24-25 Trade Thread

[OGSactownballer]

McNair needed to be fired BEFORE the Fox trade so he couldn't do even more damage to this franchise. Unfortunately, our own is a full moron and has no idea what he's doing or who needs to be hired that does know what he's doing. This is an embarrassing return for Fox regardless if he was only willing to go to the Spurs. McNair is just in way over his head. This idiot thought replicating the Bulls of the past few seasons was a worthy goal. Hopefully we'll receive enough deserved scorn for this trade that Vivek fires McNair before he can do even MORE damage but don't hold your breath. This is our plight as King's fans. Watch our team act as as farm system for other teams. Watch our idiot owners make awful hire after awful hire to keep us a laughingstock of the NBA. If Flagg gets drafted by the Wizards I'll adopt them as my team going forward since they have a competent young F.O., compelling young talent and will deserve more fans. I won't support this team any longer and won't even bother watching since it's pointless. I won't return until McNair is gone. Enough is enough.

Dude you just don’t get it.

This is ALL Vivek.

I got a warning so I can’t be straight about exactly why he is and ALWAYS WILL BE the downfall of this team. PM me if you want it.

But don’t blame Monte for being the latest guy to take the fall for an idiot owner. He controls this garbage through his boy a Wilcox who is his eyes and ears and control. Vivek has had a glaring hard on for Lavine for YEARS. Just like his love for Buddy. He will constantly RUIN this franchise.

I have tickets for ONE game this year. Ironically Chicago. I will literally NEVER buy a ticket or a piece of merchandise until he sells to a competent American owner. He is a bane and any scant goodwill he had for “saving the franchise” is long lost.
He needs to sell the team before we hunt him down.

[OGSactownballer]

So uhhh.. ya this sucks.

I mean lavine having an absolute insane season and I kind of love his fit with monk-sabonis. But man, even if we got our 31 1st instead of the Charlotte pick. We couldn't even do that.

I think this can still be salvaged.

Demar + spurs pick + Charlotte pick for cam johnson
McDermott or lyles + 4 2nds (using tpe) for toppin.

Monk/Carter
Lavine/Keon
Johnson
Keegan/toppin
Sabonis/lyles/Isaac jones

We still avoid the tax. But that's actually a team that makes sense. Add 2 premier 3pt shooters to a monk/sabonis squad. Space the floor, run run run

Come on.

Even crediting Monte for having the brains you and I have to do this, Vivek will never allow it because it doesn’t fit his f&$@ed up Warriors 2.0 image.

[jeffjtk1234]

Lavine 2 firsts and 5 seconds for Fox is a good deal not sure what y’all are complaining about. We cleared a ton of space too. I fail to see how this is a bad deal.


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The current kings organization doesn’t have a good track record with 2nd round picks. One of those first is far from now. Spurs had better picks and young talent and they were able to keep all of it.

None of that changes the fact that we got good value as is


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[LightTheBeam]

So uhhh.. ya this sucks.

I mean lavine having an absolute insane season and I kind of love his fit with monk-sabonis. But man, even if we got our 31 1st instead of the Charlotte pick. We couldn't even do that.

I think this can still be salvaged.

Demar + spurs pick + Charlotte pick for cam johnson
McDermott or lyles + 4 2nds (using tpe) for toppin.

Monk/Carter
Lavine/Keon
Johnson
Keegan/toppin
Sabonis/lyles/Isaac jones

We still avoid the tax. But that's actually a team that makes sense. Add 2 premier 3pt shooters to a monk/sabonis squad. Space the floor, run run run

Come on.

Even crediting Aminta for having the brains you and I have to do this, Vivek will never allow it because it doesn’t fit his f&$@ed up Warriors 2.0 image.

I think it does though.
Toppin has been a 38% 3pt shooter with indy
Johnson 40s
Keegan shooting well again
Keon 40s
Lavine 40s

I think thats a fast paced team that likes to shoot. You build around monk/sabonis pnr, lavine can get you 20-25, and the rest of the guys shoot and play defense.

