Any info on what the principles are in the Artest to Dtroit

[SacKingZZZ]

Healthy locker room environment? I guess, but it seems to me like they need extra motivation, CWebb has said as much himself.

[SacKingZZZ]

Ok here is an update:

Pistons want Garcia with Artest... Kings say GTFO or give us Maxiel with Prince... Pistons say No way.

Its pretty serious, but its a stalemate... more players might get included to satisfy both sides.

I can't believe the Kings would even add Garcia if they added Maxiell! We don't really need Maxiell at this point with Shelden, Thompson, and Hawes being more than enough in young bigs. Garcia has the chance to be a great 6th man IMO.

You know, I don't even care anymore, I just can't wait for the Artest crap to be over with!!! Screw it Petrie just take Bass/Stack from Dallas this is just dragging on for way too long and we need to dump this guy fast before all these rumors piss Ron off. Nothing good would come out of that.

[princeofpalace]

Coming for Detroits beat writer Keith Langlois

Coming from Sacramento this week was a report that the Pistons were pursuing Ron Artest of the Kings. Don’t hold your breath. Joe Dumars has carefully crafted a healthy locker room environment. He’ll roll the dice occasionally on players that others, at least, view skeptically from a character standpoint. But Artest? It’s highly unlikely the Pistons would go there.

http://truebluepistons.blogspot.com/2008/07/pistons-wont-spend-big-on-backup-to.html

Nah this is legit, I knew about this even before Amick reported it.

Correct me if Im wrong but Amick in his initial article stated that Dumars had not yet contacted Kings FO about Artest. So are you implying that you have sources within the Pistons organization. Also in Amicks 2nd blog about the situation he went on to say that Dumars doesnt want the fans to think hes not trying to make a move which is the motivation for this one but that completely contradicts what Joe Dumars said point blank- He will not make a move just to make a move. I dont buy this one bit, its just more speculation from beat writers much like the Billups for Harrington and crap, Billups for Charlie V and crap etc. etc..

[mobiuseinz]

Correct me if Im wrong but Amick in his initial article stated that Dumars had not yet contacted Kings FO about Artest. So are you implying that you have sources within the Pistons organization. Also in Amicks 2nd blog about the situation he went on to say that Dumars doesnt want the fans to think hes not trying to make a move which is the motivation for this one but that completely contradicts what Joe Dumars said point blank- He will not make a move just to make a move. I dont buy this one bit, its just more speculation from beat writers much like the Billups for Harrington and crap, Billups for Charlie V and crap etc. etc..

Actually the sopurce he has is the same source I have, which is in the Kings FO. Its serious and the deal would go down if it was Artest and Garcia for Prince.

Petrie will probably wait to see what the situation is with Josh Smith and Emeka Okafor as well as Deng... if they sign the QO, the Kings will go for Cap Space.

[princeofpalace]

[Sure enough, a second source close to the Pistons has indicated Detroit is pondering a trade for Ron-Ron. I'm not sure of the opinions of the Pistons' powers-that-be - namely team president Joe Dumars and owner Bill Davidson- but it says plenty that the chatter surrounding the mere idea is spreading around them. And Dumars, for the record, may be glad this is getting out, since he reportedly is tired of fans thinking he's sitting on his hands.
The piece that gets it done here is Tayshaun Prince, and the Pistons - according to ESPN's Chris Broussard - have already considered other moves that include their stars. A Kings source tells me they have not called Sacramento and I wouldn't be shocked if no one else had recently either. I'm told it's quiet enough that Kings basketball president Geoff Petrie is heading out for a vacation, which means we have something in common

Well if your sources are the same than why does Amick say that Dumars has not contacted Petrie meaning that there couldnt have been any negotiations at all.

Artest to Detroit just doesnt make sense at all given the fact that Dumars values the lockerroom chemistry a lot and that Davidson has a history of being incredibly vendictive. He didnt think Larry Brown was a good person and he was bought out so I dont see how he could view Artest- someone who beat up Detroit fans as a good person. It just doesnt make sense for Detroit at all.

[BMiller52]

Coming for Detroits beat writer Keith Langlois

Nah this is legit, I knew about this even before Amick reported it.

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Correct me if Im wrong but Amick in his initial article stated that Dumars had not yet contacted Kings FO about Artest. So are you implying that you have sources within the Pistons organization. Also in Amicks 2nd blog about the situation he went on to say that Dumars doesnt want the fans to think hes not trying to make a move which is the motivation for this one but that completely contradicts what Joe Dumars said point blank- He will not make a move just to make a move. I dont buy this one bit, its just more speculation from beat writers much like the Billups for Harrington and crap, Billups for Charlie V and crap etc. etc

I can't go into this too much but just because my source isn't a PISTONS insider doesn't mean they're not correct. They get things right before the press all the time and it's legit. If you don't want to believe me or mobeuseinz(we have the same source) then oh well, nothing I can do about it. All I'm saying is that it's legit, not that a trade is imminent or anything though.

