WOJ Kings thinking about firing Karl (Update pg. 3, It's happening per Stein)

[PaKwAn]

the next coach should be picked by vlade and has the same vision that he has for this team... vivek and company must leave it to vlade...

[City of Trees]

the next coach should be picked by vlade and has the same vision that he has for this team... vivek and company must leave it to vlade...

Once it's the Kings turn to pick from the remaining scraps of unemployed coaches, hopefully the new coach will share Vlade's vision. Having fired so many coaches in a short timeframe, we are bottom feeders.

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[PaKwAn]

Cuz owes karl a sorry letter... "coach, I'm sorry to hear that they have fired you... you should've kept quiet during the summer trying to trade me"

[PaKwAn]

the next coach should be picked by vlade and has the same vision that he has for this team... vivek and company must leave it to vlade...

Once it's the Kings turn to pick from the remaining scraps of unemployed coaches, hopefully the new coach will share Vlade's vision. Having fired so many coaches in a short timeframe, we are bottom feeders.

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I don't expect us to get any big name coaches anyway.. the type of organization and owner that we have is one of the worst in any sports,so that alone should not help us... if he can get a gem though like a Mike Malone Brad Stevens type of coach that would be great...

[City of Trees]

the next coach should be picked by vlade and has the same vision that he has for this team... vivek and company must leave it to vlade...

Once it's the Kings turn to pick from the remaining scraps of unemployed coaches, hopefully the new coach will share Vlade's vision. Having fired so many coaches in a short timeframe, we are bottom feeders.

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I don't expect us to get any big name coaches anyway.. the type of organization and owner that we have is one of the worst in any sports,so that alone should not help us... if he can get a gem though like a Mike Malone Brad Stevens type of coach that would be great...

Agreed, I can give two **** about the name... Only problem is Malone was a hot commodity leaving GS. Vivek had the upper hand with their back room deal while in GS. .... Kings aren't winning over on the rise coaches this time around. It's going to take some luck IMO.

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[benchmobbin02]

Once it's the Kings turn to pick from the remaining scraps of unemployed coaches, hopefully the new coach will share Vlade's vision. Having fired so many coaches in a short timeframe, we are bottom feeders.

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I don't expect us to get any big name coaches anyway.. the type of organization and owner that we have is one of the worst in any sports,so that alone should not help us... if he can get a gem though like a Mike Malone Brad Stevens type of coach that would be great...

Agreed, I can give two **** about the name... Only problem is Malone was a hot commodity leaving GS. Vivek had the upper hand with their back room deal while in GS. .... Kings aren't winning over on the rise coaches this time around. It's going to take some luck IMO.

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Im tired of people calling Malone a good coach. Just because DMC liked him doesn't mean he was good or could lead a team to success. Malone was a losing coach with us (38-67) and is a losing coach with Den (21-31). How low is the bar when we consider a guy who almost got us to .500 over 24 games as the best thing we've had in years.

I say all that to further make the point that the future is most likely going to be worst then the past with Karl. We'll never attract a high caliber coach if we treat Karl like this and can a coach in the middle of the season AGAIN. You're fooling yourself to think we will.

[City of Trees]

I don't expect us to get any big name coaches anyway.. the type of organization and owner that we have is one of the worst in any sports,so that alone should not help us... if he can get a gem though like a Mike Malone Brad Stevens type of coach that would be great...

Agreed, I can give two **** about the name... Only problem is Malone was a hot commodity leaving GS. Vivek had the upper hand with their back room deal while in GS. .... Kings aren't winning over on the rise coaches this time around. It's going to take some luck IMO.

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Im tired of people calling Malone a good coach. Just because DMC liked him doesn't mean he was good or could lead a team to success. Malone was a losing coach with us (38-67) and is a losing coach with Den (21-31). How low is the bar when we consider a guy who almost got us to .500 over 24 games as the best thing we've had in years.

Malone has the pedigree and make up of being a good coach, I think that's what people refer to when he's labeled decent or good. He still has a lot to prove.

I say all that to further make the point that the future is most likely going to be worst then the past with Karl. We'll never attract a high caliber coach if we treat Karl like this and can a coach in the middle of the season AGAIN. You're fooling yourself to think we will.

Yeah I was riding this train earlier today. Kings agenda was much better served firing Karl in the offseason. NBA heads see the mistakes Karl is making, no one is denying it, but the judgment and fire storm continues to surround HOW the Kings handle themselves.

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[bleeds_purple]

Im tired of people calling Malone a good coach. Just because DMC liked him doesn't mean he was good or could lead a team to success. Malone was a losing coach with us (38-67) and is a losing coach with Den (21-31). How low is the bar when we consider a guy who almost got us to .500 over 24 games as the best thing we've had in years.

I say all that to further make the point that the future is most likely going to be worst then the past with Karl. We'll never attract a high caliber coach if we treat Karl like this and can a coach in the middle of the season AGAIN. You're fooling yourself to think we will.

