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Wow, man, just saw the Pacers beat the Knicks to go to the East Finals.. I thought it would be a couple years before we were definitively going to hear about the Tyrese trade all the time..
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I am enjoying these playoffs and can't help but see what Mike Brown is preaching and how far away Sacramneto is from the top level.
Step one must be to resign Brown, and worry about the players next. The latter stages shown a new level of execution and intensity which I am not sure that Kings can get to as configured.
Step one must be to resign Brown, and worry about the players next. The latter stages shown a new level of execution and intensity which I am not sure that Kings can get to as configured.
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I think Malik is a goner. I believe other teams will out-bid the Kings for Malik. I doubt he will return to Sacramento to a lesser contract than what is out there.
Not sure Huerter is a long-term solution at the SG position.
Can Keon be the guy at SG? He can be the KCP/Bruce Brown level player at this position if we give him more starting minutes, imo.
A Fox & Keon backcourt can work. Keon takes on the toughest assignment, while Fox can focus more on offense.
Keegan at the 3 (or 4 as needed) is fine.
I don’t want to see Barnes in the starting lineup again. Trade him or move him to the bench.
Sabonis is a lock at 5 (or move him to the 4 if he decides to shoot more jumpshots/3PTs and find a legit defensive big next to Sabonis).
Bench depth isn’t good.
There is a lot of holes that Monte needs to fill. If he decides to stand pat again, we are definitely missing the playoffs again next season.
Not sure Huerter is a long-term solution at the SG position.
Can Keon be the guy at SG? He can be the KCP/Bruce Brown level player at this position if we give him more starting minutes, imo.
A Fox & Keon backcourt can work. Keon takes on the toughest assignment, while Fox can focus more on offense.
Keegan at the 3 (or 4 as needed) is fine.
I don’t want to see Barnes in the starting lineup again. Trade him or move him to the bench.
Sabonis is a lock at 5 (or move him to the 4 if he decides to shoot more jumpshots/3PTs and find a legit defensive big next to Sabonis).
Bench depth isn’t good.
There is a lot of holes that Monte needs to fill. If he decides to stand pat again, we are definitely missing the playoffs again next season.
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KF10 wrote:I think Malik is a goner. I believe other teams will out-bid the Kings for Malik. I doubt he will return to Sacramento to a lesser contract than what is out there.
Not sure Huerter is a long-term solution at the SG position.
Can Keon be the guy at SG? He can be the KCP/Bruce Brown level player at this position if we give him more starting minutes, imo.
A Fox & Keon backcourt can work. Keon takes on the toughest assignment, while Fox can focus more on offense.
Keegan at the 3 (or 4 as needed) is fine.
I don’t want to see Barnes in the starting lineup again. Trade him or move him to the bench.
Sabonis is a lock at 5 (or move him to the 4 if he decides to shoot more jumpshots/3PTs and find a legit defensive big next to Sabonis).
Bench depth isn’t good.
There is a lot of holes that Monte needs to fill. If he decides to stand pat again, we are definitely missing the playoffs again next season.
You have to look at the team that Monte put together and it did its purpose, create high octane fun environment on the offensive end that would break the PO drought. Tick.
BUT the team went completely away from that this past season (not stylistically, emphasis) and while they had moments on the defensive end, consistency wasn't there due to these guys being mainly offensive players.
I still believe Monk will stay with a 2+1 deal, but he is also part of that offensive only mantra, but for whatever reason he gets a pass from us despite being the worst guard defender on the team. He is easily replaced.
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KF10 wrote:I think Malik is a goner. I believe other teams will out-bid the Kings for Malik. I doubt he will return to Sacramento to a lesser contract than what is out there.
Not sure Huerter is a long-term solution at the SG position.
Can Keon be the guy at SG? He can be the KCP/Bruce Brown level player at this position if we give him more starting minutes, imo.
A Fox & Keon backcourt can work. Keon takes on the toughest assignment, while Fox can focus more on offense.
Keegan at the 3 (or 4 as needed) is fine.
I don’t want to see Barnes in the starting lineup again. Trade him or move him to the bench.
Sabonis is a lock at 5 (or move him to the 4 if he decides to shoot more jumpshots/3PTs and find a legit defensive big next to Sabonis).
Bench depth isn’t good.
