artest/warriors rumor from Bucher

[Bimbo_Coles]

Pietrus, O'Bryant, 1st round pick (top 10 protection) sounds fine to me.

This is the deal that definitely makes the most sense to me. Pietrus can fill Artest's role and is still pretty young with potential. POB is still a very good prospect at center. However both of these players are in nelly's doghouse, and could flourish somewhere else. The warriors would be willing to deal their first.

And I don't want to be mean, but there is no way the warriors would give up right. Say what you want about Artest vs. JRich. (I would agree that Artest is a better BASKETBALL player) but JRich's value was/is much higher than Artest because of his ticking time bomb label.

I totally agree with BMiller about POB. It is still a mystery in Warrior land regarding why he can't sniff the court. Everytime he gets any sort of burn he does something positive. He showed great flashes in pre-season. Our style just doesn't fit him though. Pietrus and POB would definatly be better than your average expirings though.

[RoyalCourtJestr]

I don't think the Kings need Pietrus. We have enough wings already.

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How is he a young scrub? While he hasnt played a lot with the W's, its not really his fault since he isnt that suited for the constant fastbreaking running up and down the floor type of offense.

Again, you can argue all you want that he has potential despite seeing no playing time. What I'm saying is that the Warriors have seen him for 2 years in practice and have decided that he's so useless, so without potential that they won't even pick up his first team option.

[ICMTM]

All I gotta say is Artest for Wright, and some filler, sounds plenty fair to me.

Wright, as big of a prospect as he was, hasn't proven anything. Artest IS a proven commodity. Do you think Stern will let SJax and Ron Ron play on the same team again?

Personally I'd rather let Artest walk then feel obligated to trade him. Sometimes "nothing in return" is better than junk in return.

[deNIEd]

All I gotta say is Artest for Wright, and some filler, sounds plenty fair to me.

Wright, as big of a prospect as he was, hasn't proven anything. Artest IS a proven commodity. Do you think Stern will let SJax and Ron Ron play on the same team again?

Personally I'd rather let Artest walk then feel obligated to trade him. Sometimes "nothing in return" is better than junk in return.

That logic doesn't work,
Has Oden or Rose or Beasley proven anything in the NBA yet? No, but all will have more value than anyone on the Kings, except maybe Martin, and that's a very very strong maybe.


How is letting Artest better than getting a 15-20 pick? Are you kidding me? How could you possibly think that with any common sense?

Instead of getting another quality player, we get absolutely nothing.

Don't tell me a 15-20th pick won't really mean much, ie K.Mart, ie Garcia, ie Douby ie Gerald Wallace ie Hedo.

[Smills91]

All I gotta say is Artest for Wright, and some filler, sounds plenty fair to me.

Wright, as big of a prospect as he was, hasn't proven anything. Artest IS a proven commodity. Do you think Stern will let SJax and Ron Ron play on the same team again?

Personally I'd rather let Artest walk then feel obligated to trade him. Sometimes "nothing in return" is better than junk in return.

Can I get an AMEN, BROTHER!

[SacKingZZZ]

You know, in watching the W's play I think they really need Ron. They need a player that can bang down low and get some post production out of. Even the Suns have that option now.

[SacKingZZZ]

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The Warriors weren't winning a championship this season anyways. Nothing has changed for them. They're not going to make a panic move like Phoenix did. We have the fourth youngest team in the league, we can bide our time, develop our core, and explore other trade options in the future to improve.

If Sacramento thinks Artest is worth more than the 20th pick in the 2008 NBA Draft, then by all means, you can keep him.

Ah, yes until it comes time to re-sign all that youth! Last I checked time is running out on the W's in that dept.

And Artest worth more than the 20th pick in the draft! You mean the ones the range in which the Suns sell like candy. Or Kyle Korver gets traded for! Or Ricky Davis gets traded for! Get real bro.

[SacKingZZZ]

Bucher's always been well outside the know when it comes to the West Coast... in fact most of ESPN just feeds constant BS about the West Coast so they dont look completely biased...

Neither team wants to trade within the division... how would the Kings spin it if Artest made the W's contenders? Conversely, how the W's spin it if Artest comes in and ruins the vibe we have going?

It won't happen...

And Tay is our 2nd most important piece, not Jackson... and this isn't incorporating the future. You can see the torch being passed, Monta is ascending, quickly, into being our cornerstone..