Malone carries himself with a level of professionalism that demands respect. He takes the game seriously. But at the same time he seems to use his energy to prop the players up rather than put them down when they do meet standards. That sort of aura is infectious and inspiring. It reminds me of Jim Harbaugh, who is yet another coach I was depressed to see go (not that you can really compare what Malone accomplished to Harbaugh's success).

We haven't had any of that in a coach (other than Malone) since Adelman. Its just been a series of coaches that want to pass the blame onto the players and who conduct themselves in a manner unbecoming of a leader. Rather than inspire they divide. We saw it with Westphal and Karl particularly. And interspersed between them were a bunch of losers who will never get another head coaching job. None of them have slightest of inclination or ability to actually mold a player or unite a locker room. If there's one thing clear about our team its that we are consistently one of the most unprofessional teams in the league. No one is invested in the team because there is no team. Its just a collection of players. And unfortunately a lot of that blame lies on Cousins. All the more reason we need a coach who can instill that attitude.

Until we find a decent coach (I was against Karl from day one) I don't think I can forgive Vivek for firing Malone. If he doesn't fix things up by this time next year I would think it's time for him to step down. You can already see he's shifted gears into a "hands off" style. And regardless of whether that's being employed as a method to deflect blame or as an admission of ineptitude, this franchise needs far more than an absentee owner.

[SacKingZZZ]

the next coach should be picked by vlade and has the same vision that he has for this team... vivek and company must leave it to vlade...

Once it's the Kings turn to pick from the remaining scraps of unemployed coaches, hopefully the new coach will share Vlade's vision. Having fired so many coaches in a short timeframe, we are bottom feeders.

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At least Vlade can finally approach it with the idea of what this team is and can be, rather than two ideas running in opposite directions. He built the team, and must have an idea of how he wants them to play. Finding a coach to put that into action should be EASY. Trades need to come as well, because the defense on the perimeter is just hopeless right now, but simply altering the play style to fit the talent should help as long as the players haven't totally bailed out yet.

[SacKingZZZ]

I don't expect us to get any big name coaches anyway.. the type of organization and owner that we have is one of the worst in any sports,so that alone should not help us... if he can get a gem though like a Mike Malone Brad Stevens type of coach that would be great...

Agreed, I can give two **** about the name... Only problem is Malone was a hot commodity leaving GS. Vivek had the upper hand with their back room deal while in GS. .... Kings aren't winning over on the rise coaches this time around. It's going to take some luck IMO.

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Im tired of people calling Malone a good coach. Just because DMC liked him doesn't mean he was good or could lead a team to success. Malone was a losing coach with us (38-67) and is a losing coach with Den (21-31). How low is the bar when we consider a guy who almost got us to .500 over 24 games as the best thing we've had in years.

I say all that to further make the point that the future is most likely going to be worst then the past with Karl. We'll never attract a high caliber coach if we treat Karl like this and can a coach in the middle of the season AGAIN. You're fooling yourself to think we will.

Karl was just recently canned in an even more questionable manner by his last team. I know history and different but similar situations will cause this to play out like everything is the fault of the organization but did it ever cross anyones mind that Karl might just indeed be a major part of the problem?? The same adjustment problems that were supposedly part of his ouster in Denver are going to end up being the same reason behind his ouster with the Kings.

That said, I do agree about Malone, he was far from perfect and no way was his offense sustainable, but, he was undoubtedly the only thing positive going on the braintrust side of things with the team at the time.

[blind prophet]

the next coach should be picked by vlade and has the same vision that he has for this team... vivek and company must leave it to vlade...

Once it's the Kings turn to pick from the remaining scraps of unemployed coaches, hopefully the new coach will share Vlade's vision. Having fired so many coaches in a short timeframe, we are bottom feeders.

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Have we really fired that many coaches?

Malone firing was a mistake.

Everyone knew Corbin was an interim, despite what PDA said, we all knew he'd be out by the end of the season.

Now we've got the worst defensive producing team in probably NBA history.

So the hype about coaching turmoil is rather meaningless to me, besides Vlade and the next coach need to see eye to eye.

[City of Trees]

the next coach should be picked by vlade and has the same vision that he has for this team... vivek and company must leave it to vlade...

Once it's the Kings turn to pick from the remaining scraps of unemployed coaches, hopefully the new coach will share Vlade's vision. Having fired so many coaches in a short timeframe, we are bottom feeders.

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Have we really fired that many coaches?

Yep. Most coaches fired since 2006

[blind prophet]

Yep. Most coaches fired since 2006

Anything from previous ownership is meaningless.

[City of Trees]

Yep. Most coaches fired since 2006

Anything from previous ownership is meaningless.

Not when you take into account your Star player has a reputation of "coach killer", justified or not it's still reality

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[blind prophet]

Yep. Most coaches fired since 2006

Anything from previous ownership is meaningless.

Not when you take into account your Star player has a reputation of "coach killer", justified or not it's still reality

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Only for people who don't know better.

Most of us here recall how poor our rosters were, how cheap the Magoofs were while trying to get out of town.