There is a lot of holes that Monte needs to fill. If he decides to stand pat again, we are definitely missing the playoffs again next season.
I'm hoping for Kyshawn George at #13 and he becomes our starting SG. This would improve our starting lineups length and defense.
In the 2nd round I hope we can get a lengthy 4/5 type like Ighodaro, Mogbo, Bona, Chomche, Freeman or Almansa for two-big lineups. Huerter, Mitchell and Ellis make for a decent bench. We'd have lineup flexibility that could counter anything most teams could throw at us. This imho would be a better team than 2023 and 2024 teams and we would have a shot at a playoff seed.
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KF10 wrote:I think Malik is a goner. I believe other teams will out-bid the Kings for Malik. I doubt he will return to Sacramento to a lesser contract than what is out there.
Not sure Huerter is a long-term solution at the SG position.
Can Keon be the guy at SG? He can be the KCP/Bruce Brown level player at this position if we give him more starting minutes, imo.
A Fox & Keon backcourt can work. Keon takes on the toughest assignment, while Fox can focus more on offense.
Keegan at the 3 (or 4 as needed) is fine.
I don’t want to see Barnes in the starting lineup again. Trade him or move him to the bench.
Sabonis is a lock at 5 (or move him to the 4 if he decides to shoot more jumpshots/3PTs and find a legit defensive big next to Sabonis).
Bench depth isn’t good.
There is a lot of holes that Monte needs to fill. If he decides to stand pat again, we are definitely missing the playoffs again next season.
Keon potential is higher than KCP/Brown imo. He's kind of the best of both of those guys. He can shoot, hes shown in limited basis he can create his own shot at times, and his defense is on par with them.
There should be a mandate that Huerter/Barnes are both gone. Thing is neither is terrible, both/either would be fine bench guys, but as you mentioned we have too many holes for that type of cost off the bench.
I'm not 100% sold that Monk is gone. There's been no smoke around him and Orlando. As much as Orlando fans on here want that, it seems that the team is more focused on two way players and shooters. I see them pursuing Dejounte at the draft, and PG13 in free agency. Now if they miss on both of those, they could panic overpay for Monk. IMO fans of teams always want teams like OKC where every single player is 20-24 years old and the window lines up perfectly. But most GM's prioritize adding some smart veterans when the core is already there. Monk has been a decent 6th man up until this year, where he took off. Even then we are talking 15/5 on 35% from deep. Not sure everyone sees him in the same light as us.
If Orlando doesn't pursue him, i'm not sure who will. Detroit has Cade/Ivey, though we can't rule them out of doing something dumb (Malik said he will prioritize fit/winning). OKC/Utah don't have the need for him. Philly is definitely going after bigger fish, and Monk doesn't seem like a priority around Maxey/Embid.
But let's assume he is gone.
I see 4 spots that need to be filled. Really more like 3 and then some veteran depth.
Huerter/Barnes/13 for Grant/Thybulle fills two of those spots immediately. And then can use MLE on someone like Malik Beasley/Bruce Brown/Gary Trent Jr to fill the last spot.
Another route. Barnes, Huerter, Duarte/Sasha + 2nds for Collins + Clarkson. MLE to Bruce Brown, Caleb Martin, DJJ, Naji Marshall.
Fox/Mitchell
Keon/Beasley
Keegan/Thybulle
Grant/Lyles
Sabonis/FA Depth
Fox/Mitchell
Keon/Clarkson
Keegan/Caleb Martin
Collins/Lyles
Sabonis/FA Depth
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I don't think we are dead in the water without Monk. I'd 100% love to bring him back, but he is replaceable.
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LightTheBeam wrote:KF10 wrote:I think Malik is a goner. I believe other teams will out-bid the Kings for Malik. I doubt he will return to Sacramento to a lesser contract than what is out there.
Not sure Huerter is a long-term solution at the SG position.
Can Keon be the guy at SG? He can be the KCP/Bruce Brown level player at this position if we give him more starting minutes, imo.
A Fox & Keon backcourt can work. Keon takes on the toughest assignment, while Fox can focus more on offense.
Keegan at the 3 (or 4 as needed) is fine.
I don’t want to see Barnes in the starting lineup again. Trade him or move him to the bench.
Sabonis is a lock at 5 (or move him to the 4 if he decides to shoot more jumpshots/3PTs and find a legit defensive big next to Sabonis).
