Kings Off-Season

[codydaze]

Stretch Iman

The Kings have to at some point be free of their dead cap space. Barnes comes off the books next year finally. I guess there are ways for them to get back into the FA market but if they sign someone to a big contract and have to put millions in dead cap on in the process that does nothing but hamper their chances of adjusting over the next few years as these rookies have to start being re-signed.

This is the summer they won’t have league wide competition due to teams with cap, important for this team

Stretching Iman means a hit for two years after this right before Fox comes up

They’d do it only if they had a deal in hand - I’m looking at you Capela/Nurkic

I don't see how adding Capela or Nurkic to this team would be beneficial to anyone. If Luka was the pick I could see it but our front court is way too crowded to add either of those guys in my opinion.

[kingjawn100]

Temple 6'6" 195lbs 35.7 career 3pt%
Shumpert 6'5" 220lbs 33.8 career 3pt%
Lavine 6'5" 208lbs 37.3 career 3pt%
Bogi 6'6" 205lbs 39.2 career 3pt%

it's strange that the perception is that Shumpert, Lavine, and Bogi all wouldn't work as a starting 3 for us because of their lack of size. They are all nearly as big, if not bigger than Temple who for the most part was our starting 3 last year.

[kalenclayton]

Temple 6'6" 195lbs 35.7 career 3pt%
Shumpert 6'5" 220lbs 33.8 career 3pt%
Lavine 6'5" 208lbs 37.3 career 3pt%
Bogi 6'6" 205lbs 39.2 career 3pt%

it's strange that the perception is that Shumpert, Lavine, and Bogi all wouldn't work as a starting 3 for us because of their lack of size. They are all nearly as big, if not bigger than Temple who for the most part was our starting 3 last year.

Temple is a better defender than Lavine and Bogi though. Shumpert could be a better perimeter defender if he wanted to. It doesn’t matter that Lavine has close to their size. He’s just not a good defender.

[kingjawn100]

Temple 6'6" 195lbs 35.7 career 3pt%
Shumpert 6'5" 220lbs 33.8 career 3pt%
Lavine 6'5" 208lbs 37.3 career 3pt%
Bogi 6'6" 205lbs 39.2 career 3pt%

it's strange that the perception is that Shumpert, Lavine, and Bogi all wouldn't work as a starting 3 for us because of their lack of size. They are all nearly as big, if not bigger than Temple who for the most part was our starting 3 last year.

Temple is a better defender than Lavine and Bogi though. Shumpert could be a better perimeter defender if he wanted to. It doesn’t matter that Lavine has close to their size. He’s just not a good defender.

True Temple's definitely a better defender...but on the other hand did his defense really keep us in any games last year? (27 win team) The hope is Lavine could help us outscore other teams with a lot of 120-115 finals. For a team that ranked dead last in the nba in scoring last year ill take all the offense we can find.

[kingjawn100]

I haven't really seen this brought up but does Harry project at all as a rim protector? 17 blocks in 26 games at duke leads me to think no, but per 40 minutes his blocked shots were pretty decent. Not sure if he was known at all as a rim protector in high school.

[SactownHrtBrks8]

I haven't really seen this brought up but does Harry project at all as a rim protector? 17 blocks in 26 games at duke leads me to think no, but per 40 minutes his blocked shots were pretty decent. Not sure if he was known at all as a rim protector in high school.

I am taking his year at Duke with a grain of salt. Hopefully his health and athleticism is back to to where he was in high school. He spent an entire year with getting stronger

[BoogieTime]

The Kings have to at some point be free of their dead cap space. Barnes comes off the books next year finally. I guess there are ways for them to get back into the FA market but if they sign someone to a big contract and have to put millions in dead cap on in the process that does nothing but hamper their chances of adjusting over the next few years as these rookies have to start being re-signed.

This is the summer they won’t have league wide competition due to teams with cap, important for this team

Stretching Iman means a hit for two years after this right before Fox comes up

They’d do it only if they had a deal in hand - I’m looking at you Capela/Nurkic

I don't see how adding Capela or Nurkic to this team would be beneficial to anyone. If Luka was the pick I could see it but our front court is way too crowded to add either of those guys in my opinion.

