Kings Off-Season

[kalenclayton]

Clint is a nice (elite) role player but I've seen the guy rendered useless against the Warriors in the playoffs.

Don't get me wrong, he would be by far the best big on the Kings roster (pending Bagley) but do we really need to compound the PF/C problem with the addition of Capela?

Exactly. Whoever signs Capela to any figure close to max will deeply regret the decision. Capela is not a player who will carry your team to victory. Game 7 proved that.

Is this team signing anyone better? It’s going to take some type of payment for him to sign here and the Rockets to not match

Color me crazy, but I think Willie would fit greatly in Houston. If the Kings and Capela are mutually interested, then I see Houston wanting Willie + a 2nd back. It seems pretty reasonable if the Kings are paying the salary of Capela. Houston may ask for more though. I like the target though.

A 5-man rotation of Capela, Bagley, Giles, Koufos, and Randolph (I know...) looks really good, intriguing, and versatile. This allows Bagley and Giles to be brought along relatively slowly. After this year, we have Capela, Bagley, and Giles as the big men moving forward. I like it a lot! I think an addition of a combo forward who can shoot is needed. Then the front court looks just about complete.


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[kingjawn100]

i was all for Bagley over Doncic but drafting a non-defensive big makes free agency a lot tougher. Doable but tougher. We still have no 3&D wing or rim protector. Plus if we add another big man we'll have to get rid of 2 or 3 of our other bigs.

i wouldn't worry too much at the lack of names in the small forward market at this point. There will be a lot of guys declining their player options and also a lot of teams that need to shed salary. That being said i heard Hezonja was likely to return to Orlando.

The one reason that i think someone like Hood or Barton makes sense is cause they can create their own offense. We over-relied on ZBo last year but only because other guys just weren't capable of creating for themselves. Every team needs a bailout scorer who can create for himself late in a shotclock. Buddy/Bogi simply can't create that separation.

And before anyone brings it up, i would not kick the tires on Melo if he's bought out. Too much of a selfish player. He'd really stunt the learning curve of the other guys. If he could still defend 3s id say maybe as he would give us scoring pop and help us immensely on the glass but he really adds nothing defensively and he's purely a 4 at this point.

[KF10]

I never understood the fascination of Hezonja.

This guy was a bust until contract year came along and played decent -- and I say decent in the most conservative sense. I'll pass.

[City of Trees]

I never understood the fascination of Hezonja.

This guy was a bust until contract year came along and played decent -- and I say decent in the most conservative sense. I'll pass.

Yep.

My #1 target in free agency is Kyle Anderson (RFA).

Spurs QO is just under $5M. I think something around $8-9M per year for 3 years would do the trick.

Anderson isnt flashy but he is quicker than he looks. 6'8 with a 7'2 wingspan, high IQ, can pass, and plays D. He just does everything right similar to Bogi. Advanced stats love Kyle.

As for Hezonja I get the sense something is not quite right there. Too out of control far too often. Is athletic but I see unnatural type of movements. Mentally he seems to fall on his face occasionally. Serious question marks with him.

[sacking123]

I think I'm going to join the Kyle Anderson bandwagon if we can't get a Porter or Oubre via trade.
Anderson is the kind of guy that will fit with the core, low usage quality defender. Yes he needs to improve his three point shot, but if/when he does we would have an absolute steal. With the Leonard drama I don't know what the Spurs will match, but I would be tempted to put out an offer like 4/63 with the 4th a player option.
14,000,000
15,120,000
16,329,600
17,635,968
63,085,568
One thing we need to do is stagger some contracts and this year and next are the 2 years we have. Anderson as a target this year and let this group figure out what else we need, or who won't pan out and go and find perhaps our star next off season.
Porter is my first choice to go after with any combination of cap space/WCS/Skal/2nd rounders. We do have 3 2nd rounders next season and 2 the following.

[sacking123]

I never understood the fascination of Hezonja.

This guy was a bust until contract year came along and played decent -- and I say decent in the most conservative sense. I'll pass.

Yep.

My #1 target in free agency is Kyle Anderson (RFA).

Spurs QO is just under $5M. I think something around $8-9M per year for 3 years would do the trick.

Anderson isnt flashy but he is quicker than he looks. 6'8 with a 7'2 wingspan, high IQ, can pass, and plays D. He just does everything right similar to Bogi. Advanced stats love Kyle.

As for Hezonja I get the sense something is not quite right there. Too out of control far too often. Is athletic but I see unnatural type of movements. Mentally he seems to fall on his face occasionally. Serious question marks with him.

I was actually researching my post when you put this up! Do you honestly think Anderson would a) be willing to sign for so little and b) the spurs not match anything remotely close to 11-12 mill?

