Kings Off-Season

[LightTheBeam]

That’s the thing, Anderson’s stats suggest he was an elite defender last season, right the top in terms of SFs.
While he can play some small ball 4 he is by no means a PF. His shooting is a concern and SA didn’t even play him much against GS in the playoffs because of this until the last two games he shot very well in limited minutes. He isn’t aggressive though which he needs to be, however he’s such a good defender that he would compliment the roster now and moving forward without destroying the cap. Not our star that’s for sure, but a huge piece IMO to continue the growth towards POs.


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Exactly Anderson is more glue guy yhan star.

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But he could be much more if a team gave him the ball. Remember, this is a player that was a legit play maker in college. If a team gambles on him I think he can have that Diaw type of game people expected. I just don't know if the Kings would use him that way either but he could take away some of the sting of not drafting Doncic. I agree that he is more 4 than 3.

Boris Diaw is an interesting comparison. I'm glad you brought him up. By year 2 Boris had an assist% of 20%, by year 3 he was at 25%. Kyle Anderson in 4 years on a good ball movement team has yet to crack 15%.

Boris also averaged 6.5 assists in his 3rd year with a usage of 18%. Kyle only averaged 3 with a 14% usage rate. The per 36 still has Boris 3 higher than Anderson. Boris was also much better equipped to defend 4's and 5's. Anderson is too skinny for 4's and to slow for 3's. I also think getting another 4 should be the last thing on our mind. We need a true 3. Not a 4 who can play some 3.

[City of Trees]

Exactly Anderson is more glue guy yhan star.

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But he could be much more if a team gave him the ball. Remember, this is a player that was a legit play maker in college. If a team gambles on him I think he can have that Diaw type of game people expected. I just don't know if the Kings would use him that way either but he could take away some of the sting of not drafting Doncic. I agree that he is more 4 than 3.

Boris Diaw is an interesting comparison. I'm glad you brought him up. By year 2 Boris had an assist% of 20%, by year 3 he was at 25%. Kyle Anderson in 4 years on a good ball movement team has yet to crack 15%.

Boris also averaged 6.5 assists in his 3rd year with a usage of 18%. Kyle only averaged 3 with a 14% usage rate. The per 36 still has Boris 3 higher than Anderson. Boris was also much better equipped to defend 4's and 5's. Anderson is too skinny for 4's and to slow for 3's. I also think getting another 4 should be the last thing on our mind. We need a true 3. Not a 4 who can play some 3.

Add context to those stats and the gap between the two shrinks. There is a reason Diaw's stats jumped in year 3. You know why!

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[City of Trees]

Also year 3 was the ONLY season Diaw averaged more than 4.9 assists per game.. He had a career average of 3.5 apg

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[LightTheBeam]

But he could be much more if a team gave him the ball. Remember, this is a player that was a legit play maker in college. If a team gambles on him I think he can have that Diaw type of game people expected. I just don't know if the Kings would use him that way either but he could take away some of the sting of not drafting Doncic. I agree that he is more 4 than 3.

Boris Diaw is an interesting comparison. I'm glad you brought him up. By year 2 Boris had an assist% of 20%, by year 3 he was at 25%. Kyle Anderson in 4 years on a good ball movement team has yet to crack 15%.

Boris also averaged 6.5 assists in his 3rd year with a usage of 18%. Kyle only averaged 3 with a 14% usage rate. The per 36 still has Boris 3 higher than Anderson. Boris was also much better equipped to defend 4's and 5's. Anderson is too skinny for 4's and to slow for 3's. I also think getting another 4 should be the last thing on our mind. We need a true 3. Not a 4 who can play some 3.

Add context to those stats and the gap between the two shrinks. There is a reason Diaw's stats jumped in year 3. You know why!

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Are you saying his stats went up because he went to the Suns with Pringles and Nash?

He statistically had his best year in Charlotte so I don't think thats the only reason why. I just think he was clearly a better player than Kyle.

I'm just not a huge fan, I was really hoping without a great pg and no Kawhi he would impress me this year but he never did. I think outside of San Antonio it only gets worse.

Id rather give the minutes to JJ who could hopefully become a good 3&D rather than invest time/money into Anderson.