We’re a lot more crowded at SG, yet the conversation, because of some Bulls beat writer, is adding another one when there is a quality one who needs to find himself in the starting lineup as is, in Buddy

2 quality SGs, 0 proven quality centers

WCS is toast, Skal didn’t solidify himself in the teams plans, and going forward at this point you have Bagley and the mystery of Giles. Giles may or may not be relied on for such a role.

But qualitatively the best players on the market within the Kings reach are centers. LaVine was plain bad post injury, Parker an injury risk and Hezonja, who I like, just a prospect. There are proven good players in reach at center

[SactownHrtBrks8]

This is the summer they won’t have league wide competition due to teams with cap, important for this team

Stretching Iman means a hit for two years after this right before Fox comes up

They’d do it only if they had a deal in hand - I’m looking at you Capela/Nurkic

I don't see how adding Capela or Nurkic to this team would be beneficial to anyone. If Luka was the pick I could see it but our front court is way too crowded to add either of those guys in my opinion.

We’re a lot more crowded at SG, yet the conversation, because of some Bulls beat writer, is adding another one when there is a quality one who needs to find himself in the starting lineup as is, in Buddy

2 quality SGs, 0 proven quality centers

WCS is toast, Skal didn’t solidify himself in the teams plans, and going forward at this point you have Bagley and the mystery of Giles. Giles may or may not be relied on for such a role.

But qualitatively the best players on the market within the Kings reach are centers. LaVine was plain bad post injury, Parker an injury risk and Hezonja, who I like, just a prospect. There are proven good players in reach at center

I’m interested on what happens to Randolph, Koufus and Temple. IMO we need a backup PG and a couple wings. I’m okay keeping Buddy, Bog, and Shumpart. We need one bigger wing

[BoogieTime]

I don't see how adding Capela or Nurkic to this team would be beneficial to anyone. If Luka was the pick I could see it but our front court is way too crowded to add either of those guys in my opinion.

We’re a lot more crowded at SG, yet the conversation, because of some Bulls beat writer, is adding another one when there is a quality one who needs to find himself in the starting lineup as is, in Buddy

2 quality SGs, 0 proven quality centers

WCS is toast, Skal didn’t solidify himself in the teams plans, and going forward at this point you have Bagley and the mystery of Giles. Giles may or may not be relied on for such a role.

But qualitatively the best players on the market within the Kings reach are centers. LaVine was plain bad post injury, Parker an injury risk and Hezonja, who I like, just a prospect. There are proven good players in reach at center

I’m interested on what happens to Randolph, Koufus and Temple. IMO we need a backup PG and a couple wings. I’m okay keeping Buddy, Bog, and Shumpart. We need one bigger wing

If Giles is the real deal I can see that making center less of an issue. But, it’s a reliance on a guy with such a fragile history, who may be a PF or C, and good enough to hold down the spot. It’s a lot of question marks. We will see which way the FO goes.

Part of me wonders if it was any type of coincidence Capela was with Bogdan/Buddy in Belgrade...

It will be interesting to see what happens in a few days

[kingjawn100]

From Jason Jones:

"Couple of free agency notes on the Kings (as of now):
*Priority is small forward, team sees Jabari Parker as a PF and not a good fit.
*Love LaVine's talent, but would have to move Hield and/or Bogdanovic to make a serious run at him.
*A stretch 4 would be ideal at some point"

interesting on the Lavine front. I'm all for the home run and i'm not usually one to fall in love with our own (losing) players but i'd have a hard time giving up either Buddy or Bogi to fit in Lavine. Maybe a healthy Lavine but not with his checkered injury history.

Either way it's not really looking like we're gonna make a serious run at any big name restricted or unrestricted free agents. I think Hezonja is the biggest name that we realistically are pursuing.

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[Castor_Troy]

Sounds like Super Mario time to me

[City of Trees]

Sounds like Super Mario time to me

Anything over $8M per season will be an overpay.

Dont let us down Vlade.

If MH's price tag goes beyond $8+M id shift focus to smaller fish. Joe Harris or KA.

