2024-25 General Thread

[codydaze]

Domas returning to practice? I think we all know the direction on the tank the org is stupidly taking

I think at this point, the tank is out of the question. There's an off chance Phoenix jumps us for the 9 and we fall to 10 but I put the chances at slim to none that both Phoenix and Dallas jump us, with or without Domas. That's a whole other reason Domas shouldn't be rushing back, just sit and be fully healthy for the play-in, these last 12 games are not going to mean much in terms of making or missing the play-in.

with our remaining schedule keeping domas and Malik out would fight for it imo

I highly doubt it. Phoenix has the hardest schedule remaining in the league and Dallas is 2-8 in their last 10. In all likelihood, they just shut AD down for the rest of the year. We would have to be truly awful to not finish in the top 10.

[OxAndFox]

At this point I don't mind if the org keeps doing what they want to re: competing. BUT I will say please, please, please don't trade any of the other teams' picks. Trade your own picks and bank on the others being better. If you actually have any semblance of confidence in your ability to build a winner, trade your own picks, not the others.

The Spurs pick is a tantalising one TBH, high variance, so don't trade it unless you get a superstar.
The TWolves pick is a huge pick to have. It's right in the middle of what a TWolves rebuild COULD look like.
On the draft pick asset value range the TWolves pick is A+ and if that goes out the door in this off season its disgusting.

[BoogieTime]

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Bring him home..

The Grizzlies have had no business with the records they've had with their talent on paper the last many years

I'm halfway on Doug.... I think the talent we have on paper is low level playoff, and the coach will come first if the team isnt performing to level before any tank and I know Vivek agrees

[LightTheBeam]

Read on Twitter

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Literally the definition if a disaster of a trade. Moved our best home grown talent to get older, more expensive, and the team is better when he doesn't play. It only gets worse.

[OxAndFox]

Lavine has been a massive disappointment so far. With the way the CBA is the Kings are in huge trouble.
You are now paying 2 guys more than $43m each that are at best #3 options on a PO team. Sabonis can do other things ie offensive hub, rebounder, solid 1-1 inside defender. Lavine can't so if he isn't shooting, what does he do?
But more to the point, this then makes coaches/FO that don't have any semblance of creativity to go and chase and then force an old #1 scoring option that has never done anything in the POs to be your #1 option on a team that most certainly has PO ambitions.
This in turn freezes out and stunts development of players such as Keegan, Keon, Monk, Huerter (when here) and eventually Carter.

[OxAndFox]

Ok. Hornets game is over even though it isn't.
Thought I would do an exercise for this game and count the number of defensive breakdowns by a player. This can be blow bys, not closing out, not getting in front of your man or defending the shot etc. Doesn't mean the oppo scores.

Sabonis 3 (26 mins)
Keegan 1 (25 mins)
DDR 12 (27 mins)
Lavine 7 (32 mins)
Keon 2 (22 mins)
Monk 4 (22 mins)
Lyles 2 (18 mins)
JV 1 (19 mins)

Just imagine if they weren't playing a G League team, or a team that was aggressive on the offensive end.

[OxAndFox]

Think the Kings board has a Peanut allergy.

[OxAndFox]

Welcome back Terrence Davis! Love watching him when he gets hot. Not going to lie, this is a move to make Lavine and DDR's boneheaded plays look good.

[OxAndFox]

For those wondering. He has been playing with Wisconsin in the G League. 14ppg with 40% from 3.
His last game was March 29.

[BoogieTime]

Welcome back Terrence Davis! Love watching him when he gets hot. Not going to lie, this is a move to make Lavine and DDR's boneheaded plays look good.

They are the talent of the team

Certainly not the dimensional role players who have no offensive gravity like Keegan and Keon

[BoogieTime]

Think the Kings board has a Peanut allergy.

