. Where would those glory years teams have been without those two? I think we tend to forget that. So let's stop with this "they don't fit into timeline". Yes, Millsap and Hill are 32 and 31 but they're both coming off their highest point per game seasons of their careers. A big thing to consider is like Vlade, neither one of them rely on athleticism so it is easier to see them continue to play well as they age. That's why I think Joe Ingles (for the 100th time) is a good fit. He doesn't rely on athleticism. All three guys can pass, shoot, and defend. They're also all good basketball players. We need more of those. I feel all three would eventually accept bench roles with Hill and Ingles sliding to the bench sooner.

For all three guys it is likely their last chance for a big payday. The Kings can be creative with their contract offers and I think they should. Remember the poison pill contract concept? The Kings have more cap space than any team right now. Offer these 3 guys a lot the first year and have it decline so when it is time to pay the younger guys their contracts don't look so bad. It would probably take a minimum 3 year contract with 4th year team option to get Millsap and 2 year contract with 3rd year team option for Hill and Ingles.

On Faried, no thanks. While I like his energy and that he's a rim runner today's NBA is a league of shooting and he can't shoot. I know only Millsap was mentioned as PF but I'd take Serge Ibaka or JaMychal Green before Faried.

On Holliday, while he is younger than Hill I don't think he'd be as receptive to relinquish the starting PG spot to our hopeful franchise PG Fox. Holliday also isn't an experienced winner and for a younger guy hasn't been very durable. Other than Hill I'd consider Collison or Lawson because they know the system.

On Gay, been there done that. We can try to throw a max at Otto Porter but we should be looking at Ingles, Jonathon Simmons or Troy Williams as cheap option.

The below roster will play basketball the right way. They WILL make the playoffs and I'd be super excited because again I'm tired of losing.

PG George Hill/De'Aaron Fox/Frank Mason
SG Buddy Hield/Bogdan Bogdanovic/Malachi Richardson
SF Joe Ingles/Garrett Temple/Justin Jackson
PF Paul Millsap/Skal Labissiere/Harry Giles
C Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Georgios Papagiannis

If the young guys become what we're hoping then we can be a top team within 3 years. Not making moves to continue to lose is a losers mentality. There is this talk about new culture in SacTown. Good citizens and teammates are great to cheer for but sports is about WINNING! Let's do both!

The global goal is not to win 44 games, reach playoffs and be swiped by Warriors. The global goal is to build dynasty. It will take several years step-by-step development but adding players like 32 Millsap on 100+ million 4-year deal right now will not get us closer to our goal.
We need to rely on our young guys, give them as much minutes as possible, test them first, and only then add top possible FAs if we will see that some of our youngs are ready to be our future core and ready to jump into PO battles.
Just look at Lakers with Mozgov (they used 2-nd overall drafted guy to kick out his contract) and Deng.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

I say let the rookies play. Winning isn't important now.

I'm sure that's what Vlade, the coaches, and players think. Screw it. Winning isn't important now. For anyone that has ever played competitive sports, which I have, it's about winning. As a fan of the team and season ticket it's important to me as well. The rookies should play, IF they deserve to play.

Are you a Kings fan? Your Warrior user name and conflicting Fox Kings image confuse me.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

I agree with Vlade and his team if they plan on targeting some upper tier free agents like Millsap and Hill. I hear everyone's concerns about taking time away from the young guys and "tanking" at least this year to secure a top 2018 pick but I'm sick and tired of losing. I also believe that our young guys will develop better on say a 44 win team versus a 28 win team. Experiencing winning and knowing how to win in the NBA is invaluable. Vlade was 30 when he came to the Kings. He was 32 first time Kings won 50 plus games and 35 when we lost to TWolves in semis in 2004. Doug Christie was 30 when he arrived and 33 on that semis team. Where would those glory years teams have been without those two? I think we tend to forget that. So let's stop with this "they don't fit into timeline". Yes, Millsap and Hill are 32 and 31 but they're both coming off their highest point per game seasons of their careers. A big thing to consider is like Vlade, neither one of them rely on athleticism so it is easier to see them continue to play well as they age. That's why I think Joe Ingles (for the 100th time) is a good fit. He doesn't rely on athleticism. All three guys can pass, shoot, and defend. They're also all good basketball players. We need more of those. I feel all three would eventually accept bench roles with Hill and Ingles sliding to the bench sooner.

For all three guys it is likely their last chance for a big payday. The Kings can be creative with their contract offers and I think they should. Remember the poison pill contract concept? The Kings have more cap space than any team right now. Offer these 3 guys a lot the first year and have it decline so when it is time to pay the younger guys their contracts don't look so bad. It would probably take a minimum 3 year contract with 4th year team option to get Millsap and 2 year contract with 3rd year team option for Hill and Ingles.