With Vivek, really it comes down to the Malone mistake, and the replacement stinking up the room (Karl).

[codydaze]

I don't expect us to get any big name coaches anyway.. the type of organization and owner that we have is one of the worst in any sports,so that alone should not help us... if he can get a gem though like a Mike Malone Brad Stevens type of coach that would be great...

Agreed, I can give two **** about the name... Only problem is Malone was a hot commodity leaving GS. Vivek had the upper hand with their back room deal while in GS. .... Kings aren't winning over on the rise coaches this time around. It's going to take some luck IMO.

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Im tired of people calling Malone a good coach. Just because DMC liked him doesn't mean he was good or could lead a team to success. Malone was a losing coach with us (38-67) and is a losing coach with Den (21-31). How low is the bar when we consider a guy who almost got us to .500 over 24 games as the best thing we've had in years.

I say all that to further make the point that the future is most likely going to be worst then the past with Karl. We'll never attract a high caliber coach if we treat Karl like this and can a coach in the middle of the season AGAIN. You're fooling yourself to think we will.

Do you not remember how well he had us playing before he was fired last year? Before Cousins went down with the virus? You have to look at the roster he had to work with as well, it was atrocious. Sessions, McCallum, Stauskas, Thompson, Landry, Hollins, Reggie Evans. Seriously? Sessions is the only one of those that is playing decent right now but he was flat out terrible with us. He also has Denver's really crappy roster only a half game back from us. I don't see how you would think he's not a good coach. If he had this current roster, I guarantee as much as I can that we would be over .500.

[City of Trees]

Kings chances of landing a second tier coach increases IF the players respond well to Corliss and finish the season strong. .... Mark Jackson type of coach ...

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[Kings2013]

Someone matched my feelings on Karl and how this went down in terms of history on another forum

First, Karl and Cousins don't match, and were never going to match with Karls vision. He has publically spoken anti-post, pace vision long before coming here. So why did he come here knowing that Cousins was already here if he could have possibly had another job?

When Karl was hired Pete D was still in charge and had a similar offensive vision to Karl. I believe Pete D gave the impression to Karl that Cousins could be moved to come here, before he was whacked. That's the only thing that makes sense to me

[benchmobbin02]

Agreed, I can give two **** about the name... Only problem is Malone was a hot commodity leaving GS. Vivek had the upper hand with their back room deal while in GS. .... Kings aren't winning over on the rise coaches this time around. It's going to take some luck IMO.

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Im tired of people calling Malone a good coach. Just because DMC liked him doesn't mean he was good or could lead a team to success. Malone was a losing coach with us (38-67) and is a losing coach with Den (21-31). How low is the bar when we consider a guy who almost got us to .500 over 24 games as the best thing we've had in years.

I say all that to further make the point that the future is most likely going to be worst then the past with Karl. We'll never attract a high caliber coach if we treat Karl like this and can a coach in the middle of the season AGAIN. You're fooling yourself to think we will.

Do you not remember how well he had us playing before he was fired last year? Before Cousins went down with the virus? You have to look at the roster he had to work with as well, it was atrocious. Sessions, McCallum, Stauskas, Thompson, Landry, Hollins, Reggie Evans. Seriously? Sessions is the only one of those that is playing decent right now but he was flat out terrible with us. He also has Denver's really crappy roster only a half game back from us. I don't see how you would think he's not a good coach. If he had this current roster, I guarantee as much as I can that we would be over .500.

Denver's roster isn't really crappy. They are good if you watch them play. Faried, Gallinari, Jokic, Barton, Mudiay, Harris Arthur and Foye are all well rounded players unlike our roster of one sided or overrated guys we have. There record is as much to do with the the players as the coach. They should be neck and neck with us if not more successful. It's not a badge of honor for a coach to be 21-32 and below the median in every meaningful category with good players.

We can argue this in circles all day. Malone was better than the empty suits we had before him but he wasn't good.

[codydaze]

Denver's roster isn't really crappy. They are good if you watch them play. Faried, Gallinari, Jokic, Barton, Mudiay, Harris Arthur and Foye are all well rounded players unlike our roster of one sided or overrated guys we have. There record is as much to do with the the players as the coach. They should be neck and neck with us if not more successful. It's not a badge of honor for a coach to be 21-32 and below the median in every meaningful category with good players.

We can argue this in circles all day. Malone was better than the empty suits we had before him but he wasn't good.

I don't know, Denver does not have a good roster in my opinion. Wilson Chandler is one of their best players and hasn't played a game all year. Gallo and Barton are playing great ball right now and Jokic is proving to be a pretty solid young guy but outside of that, there isn't much on that team. Faried is decent but doesn't really have an offensive game and is a subpar defender. Mudiay is having about as bad a rookie year as Mclemore did with his 8.1 PER. Harris, Arthur and Foye, really? Let's not forget this team won 30 games last year with Ty Lawson, Wilson Chandler and Aaron Afflalo, their top 3 scorers. Which ever way you wanna spin it, this Denver team is overachieving.