Bench depth isn’t good.
There is a lot of holes that Monte needs to fill. If he decides to stand pat again, we are definitely missing the playoffs again next season.
Keon potential is higher than KCP/Brown imo. He's kind of the best of both of those guys. He can shoot, hes shown in limited basis he can create his own shot at times, and his defense is on par with them.
There should be a mandate that Huerter/Barnes are both gone. Thing is neither is terrible, both/either would be fine bench guys, but as you mentioned we have too many holes for that type of cost off the bench.
I'm not 100% sold that Monk is gone. There's been no smoke around him and Orlando. As much as Orlando fans on here want that, it seems that the team is more focused on two way players and shooters. I see them pursuing Dejounte at the draft, and PG13 in free agency. Now if they miss on both of those, they could panic overpay for Monk. IMO fans of teams always want teams like OKC where every single player is 20-24 years old and the window lines up perfectly. But most GM's prioritize adding some smart veterans when the core is already there. Monk has been a decent 6th man up until this year, where he took off. Even then we are talking 15/5 on 35% from deep. Not sure everyone sees him in the same light as us.
If Orlando doesn't pursue him, i'm not sure who will. Detroit has Cade/Ivey, though we can't rule them out of doing something dumb (Malik said he will prioritize fit/winning). OKC/Utah don't have the need for him. Philly is definitely going after bigger fish, and Monk doesn't seem like a priority around Maxey/Embid.
But let's assume he is gone.
I see 4 spots that need to be filled. Really more like 3 and then some veteran depth.
Huerter/Barnes/13 for Grant/Thybulle fills two of those spots immediately. And then can use MLE on someone like Malik Beasley/Bruce Brown/Gary Trent Jr to fill the last spot.
Another route. Barnes, Huerter, Duarte/Sasha + 2nds for Collins + Clarkson. MLE to Bruce Brown, Caleb Martin, DJJ, Naji Marshall.
Fox/Mitchell
Keon/Beasley
Keegan/Thybulle
Grant/Lyles
Sabonis/FA Depth
Fox/Mitchell
Keon/Clarkson
Keegan/Caleb Martin
Collins/Lyles
Sabonis/FA Depth
+#13
I don't think we are dead in the water without Monk. I'd 100% love to bring him back, but he is replaceable.
Detroit/Philly or anyone could pursue him just as a 6th man. Sixth man of the year finalists going forward just are above our early bird imo
Philly could aim for someone else, but im not seeing a lot of better free agents than Malik not tied to their current teams, which will be our problem in fa
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BoogieTime wrote:LightTheBeam wrote:KF10 wrote:I think Malik is a goner. I believe other teams will out-bid the Kings for Malik. I doubt he will return to Sacramento to a lesser contract than what is out there.
Not sure Huerter is a long-term solution at the SG position.
Can Keon be the guy at SG? He can be the KCP/Bruce Brown level player at this position if we give him more starting minutes, imo.
A Fox & Keon backcourt can work. Keon takes on the toughest assignment, while Fox can focus more on offense.
Keegan at the 3 (or 4 as needed) is fine.
I don’t want to see Barnes in the starting lineup again. Trade him or move him to the bench.
Sabonis is a lock at 5 (or move him to the 4 if he decides to shoot more jumpshots/3PTs and find a legit defensive big next to Sabonis).
Bench depth isn’t good.
There is a lot of holes that Monte needs to fill. If he decides to stand pat again, we are definitely missing the playoffs again next season.
Keon potential is higher than KCP/Brown imo. He's kind of the best of both of those guys. He can shoot, hes shown in limited basis he can create his own shot at times, and his defense is on par with them.
There should be a mandate that Huerter/Barnes are both gone. Thing is neither is terrible, both/either would be fine bench guys, but as you mentioned we have too many holes for that type of cost off the bench.
I'm not 100% sold that Monk is gone. There's been no smoke around him and Orlando. As much as Orlando fans on here want that, it seems that the team is more focused on two way players and shooters. I see them pursuing Dejounte at the draft, and PG13 in free agency. Now if they miss on both of those, they could panic overpay for Monk. IMO fans of teams always want teams like OKC where every single player is 20-24 years old and the window lines up perfectly. But most GM's prioritize adding some smart veterans when the core is already there. Monk has been a decent 6th man up until this year, where he took off. Even then we are talking 15/5 on 35% from deep. Not sure everyone sees him in the same light as us.