On Faried, no thanks. While I like his energy and that he's a rim runner today's NBA is a league of shooting and he can't shoot. I know only Millsap was mentioned as PF but I'd take Serge Ibaka or JaMychal Green before Faried.

On Holliday, while he is younger than Hill I don't think he'd be as receptive to relinquish the starting PG spot to our hopeful franchise PG Fox. Holliday also isn't an experienced winner and for a younger guy hasn't been very durable. Other than Hill I'd consider Collison or Lawson because they know the system.

On Gay, been there done that. We can try to throw a max at Otto Porter but we should be looking at Ingles, Jonathon Simmons or Troy Williams as cheap option.

The below roster will play basketball the right way. They WILL make the playoffs and I'd be super excited because again I'm tired of losing.

PG George Hill/De'Aaron Fox/Frank Mason
SG Buddy Hield/Bogdan Bogdanovic/Malachi Richardson
SF Joe Ingles/Garrett Temple/Justin Jackson
PF Paul Millsap/Skal Labissiere/Harry Giles
C Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Georgios Papagiannis

If the young guys become what we're hoping then we can be a top team within 3 years. Not making moves to continue to lose is a losers mentality. There is this talk about new culture in SacTown. Good citizens and teammates are great to cheer for but sports is about WINNING! Let's do both!

The global goal is not to win 44 games, reach playoffs and be swiped by Warriors. The global goal is to build dynasty. It will take several years step-by-step development but adding players like 32 Millsap on 100+ million 4-year deal right now will not get us closer to our goal.
We need to rely on our young guys, give them as much minutes as possible, test them first, and only then add top possible FAs if we will see that some of our youngs are ready to be our future core and ready to jump into PO battles.
Just look at Lakers with Mozgov (they user 2-nd overall drafted guy to kick out his contract) and Deng.

Who said the goal was to win 44 games? For a franchise that hasn't won 40 in over 10 years they need to try to be above .500. A dynasty? That's laughable. You can count on one hand the number of dynasties there have been in the history of the NBA. Most contenders win close to 60 games. You expect a 30 win team to jump to 60? 44 would be great. Then hopefully 50, then 55, then 60. Teams become really good and great by first being good. Let's get to good first. The MJ Bulls dynasty had to get into the playoffs, then past the Cavs, then past the Pistons. They had to add players along the way. Harper, Rodman, Kukoc, Kerr. Let's talk about Kerr and his Warriors. They drafted Steph, Klay, and Draymond but they needed to add Iguodala and others along the way. They just didn't jump to 70 wins. They had to start winning first. The last example I'll give is the glory day Kings. First year 27-23. Second year 44-28. Eventually reached 61-21. They had to add guys along the way. Losing breeds losing. For any true Kings fans it's like we've forgot what winning is. The organization and it's fans should want to win. We'll see what happens starting 7/1. If management makes good decisions (empashis on good) towards the goal of winning I'm all for it. If the young guys are as good as we hope they'll see the court but they need winners with them and not end of the bench towell waivers but players. They'll have to be developed and some will need to become star types. Let's develop the young guys but do so in the right environment, a winning one. Vlade knows this as does anyone that's ever won.

[nolimit0820]

I hear the arguments too. The only position I have to relinquish my fandom is at the PG position. I'd love to see Mason play right away, but if we could land a guy like Hill I would be ecstatic for our future. I am all up for signing Milsap as Petrie pointed out, I just think winning is as invaluable. The only rookie who needs to play now and receive big minutes is Fox. Putting Skal on the bench is tough too but as long he gets consistent minutes and an identified role he will continue to develop. I like Ingles because he does everything right. Go for it, I'm just echoing Petrie but her creative with their deals...but bring them in and let's win. Winning with young guys only happens if there's a sacrifice by the young guys. If they earn it, it's there's. I'm even all for De'Aaron earning his spot... which he will

[StepBackCrack]

I say let the rookies play. Winning isn't important now.

I'm sure that's what Vlade, the coaches, and players think. Screw it. Winning isn't important now. For anyone that has ever played competitive sports, which I have, it's about winning. As a fan of the team and season ticket it's important to me as well. The rookies should play, IF they deserve to play.

Are you a Kings fan? Your Warrior user name and conflicting Fox Kings image confuse me.

That's not what I meant. Of course all players should play to win and not to tank. These players want to earn NBA contracts in the future after all. They all want to win. What I'm saying is that it's ok to let the rookies develop for next season only. That's all.