[jazanetti]

I think I'm going to join the Kyle Anderson bandwagon if we can't get a Porter or Oubre via trade.
Anderson is the kind of guy that will fit with the core, low usage quality defender. Yes he needs to improve his three point shot, but if/when he does we would have an absolute steal. With the Leonard drama I don't know what the Spurs will match, but I would be tempted to put out an offer like 4/63 with the 4th a player option.
14,000,000
15,120,000
16,329,600
17,635,968
63,085,568
One thing we need to do is stagger some contracts and this year and next are the 2 years we have. Anderson as a target this year and let this group figure out what else we need, or who won't pan out and go and find perhaps our star next off season.
Porter is my first choice to go after with any combination of cap space/WCS/Skal/2nd rounders. We do have 3 2nd rounders next season and 2 the following.

I hope 63 millions with player option for Slow Mo is a joke?)
I don't think he is much better than JJ, while JJ has 3 more years of cheap contract. I don't even think it's really necessary to add so expensive SF who is not even close to star potential. Just don't forget that all these Spurs/Celtics products are most often unable to prove their level in other teams.
We have Fox-Buddy-Bogie lineup and they all should be given big minutes. We have JJ, Temple and Shump as rotation wings. And I thing we can at least try Bagley-Giles-WCS lineup. Every one of them is quick enough to defend against wings. If stuff think we have to add one more wing - just throw big one year deal (18-20 millions) to Burton or get Chandler, something like this. Do not clog payroll.
I think global strategy shall be as follows: give our youngsters as much as possible opportunities, help them prove they are talented enough. At 2019 we'll have a lot of cap space, no dead money and some proven young talents. May be we'll be able to sign top FAs. If not, than just continue to develop our young core and hunt for fitting RFAs with big potential.

[LightTheBeam]

I never understood the fascination of Hezonja.

This guy was a bust until contract year came along and played decent -- and I say decent in the most conservative sense. I'll pass.

How often do teams turn down a 4th year option on a top 5 pick? Mario is a bust, he doesn't do anything even average.

I think Kings fans remember when we were drafting that year, the Kings said we had interest in drafting him. I don't see a viable free agent for us to go after.

The answer is a trade. Oubre, Porter, Winslow, - these are the players we need to target.

Otherwise just stand pat, maybe give Brooklyn Randolph/2nds for Carroll. Sign a veteran pg for 1 year.

WCS/Koufos/Giles
Bagley/Skal
Bogdan/Carroll/JJ
Hield/Temple/Shump
Fox/Mason/Vet

Id be okay with this lineup to start. Hopefully within about 20 games we see Koufos get phased out of the lineup. I think next year we have better options in free agency. Overpaying for Tobias or Middleton. Trying to force Washington not to match Oubre.

[LightTheBeam]

I think I'm going to join the Kyle Anderson bandwagon if we can't get a Porter or Oubre via trade.
Anderson is the kind of guy that will fit with the core, low usage quality defender. Yes he needs to improve his three point shot, but if/when he does we would have an absolute steal. With the Leonard drama I don't know what the Spurs will match, but I would be tempted to put out an offer like 4/63 with the 4th a player option.
14,000,000
15,120,000
16,329,600
17,635,968
63,085,568
One thing we need to do is stagger some contracts and this year and next are the 2 years we have. Anderson as a target this year and let this group figure out what else we need, or who won't pan out and go and find perhaps our star next off season.
Porter is my first choice to go after with any combination of cap space/WCS/Skal/2nd rounders. We do have 3 2nd rounders next season and 2 the following.

Ya I never understood the fascination with this kid. Hes definitely more of a 4 than a 3 and he doesn't shoot at all. Hes been placed in a prime situation with Pop in SA and still hasn't been very effective. If we are going for a non shooting wing id much rather at least get the elite defender in MKG

[sacking123]

I think I'm going to join the Kyle Anderson bandwagon if we can't get a Porter or Oubre via trade.
Anderson is the kind of guy that will fit with the core, low usage quality defender. Yes he needs to improve his three point shot, but if/when he does we would have an absolute steal. With the Leonard drama I don't know what the Spurs will match, but I would be tempted to put out an offer like 4/63 with the 4th a player option.
14,000,000
15,120,000
16,329,600
17,635,968
63,085,568
One thing we need to do is stagger some contracts and this year and next are the 2 years we have. Anderson as a target this year and let this group figure out what else we need, or who won't pan out and go and find perhaps our star next off season.
Porter is my first choice to go after with any combination of cap space/WCS/Skal/2nd rounders. We do have 3 2nd rounders next season and 2 the following.

