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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#521 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:26 pm

City of Trees wrote:If im forced to choose between Parker and Hezonja, give me Parker.

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Again, I was down with Hezonja if Doncic were the pick. I view him more as a stretch 4, and a potentially nightmarish one in face up situations. Parker I think has a chance to be a small ball 4/5 which would make him a better fit with the Kings since he can also play some 3. Hezonja can play some 3 also but I'd rather see Bogdan get those minutes honestly. Parker having the bulk and strength to guard bigs in the post gives him the edge.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#522 » by OhioKingsFan » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:26 pm

I love the news that the Kings are looking at Jabari and Hezonja in Free Agency. I'm not really in love with next summer's Free Agency class, and don't see many great fits for the Kings. As such, I'm still firmly in the "use cap space now" camp to improve the team's talent pool.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Kings do something like stretch Shump to create cap space to sign BOTH Hezonja and Jabari Parker. Heck, send WCS to MIL in a S&T for Jabari. The Kings would still have plenty of financial flexibility with over $30M in cap space next summer (and few real difference makers to realistically target).
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#523 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:31 pm

OhioKingsFan wrote:I love the news that the Kings are looking at Jabari and Hezonja in Free Agency. I'm not really in love with next summer's Free Agency class, and don't see many great fits for the Kings. As such, I'm still firmly in the "use cap space now" camp to improve the team's talent pool.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Kings do something like stretch Shump to create cap space to sign BOTH Hezonja and Jabari Parker. Heck, send WCS to MIL in a S&T for Jabari. The Kings would still have plenty of financial flexibility with over $30M in cap space next summer (and few real difference makers to realistically target).



Then immediately trade Justin Jackson and hope Buddy and Bogdan don't gobble up each other fighting for the same minutes. Signing both is overkill. Overkill is the problem the Kings have had for a few years now. I would hope that the Hill signing after just drafting your PG of the future was a lesson learned about stacking needlessly. If you can't realistically create a situation for all of your prime talent to succeed simultaneously then you are better off standing pat. I mean unless we're talking superstars of course, but we're not.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#524 » by OhioKingsFan » Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:29 am

I don't think overkill has been the problem. The problem has been lack of talent. I also wouldn't mind having few minutes for JJ next season, there will be plenty the year after that.

All I'm saying is that this summer the Kings are one of the few teams that have cap space, and there appear to be decent players that might be attainable. I would try to take advantage of it now because I don't think conditions will be as favorable next summer.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#525 » by GimmeDat » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:33 pm

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Post#526 » by kalenclayton » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:02 pm

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Hope you guys don't bid, for our sake and yours.

I agree, but who the heck is Vincent Goodwill and why would he “know” that Sac like Lavine? It just doesn’t smell right. It sounds like a rumor he heard, but not from an actual source.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#527 » by Truebiscuit » Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:50 pm

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GimmeDat wrote:
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Hope you guys don't bid, for our sake and yours.

I agree, but who the heck is Vincent Goodwill and why would he “know” that Sac like Lavine? It just doesn’t smell right. It sounds like a rumor he heard, but not from an actual source.


Our other beat writer confirmed that there is interest from at least one team in the Western Conference that is prepared to make a "substantial" offer to Zach LaVine. He said he didn't have the team yet, but he will soon. Goodwill said it was Sacramento.

Curious to see how this unfolds...
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#528 » by codydaze » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:37 pm

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kalenclayton wrote:
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Hope you guys don't bid, for our sake and yours.

I agree, but who the heck is Vincent Goodwill and why would he “know” that Sac like Lavine? It just doesn’t smell right. It sounds like a rumor he heard, but not from an actual source.


Our other beat writer confirmed that there is interest from at least one team in the Western Conference that is prepared to make a "substantial" offer to Zach LaVine. He said he didn't have the team yet, but he will soon. Goodwill said it was Sacramento.

Curious to see how this unfolds...


That's interesting but I don't see how Lavine would fit on our squad at all. We already don't have enough minutes to go around at the 2. Unless they Lavine as capable of playing the 3 then I don't buy it.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#529 » by Truebiscuit » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:45 pm

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kalenclayton wrote:I agree, but who the heck is Vincent Goodwill and why would he “know” that Sac like Lavine? It just doesn’t smell right. It sounds like a rumor he heard, but not from an actual source.


Our other beat writer confirmed that there is interest from at least one team in the Western Conference that is prepared to make a "substantial" offer to Zach LaVine. He said he didn't have the team yet, but he will soon. Goodwill said it was Sacramento.

Curious to see how this unfolds...


That's interesting but I don't see how Lavine would fit on our squad at all. We already don't have enough minutes to go around at the 2. Unless they Lavine as capable of playing the 3 then I don't buy it.