I'm not Warrior fan. A player fan. KD and Steph are fave players of mine just like Fox and Buddy. KD is my n.1 but this season Buddy became my 2nd fave and now Fox is competing with him for that 2nd place. Buddy made me really interested in the Kings this past season. I started following the Kings because of him and after watching the team for a bit, I started liking what I'm seeing from other young talents like Skal and WCS. I see lots of potential in them and they are all likable. This team to me is the most interesting team in the league right now. They are so fun to watch, young, nobody expects much from them and I just feel this special underdog story in this team. Seeing this team develop and succeed will be so satisfying to me but even if that does not happen, I will always cheer for them because I love the players on the team especially Buddy and Fox.

[jazanetti]

I agree with Vlade and his team if they plan on targeting some upper tier free agents like Millsap and Hill. I hear everyone's concerns about taking time away from the young guys and "tanking" at least this year to secure a top 2018 pick but I'm sick and tired of losing. I also believe that our young guys will develop better on say a 44 win team versus a 28 win team. Experiencing winning and knowing how to win in the NBA is invaluable. Vlade was 30 when he came to the Kings. He was 32 first time Kings won 50 plus games and 35 when we lost to TWolves in semis in 2004. Doug Christie was 30 when he arrived and 33 on that semis team. Where would those glory years teams have been without those two? I think we tend to forget that. So let's stop with this "they don't fit into timeline". Yes, Millsap and Hill are 32 and 31 but they're both coming off their highest point per game seasons of their careers. A big thing to consider is like Vlade, neither one of them rely on athleticism so it is easier to see them continue to play well as they age. That's why I think Joe Ingles (for the 100th time) is a good fit. He doesn't rely on athleticism. All three guys can pass, shoot, and defend. They're also all good basketball players. We need more of those. I feel all three would eventually accept bench roles with Hill and Ingles sliding to the bench sooner.

For all three guys it is likely their last chance for a big payday. The Kings can be creative with their contract offers and I think they should. Remember the poison pill contract concept? The Kings have more cap space than any team right now. Offer these 3 guys a lot the first year and have it decline so when it is time to pay the younger guys their contracts don't look so bad. It would probably take a minimum 3 year contract with 4th year team option to get Millsap and 2 year contract with 3rd year team option for Hill and Ingles.

On Faried, no thanks. While I like his energy and that he's a rim runner today's NBA is a league of shooting and he can't shoot. I know only Millsap was mentioned as PF but I'd take Serge Ibaka or JaMychal Green before Faried.

On Holliday, while he is younger than Hill I don't think he'd be as receptive to relinquish the starting PG spot to our hopeful franchise PG Fox. Holliday also isn't an experienced winner and for a younger guy hasn't been very durable. Other than Hill I'd consider Collison or Lawson because they know the system.

On Gay, been there done that. We can try to throw a max at Otto Porter but we should be looking at Ingles, Jonathon Simmons or Troy Williams as cheap option.

The below roster will play basketball the right way. They WILL make the playoffs and I'd be super excited because again I'm tired of losing.

PG George Hill/De'Aaron Fox/Frank Mason
SG Buddy Hield/Bogdan Bogdanovic/Malachi Richardson
SF Joe Ingles/Garrett Temple/Justin Jackson
PF Paul Millsap/Skal Labissiere/Harry Giles
C Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Georgios Papagiannis

If the young guys become what we're hoping then we can be a top team within 3 years. Not making moves to continue to lose is a losers mentality. There is this talk about new culture in SacTown. Good citizens and teammates are great to cheer for but sports is about WINNING! Let's do both!

The global goal is not to win 44 games, reach playoffs and be swiped by Warriors. The global goal is to build dynasty. It will take several years step-by-step development but adding players like 32 Millsap on 100+ million 4-year deal right now will not get us closer to our goal.
We need to rely on our young guys, give them as much minutes as possible, test them first, and only then add top possible FAs if we will see that some of our youngs are ready to be our future core and ready to jump into PO battles.
Just look at Lakers with Mozgov (they user 2-nd overall drafted guy to kick out his contract) and Deng.

Who said the goal was to win 44 games? For a franchise that hasn't won 40 in over 10 years they need to try to be above .500. A dynasty? That's laughable. You can count on one hand the number of dynasties there have been in the history of the NBA. Most contenders win close to 60 games. You expect a 30 win team to jump to 60? 44 would be great. Then hopefully 50, then 55, then 60. Teams become really good and great by first being good. Let's get to good first. The MJ Bulls dynasty had to get into the playoffs, then past the Cavs, then past the Pistons. They had to add players along the way. Harper, Rodman, Kukoc, Kerr. Let's talk about Kerr and his Warriors. They drafted Steph, Klay, and Draymond but they needed to add Iguodala and others along the way. They just didn't jump to 70 wins. They had to start winning first. The last example I'll give is the glory day Kings. First year 27-23. Second year 44-28. Eventually reached 61-21. They had to add guys along the way. Losing breeds losing. For any true Kings fans it's like we've forgot what winning is. The organization and it's fans should want to win. We'll see what happens starting 7/1. If management makes good decisions (empashis on good) towards the goal of winning I'm all for it. If the young guys are as good as we hope they'll see the court but they need winners with them and not end of the bench towell waivers but players. They'll have to be developed and some will need to become star types. Let's develop the young guys but do so in the right environment, a winning one. Vlade knows this as does anyone that's ever won.