I lift this guy off ignore for a second and see this? "Peanut" is this trolls way of trying to say "peanut brain" to try to annoy me, if your not paying attention, lol

your a flat troll who will be reported for the umpteenth time.. but the mod in here that has been handling the cases don't really seem to be limiting you at all

[BoogieTime]

Lavine has been a massive disappointment so far. With the way the CBA is the Kings are in huge trouble.
You are now paying 2 guys more than $43m each that are at best #3 options on a PO team. Sabonis can do other things ie offensive hub, rebounder, solid 1-1 inside defender. Lavine can't so if he isn't shooting, what does he do?
But more to the point, this then makes coaches/FO that don't have any semblance of creativity to go and chase and then force an old #1 scoring option that has never done anything in the POs to be your #1 option on a team that most certainly has PO ambitions.
This in turn freezes out and stunts development of players such as Keegan, Keon, Monk, Huerter (when here) and eventually Carter.

Keegan has been a massive disappointment so far. Picked 4th and he has zero offensive gravity. And the ball is meant to go through the hoop

Keon is a g league facsimile who you can pluck out of the free agent market/g league market and get 75% of

Those three will dictate Domas/Lavine/DDR if the team wins or loses. They may need better starting support, picks for win now

[BoogieTime]

At this point I don't mind if the org keeps doing what they want to re: competing. BUT I will say please, please, please don't trade any of the other teams' picks. Trade your own picks and bank on the others being better. If you actually have any semblance of confidence in your ability to build a winner, trade your own picks, not the others.

The Spurs pick is a tantalising one TBH, high variance, so don't trade it unless you get a superstar.
The TWolves pick is a huge pick to have. It's right in the middle of what a TWolves rebuild COULD look like.
On the draft pick asset value range the TWolves pick is A+ and if that goes out the door in this off season its disgusting.

The talent of the team - Domas/Lavine/DDR will be kept and added to. The coach will be the first up. Its a win now org. The one dimensional defensive role players dont sway the games, and Fox had not talent. If Christie has no talent, he will be gone

[BoogieTime]

Keon back to that offense we all love vrs the Clippers, and Keegan's meek presence...

DeRozan just isnt a fit with Domas...

[BoogieTime]

I still think you try to compete with Domas/Zach/Malik

But since Keon has been starting does anyone know if the guy has any floor game/individual offense to be a starter? And his defense hasn’t been as good either. Is Keegan what he is in terms of impact at his age? Which is, did he miss some games? To me

Maybe picks etc to get the main players some help

[codydaze]

Lavine has been a massive disappointment so far. With the way the CBA is the Kings are in huge trouble.
You are now paying 2 guys more than $43m each that are at best #3 options on a PO team. Sabonis can do other things ie offensive hub, rebounder, solid 1-1 inside defender. Lavine can't so if he isn't shooting, what does he do?
But more to the point, this then makes coaches/FO that don't have any semblance of creativity to go and chase and then force an old #1 scoring option that has never done anything in the POs to be your #1 option on a team that most certainly has PO ambitions.
This in turn freezes out and stunts development of players such as Keegan, Keon, Monk, Huerter (when here) and eventually Carter.

Keegan has been a massive disappointment so far. Picked 4th and he has zero offensive gravity. And the ball is meant to go through the hoop

Keon is a g league facsimile who you can pluck out of the free agent market/g league market and get 75% of

Those three will dictate Domas/Lavine/DDR if the team wins or loses. They may need better starting support, picks for win now

Dude, honestly just stop. If you wonder why posters don't seem to get along with you it's because of posts like this. I know if you had your way, everyone on the team would be scoring 20+ PPG on Steph-like efficiency but that is simply not how basketball works. I seriously cannot fathom how anyone can genuinely sit and watch a Kings basketball game and have the takeaway that Keon is the problem. Maybe it's the fact that Derozan and Lavine are simply not winning basketball players? You always threaten to make posts on the GB or TT board about getting the opinion of other fans on our players, why don't you ask about those two? These two were just leading the Bulls to Play-In games in the weaker Eastern Conference but you expect it can be better in the tougher West?