[LightTheBeam]

How would you guys feel about signing Isaiah Thomas for a year if he was willing to be a veteran backup pg?

Lets say he wants to rehab his value and there aren't many suitors for him outside of maybe Orlando. Would you guys welcome him back? He was a fan favorite but I know his reputation has kinda tanked over the last year.

[City of Trees]

Boris Diaw is an interesting comparison. I'm glad you brought him up. By year 2 Boris had an assist% of 20%, by year 3 he was at 25%. Kyle Anderson in 4 years on a good ball movement team has yet to crack 15%.

Boris also averaged 6.5 assists in his 3rd year with a usage of 18%. Kyle only averaged 3 with a 14% usage rate. The per 36 still has Boris 3 higher than Anderson. Boris was also much better equipped to defend 4's and 5's. Anderson is too skinny for 4's and to slow for 3's. I also think getting another 4 should be the last thing on our mind. We need a true 3. Not a 4 who can play some 3.

Add context to those stats and the gap between the two shrinks. There is a reason Diaw's stats jumped in year 3. You know why!

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Are you saying his stats went up because he went to the Suns with Pringles and Nash?

He statistically had his best year in Charlotte so I don't think thats the only reason why. I just think he was clearly a better player than Kyle.

I'm just not a huge fan, I was really hoping without a great pg and no Kawhi he would impress me this year but he never did. I think outside of San Antonio it only gets worse.

Id rather give the minutes to JJ who could hopefully become a good 3&D rather than invest time/money into Anderson.

Playing alongside Nash, Marion, Stoudemire, and Bell definitely helped his assist number jump that season! He never had another assist season like that.

As for Charolette you have to remember he was playing 34-37 minutes per game getting up Kings Zbo type shot numbers. Boosted stats.

Diaw's skillset is a good comparison for Kyle. I dont know why you think he is too slow but i suggest you watch his D against Ben Simmons and other elite wings this season. No issue. Deceptive quickness. Not his speed but quickness which is more important when defending. He also has quick hands. Dont let the Slo Mo nickname fool you. He can move when he wants to. I think people watch him handle and he does move at a slower speed but its intentional. Dude is a combo F who's first position is SF.

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[LightTheBeam]

Add context to those stats and the gap between the two shrinks. There is a reason Diaw's stats jumped in year 3. You know why!

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Are you saying his stats went up because he went to the Suns with Pringles and Nash?

He statistically had his best year in Charlotte so I don't think thats the only reason why. I just think he was clearly a better player than Kyle.

I'm just not a huge fan, I was really hoping without a great pg and no Kawhi he would impress me this year but he never did. I think outside of San Antonio it only gets worse.

Id rather give the minutes to JJ who could hopefully become a good 3&D rather than invest time/money into Anderson.

Playing alongside Nash, Marion, Stoudemire, and Bell definitely helped his assist number jump that season! He never had another assist season like that.

As for Charolette you have to remember he was playing 34-37 minutes per game getting up Kings Zbo type shot numbers. Boosted stats.

Diaw's skillset is a good comparison for Kyle. I dont know why you think he is too slow but i suggest you watch his D against Ben Simmons and other elite wings this season. No issue. Deceptive quickness. Not his speed but quickness which is more important when defending. He also has quick hands. Dont let the Slo Mo nickname fool you. He can move when he wants to. I think people watch him handle and he does move at a slower speed but its intentional. Dude is a combo F who's first position is SF.

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Amare played 3 games that year. Raja Bell was pretty much Danny Green if he took a few more shots per game. Also not sure why playing with Nash would raise his assist numbers, Nash was the playmaker.

We will have to agree to disagree. I've watched Kyle play a TON. He has never once jumped off the court. Id prefer to overpay Ariza for a few years than what I would consider wasted money in Anderson.

[bleeds_purple]

We definitely need more forwards on the team who can play the 4. Truth be told we have gaping holes at 3 and 4. Bagley/Giles/WCS are tweeners that are closer to 5s than 4s in this league.

I don't see how you can field a modern team without a single "big" who is an outside shooter. Realistically you want multiple. Anderson is probably the best player available that we have a chance to acquire. Though, I don't see him making much of an impact.