Ya I never understood the fascination with this kid. Hes definitely more of a 4 than a 3 and he doesn't shoot at all. Hes been placed in a prime situation with Pop in SA and still hasn't been very effective. If we are going for a non shooting wing id much rather at least get the elite defender in MKG

That’s the thing, Anderson’s stats suggest he was an elite defender last season, right the top in terms of SFs.
While he can play some small ball 4 he is by no means a PF. His shooting is a concern and SA didn’t even play him much against GS in the playoffs because of this until the last two games he shot very well in limited minutes. He isn’t aggressive though which he needs to be, however he’s such a good defender that he would compliment the roster now and moving forward without destroying the cap. Not our star that’s for sure, but a huge piece IMO to continue the growth towards POs.


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[City of Trees]

I think I'm going to join the Kyle Anderson bandwagon if we can't get a Porter or Oubre via trade.
Anderson is the kind of guy that will fit with the core, low usage quality defender. Yes he needs to improve his three point shot, but if/when he does we would have an absolute steal. With the Leonard drama I don't know what the Spurs will match, but I would be tempted to put out an offer like 4/63 with the 4th a player option.
14,000,000
15,120,000
16,329,600
17,635,968
63,085,568
One thing we need to do is stagger some contracts and this year and next are the 2 years we have. Anderson as a target this year and let this group figure out what else we need, or who won't pan out and go and find perhaps our star next off season.
Porter is my first choice to go after with any combination of cap space/WCS/Skal/2nd rounders. We do have 3 2nd rounders next season and 2 the following.

Ya I never understood the fascination with this kid. Hes definitely more of a 4 than a 3 and he doesn't shoot at all. Hes been placed in a prime situation with Pop in SA and still hasn't been very effective. If we are going for a non shooting wing id much rather at least get the elite defender in MKG

That’s the thing, Anderson’s stats suggest he was an elite defender last season, right the top in terms of SFs.
While he can play some small ball 4 he is by no means a PF. His shooting is a concern and SA didn’t even play him much against GS in the playoffs because of this until the last two games he shot very well in limited minutes. He isn’t aggressive though which he needs to be, however he’s such a good defender that he would compliment the roster now and moving forward without destroying the cap. Not our star that’s for sure, but a huge piece IMO to continue the growth towards POs.


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Exactly Anderson is more glue guy yhan star.

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[jazanetti]

Ya I never understood the fascination with this kid. Hes definitely more of a 4 than a 3 and he doesn't shoot at all. Hes been placed in a prime situation with Pop in SA and still hasn't been very effective. If we are going for a non shooting wing id much rather at least get the elite defender in MKG

That’s the thing, Anderson’s stats suggest he was an elite defender last season, right the top in terms of SFs.
While he can play some small ball 4 he is by no means a PF. His shooting is a concern and SA didn’t even play him much against GS in the playoffs because of this until the last two games he shot very well in limited minutes. He isn’t aggressive though which he needs to be, however he’s such a good defender that he would compliment the roster now and moving forward without destroying the cap. Not our star that’s for sure, but a huge piece IMO to continue the growth towards POs.


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Exactly Anderson is more glue guy yhan star.

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Are we already in the stage to throw 60 million 4 year deals to glue guys?

[kalenclayton]

That’s the thing, Anderson’s stats suggest he was an elite defender last season, right the top in terms of SFs.
While he can play some small ball 4 he is by no means a PF. His shooting is a concern and SA didn’t even play him much against GS in the playoffs because of this until the last two games he shot very well in limited minutes. He isn’t aggressive though which he needs to be, however he’s such a good defender that he would compliment the roster now and moving forward without destroying the cap. Not our star that’s for sure, but a huge piece IMO to continue the growth towards POs.


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Exactly Anderson is more glue guy yhan star.

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Are we already in the stage to throw 60 million 4 year deals to glue guys?

Nope. We aren’t. I’m down for giving him a big 1-year deal with a TO on a 2nd year, but that’s it. If we want him for multiple years, it’s gotta be at $8 Million per year. He’s not worth more than that.

[City of Trees]

That’s the thing, Anderson’s stats suggest he was an elite defender last season, right the top in terms of SFs.
While he can play some small ball 4 he is by no means a PF. His shooting is a concern and SA didn’t even play him much against GS in the playoffs because of this until the last two games he shot very well in limited minutes. He isn’t aggressive though which he needs to be, however he’s such a good defender that he would compliment the roster now and moving forward without destroying the cap. Not our star that’s for sure, but a huge piece IMO to continue the growth towards POs.


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Exactly Anderson is more glue guy yhan star.

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Are we already in the stage to throw 60 million 4 year deals to glue guys?

Idk where you got those figures but thats a huge overpay.

