What can Cleveland give for Ron Artest?

[SacKingZZZ]

Yeah, the Cavs deal might be best, but that 1st is going to be worthless being so low. AV could be the next Scot Pollard for us, West could be the next Bo-Jax. Adding Moore sounds good to me. Brad? No way. Brad should be moved on his own if he is moved at all.

Actual on court play, style wise, etc. the best fit still remains Odom hands down.

Yeah, it's not like Petrie drafted guys like Kevin Martin or Gerald Wallace with late 1st rounders

errr uhm, oh wait.

What's even funnier is you calling a late 1st worthless but then raving about 2 guys who were picked @ 24th overall (West) & 31st overall (Bob).

I am not very high on the next draft at all. I think outside of 10-11 guys it's going to be a very weak draft. Of course that depends on who declares and what surprises may develop but I think it's going to be closer to the draft of '06 than the last two.

[rpa]

I am not very high on the next draft at all. I think outside of 10-11 guys it's going to be a very weak draft. Of course that depends on who declares and what surprises may develop but I think it's going to be closer to the draft of '06 than the last two.

I think next years draft is going to be very deep (particularly at the 1). I don't think there's going to be a pair of guys that separate themselves from the pack like we've seen the last 2 years but in terms of depth this next draft should be really good.

[SacKingZZZ]

I am not very high on the next draft at all. I think outside of 10-11 guys it's going to be a very weak draft. Of course that depends on who declares and what surprises may develop but I think it's going to be closer to the draft of '06 than the last two.

I think next years draft is going to be very deep (particularly at the 1). I don't think there's going to be a pair of guys that separate themselves from the pack like we've seen the last 2 years but in terms of depth this next draft should be really good.

Ok, but as with just about every draft, all of the best PG prospects are gone by a pick close to 30 most likely. We may be able to pick up a role player level wing or big man, but do we really need that at this point!?

[rpa]

Ok, but as with just about every draft, all of the best PG prospects are gone by a pick close to 30 most likely. We may be able to pick up a role player level wing or big man, but do we really need that at this point!?

Young, cheap assets with potential are never a bad thing.

[SacKingZZZ]

Ok, but as with just about every draft, all of the best PG prospects are gone by a pick close to 30 most likely. We may be able to pick up a role player level wing or big man, but do we really need that at this point!?

Young, cheap assets with potential are never a bad thing.

You bring up Gerald, but in the end he was a young cheap talent that did NOTHING for us. I could very well see the same thing with a late 1st pick considering we have so much young depth already.

[deNIEd]

Ok, but as with just about every draft, all of the best PG prospects are gone by a pick close to 30 most likely. We may be able to pick up a role player level wing or big man, but do we really need that at this point!?

Young, cheap assets with potential are never a bad thing.

You bring up Gerald, but in the end he was a young cheap talent that did NOTHING for us. I could very well see the same thing with a late 1st pick considering we have so much young depth already.

Well, we were winning then, something we aren't doing now.

When you are trying to contend for a title, you can't really spare much time for young players, but since we kinda suck, a lot more time can be given to try out different players, lineups, plays, etc.

[DowJones]

Cleveland would offer a 2009 1st rounder imo...at least I would think. I don't know about West. It isn't about talent, but West is really our only PG right now and we need to have him. You guys just signed Beno anyways, so I don't know what value West would have to Sacramento.

Maybe a package involving 2009 1st-Wally-Varejao-Snow for Artest and whatever bad contracts you want to get rid of? You get a younger player in Varejao that you MAY want to keep and a 1st round pick. How about something like this....

Cleveland Trades
-2009 1st
-2010 2nd
-Anderson Varejao
-Eric Snow
-Wally Zscerbiak

Sacramento Trades
-Ron Artest
-Kenny Thomas
-Mikki Moore

[deNIEd]

Unless we could swing a three way deal to land any of (Al Thornton, Julian Wright, Thad Young, Donte Green and Aaron Brooks), then the above Cleveland deal would be my favorite.

[Smooth32]

The Cavs won't give the Kings a 1st rounder when we're taking on a 1-year rental and a bad contract. Especially with so few picks in the past years.

Anything else is fine with me, but the 1st pick is a no-no.

[rjgraca]

The Cavs won't give the Kings a 1st rounder when we're taking on a 1-year rental and a bad contract. Especially with so few picks in the past years.

Anything else is fine with me, but the 1st pick is a no-no.

What he said.

Co-owner lashes out after latest Artest comments


Kings co-owner Joe Maloof had a message for his conflicted player.

"He has to balance the way he acts," Joe Maloof said by phone. "He's got to control his emotions a little better. You've got to try and keep your cool a little bit.

"Take a deep breath and quit flying off the handle with comments that don't make sense. I hate to say it that way, but that's how I feel. It doesn't make sense to me."

He's not alone.

Artest's latest public venting came just six days after he had apologized to the Kings for "being mistakenly frustrated" by their stance. He not only e-mailed The Bee and ESPN to get his message out but reiterated the remorseful sentiments via text messages to Kings basketball president Geoff Petrie. Less than a week later, Artest pointed to the Maloofs as the root of his frustration.

"I was blinded by friendship," he wrote to ESPN. "Even Mama Maloof (Joe and Gavin's mother, Colleen) told me she wanted me to stay. I never knew that meant one more year. I thought it meant several. When Mama (Maloof) talks, you listen."

http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/1082869.html

[DowJones]

Why couldn't we re-sign Artest? Not many teams under the cap in 2009 will want Artest, and since we would have his Bird rights we would probably be able to offer him the most money without having to over-spend. He has a good relationship with Mike Brown and he has talked about wanting to play with LeBron. I bet Ron would sign an extension worth about 9 million a year for 4 years before the season even starts. Artest is only 29 I believe so extending him would be a smart move.