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[kingjawn100]

i have a sneaking suspicion that this isn't the 'do or die' season for Vlade & Joerger that people seem to think it is.

From all indications we aren't gonna make a big splash in free agency this summer. The goal seems to stand pat and maybe take on a contract or get a low level wing. Are people really expecting the team to make significant improvements with basically the same exact roster from last year's 27-win team? I feel like Vlade/Joerger must have somewhat of an assurance from Vivek that it's ok to take this slow/developmental approach.

And we keep getting reminded that NEXT summer is when the Kings will have tons of money to spend. It almost seems like this coming year will be year 2 in the 3-year/post Cousins rebuild and the 2019-2020 season, where we can really turn over the roster, is the make or break year for these guys. That would be year 4 for Joerger and year 5 for Divac as GM.

In my opinion the only things that can change this are if Bagley really struggles and Doncic is ROY, or if the pick we would have had ends up being in the top 3. Those would both be very bitter pills to swallow.

But if we win high 20s games again and everyone plays just 'ok' i don't see drastic changes being made.

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[Crimson King]

IMO the Kings and the Hornets are natural trade partners, as they have too many SFs and are willing to unload contracts.

For the right price (Randolph, Shumpert or Temple, Skal) I'd be interested in Batum or MKG or even Marvin Williams.

[kalenclayton]

IMO the Kings and the Hornets are natural trade partners, as they have too many SFs and are willing to unload contracts.

For the right price (Randolph, Shumpert or Temple, Skal) I'd be interested in Batum or MKG or even Marvin Williams.

It may appear that way on the surface, but they are less natural trade partners than you’d think. The Kings are currently rebuilding and don’t really need to be winning so it doesn’t really matter if they have everything positionally. Let’s look at the guys you mentioned:

Nic Batum: Nic’s skillset appears to fit right in with the Kings. He is a secondary facilitator who can do just about everything on the floor. He’s a well developed basketball player and doesn’t really have a true weakness in my eyes, but he doesn’t really have one fantastic skill. Each of his skills range from average to really good. I haven’t seen him have an elite skill for years. Anyway, he’s an aging player (almost 30) that doesn’t necessarily fit the timeline of our club. He will eat up a lot of our huge cap space next offseason and our flexibility will shrink when we need it most. The Kings would take on a long term big contract if it was attached to a young skilled player. Being older makes it a non-starter unfortunately. His fit would work pretty well with Fox and Buddy, but one of Bogi or Buddy would lose minutes and that is not what we need for their development.

Marvin Williams: I like Marvin. He’s a good ball player, but I don’t see him as a modern day 3. He’s a 4 and we have plenty of them. His versatility to be a combo forward in the right matchup is nice, but his fit isn’t really there. He shares the same issue the Batum brings: he doesn’t fit the timeline (32years old). He basically has 2 years left on his deal so it’s not the craziest investment, but it is $15mil per year that hurt flexibility and take minutes away from the young guys.

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist: I’ve loved MKG’s game since college. He is a hustler who just plays hard and gritty. Unfortunately, he couldn’t shoot in college and still hasn’t learned to. He does have skills that translate to the modem NBA and could fit in lineups with the Kings. He would likely be a combo forward, but play most of his minutes at the 4. That’s a problem because the Kings have a lot of those and none of them are stretch 4s so there would be spacing issues. Couple that with the fact the Fox has shooting issues himself and you have a really badly space offense. That being said, the guy is athletic and can defend at a really high level (potentially elite). He’s the only one of the three players you suggested that I’d be interested in bringing to the Kings. The price would have to be low though and I’m not so sure the Hornets would like that. I’m thinking Skal and a 2nd.


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[PetrieUnderstudy]

On the surface it would appear that the Hornets are good trade partners but MKG ($13 million per next 2 years and can't shoot), Batum ($24 to 27 million per year over next 3 years...yuck), and Williams ($14 & $15 million next 2 years) are all over priced for what they'd bring. Williams would be best option of the 3 when looking at contract and stretch 4 but he's 32 and not a SF, however Kings are apparently interested in a stretch 4.