Id actually be happy with that roster.

If you told me we turn fox, huerter, demar into lavine, cam, toppin I would have taken in with a smile.

But I don't trust monte even knowing he's about to be fired to have the balls to make these moves.

[OxAndFox]

Any way you slice it, this is a horrible return for Fox.

I will give Lavine a chance, but boy oh boy this could turn into a really crap team to watch. Lucky Monk and Sabonis is there and Keegan and Keon on the defensive end.

[BoogieTime]

Any way you slice it, this is a horrible return for Fox.

I will give Lavine a chance, but boy oh boy this could turn into a really crap team to watch. Lucky Monk and Sabonis is there and Keegan and Keon on the defensive end.

Lavine is having a better year and is arguably better than Fox who won’t spread bad energy to the team, with additional ammo for two more very solid role players with the firsts and good seconds

That slice is fine

[FarBeyondDriven]

Any way you slice it, this is a horrible return for Fox.

I will give Lavine a chance, but boy oh boy this could turn into a really crap team to watch. Lucky Monk and Sabonis is there and Keegan and Keon on the defensive end.

Lavine is having a better year and is arguably better than Fox who won’t spread bad energy to the team, with additional ammo for two more very solid role players with the firsts and good seconds

That slice is fine

great, let's have this buffoon McNair trade away all the first rounders while he's at it just so we can remain pretenders in perpetuity. Nothing has changed one iota, talent wise, since last year. Still the same amount of talent overall. Still the exact same major glaring flaws. Still zero needs met.

[BoogieTime]

Any way you slice it, this is a horrible return for Fox.

I will give Lavine a chance, but boy oh boy this could turn into a really crap team to watch. Lucky Monk and Sabonis is there and Keegan and Keon on the defensive end.

Lavine is having a better year and is arguably better than Fox who won’t spread bad energy to the team, with additional ammo for two more very solid role players with the firsts and good seconds

That slice is fine

great, let's have this buffoon McNair trade away all the first rounders while he's at it just so we can remain pretenders in perpetuity. Nothing has changed one iota, talent wise, since last year. Still the same amount of talent overall. Still the exact same major glaring flaws. Still zero needs met.

Were you expecting a rebuild when the franchise has tried to compete for years and has a veteran core? lol.

Trading Fox was always for win now talent?

As for the need for other positions deadline isn’t over. I can see wanting a forward instead of another guard and letting Keon start but do you see anyone out there who is a forward of Lavine talent available like this?

[OxAndFox]

Any way you slice it, this is a horrible return for Fox.

I will give Lavine a chance, but boy oh boy this could turn into a really crap team to watch. Lucky Monk and Sabonis is there and Keegan and Keon on the defensive end.

Lavine is having a better year and is arguably better than Fox who won’t spread bad energy to the team, with additional ammo for two more very solid role players with the firsts and good seconds

That slice is fine

great, let's have this buffoon McNair trade away all the first rounders while he's at it just so we can remain pretenders in perpetuity. Nothing has changed one iota, talent wise, since last year. Still the same amount of talent overall. Still the exact same major glaring flaws. Still zero needs met.

Not only that, the Kings FO (or Vivek) has turned the Kings into the 2022-23 Chicago Bulls. Wonder how long it will take for DDR and Lavine to play who's shot is it next.
As I mentioned, I will give Lavine a chance, but DDR needs to be off this team right now for a starting caliber 4.

They need to keep that Minn 1st in the back pocket for a while too. See how things shake out.
First rounders aren't going to be flipped around as much as they were even only a year ago, so if Monte uses that Spurs picks and any more of the Kings' picks it must be for a tremendous upgrade.

Oh, and you know what the worst part of it all is, he didn't even get his own pick swap back. Truly horrific.