I would certainly give up a 1st for Ron, mainly because I think we would have a good chance to extend him.

[SacKingZZZ]

Why couldn't we re-sign Artest? Not many teams under the cap in 2009 will want Artest, and since we would have his Bird rights we would probably be able to offer him the most money without having to over-spend. He has a good relationship with Mike Brown and he has talked about wanting to play with LeBron. I bet Ron would sign an extension worth about 9 million a year for 4 years before the season even starts. Artest is only 29 I believe so extending him would be a smart move.

I would certainly give up a 1st for Ron, mainly because I think we would have a good chance to extend him.

Oh, I would go as far as to guarantee that Ron would sign an extension with ANY team right now. If he were traded to the Grizzlies I bet he would sign an extension. He might demand a trade in a year or two but he wants that extension.

[Bac2Basics]

I don't understand the appeal of making a trade with the CAVs at all.

None of the players they have to offer are particularly intriguing in the least, none of them with the possible exception of AV (and I think he's entirely overrated) has even the remotest possibility of being in the long term plans of Sacramento.

I'd much rather work out a deal with Miami for Marion (if we're going just for more expiring money) or maybe Charlotte for Felton+ (as he at least has the potential to be in the Kings long term plans, Udrih/Felton could become the next Bibby/B-Jax)

[OGSactownballer]

Yeah, anything interesting in Cleveland went in previous trades so they would have to bring in an appropriate third team to make anything interesting to us at this point.

Honestly I think that it may well show out that because of Danny ferry's insistence on (perceived) better value coming back and the fact that there are a number of GM's out there that WANT to see his team do poorly so that LeBron will want to go elsewhere - they may have trouble finding a third trading partner that will help make LeBron feel better about the Cavs.

Just my opinion - take it for what it's worth.

[DowJones]

Of course Ferry is going to want better value coming back than going out...that is the point of a trade. I also don't think the league wants LeBron somewhere else...and by the league I mean the GM's. They probably don't really care 1 way or another.

I do agree with the Sacramento fans that say Cleveland can't offer much. That is true. The problem is that Artest's value isn't all that high because teams that he will want to play for don't have much in the way of young talent.

[OGSactownballer]

That has little to do with Artest's "value".

BTW, I love whenever we (kings fans) are discussing pros and cons of trading Artest the other fans on here always end up falling back on the "he's crazy" and "his value is dropping" to make their point. Last time I checked, Allen Iverson threw his girlfriend out naked on the lawn. How many GM's would do whatever necessary to get him on their team? Back in the day, Barkley threw a guy through a bar window. But you never heard anybody say they didn't want him on their team (except Utah because they had Malone). Patrick Ewing got busted with most of the Knicks team in an ATL strip joint where the girls were doing "extra" work for them out the back door. The list goes on and on. These guys have six reporters and a camera or two up their ass every time they so much as fart. So the guys got some screws loose. So what? So does Big Papi, but he still makes millions of dollars because he mnight win your team a ring.

That's what it really boils down to - which GM(s) think that he is "THE GUY" who can put their team over the top. And that (those) guy(s) will offer whatever reasonable offer will get them their shot at next year's ring.

[Smooth32]

I don't understand the appeal of making a trade with the CAVs at all.

None of the players they have to offer are particularly intriguing in the least, none of them with the possible exception of AV (and I think he's entirely overrated) has even the remotest possibility of being in the long term plans of Sacramento.

I'd much rather work out a deal with Miami for Marion (if we're going just for more expiring money) or maybe Charlotte for Felton+ (as he at least has the potential to be in the Kings long term plans, Udrih/Felton could become the next Bibby/B-Jax)

I don't get the appeal of making a trade with the Lakers or Heat. All you're basically getting is an expiring for an expiring. It just doesn't make sense to me.

At least Cleveland can add some decent young talent to a big expiring.

JMHO

[SacKingZZZ]

I don't understand the appeal of making a trade with the CAVs at all.

None of the players they have to offer are particularly intriguing in the least, none of them with the possible exception of AV (and I think he's entirely overrated) has even the remotest possibility of being in the long term plans of Sacramento.

I'd much rather work out a deal with Miami for Marion (if we're going just for more expiring money) or maybe Charlotte for Felton+ (as he at least has the potential to be in the Kings long term plans, Udrih/Felton could become the next Bibby/B-Jax)

I don't get the appeal of making a trade with the Lakers or Heat. All you're basically getting is an expiring for an expiring. It just doesn't make sense to me.

At least Cleveland can add some decent young talent to a big expiring.

JMHO

That may be the problem though. We are pretty much chalk full of "decent" young talent. At just about every position too.

[deNIEd]

That doesn't matter if we have a bunch of "decent" talent.

Trade 3 decent for 1 good.

Trade 4 good for 1 great.

We just need to add talent to this team.

[Bac2Basics]

I don't understand the appeal of making a trade with the CAVs at all.
None of the players they have to offer are particularly intriguing in the least, none of them with the possible exception of AV (and I think he's entirely overrated) has even the remotest possibility of being in the long term plans of Sacramento.
I'd much rather work out a deal with Miami for Marion (if we're going just for more expiring money) or maybe Charlotte for Felton+ (as he at least has the potential to be in the Kings long term plans, Udrih/Felton could become the next Bibby/B-Jax)

I don't get the appeal of making a trade with the Lakers or Heat. All you're basically getting is an expiring for an expiring. It just doesn't make sense to me.
At least Cleveland can add some decent young talent to a big expiring.
JMHO

What young talent? Varejao? I don't consider him as a talent at all. If he was anywhere near as talented as people make him out to be, he wouldn't have had to go crawling back to Cleveland when he wanted to bolt for more money.