If Orlando doesn't pursue him, i'm not sure who will. Detroit has Cade/Ivey, though we can't rule them out of doing something dumb (Malik said he will prioritize fit/winning). OKC/Utah don't have the need for him. Philly is definitely going after bigger fish, and Monk doesn't seem like a priority around Maxey/Embid.
But let's assume he is gone.
I see 4 spots that need to be filled. Really more like 3 and then some veteran depth.
Huerter/Barnes/13 for Grant/Thybulle fills two of those spots immediately. And then can use MLE on someone like Malik Beasley/Bruce Brown/Gary Trent Jr to fill the last spot.
Another route. Barnes, Huerter, Duarte/Sasha + 2nds for Collins + Clarkson. MLE to Bruce Brown, Caleb Martin, DJJ, Naji Marshall.
Fox/Mitchell
Keon/Beasley
Keegan/Thybulle
Grant/Lyles
Sabonis/FA Depth
Fox/Mitchell
Keon/Clarkson
Keegan/Caleb Martin
Collins/Lyles
Sabonis/FA Depth
+#13
I don't think we are dead in the water without Monk. I'd 100% love to bring him back, but he is replaceable.
Detroit/Philly or anyone could pursue him just as a 6th man. Sixth man of the year finalists going forward just are above our early bird imo
Philly could aim for someone else, but im not seeing a lot of better free agents than Malik not tied to their current teams, which will be our problem in fa
That is the one thing that Monk has going for him. Free Agency is very limited this year.
From an enjoyment standpoint, I love the chemistry with Monk/Fox and Monk/Sabonis, but I don't see giving that kind of player 25 million as a winning move. I've said it all year
Poole - 27.5 million
Herro - 27
Simons - 24
Rozier - 23
Not a single one of those guys are "positive assets" that teams are begging to trade for. These are guys that teams were forced to overpay and regretted immediately.
IMO Monk is solidly in the tier of where we can afford -
Bogdan - 17
LeVert - 16.6
Clarkson - 14
Reaves - 13
DDV - 11.5
Coby White - 12
These are the guys who are fairly/slightly under paid who provide a similar role.
Love his game, don't love the idea of paying him 25+ million. He is not the 3rd best player on a title team. If some team decides to pay him that, I hope he lives up to it and wish him nothing but the best.
Kings need to look at this with a Dallas Mavericks mindset. Brunson left, and they quickly turned around and took a risk paying peanuts for Kyrie. Then they swapped crappy fits/players (Wood, Powell, Bullock) (our Huerter, Barnes, Duarte) with PJ, Gafford while drafting Lively. It's not doom if Monk walks out the door, Dallas showed the recipe.
Edit: We shouldn't confuse the role we just saw Monk play for us this year as optimal. We missed the playoffs. Committing to him as our #2 scorer is a bad idea. If we can bring him back, and add more guys thats amazing. But gutting the team and any other chances to improve for him locks us into mediocrity.
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Agreed LTB.
Switch the offensive specialists (Huerter/Barnes) into defensive specialist(s), or just a defensive upgrade whilst maintaining shooting and this team would pop IMO.
More of an offensive burden on Keegan for sure sprinkled in with Keon and others and this team will be much better. I'm not against keeping Huerter or Barnes, but the FO must ensure they are bench pieces moving forward if that is the case.
IMO one of the biggest problems was finding enough shots for guys like Barnes/Huerter. They just weren't there for them to make the type of impact they should as players.
Switch the offensive specialists (Huerter/Barnes) into defensive specialist(s), or just a defensive upgrade whilst maintaining shooting and this team would pop IMO.
More of an offensive burden on Keegan for sure sprinkled in with Keon and others and this team will be much better. I'm not against keeping Huerter or Barnes, but the FO must ensure they are bench pieces moving forward if that is the case.
IMO one of the biggest problems was finding enough shots for guys like Barnes/Huerter. They just weren't there for them to make the type of impact they should as players.
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I know this flies in the face of what I and others have been saying about getting better defenders, but the team needs to shoot better from outside. IMO that's more about the type of shots.