Once again I don't argue about the process in general, but today it is not the right time to add non-star vets on very big (max) contracts.
Looking at Bulls/Warriors, first we have to find our MJ/Curry,Thompson and only then add guys like Iggy (Millsap). I'd prefer to add Porter/Doncic at the end of next season and Skal, Fox, Buddy playing 30 minutes, rather than signing Millsap, Beverly right now.

[Eisenheart]

right, we have to find our franchise player first. so let the young guns play, draft a SF next year and then we can argue about some Vets who can teach winning. but no need to offer long term max. contracts for mediocre old veterans

[codydaze]

I agree with Vlade and his team if they plan on targeting some upper tier free agents like Millsap and Hill. I hear everyone's concerns about taking time away from the young guys and "tanking" at least this year to secure a top 2018 pick but I'm sick and tired of losing. I also believe that our young guys will develop better on say a 44 win team versus a 28 win team. Experiencing winning and knowing how to win in the NBA is invaluable. Vlade was 30 when he came to the Kings. He was 32 first time Kings won 50 plus games and 35 when we lost to TWolves in semis in 2004. Doug Christie was 30 when he arrived and 33 on that semis team. Where would those glory years teams have been without those two? I think we tend to forget that. So let's stop with this "they don't fit into timeline". Yes, Millsap and Hill are 32 and 31 but they're both coming off their highest point per game seasons of their careers. A big thing to consider is like Vlade, neither one of them rely on athleticism so it is easier to see them continue to play well as they age. That's why I think Joe Ingles (for the 100th time) is a good fit. He doesn't rely on athleticism. All three guys can pass, shoot, and defend. They're also all good basketball players. We need more of those. I feel all three would eventually accept bench roles with Hill and Ingles sliding to the bench sooner.

For all three guys it is likely their last chance for a big payday. The Kings can be creative with their contract offers and I think they should. Remember the poison pill contract concept? The Kings have more cap space than any team right now. Offer these 3 guys a lot the first year and have it decline so when it is time to pay the younger guys their contracts don't look so bad. It would probably take a minimum 3 year contract with 4th year team option to get Millsap and 2 year contract with 3rd year team option for Hill and Ingles.

On Faried, no thanks. While I like his energy and that he's a rim runner today's NBA is a league of shooting and he can't shoot. I know only Millsap was mentioned as PF but I'd take Serge Ibaka or JaMychal Green before Faried.

On Holliday, while he is younger than Hill I don't think he'd be as receptive to relinquish the starting PG spot to our hopeful franchise PG Fox. Holliday also isn't an experienced winner and for a younger guy hasn't been very durable. Other than Hill I'd consider Collison or Lawson because they know the system.

On Gay, been there done that. We can try to throw a max at Otto Porter but we should be looking at Ingles, Jonathon Simmons or Troy Williams as cheap option.

The below roster will play basketball the right way. They WILL make the playoffs and I'd be super excited because again I'm tired of losing.

PG George Hill/De'Aaron Fox/Frank Mason
SG Buddy Hield/Bogdan Bogdanovic/Malachi Richardson
SF Joe Ingles/Garrett Temple/Justin Jackson
PF Paul Millsap/Skal Labissiere/Harry Giles
C Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Georgios Papagiannis

If the young guys become what we're hoping then we can be a top team within 3 years. Not making moves to continue to lose is a losers mentality. There is this talk about new culture in SacTown. Good citizens and teammates are great to cheer for but sports is about WINNING! Let's do both!

I really hope we don't go after Millsap and Hill. You mention Vlade and Doug Christie being pillars of the golden years at 32-35 and 30-33, respectively, but that was what a 4-5 year window where we had a shot at the title? I'd prefer letting these young guys take the wheel and hope for a much larger window of opportunity. Porter and Doncic in the '18 draft class could both be those generational guys that are the face of our franchise. A 44 win season this year not only guarantees we don't win the Finals, but also we have 0% chance of landing one of those guys.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

I wouldn't offer Millsap a max contract but now with the news of Bogdanovic getting $12 million per year that already takes a big chunk of the Kings cap. I think that points to them thinking he will be the SF this year. So I could see signing Troy Williams to cheap contract, he's only 22. Might as well bring back Tolliver and either Lawson or Collison on cheap 1 to 2 yr deals. Just can't get excited for more losing.