What vibe? Stuck in the 8th seed as virtually evey team around you gets better is still STUCK. Period.

[SacKingZZZ]

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That logic doesn't work,
Has Oden or Rose or Beasley proven anything in the NBA yet? No, but all will have more value than anyone on the Kings, except maybe Martin, and that's a very very strong maybe.


How is letting Artest better than getting a 15-20 pick? Are you kidding me? How could you possibly think that with any common sense?

Instead of getting another quality player, we get absolutely nothing.

Don't tell me a 15-20th pick won't really mean much, ie K.Mart, ie Garcia, ie Douby ie Gerald Wallace ie Hedo.

And the problem with Wright is that he never even proved anything on the college level! He was picked on nothing more than potential and that is scary. I still think Wright, mainly do to his lotto status, has major major bust potential.

And the POB issue is really a non-factor, sure take a flyer on him but the reality is that the Warriors didn't even pick up his player option!!! That speaks volumes as to how much they think of him. And don't think that just because the Warriors traded J-Rich to get Wright they are somehow infatuated with him. I think they were more infatuated with the salary dump than anything else. Their teams salary would have been waaay up over the tax had they not made that deal, so I think trading him for a piece that can help them compete now is logical. Don't know if we could get the pick too though. I'd rather have that 1st than Wright any day.

[OGSactownballer]

Exactly. It is WELL KNOWN how much Don Nelson LOVES to run small guards. He had Mullin move JRich for two reasons - 1)Salary dump and 2)to give Monta Ellis run PERIOD. Wright was a bonus, but we all know VERY well the history of young PF's and Don Nelson here in Northern California (Webber). Not that I'm saying that Wright is a CWebb by ANY stretch of the imagination right now, but just that this is standart Nelson. I think that if he thought that he could get a guy like Ron - who happens to be great buddies with his second most important player (yes, Jackson is - just in case any W's fans forgot how you all STARTED the season w/o him) and have a shot at running for the title and proving all his naysayers wrong finally - he'd do it in a heartbeat.

[Ballings7]

I still don't see how the Warriors have a shot at the title. With or without Ron. The rebounding, solid/traditional/discplined defense (not the gambling, steals, blocks, scrambling defense they rely on, which only works so much), interior defense, and half-court offense wouldn't be there enough. The size and ability up front just is lacking on both ends of the court.

They also have proven they lack emotional control. B-Davis, Jackson, Barnes (not as much, but has definitely shown it enough to be mentioned), you can't get technicals and let calls get to you as regularily as they do, and at times as much as they have. Who knows if they've learned from the mistakes.

[crzy]

And don't think that just because the Warriors traded J-Rich to get Wright they are somehow infatuated with him.

Let me set you straight. We are infatuated with him. There is only one player on your team we would trade Brandan Wright for. And it's certainly not Ron Artest. You can have the 2008 1st round pick though.

[Smills91]

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Let me set you straight. We are infatuated with him. There is only one player on your team we would trade Brandan Wright for. And it's certainly not Ron Artest. You can have the 2008 1st round pick though.

Soooo infatuated with him, your francise went and signed a geriatric c-webb on one leg and out of shape. This smells like BS on your part in a feable attempt to hype up a young player a la laker/knick fans in hopes that somehow it'll justify landing you a superstar caliber player in some future deal, similar to what happened to Channing Frye, David Lee, Javaris Crittenten etc etc etc. We see this 'tactic' all the time and I know EXACTLY what you're attempting and it's BS.

[Cruel_Ruin]

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Soooo infatuated with him, your francise went and signed a geriatric c-webb on one leg and out of shape. This smells like BS on your part in a feable attempt to hype up a young player a la laker/knick fans in hopes that somehow it'll justify landing you a superstar caliber player in some future deal, similar to what happened to Channing Frye, David Lee, Javaris Crittenten etc etc etc. We see this 'tactic' all the time and I know EXACTLY what you're attempting and it's BS.

Come on, man, there's no conspiracy here. Everybody hypes their young players, i.e. us with Hawes.

[Bimbo_Coles]

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Soooo infatuated with him, your francise went and signed a geriatric c-webb on one leg and out of shape. This smells like BS on your part in a feable attempt to hype up a young player a la laker/knick fans in hopes that somehow it'll justify landing you a superstar caliber player in some future deal, similar to what happened to Channing Frye, David Lee, Javaris Crittenten etc etc etc. We see this 'tactic' all the time and I know EXACTLY what you're attempting and it's BS.