[blind prophet]

How would you guys feel about signing Isaiah Thomas for a year if he was willing to be a veteran backup pg?

Lets say he wants to rehab his value and there aren't many suitors for him outside of maybe Orlando. Would you guys welcome him back? He was a fan favorite but I know his reputation has kinda tanked over the last year.

The only temptation would be that we could start both Buddy & Bogi with a scorer like that off the bench.

[kalenclayton]

How would you guys feel about signing Isaiah Thomas for a year if he was willing to be a veteran backup pg?

Lets say he wants to rehab his value and there aren't many suitors for him outside of maybe Orlando. Would you guys welcome him back? He was a fan favorite but I know his reputation has kinda tanked over the last year.

I mean, as a fan I would love to see him don purple again. He was my favorite player when he was a King. The issue with his return would be the development hindrance he could potentially be to our young guys. He would primarily hinder Mason’s development due to his position. He may also hurt the team defense development of our young guys because they would always be chasing due to Thomas’ poor defensive play.

All that being said, I think his offensive fit would be tremendous. The team lacks shot creators and he would instantly slot in as the best creator on the team. He plays with heart, which fits with Vlade’s vision. Does he want to come back though?


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[kalenclayton]

We definitely need more forwards on the team who can play the 4. Truth be told we have gaping holes at 3 and 4. Bagley/Giles/WCS are tweeners that are closer to 5s than 4s in this league.

I don't see how you can field a modern team without a single "big" who is an outside shooter. Realistically you want multiple. Anderson is probably the best player available that we have a chance to acquire. Though, I don't see him making much of an impact.

That is why we need to stay away from him. What’s the point of signing a guy if he can’t make much of an impact? Anderson may be realistically available to us, but he is not the guy we need or even want at the price point he will command.

I don’t see us as FA players this offseason. I think there is a decently sized trade this offseason that we use cap space for.


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[bleeds_purple]

We definitely need more forwards on the team who can play the 4. Truth be told we have gaping holes at 3 and 4. Bagley/Giles/WCS are tweeners that are closer to 5s than 4s in this league.

I don't see how you can field a modern team without a single "big" who is an outside shooter. Realistically you want multiple. Anderson is probably the best player available that we have a chance to acquire. Though, I don't see him making much of an impact.

That is why we need to stay away from him. What’s the point of signing a guy if he can’t make much of an impact? Anderson may be realistically available to us, but he is not the guy we need or even want at the price point he will command.

I don’t see us as FA players this offseason. I think there is a decently sized trade this offseason that we use cap space for.


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Yea... I'm not really keen on giving him what's likely going to be $20-30 million. Paying bench players when you don't have a starting lineup isn't a great plan. Just saying we have huge holes at both forward spots.

[SacKingZZZ]

How would you guys feel about signing Isaiah Thomas for a year if he was willing to be a veteran backup pg?

Lets say he wants to rehab his value and there aren't many suitors for him outside of maybe Orlando. Would you guys welcome him back? He was a fan favorite but I know his reputation has kinda tanked over the last year.

I'd feel like...

[SacKingZZZ]

Exactly Anderson is more glue guy yhan star.

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But he could be much more if a team gave him the ball. Remember, this is a player that was a legit play maker in college. If a team gambles on him I think he can have that Diaw type of game people expected. I just don't know if the Kings would use him that way either but he could take away some of the sting of not drafting Doncic. I agree that he is more 4 than 3.

Boris Diaw is an interesting comparison. I'm glad you brought him up. By year 2 Boris had an assist% of 20%, by year 3 he was at 25%. Kyle Anderson in 4 years on a good ball movement team has yet to crack 15%.

Boris also averaged 6.5 assists in his 3rd year with a usage of 18%. Kyle only averaged 3 with a 14% usage rate. The per 36 still has Boris 3 higher than Anderson. Boris was also much better equipped to defend 4's and 5's. Anderson is too skinny for 4's and to slow for 3's. I also think getting another 4 should be the last thing on our mind. We need a true 3. Not a 4 who can play some 3.