Player A:
9.1 Pts, 3.4 Reb, 1.5 Ast, 1.0 Stl, 0.9 Blk
43.2/41.5/79.4 splits on 58.0% TS%
3.2 BPM, 2.2 VORP, .122 WS/48

Player B:
8.3 Pts, 2.7 Reb, 1.5 Ast, 1.5 Stl, 0.8 Blk
48.9/43.7/84.9 splits on 66.5% TS%
1.9 BPM, 1.9 VORP, .121 WS/48

Player C:
10.8 Pts, 2.7 Reb, 2.4 Ast, 1.5 Stl, 0.5 Blk
46.2/42.3/82.4 splits on 59.8% TS%
-1.0 BPM, 0.6 VORP, .091 WS/48

Two of these were starting SGs on teams that won the NBA Finals and one of them is Keon. It's almost like there are things other than scoring that contribute to winning.

[BoogieTime]

Lavine has been a massive disappointment so far. With the way the CBA is the Kings are in huge trouble.
You are now paying 2 guys more than $43m each that are at best #3 options on a PO team. Sabonis can do other things ie offensive hub, rebounder, solid 1-1 inside defender. Lavine can't so if he isn't shooting, what does he do?
But more to the point, this then makes coaches/FO that don't have any semblance of creativity to go and chase and then force an old #1 scoring option that has never done anything in the POs to be your #1 option on a team that most certainly has PO ambitions.
This in turn freezes out and stunts development of players such as Keegan, Keon, Monk, Huerter (when here) and eventually Carter.

Keegan has been a massive disappointment so far. Picked 4th and he has zero offensive gravity. And the ball is meant to go through the hoop

Keon is a g league facsimile who you can pluck out of the free agent market/g league market and get 75% of

Those three will dictate Domas/Lavine/DDR if the team wins or loses. They may need better starting support, picks for win now

Dude, honestly just stop. If you wonder why posters don't seem to get along with you it's because of posts like this. I know if you had your way, everyone on the team would be scoring 20+ PPG on Steph-like efficiency but that is simply not how basketball works. I seriously cannot fathom how anyone can genuinely sit and watch a Kings basketball game and have the takeaway that Keon is the problem. Maybe it's the fact that Derozan and Lavine are simply not winning basketball players? You always threaten to make posts on the GB or TT board about getting the opinion of other fans on our players, why don't you ask about those two? These two were just leading the Bulls to Play-In games in the weaker Eastern Conference but you expect it can be better in the tougher West?

Player A:
9.1 Pts, 3.4 Reb, 1.5 Ast, 1.0 Stl, 0.9 Blk
43.2/41.5/79.4 splits on 58.0% TS%
3.2 BPM, 2.2 VORP, .122 WS/48

Player B:
8.3 Pts, 2.7 Reb, 1.5 Ast, 1.5 Stl, 0.8 Blk
48.9/43.7/84.9 splits on 66.5% TS%
1.9 BPM, 1.9 VORP, .121 WS/48

Player C:
10.8 Pts, 2.7 Reb, 2.4 Ast, 1.5 Stl, 0.5 Blk
46.2/42.3/82.4 splits on 59.8% TS%
-1.0 BPM, 0.6 VORP, .091 WS/48

Two of these were starting SGs on teams that won the NBA Finals and one of them is Keon. It's almost like there are things other than scoring that contribute to winning.