Lol. I hate to crush any hopes and dreams, but I hope you realize that us fans actually don't determine how these trades happen.

It is funny to me that everyone is saying that we are delusional to think that the warriors can compete for a championship this year. I honestly don't think that a single warriors fan truely expects us to be a championship caliber team. We run a gimmicky system that can only be orchestrated by Don Nelson. Our main hope for the franchise lies in the hands of our young core. (Monta, Wright, and Biedrins.)

As far as Wright is concerned it is correct that we are in fact enamored with him. It is pretty ridiculous to expect him to be playing big minutes for us. When was the last time a rookie got big minutes for a winning team? Much less for a coach that notoriously doesn't play rookies. Much less a big man playing for a coach that notoriously doesn't play big men. Remember that EVERY single player in the warriors core started out on the bench their rookie years. Baron was on a good Charlotte team. Jackson wasn't even in the league. Harrington was benched in Indy. Biedrins sat. Monta sat. Wright has a team full of examples of how to handle sitting as a rookie.

Our hope as a franchise is that the core of Nelly/Davis/Jackson helps establish a winning culture. In a year or two, Nelly will hand the reigns to the franchise over to Keith Smart (like he did with Avery Johnson.) That is where the Nelly/Davis/Jackson will pass the torch off to Smart/Ellis/Wright/Biedrins.

I guess the point of this whole diatribe is to give you all a bit of insight into where the warriors are as a franchise.

Do we want Ron Artest? Hell yes. Would we give up part of our young core (Ellis, Wright, Biedrins)? No.

The Warriors are perfectly content to stay where they are and let this team develope. Ron Artest would make us a much better team in the present, but we still wouldn't be designed to take on the true elites in the west.

That being said, These are the type of pieces that the warriors would give up in an Artest trade.

POB, Pietrus, Azubuike, Belineli, 08 1st, TPE, Kosta.

Pietrus + POB + 1st still looks like the most plausible deal to me. If you are offered something better then great. If you decide that this isn't a good enough deal, and you want to try and wait for a sign and trade in the offseason then great. However if you are really worried about losing him outright, then a 1st (which will be higher than denver's) plus a big man prospect (POB) and a useful expiring (Pietrus) would probably be a deal worth considering.

[crzy]

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Soooo infatuated with him, your francise went and signed a geriatric c-webb on one leg and out of shape. This smells like BS on your part in a feable attempt to hype up a young player a la laker/knick fans in hopes that somehow it'll justify landing you a superstar caliber player in some future deal, similar to what happened to Channing Frye, David Lee, Javaris Crittenten etc etc etc. We see this 'tactic' all the time and I know EXACTLY what you're attempting and it's BS.

That's pure insinuation on your part. Our management signing Chris Webber to a minimum contact and how our team feels about Brandan Wright are mutually exclusive. We knew when we drafted Wright at 200 pounds that it would take at least a season before he would make our rotation. That's what a long-term project is. My point still stands. The Warriors are extremely high on Brandan Wright and by this time next year, you'll see why.

[Ballings7]

It is funny to me that everyone is saying that we are delusional to think that the warriors can compete for a championship this year. I honestly don't think that a single warriors fan truely expects us to be a championship caliber team. We run a gimmicky system that can only be orchestrated by Don Nelson. Our main hope for the franchise lies in the hands of our young core. (Monta, Wright, and Biedrins.)

Well yeah, I didn't know how Warrior fans feel about that. I was just responding to AndroidKing and OGSactownballer (and anybody else), who said the Warriors would make a title run (with Ron (which was the specific case), as well as without him).

As, the historical evidence is incredible, in what is needed to be a championship-caliber basketball team, and win titles. That largely doesn't relate to the Warriors yet.

[Bimbo_Coles]

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As, the historical evidence is incredible, in what is needed to be a championship-caliber basketball team, and win titles. That largely doesn't relate to the Warriors yet.

I agree entirely. Which further supports the fact that the warriors wouldn't give up Brandan Wright in any deal for Artest. He is their first shot since Webber that we have a shot at a legitimate 4. Letting him develop alongside Biedrins and having a new Coach (Smart) that will actually play big men, is the best shot we have of eventually having what is needed to be a championship caliber basketball team.

[Ballings7]

Exactly.