Should be interesting... I am a fan of the kid (just turned 23) but he's got work to do on both sides of the floor.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#530 » by kalenclayton » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:02 pm

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Our other beat writer confirmed that there is interest from at least one team in the Western Conference that is prepared to make a "substantial" offer to Zach LaVine. He said he didn't have the team yet, but he will soon. Goodwill said it was Sacramento.

Curious to see how this unfolds...


That's interesting but I don't see how Lavine would fit on our squad at all. We already don't have enough minutes to go around at the 2. Unless they Lavine as capable of playing the 3 then I don't buy it.


Should be interesting... I am a fan of the kid (just turned 23) but he's got work to do on both sides of the floor.

It just seems so weird. I wonder if it’s Lavine’s agent using “Sac interest” to drive up Lavine’s price to the Bulls. Sac has been used for leverage before. If not, then I think the interest is misguided. Vlade seems to love SGs and Cs too much. He passes the other positions too much. If he is truly interested in Lavine, then I see a trade involving Buddy or Bogi happening. That’s the only thing that makes sense.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#531 » by Truebiscuit » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:07 pm

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That's interesting but I don't see how Lavine would fit on our squad at all. We already don't have enough minutes to go around at the 2. Unless they Lavine as capable of playing the 3 then I don't buy it.


Should be interesting... I am a fan of the kid (just turned 23) but he's got work to do on both sides of the floor.

It just seems so weird. I wonder if it’s Lavine’s agent using “Sac interest” to drive up Lavine’s price to the Bulls. Sac has been used for leverage before. If not, then I think the interest is misguided. Vlade seems to love SGs and Cs too much. He passes the other positions too much. If he is truly interested in Lavine, then I see a trade involving Buddy or Bogi happening. That’s the only thing that makes sense.


It is odd... you have Hield under contract for the next 3 seasons for cheap.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#532 » by kalenclayton » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:15 pm

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Should be interesting... I am a fan of the kid (just turned 23) but he's got work to do on both sides of the floor.

It just seems so weird. I wonder if it’s Lavine’s agent using “Sac interest” to drive up Lavine’s price to the Bulls. Sac has been used for leverage before. If not, then I think the interest is misguided. Vlade seems to love SGs and Cs too much. He passes the other positions too much. If he is truly interested in Lavine, then I see a trade involving Buddy or Bogi happening. That’s the only thing that makes sense.


It is odd... you have Hield under contract for the next 3 seasons for cheap.

I honestly think Hield is a more valuable player than Lavine as well. This may be preference and homerism talking, but I just think he’s more valuable to today’s game. He’s already one of the best spot up shooters in the NBA. He doesn’t necessarily need the ball to be effective either, as he makes the correct reads consistently and a defender always has to watch and follow him. Lavine is a really good player and I still have high hopes for him. I just think his propensity to need the ball and his reliance on athleticism make him a less valuable player in today’s NBA. I hope I’m wrong though. Maybe I’ve just seen the wrong tape on him.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#533 » by Truebiscuit » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:25 pm

kalenclayton wrote:
Truebiscuit wrote:
kalenclayton wrote:It just seems so weird. I wonder if it’s Lavine’s agent using “Sac interest” to drive up Lavine’s price to the Bulls. Sac has been used for leverage before. If not, then I think the interest is misguided. Vlade seems to love SGs and Cs too much. He passes the other positions too much. If he is truly interested in Lavine, then I see a trade involving Buddy or Bogi happening. That’s the only thing that makes sense.


It is odd... you have Hield under contract for the next 3 seasons for cheap.

I honestly think Hield is a more valuable player than Lavine as well. This may be preference and homerism talking, but I just think he’s more valuable to today’s game. He’s already one of the best spot up shooters in the NBA. He doesn’t necessarily need the ball to be effective either, as he makes the correct reads consistently and a defender always has to watch and follow him. Lavine is a really good player and I still have high hopes for him. I just think his propensity to need the ball and his reliance on athleticism make him a less valuable player in today’s NBA. I hope I’m wrong though. Maybe I’ve just seen the wrong tape on him.


He has all the athleticism and talent in the world, I love his shot, but his IQ on both ends of the floor need work. If he can even become an average defender I'd be thrilled -- that's how bad he's been thus far in his career. I don't know if he's dumb, or basketball dumb (or both?) but the light bulb needs to turn on for him.

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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#534 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:36 pm

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Hope you guys don't bid, for our sake and yours.



Just a warning but the Kings have had a bit of fun messing with teams. They sent out a little revenge to the Warriors and jacked up the price on Iggy.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#535 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:38 pm

codydaze wrote:
Truebiscuit wrote:
kalenclayton wrote:I agree, but who the heck is Vincent Goodwill and why would he “know” that Sac like Lavine? It just doesn’t smell right. It sounds like a rumor he heard, but not from an actual source.