It actually wreaks of the Kings pulling the trigger as soon as the Doncic trade broke to try and avoid embarrassment.

[OxAndFox]

Lavine is having a better year and is arguably better than Fox who won’t spread bad energy to the team, with additional ammo for two more very solid role players with the firsts and good seconds

That slice is fine

great, let's have this buffoon McNair trade away all the first rounders while he's at it just so we can remain pretenders in perpetuity. Nothing has changed one iota, talent wise, since last year. Still the same amount of talent overall. Still the exact same major glaring flaws. Still zero needs met.

Were you expecting a rebuild when the franchise has tried to compete for years and has a veteran core? lol.

Trading Fox was always for win now talent?

As for the need for other positions deadline isn’t over. I can see wanting a forward instead of another guard and letting Keon start but do you see anyone out there who is a forward of Lavine talent available like this?

Julius Randle.

[OxAndFox]

And you know how you can tell this was Vivek and not Monte?
The GM has said time and time and time again he makes moves to keep flexibility etc, etc.

So the flexibility was for Lavine? GTFOH
Good player, don't get me wrong, but one of the worst contracts in the NBA due to him being made of glass.

[BoogieTime]

Those good seconds we got might be the Cam Johnson bridge..

Certainly not giving up two firsts for him, but Charlotte's second rounder in addition to a first?

[bibby1023]

No chance Lavine plays tonight, right?

[OGSactownballer]

So uhhh.. ya this sucks.

I mean lavine having an absolute insane season and I kind of love his fit with monk-sabonis. But man, even if we got our 31 1st instead of the Charlotte pick. We couldn't even do that.

I think this can still be salvaged.

Demar + spurs pick + Charlotte pick for cam johnson
McDermott or lyles + 4 2nds (using tpe) for toppin.

Monk/Carter
Lavine/Keon
Johnson
Keegan/toppin
Sabonis/lyles/Isaac jones

We still avoid the tax. But that's actually a team that makes sense. Add 2 premier 3pt shooters to a monk/sabonis squad. Space the floor, run run run

Come on.

Even crediting Aminta for having the brains you and I have to do this, Vivek will never allow it because it doesn’t fit his f&$@ed up Warriors 2.0 image.

I think it does though.
Toppin has been a 38% 3pt shooter with indy
Johnson 40s
Keegan shooting well again
Keon 40s
Lavine 40s

I think thats a fast paced team that likes to shoot. You build around monk/sabonis pnr, lavine can get you 20-25, and the rest of the guys shoot and play defense.

Id actually be happy with that roster.

If you told me we turn fox, huerter, demar into lavine, cam, toppin I would have taken in with a smile.

But I don't trust monte even knowing he's about to be fired to have the balls to make these moves.

I am going to keeping saying this until he sells and crawls back under his rock he came from.

It Vivek who is THE problem. Don’t fall for his BS of setting up the “GM” to take his fall. It’s ALL Vivek.

[OGSactownballer]

And you know how you can tell this was Vivek and not Monte?
The GM has said time and time and time again he makes moves to keep flexibility etc, etc.

So the flexibility was for Lavine? GTFOH
Good player, don't get me wrong, but one of the worst contracts in the NBA due to him being made of glass.

Excellent proof in the pudding point!!!

Everyone in Sac knows the guys that Vivek has a man crush on. Lavine is the top of that list.

There’s no way I can see Monte - who learned from Darryl Morey - sitting there and saying “well I really need a PF and a wing so how about I go grab Zach Levine at a trade net loss deal with half assed picks?”

He’s made too many shrewd and underrated moves to not believe that he is handcuffed and being directed.

[OGSactownballer]

I don’t know about Cam, Collins or Obi.

What I can see clearly is that we can grab Val to beef up the C spot or be able to go two big against the bigger teams.

Two seconds (lesser if possible) and take back Val into one of the smaller TPE’s. Probably bright at deadline deal.

Solves some of the size problem.