I don’t care if people don’t like me, I don’t care for the three of you, but it’s a basketball discussion. And your views are equally as annoying to me. I’ve told you privately how I personally feel about the moderation, and the steps I’ve taken to voice my concerns

It is how basketball works. Keon has no skills outside of slipping on ball defense, he’s a defender not a basketball player. He’s been worse as a starter. Scoring on Steph like efficiency is elite and why he was brought here. It’s more central and non replaceable to the team

Basically, in terms of basketball discussion, not having it anymore. Users will stay out of my space or I will be on theirs within the rules of the forum with discussion on the topics

[codydaze]

Keegan has been a massive disappointment so far. Picked 4th and he has zero offensive gravity. And the ball is meant to go through the hoop

Keon is a g league facsimile who you can pluck out of the free agent market/g league market and get 75% of

Those three will dictate Domas/Lavine/DDR if the team wins or loses. They may need better starting support, picks for win now

Dude, honestly just stop. If you wonder why posters don't seem to get along with you it's because of posts like this. I know if you had your way, everyone on the team would be scoring 20+ PPG on Steph-like efficiency but that is simply not how basketball works. I seriously cannot fathom how anyone can genuinely sit and watch a Kings basketball game and have the takeaway that Keon is the problem. Maybe it's the fact that Derozan and Lavine are simply not winning basketball players? You always threaten to make posts on the GB or TT board about getting the opinion of other fans on our players, why don't you ask about those two? These two were just leading the Bulls to Play-In games in the weaker Eastern Conference but you expect it can be better in the tougher West?

Player A:
9.1 Pts, 3.4 Reb, 1.5 Ast, 1.0 Stl, 0.9 Blk
43.2/41.5/79.4 splits on 58.0% TS%
3.2 BPM, 2.2 VORP, .122 WS/48

Player B:
8.3 Pts, 2.7 Reb, 1.5 Ast, 1.5 Stl, 0.8 Blk
48.9/43.7/84.9 splits on 66.5% TS%
1.9 BPM, 1.9 VORP, .121 WS/48

Player C:
10.8 Pts, 2.7 Reb, 2.4 Ast, 1.5 Stl, 0.5 Blk
46.2/42.3/82.4 splits on 59.8% TS%
-1.0 BPM, 0.6 VORP, .091 WS/48

Two of these were starting SGs on teams that won the NBA Finals and one of them is Keon. It's almost like there are things other than scoring that contribute to winning.

I don’t care if people don’t like me, I don’t care for the three of you, but it’s a basketball discussion. And your views are equally as annoying to me. I’ve told you privately how I personally feel about the moderation, and the steps I’ve taken to voice my concerns

It is how basketball works. Keon has no skills outside of slipping on ball defense, he’s a defender not a basketball player. He’s been worse as a starter. Scoring on Steph like efficiency is elite and why he was brought here. It’s more central and non replaceable to the team

Basically, in terms of basketball discussion, not having it anymore. Users will stay out of my space or I will be on theirs within the rules of the forum with discussion on the topics

I've addressed the name calling but like I said to you in private, these things go both ways. You do not debate in good faith, there is no world in which comparing Zach Lavine to Steph Curry is a good faith argument and I would like to think you know that's the truth. I've provided the data showing the lack of impact on winning Zach has despite his efficiency but you continue to cling to this notion that efficiency = winning on its own which is just simply not true. There is more to basketball than just being efficient, obviously it's good but if that were the only thing that mattered then maybe he would have made the playoffs more than once in his career.

I just gave you two examples of championship winning starting SGs and guess what, Keon has the best efficiency of all three of those guys. So again, you are 100% allowed to have different views on this board but if you don't argue in good faith and can't acknowledge when data is provided to refute those views then what do you expect of everyone else?

Edit: And I will add, for me it's not that I don't like you on a personal level. I can't speak for anyone else but I genuinely hope that's not the impression of me you have. We have differing views on things, that's fine. But how we reason our arguments on those differences is what matters.

[BoogieTime]

Dude, honestly just stop. If you wonder why posters don't seem to get along with you it's because of posts like this. I know if you had your way, everyone on the team would be scoring 20+ PPG on Steph-like efficiency but that is simply not how basketball works. I seriously cannot fathom how anyone can genuinely sit and watch a Kings basketball game and have the takeaway that Keon is the problem. Maybe it's the fact that Derozan and Lavine are simply not winning basketball players? You always threaten to make posts on the GB or TT board about getting the opinion of other fans on our players, why don't you ask about those two? These two were just leading the Bulls to Play-In games in the weaker Eastern Conference but you expect it can be better in the tougher West?