Our other beat writer confirmed that there is interest from at least one team in the Western Conference that is prepared to make a "substantial" offer to Zach LaVine. He said he didn't have the team yet, but he will soon. Goodwill said it was Sacramento.

Curious to see how this unfolds...


That's interesting but I don't see how Lavine would fit on our squad at all. We already don't have enough minutes to go around at the 2. Unless they Lavine as capable of playing the 3 then I don't buy it.



I just don't get it. They have a terrific combination of Hield and Bogdan, why mess with that?
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#536 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:43 pm

kalenclayton wrote:
Truebiscuit wrote:
kalenclayton wrote:It just seems so weird. I wonder if it’s Lavine’s agent using “Sac interest” to drive up Lavine’s price to the Bulls. Sac has been used for leverage before. If not, then I think the interest is misguided. Vlade seems to love SGs and Cs too much. He passes the other positions too much. If he is truly interested in Lavine, then I see a trade involving Buddy or Bogi happening. That’s the only thing that makes sense.


It is odd... you have Hield under contract for the next 3 seasons for cheap.

I honestly think Hield is a more valuable player than Lavine as well. This may be preference and homerism talking, but I just think he’s more valuable to today’s game. He’s already one of the best spot up shooters in the NBA. He doesn’t necessarily need the ball to be effective either, as he makes the correct reads consistently and a defender always has to watch and follow him. Lavine is a really good player and I still have high hopes for him. I just think his propensity to need the ball and his reliance on athleticism make him a less valuable player in today’s NBA. I hope I’m wrong though. Maybe I’ve just seen the wrong tape on him.


Lavine has some advantages over Hield, but if they think they are getting a major upgrade over Hield or Bogdan, they'd be wrong. I think if Lavine were in a role to be like the top option for his team he'd produce, but that won't happen in Sacramento.

I look at it this way. With the Kings signings the last few years it's very easy for agents to use Sacramento for leverage because they could conceivably look to sign just about anybody since in the past they have.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#537 » by Castor_Troy » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:37 pm

Guys, this has gotta be a smoke screen put out there by Vlade to keep other teams from sniffing around Super Mario! We all know Vlade loves Euro's and we have a big whole at the 3. I mean how often does a chance like this come around where Vlade can pick up a young talented Euro wing and help fill a big hole on the team? I mean it makes too much sense for us not to pick Mario up, right? :wink:
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Post#538 » by kalenclayton » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:48 pm

Castor_Troy wrote:Guys, this has gotta be a smoke screen put out there by Vlade to keep other teams from sniffing around Super Mario! We all know Vlade loves Euro's and we have a big whole at the 3. I mean how often does a chance like this come around where Vlade can pick up a young talented Euro wing and help fill a big hole on the team? I mean it makes too much sense for us not to pick Mario up, right? :wink:

Didn’t it make “too much sense” to draft that “young talented Euro wing” in the draft this offseason? I don’t think anyone but Vlade knows what Vlade is doing or what makes sense to Vlade.

I think people’s perception of Hezonja is way too high. He may be a good bench role player moving forward, but people are acting like he will slot in as our starting 3 if we got him. I just don’t see it.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#539 » by kingjawn100 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:51 pm

The real question is can Levine play the 3. At 6'5" 208lbs that's pretty small but you've got to also remember we're probably gonna be starting 2 center-sized players where most of the league has gone small. And Garrett Temple, who played a ton of 3 for us last year, is just 1 inch taller and 13 pounds lighter than Lavine.

Lavine's actually a better shooter than Hezonja and is a lot better at creating his own shot. Fox-Bogi-Lavine-Bagley-WCS would easily be the most athletic starting 5 in the league. If you sign Lavine i guess you hope Temple opts in so you can play him when some of the better offensive small forwards (lebron, pg etc) come to town.

Would be exciting if nothing else.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#540 » by Castor_Troy » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:54 pm

kalenclayton wrote:
Castor_Troy wrote:Guys, this has gotta be a smoke screen put out there by Vlade to keep other teams from sniffing around Super Mario! We all know Vlade loves Euro's and we have a big whole at the 3. I mean how often does a chance like this come around where Vlade can pick up a young talented Euro wing and help fill a big hole on the team? I mean it makes too much sense for us not to pick Mario up, right? :wink:

Didn’t it make “too much sense” to draft that “young talented Euro wing” in the draft this offseason? I don’t think anyone but Vlade knows what Vlade is doing or what makes sense to Vlade.

I think people’s perception of Hezonja is way too high. He may be a good bench role player moving forward, but people are acting like he will slot in as our starting 3 if we got him. I just don’t see it.


Oh he would/will start at 3 for sure!!! Put it in the book and send him to the line! :nod:

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