Wilson Chandler and a 1st round pick from Denver could make sense but Chandler isn't as good of a 3 point shooter as I thought.

I think we are underestimating JaKarr Sampson as the starting SF for this season. He plays defense, hustles, rebounds, and hit the 3 decently. He'd be a glue guy and give length at SF. I like him better than Justin Jackson at this time.

Mario Hezonja, Jabari Parker, Kyle Anderson have been brought up but how about Will Barton, while undersized, he's only 27 and can shoot/score. Joe Harris would be another consideration.

Trade Iman Shumpert and his expiring contract to Charlotte for Marvin Williams and a pick. Saves the Hornets about $19 million and Kings get a stretch 4.

Kings would still have about $13 million in cap space and could then sign Will Barton 4 years $52 million. Realistic and the team can run and shoot.

PG De'Aaron Fox/Frank Mason
SG Bogdan Bogdanovic/Buddy Hield/Garrett Temple
SF Will Barton/Jakarr Sampson/Justin Jackson
PF Marvin Bagley III/Harry Giles/Marvin Williams/Zach Randolph
C Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Skal Labissiere

[LightTheBeam]

On the surface it would appear that the Hornets are good trade partners but MKG ($13 million per next 2 years and can't shoot), Batum ($24 to 27 million per year over next 3 years...yuck), and Williams ($14 & $15 million next 2 years) are all over priced for what they'd bring. Williams would be best option of the 3 when looking at contract and stretch 4 but he's 32 and not a SF, however Kings are apparently interested in a stretch 4.

Wilson Chandler and a 1st round pick from Denver could make sense but Chandler isn't as good of a 3 point shooter as I thought.

I think we are underestimating JaKarr Sampson as the starting SF for this season. He plays defense, hustles, rebounds, and hit the 3 decently. He'd be a glue guy and give length at SF. I like him better than Justin Jackson at this time.

Mario Hezonja, Jabari Parker, Kyle Anderson have been brought up but how about Will Barton, while undersized, he's only 27 and can shoot/score. Joe Harris would be another consideration.

Trade Iman Shumpert and his expiring contract to Charlotte for Marvin Williams and a pick. Saves the Hornets about $19 million and Kings get a stretch 4.

Kings would still have about $13 million in cap space and could then sign Will Barton 4 years $52 million. Realistic and the team can run and shoot.

PG De'Aaron Fox/Frank Mason
SG Bogdan Bogdanovic/Buddy Hield/Garrett Temple
SF Will Barton/Jakarr Sampson/Justin Jackson
PF Marvin Bagley III/Harry Giles/Marvin Williams/Zach Randolph
C Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Skal Labissiere

I love Jakarr more than most but no way do I see him playing SF with guys like Bagley/Giles/WCS up front. Hes a PF in todays NBA IMO. The spacing would be terrible especially with Fox.

I like Barton but I anticipate the price tag will end up being more than I want for what I see as a future backup. He isn't the longterm solution.

More than anything I don't want to force anyone to be our answer. Id rather grab a bandaid solution like Wilson Chandler while taking on some incentive to do so. Or give Mario an overpaid 1 year deal to see what he can do or just roll in with Temple/Bogdan/JJ/Hield soaking up all the minutes at 2/3.

Next year we have Shump/Koufos/Randolph/Temple all off the books. So many more options next year as well. Tobias Harris, Middleton, Justice Winslow, Oubre. We will be able to offer Tobias or Middleton the max and really put pressure on LAC and Milwaukee. Offer Oubre 15 a year, with the tax trouble that Washington is in no way they can match. Winslow should cost all that much and maybe we can trade for him this summer to get a good feel before we invest.

[LightTheBeam]

FWIW yesterday around 3:30PM Grant said he thinks the Kings agree to a deal within the next 72 hours for a new SF. That has me thinking Mario or Ariza is coming to Sac for sure. He mentioned he anticipates this new player to start at SF for us this upcoming year.

The advanced stats have Mario as a +.2 on defensive which surprised me. If he could become a 38% 3pt shooter with decent defense, I mean the kid is still only 23 and Orlando hasn't exactly been known to develop talent all that well the last 5+ years.