How you are used is key. When drafted Diaw was seen as a big PG basically. The Spurs haven't used Anderson the way he was in college where in his sophomore season as UCLA's lead play maker he averaged 6.5 assists a game. Per 36 he's averaging 3.7 a game which isn't bad. I watched more Spurs last year than I usually do and he's used more like a typical Spurs role player. I was a bit disappointed honestly.

[City of Trees]

Amare played 3 games that year.

touché

We will have to agree to disagree. I've watched Kyle play a TON. He has never once jumped off the court. Id prefer to overpay Ariza for a few years than what I would consider wasted money in Anderson.

I can live with agreeing to disagree. For the record I never said Kyle would be some sort of splash signing.

I believe he can provide relatively cheap quality play at a position that doesnt provide a ton of options this free agency period.


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[City of Trees]

I want size at the SF position. Combo forward. Signing a guy like Barton is redundant when he is 6'5" to 6'6" basically similar size to Bogi and Buddy at SG/SF.

6'7" to 6"9.5" is what id like to see. OR he can be shorter like Miles Bridges if he can bang down low. But we need a banger at SF/PF. Just my opinion.


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[SacKingZZZ]

Justise Winslow is supposedly not off limits. His 3 point shot is coming along well, but his mid-range is sketchy which is probably the most important thing imaginable for Joerger, lol. He has lock down ability at 4 positions. I wouldn't mind seeing the Kings check into that.

[LightTheBeam]

Amare played 3 games that year.

touché

We will have to agree to disagree. I've watched Kyle play a TON. He has never once jumped off the court. Id prefer to overpay Ariza for a few years than what I would consider wasted money in Anderson.

I can live with agreeing to disagree. For the record I never said Kyle would be some sort of splash signing.

I believe he can provide relatively cheap quality play at a position that doesnt provide a ton of options this free agency period.


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To me the easy answer is playing Bogdan/Hield this year together. Like you said there aren't a ton of better options out there. If it becomes painfully evident that it won't work, then we can bench 1 of them for Temple or JJ in the starting lineup.

That said I'm prepared to be incredibly disappointed when Temple, Koufos and some random FA Vet are starting with WCS/Fox to begin the year. Best case maybe he benches Temple for Bogdan. But I fully expect the Koufos/WCS front court to continue to start and some Carter type Vet to be playing SF.

[LightTheBeam]

Justise Winslow is supposedly not off limits. His 3 point shot is coming along well, but his mid-range is sketchy which is probably the most important thing imaginable for Joerger, lol. He has lock down ability at 4 positions. I wouldn't mind seeing the Kings check into that.

Ya I posted on the trades and transactions board. At this point im okay giving up any 2 of Skal/JJ/WCS for him. Not sure it even takes 2 but id do it if required. Probably Skal/2nds would get it done. He makes a ton of sense for our roster moving forward..

Bigs - Giles/WCS/Bagley
Wings - Buddy/Bogdan/JJ/Winslow
Guards - Fox/Mason

Vets - Koufos/Randolph/Temple/Shump/some pg.

I wouldn't mind that at all.

[City of Trees]

Amare played 3 games that year.

touché

We will have to agree to disagree. I've watched Kyle play a TON. He has never once jumped off the court. Id prefer to overpay Ariza for a few years than what I would consider wasted money in Anderson.

I can live with agreeing to disagree. For the record I never said Kyle would be some sort of splash signing.

I believe he can provide relatively cheap quality play at a position that doesnt provide a ton of options this free agency period.


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To me the easy answer is playing Bogdan/Hield this year together. Like you said there aren't a ton of better options out there. If it becomes painfully evident that it won't work, then we can bench 1 of them for Temple or JJ in the starting lineup.

That said I'm prepared to be incredibly disappointed when Temple, Koufos and some random FA Vet are starting with WCS/Fox to begin the year. Best case maybe he benches Temple for Bogdan. But I fully expect the Koufos/WCS front court to continue to start and some Carter type Vet to be playing SF.

WCS over Giles has good reasoning starting with easing Giles workload back into full duty.

Koufos over Bagley I cant justify

FA Vet over JJ is probably the right call since JJ ceiling is solid role player.

Bogi or Buddy will start at SG. Bet on Bogi

"Fox is driving this thing"

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