That corner 3 needs to go in at over 40%. If you look at the best teams in this stat, it all comes from that team having a superstar that draws attention and/or players that break down the D very well. Boston/NOP/OKC/Mil/Brooklyn/LAC/Ind/TWolves/NYK/Suns. They were all comfortably over 40%. The outlier there from what I'm saying is Brooklyn.
Left corner 3
5.7 attempts - 3rd in NBA
38.8% - 15th in NBA
Right corner 3
4.3 attempts - 18th in NBA
38.2% 21st in NBA
Overall Corner 3
10 attempts - Equal 6th in NBA
38.6% - 17th in NBA
Above Break 3
29.2 attempts - 4th in NBA
36% 16th in NBA
That corner 3 needs to go in at over 40%. If you look at the best teams in this stat, it all comes from that team having a superstar that draws attention and/or players that break down the D very well. Boston/NOP/OKC/Mil/Brooklyn/LAC/Ind/TWolves/NYK/Suns. They were all comfortably over 40%. The outlier there from what I'm saying is Brooklyn.
Left corner 3
5.7 attempts - 3rd in NBA
38.8% - 15th in NBA
Right corner 3
4.3 attempts - 18th in NBA
38.2% 21st in NBA
Overall Corner 3
10 attempts - Equal 6th in NBA
38.6% - 17th in NBA
Above Break 3
29.2 attempts - 4th in NBA
36% 16th in NBA
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I pretty much agree with everyone here.
Committing a massive deal for Monk long-term would be bad moving forward. Monk brought joy and a positive infusion to the team but it will handicap the team moving forward, unfortunately.
Keon definitely has real potential to be more than KCP/Brown but he needs to be unleashed in the starting lineup to get there, imo.
The Kings should try their best to trade Barnes & Huerter away for as much value as possible. They can be decent options off the bench for this team but the Kings need something new than those two.
Am I the only one that doesn't mind keeping the #13? The Kings get a rookie scale deal and a player that can help the Kings. Various players at this range can fill a lot of the holes (specifically, size & length, toughness).
What do you guys think?
Committing a massive deal for Monk long-term would be bad moving forward. Monk brought joy and a positive infusion to the team but it will handicap the team moving forward, unfortunately.
Keon definitely has real potential to be more than KCP/Brown but he needs to be unleashed in the starting lineup to get there, imo.
The Kings should try their best to trade Barnes & Huerter away for as much value as possible. They can be decent options off the bench for this team but the Kings need something new than those two.
Am I the only one that doesn't mind keeping the #13? The Kings get a rookie scale deal and a player that can help the Kings. Various players at this range can fill a lot of the holes (specifically, size & length, toughness).
What do you guys think?
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KF10 wrote:I pretty much agree with everyone here.
Committing a massive deal for Monk long-term would be bad moving forward. Monk brought joy and a positive infusion to the team but it will handicap the team moving forward, unfortunately.
Keon definitely has real potential to be more than KCP/Brown but he needs to be unleashed in the starting lineup to get there, imo.
The Kings should try their best to trade Barnes & Huerter away for as much value as possible. They can be decent options off the bench for this team but the Kings need something new than those two.
Am I the only one that doesn't mind keeping the #13? The Kings get a rookie scale deal and a player that can help the Kings. Various players at this range can fill a lot of the holes (specifically, size & length, toughness).
What do you guys think?
I want to keep #13 unless there is a no brainer deal lined up. I don't mean Kuzma either.
The only thing I don't want to see if the Kings select @ #13 is another 6'3 guard selected. This team is far too small as it is. Get someone in that has serious length.
Below are the current mock drafts. Not 1 has the same player. Still early in the process so will be interesting to see who jumps and falls.
The Ringer (KOC): Devin Carter
Tankathon: Cody Williams
NBAdraft.net: Terrence Shannon
NBAdraftroom.com: Zach Edey
ESPN (Jonathan Givony/Jeremy Woo): Ja'Kobe Walter
Deadspin: Tidjane Salaun
I don't know why NBAdraft.net has Terrence Shannon there. No one has him going in the draft and the comments from NBAdraftroom.com at #105 are:
Terrence is facing serious legal issues.