Player A:
9.1 Pts, 3.4 Reb, 1.5 Ast, 1.0 Stl, 0.9 Blk
43.2/41.5/79.4 splits on 58.0% TS%
3.2 BPM, 2.2 VORP, .122 WS/48

Player B:
8.3 Pts, 2.7 Reb, 1.5 Ast, 1.5 Stl, 0.8 Blk
48.9/43.7/84.9 splits on 66.5% TS%
1.9 BPM, 1.9 VORP, .121 WS/48

Player C:
10.8 Pts, 2.7 Reb, 2.4 Ast, 1.5 Stl, 0.5 Blk
46.2/42.3/82.4 splits on 59.8% TS%
-1.0 BPM, 0.6 VORP, .091 WS/48

Two of these were starting SGs on teams that won the NBA Finals and one of them is Keon. It's almost like there are things other than scoring that contribute to winning.

I don’t care if people don’t like me, I don’t care for the three of you, but it’s a basketball discussion. And your views are equally as annoying to me. I’ve told you privately how I personally feel about the moderation, and the steps I’ve taken to voice my concerns

It is how basketball works. Keon has no skills outside of slipping on ball defense, he’s a defender not a basketball player. He’s been worse as a starter. Scoring on Steph like efficiency is elite and why he was brought here. It’s more central and non replaceable to the team

Basically, in terms of basketball discussion, not having it anymore. Users will stay out of my space or I will be on theirs within the rules of the forum with discussion on the topics

I've addressed the name calling but like I said to you in private, these things go both ways. You do not debate in good faith, there is no world in which comparing Zach Lavine to Steph Curry is a good faith argument and I would like to think you know that's the truth. I've provided the data showing the lack of impact on winning Zach has despite his efficiency but you continue to cling to this notion that efficiency = winning on its own which is just simply not true. There is more to basketball than just being efficient, obviously it's good but if that were the only thing that mattered then maybe he would have made the playoffs more than once in his career.

I just gave you two examples of championship winning starting SGs and guess what, Keon has the best efficiency of all three of those guys. So again, you are 100% allowed to have different views on this board but if you don't argue in good faith and can't acknowledge when data is provided to refute those views then what do you expect of everyone else?

Edit: And I will add, for me it's not that I don't like you on a personal level. I can't speak for anyone else but I genuinely hope that's not the impression of me you have. We have differing views on things, that's fine. But how we reason our arguments on those differences is what matters.

There is a user acting as a troll (oxandfox) who deliberately has the purpose to stir the pot. He will say “peanut” for no reason, and otherwise act to annoy. That has to be noted and spotted and goes beyond discussion and will derail threads.

As for the discussion, Im not here to even debate, but to give my thoughts. I’d like to chill, and not really speak against any players on the team. But there are a couple users on the forum that have antagonistic notions (saying disrespectful things about players I support etc), and we can go either way here. They can stay on my ignore and we can move on, or they cannot and we can have continuous debate and I will be in their faces within the rules . One user (oxandfox) is choosing the latter

[SacFanArkansas]

Ok so here is my best offseason

We retain Doug Christie as a coach and he brings in Bobby J and includes a former head coach or coaches to bolster his staff (similar to what reddick did with lakers)

It is obvious that demar is best in a half court set up so try and trade him for a running 4/5 (might have to include a first if that player is an up and coming)

It is also clear that monk has not been the same since the fox trade.. see if you can move for a starting or backup solid pg or maybe a draft pick in 2025

Finally move on from McNair. Hire someone that you trust but who has a good relationship with Christie.

Other than that let’s see where everything else falls. Of Sabonis wants out then listen to offers but we need at a minimum an Allstar back and/or 2-3 solid first.. not giving him away but would consider a Flagg for Sabonis.. not going to happen but would consider