[SirKaiser]

Bulls fan here and even though I hate the trade from my side (even if it's somewhat understandable), I think the Kings won this trade.

Could you have gotten more for Fox? I'm banging my head asking the same question about Lavine. If we're comparing Lavine and Fox here, I think you are getting the more dynamic player who will only thrive better with your role players than he did this year with the Bulls. That is of course if he stays healthy.

The only real downfall could be the same issue when Lonzo Ball went down a couple of years ago. Will you guys have a guard who can be the glue that keeps all of the offensive weapons playing in harmony? Who is that guy going to be? It doesn't seem like Fox was a great facilitator in that regard.

[OxAndFox]

Bulls fan here and even though I hate the trade from my side (even if it's somewhat understandable), I think the Kings won this trade.

Could you have gotten more for Fox? I'm banging my head asking the same question about Lavine. If we're comparing Lavine and Fox here, I think you are getting the more dynamic player who will only thrive better with your role players than he did this year with the Bulls. That is of course if he stays healthy.

The only real downfall could be the same issue when Lonzo Ball went down a couple of years ago. Will you guys have a guard who can be the glue that keeps all of the offensive weapons playing in harmony? Who is that guy going to be? It doesn't seem like Fox was a great facilitator in that regard.

I agree about Lavine as a dynamic player, however IMO DDR needs to go. It just doesn't make sense for this team. And I will say, we bought Lavine at his high, definitely not a buy low scenario.

[OxAndFox]

And you know how you can tell this was Vivek and not Monte?
The GM has said time and time and time again he makes moves to keep flexibility etc, etc.

So the flexibility was for Lavine? GTFOH
Good player, don't get me wrong, but one of the worst contracts in the NBA due to him being made of glass.

Excellent proof in the pudding point!!!

Everyone in Sac knows the guys that Vivek has a man crush on. Lavine is the top of that list.

There’s no way I can see Monte - who learned from Darryl Morey - sitting there and saying “well I really need a PF and a wing so how about I go grab Zach Levine at a trade net loss deal with half assed picks?”

He’s made too many shrewd and underrated moves to not believe that he is handcuffed and being directed.

Well. Expect Kuzma to be a King by deadline day.

This is going to be frustrating. Just keep piling on offense only guys to further push Keegan down the food chain. I hope he asks for a trade in the off season.

[LightTheBeam]

Come on.

Even crediting Aminta for having the brains you and I have to do this, Vivek will never allow it because it doesn’t fit his f&$@ed up Warriors 2.0 image.

I think it does though.
Toppin has been a 38% 3pt shooter with indy
Johnson 40s
Keegan shooting well again
Keon 40s
Lavine 40s

I think thats a fast paced team that likes to shoot. You build around monk/sabonis pnr, lavine can get you 20-25, and the rest of the guys shoot and play defense.

Id actually be happy with that roster.

If you told me we turn fox, huerter, demar into lavine, cam, toppin I would have taken in with a smile.

But I don't trust monte even knowing he's about to be fired to have the balls to make these moves.

I am going to keeping saying this until he sells and crawls back under his rock he came from.

It Vivek who is THE problem. Don’t fall for his BS of setting up the “GM” to take his fall. It’s ALL Vivek.

Vivek is trash. I don't forgive him for any of this tough.

Losing Fox 100% falls onto Vivek. He didn't want to max him, and he didn't want to spend into the tax to improve the team.

But at the same time, plenty of teams operate within the confines of a certain salary restriction. Clippers, Houston, OKC, Spurs, Pacers, Memphis all able to add pieces without being a tax paying team. That falls on Monte. Hanging onto Barnes/Huerter/Mitchell too long, continuing to draft small guards instead of any semblance of size. Tying up multiple years of being able to trade a pick on Huerter. Wasting 2nds like candy.

He is not blameless in any of this man.

I agree it starts at the top, but that extends to Monte/Wilcox.