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Salaun is the only player on that list who even fits the archetype the team should be looking for, and he looks to be a long-term project. Devin Carter is another defense centric guard, Cody Williams is a big gamble considering he's a freshman and would leave Keegan playing full-time PF, Shannon is an alleged rapist, Edey is a fantastic, underrated prospect but we already have our center and Domas can't play next to a guy like Edey, and Walter is a fantastic guard but we already have too many guards with poor wing depth.
DaRon Holmes, Tyler Smith, Kyle Filipowski, and Tristan da Silva are all much better choices.
DaRon Holmes, Tyler Smith, Kyle Filipowski, and Tristan da Silva are all much better choices.
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OxAndFox wrote:KF10 wrote:I pretty much agree with everyone here.
Committing a massive deal for Monk long-term would be bad moving forward. Monk brought joy and a positive infusion to the team but it will handicap the team moving forward, unfortunately.
Keon definitely has real potential to be more than KCP/Brown but he needs to be unleashed in the starting lineup to get there, imo.
The Kings should try their best to trade Barnes & Huerter away for as much value as possible. They can be decent options off the bench for this team but the Kings need something new than those two.
Am I the only one that doesn't mind keeping the #13? The Kings get a rookie scale deal and a player that can help the Kings. Various players at this range can fill a lot of the holes (specifically, size & length, toughness).
What do you guys think?
I want to keep #13 unless there is a no brainer deal lined up. I don't mean Kuzma either.
The only thing I don't want to see if the Kings select @ #13 is another 6'3 guard selected. This team is far too small as it is. Get someone in that has serious length.
Below are the current mock drafts. Not 1 has the same player. Still early in the process so will be interesting to see who jumps and falls.
The Ringer (KOC): Devin Carter
Tankathon: Cody Williams
NBAdraft.net: Terrence Shannon
NBAdraftroom.com: Zach Edey
ESPN (Jonathan Givony/Jeremy Woo): Ja'Kobe Walter
Deadspin: Tidjane Salaun
I don't know why NBAdraft.net has Terrence Shannon there. No one has him going in the draft and the comments from NBAdraftroom.com at #105 are:Terrence is facing serious legal issues.
Seriously. Imo stop with this BPA stuff. This isn't a top 5 pick, at some point you need to build a team. All I heard with the davion pick was it was BPA, it messed with team chemistry and he had obvious limitations. We need to take some damn wings! Had we grabbed jognson or Murphy this team would have been in a whole different situation
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OxAndFox wrote:KF10 wrote:I pretty much agree with everyone here.
Committing a massive deal for Monk long-term would be bad moving forward. Monk brought joy and a positive infusion to the team but it will handicap the team moving forward, unfortunately.
Keon definitely has real potential to be more than KCP/Brown but he needs to be unleashed in the starting lineup to get there, imo.
The Kings should try their best to trade Barnes & Huerter away for as much value as possible. They can be decent options off the bench for this team but the Kings need something new than those two.
Am I the only one that doesn't mind keeping the #13? The Kings get a rookie scale deal and a player that can help the Kings. Various players at this range can fill a lot of the holes (specifically, size & length, toughness).
What do you guys think?
I want to keep #13 unless there is a no brainer deal lined up. I don't mean Kuzma either.
The only thing I don't want to see if the Kings select @ #13 is another 6'3 guard selected. This team is far too small as it is. Get someone in that has serious length.
Below are the current mock drafts. Not 1 has the same player. Still early in the process so will be interesting to see who jumps and falls.
The Ringer (KOC): Devin Carter
Tankathon: Cody Williams
NBAdraft.net: Terrence Shannon
NBAdraftroom.com: Zach Edey
ESPN (Jonathan Givony/Jeremy Woo): Ja'Kobe Walter
Deadspin: Tidjane Salaun
I don't know why NBAdraft.net has Terrence Shannon there. No one has him going in the draft and the comments from NBAdraftroom.com at #105 are:Terrence is facing serious legal issues.
We need a wing for sure at #13.
I can also be talked into drafting a C/big man.
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LightTheBeam wrote:OxAndFox wrote:KF10 wrote:I pretty much agree with everyone here.
Committing a massive deal for Monk long-term would be bad moving forward. Monk brought joy and a positive infusion to the team but it will handicap the team moving forward, unfortunately.
Keon definitely has real potential to be more than KCP/Brown but he needs to be unleashed in the starting lineup to get there, imo.
The Kings should try their best to trade Barnes & Huerter away for as much value as possible. They can be decent options off the bench for this team but the Kings need something new than those two.