I posted yesterday the Spurs QO is just under $5M ... I thought something around $8-9M per year for 3 years seemed reasonable.

I've read where some experts believe KA stays close to the MLE area. He isn't getting star money.

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[LightTheBeam]

Exactly Anderson is more glue guy yhan star.

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Are we already in the stage to throw 60 million 4 year deals to glue guys?

Nope. We aren’t. I’m down for giving him a big 1-year deal with a TO on a 2nd year, but that’s it. If we want him for multiple years, it’s gotta be at $8 Million per year. He’s not worth more than that.

Even at 8 million a year... It just seems like we look back on this in 2 years and say what the hell were we thinking. Kinda like Carl Landry. Except at least Landry had a positive career as a face up scorer.

Don't be fooled by Andersons DBPM, this is the same team that Gasol put up elite DBPM better than Draymond last year. Anderson would immediately become an average defender outside of the Spurs.

[jazanetti]

Exactly Anderson is more glue guy yhan star.

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Are we already in the stage to throw 60 million 4 year deals to glue guys?

Idk where you got those figures but thats a huge overpay.

I posted yesterday the Spurs QO is just under $5M ... I thought something around $8-9M per year for 3 years seemed reasonable.

I've read where some experts believe KA stays close to the MLE area. He isn't getting star money.

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Those figures were discussed some posts earlier) 8-9 millions is normal deal, but I'm not very high on Kyle. He's too slow, poor shooter and nearly 25 years old.

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[LightTheBeam]

Are we already in the stage to throw 60 million 4 year deals to glue guys?

Idk where you got those figures but thats a huge overpay.

I posted yesterday the Spurs QO is just under $5M ... I thought something around $8-9M per year for 3 years seemed reasonable.

I've read where some experts believe KA stays close to the MLE area. He isn't getting star money.

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Those figures were discussed some posts earlier) 8-9 millions is normal deal, but I'm not very high on Kyle. He's too slow, poor shooter and nearly 25 years old.

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Yup.. I actually think he could figure to be a nice backup 4. Playing 15-20 mpg, helping a lesser pg handle the ball. To me hes an EXTREMELY poor mans version of Odom. Basically Odom without the shot, athleticism, or physicality.

[SacKingZZZ]

Ya I never understood the fascination with this kid. Hes definitely more of a 4 than a 3 and he doesn't shoot at all. Hes been placed in a prime situation with Pop in SA and still hasn't been very effective. If we are going for a non shooting wing id much rather at least get the elite defender in MKG

That’s the thing, Anderson’s stats suggest he was an elite defender last season, right the top in terms of SFs.
While he can play some small ball 4 he is by no means a PF. His shooting is a concern and SA didn’t even play him much against GS in the playoffs because of this until the last two games he shot very well in limited minutes. He isn’t aggressive though which he needs to be, however he’s such a good defender that he would compliment the roster now and moving forward without destroying the cap. Not our star that’s for sure, but a huge piece IMO to continue the growth towards POs.


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But he could be much more if a team gave him the ball. Remember, this is a player that was a legit play maker in college. If a team gambles on him I think he can have that Diaw type of game people expected. I just don't know if the Kings would use him that way either but he could take away some of the sting of not drafting Doncic. I agree that he is more 4 than 3.

[kalenclayton]

Are we already in the stage to throw 60 million 4 year deals to glue guys?

Nope. We aren’t. I’m down for giving him a big 1-year deal with a TO on a 2nd year, but that’s it. If we want him for multiple years, it’s gotta be at $8 Million per year. He’s not worth more than that.

Even at 8 million a year... It just seems like we look back on this in 2 years and say what the hell were we thinking. Kinda like Carl Landry. Except at least Landry had a positive career as a face up scorer.

Don't be fooled by Andersons DBPM, this is the same team that Gasol put up elite DBPM better than Draymond last year. Anderson would immediately become an average defender outside of the Spurs.

I’m not really in the camp who wants Anderson. I just want to point out the cost. There is absolutely no way he is worst $15 Million a year. That’s albatross territory. I’m not even a fan of my suggestion of $8mil per year. That was just a better number to look at for me. I like Anderson. I actually think he can be a pretty decent player, but he’s not going to be better than he’s been in San Antonio. He’s been given a perfect role under Pop. He is far from a priority for me. I would probably be comfortable with a 1-year $10million deal if we ran out of options. If it was a multi-year deal, then I’d offer something like a 3-year, $16 Million deal. That likely gets matched and we move on with our lives.

I want different guys. Go after Ariza (VERY short term) or Smart you really want a wing defender. Go after Capela if you want a post defender/rim-runner. Don’t go after middling players who will “glue” you to mediocrity.


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