Am I the only one that doesn't mind keeping the #13? The Kings get a rookie scale deal and a player that can help the Kings. Various players at this range can fill a lot of the holes (specifically, size & length, toughness).
What do you guys think?
I want to keep #13 unless there is a no brainer deal lined up. I don't mean Kuzma either.
The only thing I don't want to see if the Kings select @ #13 is another 6'3 guard selected. This team is far too small as it is. Get someone in that has serious length.
Below are the current mock drafts. Not 1 has the same player. Still early in the process so will be interesting to see who jumps and falls.
The Ringer (KOC): Devin Carter
Tankathon: Cody Williams
NBAdraft.net: Terrence Shannon
NBAdraftroom.com: Zach Edey
ESPN (Jonathan Givony/Jeremy Woo): Ja'Kobe Walter
Deadspin: Tidjane Salaun
I don't know why NBAdraft.net has Terrence Shannon there. No one has him going in the draft and the comments from NBAdraftroom.com at #105 are:Terrence is facing serious legal issues.
Seriously. Imo stop with this BPA stuff. This isn't a top 5 pick, at some point you need to build a team. All I heard with the davion pick was it was BPA, it messed with team chemistry and he had obvious limitations. We need to take some damn wings! Had we grabbed jognson or Murphy this team would have been in a whole different situation
Spot on. At some stage, you have to trust the development of your coaching staff. It's one of the reasons I don't mind getting a defensive type guy. We're seeing shooting development from guys more than we used to and IMO it's simply a sign of the times. More reps and players getting used to shooting a lot gets most guys to a respectable level.
Even this off season Rocco Zikarsky, who is 17 and 7-3 is putting a ton of work into his 3 point shot. BTW this kid is going to be a defensive beast. He is projected top 10 next year at this early stage.
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KF10 wrote:OxAndFox wrote:KF10 wrote:I pretty much agree with everyone here.
Committing a massive deal for Monk long-term would be bad moving forward. Monk brought joy and a positive infusion to the team but it will handicap the team moving forward, unfortunately.
Keon definitely has real potential to be more than KCP/Brown but he needs to be unleashed in the starting lineup to get there, imo.
The Kings should try their best to trade Barnes & Huerter away for as much value as possible. They can be decent options off the bench for this team but the Kings need something new than those two.
Am I the only one that doesn't mind keeping the #13? The Kings get a rookie scale deal and a player that can help the Kings. Various players at this range can fill a lot of the holes (specifically, size & length, toughness).
What do you guys think?
I want to keep #13 unless there is a no brainer deal lined up. I don't mean Kuzma either.
The only thing I don't want to see if the Kings select @ #13 is another 6'3 guard selected. This team is far too small as it is. Get someone in that has serious length.
Below are the current mock drafts. Not 1 has the same player. Still early in the process so will be interesting to see who jumps and falls.
The Ringer (KOC): Devin Carter
Tankathon: Cody Williams
NBAdraft.net: Terrence Shannon
NBAdraftroom.com: Zach Edey
ESPN (Jonathan Givony/Jeremy Woo): Ja'Kobe Walter
Deadspin: Tidjane Salaun
I don't know why NBAdraft.net has Terrence Shannon there. No one has him going in the draft and the comments from NBAdraftroom.com at #105 are:Terrence is facing serious legal issues.
We need a wing for sure at #13.
I can also be talked into drafting a C/big man.
It will be interesting who the Kings bring in for workouts.
Two of Ron Holland/Cody Williams/Kyshawn George/Tristan Da Silva should be available when the Kings pick.
Had to look twice at Da Silva with nbadraftroom.com having Keegan as a comp. He is an older guy too. So what are we even doing here? It's got Monte written all over it!
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Congrats Domas on the all nba team, now he needs more help (Fox needs to be better than an inconsistent inefficient player not performing at all in the clutch like the year before, and more team help - Keegan needs to be better/actually consistent on O and Huerter/Barnes oof). Really, everyone let him down besides Malik this year
And good to hear from Carmichael Dave that we aren't playing with coach Brown's deserved extension.
And good to hear from Carmichael Dave that we aren't playing with coach Brown's deserved extension.
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Not a very constructive thought, but it has been educational to watch both Luka and Halliburton having a profound effect in the later stages of these playoffs.
Sacto effectively decided that Fox was a better option than both. Time will tell, but Fox has to grow and show more consistency to repay that confidence.
I think it would be better long term for Malik to move on as he is not worth the premium over the MLE which he might command. He does have quite a few off nights and is not a good defensive player, and does not fit into a more structured offensive system which is needed for the play offs. Fox needs a big wing to support him, along with Keegan, which Barnes can no longer fulfill.
Sacto effectively decided that Fox was a better option than both. Time will tell, but Fox has to grow and show more consistency to repay that confidence.
I think it would be better long term for Malik to move on as he is not worth the premium over the MLE which he might command. He does have quite a few off nights and is not a good defensive player, and does not fit into a more structured offensive system which is needed for the play offs. Fox needs a big wing to support him, along with Keegan, which Barnes can no longer fulfill.
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Sabonis deserved his 3rd all team NBA selection. I wish he can expand his game and hit the 3PT shot with more frequency and accuracy. That would open up so many possibilities for this team.
Fox opened GREAT early in the season. Truly ALL NBA level performance night in, night out. Unfortunately, he had an awful stretch from January to mid/late February. He was able to stabilize himself afterwards to close the season though.
I would like more consistency from him. His poor FT% and overall dip in efficiency needs to be better next season.
Keegan needs to continue to improve. I like what I saw from him defensively. His 3PT% dipped this season, I would like to see him hover again in the 40%+ range and take a bigger role in the offense. Let this kid cook more.
Love Keon. I really want Brown to insert him in the starting lineup. Give the kid a chance.
I wouldn't mind bringing back Davion again. His 24-25 year is a team option. I like what I saw from him in the last 3 months of the season.
Lyles had a down year but he is still a decent bench option to have. I wouldn't mind looking to upgrade from him.
Len was good but not sure coach Brown feels the same way. For some reason, Len doesn't get much playing time under Brown.
Kind of hard to judge Sasha at this time. His minutes was all over the place last year. His injury didn't help out either. I would like to see him again next year.
The rest of Barnes, McGee, Duarte, Kessler & Huerter can go or be traded elsewhere.
Monk is a goner. I have already made peace with myself with this one.
The locks in the starting unit at this time:
Fox
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Keegan
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Sabonis
I imagine Keon gets the nod at the 2 spot. So, it looks like:
Fox
Keon
Keegan
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Sabonis
I like the Keon insertion since it helps decompress Fox's defensive stress load. It allows more FGA for Keegan. Keon is a seamless fit and low maintenance on offense.
There is a huge hole at PF. Who will the Kings fill at PF? That's the question the Kings should ask.
Fox opened GREAT early in the season. Truly ALL NBA level performance night in, night out. Unfortunately, he had an awful stretch from January to mid/late February. He was able to stabilize himself afterwards to close the season though.
I would like more consistency from him. His poor FT% and overall dip in efficiency needs to be better next season.
Keegan needs to continue to improve. I like what I saw from him defensively. His 3PT% dipped this season, I would like to see him hover again in the 40%+ range and take a bigger role in the offense. Let this kid cook more.
Love Keon. I really want Brown to insert him in the starting lineup. Give the kid a chance.
I wouldn't mind bringing back Davion again. His 24-25 year is a team option. I like what I saw from him in the last 3 months of the season.
Lyles had a down year but he is still a decent bench option to have. I wouldn't mind looking to upgrade from him.
Len was good but not sure coach Brown feels the same way. For some reason, Len doesn't get much playing time under Brown.
Kind of hard to judge Sasha at this time. His minutes was all over the place last year. His injury didn't help out either. I would like to see him again next year.
The rest of Barnes, McGee, Duarte, Kessler & Huerter can go or be traded elsewhere.
Monk is a goner. I have already made peace with myself with this one.
The locks in the starting unit at this time:
Fox
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Keegan
[. ]
Sabonis
I imagine Keon gets the nod at the 2 spot. So, it looks like:
Fox
Keon
Keegan
[. ]
Sabonis
I like the Keon insertion since it helps decompress Fox's defensive stress load. It allows more FGA for Keegan. Keon is a seamless fit and low maintenance on offense.
There is a huge hole at PF. Who will the Kings fill at PF? That's the question the Kings should ask.