[RoyalCourtJestr]

So what you are saying is -

Any deal that gets us someone who has a longer deal contract then Ron, Petrie is gonna hold off on it incase Deng/Smith/Okafur don't get longer contracts?

And from what mobeuseinz has said, would the deal really go down Prince for Artest and filler if the filler was garcia? o_O

I'm just really ready for this to be done... the small chances of us getting Deng, Smith or Okafur be damned.

[Ballings7]

You know, I don't even care anymore, I just can't wait for the Artest crap to be over with!!! Screw it Petrie just take Bass/Stack from Dallas this is just dragging on for way too long and we need to dump this guy fast before all these rumors piss Ron off. Nothing good would come out of that.

Woah

Trade rumors don't piss Ron off, remember the Knicks and Clippers garbage back in the winter of 06-07? If you don't, go do some research. It's all been documented from various media resources.

I remember part of that specifically after the Knicks Arco game, where Ron scored 39 pts, was interviewed by Walt Frazier after the game (I saw the MSG version), and was happy to know about his value and that he's wanted.

Ron was positive on all that because it shows he's wanted and has value (naturally). Same would go as here with the various rumors recently, especially considering the teams involved (Lakers/Mavs/Cavs/Pistons/Heat) or were involved, are all superior squads compared to the Clippers and Knicks back in 07.

I think you're overreacting here.

We definitely don't need to dump Ron if the deal is iffy for us. Which Bass/Stackhouse would definitely be, and is already dead, or at least faded away. Thankfully.

Just keep Ron and then let him walk if the offers aren't that good for this team going foward. Other-wise, sure, do the deal.

If we get another significant SF in a deal for Ron - the log-jam situation continues until somebody is dealt.

[SadKingsFan]

Trust me pistons fan, all this talk is legit. I just had issues with FireBK because he kept saying the deal was done when i know for FACT that they are just having serious discussions. I have the same source as Bmiller and trust me this is a very realistic possibility.

[Inc]

I don't get letting Ron walk, when we could add a young player to help us like Bass..

If we let Ron walk = Some cap space
Trade for Bass/Stack = Some cap space + young good potential

[Ballings7]

I love Bass, been a supporter of his since his Hornets days.

But we have to move Moore before he could get the role he deserves. Which would be backing up Thompson. Maybe even SAR would get time this year after rehabbing and everything. Who knows, or he'll be like KT and play little and sit out the majority of the year, not being in the plans.

Bass is also a strong possibility to walk after the season because of either finding a better, more set role than he had during the season, or getting the improved role, plus going to a better team.

He's going to command MLE (technically not all of it, but most) money next summer.

[SacKingZZZ]

You know, I don't even care anymore, I just can't wait for the Artest crap to be over with!!! Screw it Petrie just take Bass/Stack from Dallas this is just dragging on for way too long and we need to dump this guy fast before all these rumors piss Ron off. Nothing good would come out of that.

Woah

Trade rumors don't piss Ron off, remember the Knicks and Clippers garbage back in the winter of 06-07? If you don't, go do some research. It's all been documented from various media resources.

I remember part of that specifically after the Knicks Arco game, where Ron scored 39 pts, was interviewed by Walt Frazier after the game (I saw the MSG version), and was happy to know about his value and that he's wanted.

Ron was positive on all that because it shows he's wanted and has value (naturally). Same would go as here with the various rumors recently, especially considering the teams involved (Lakers/Mavs/Cavs/Pistons/Heat) or were involved, are all superior squads compared to the Clippers and Knicks back in 07.

I think you're overreacting here.

We definitely don't need to dump Ron if the deal is iffy for us. Which Bass/Stackhouse would definitely be, and is already dead, or at least faded away. Thankfully.

Just keep Ron and then let him walk if the offers aren't that good for this team going foward. Other-wise, sure, do the deal.

If we get another significant SF in a deal for Ron - the log-jam situation continues until somebody is dealt.

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

I know Josh Smith has been mentioned in this thread as an opportunity to sign as a free agent next season if he signs the qualifying offer. Why don't we get Atlanta involved in this trade now? With Josh Childress leaving the Hawks have an opportunity to help alleviate his loss.

Something along the lines of:

Kings trade: Ron Artest/Kenny Thomas/Protected Future 1st
Kings receive: Josh Smith (S&T)

Pistons trade: Tayshaun Price/Antonio McDyess
Pistons receive: Ron Artest/Kenny Thomas/Protected Future 1st

Hawks trade: Josh Smith (S&T)
Hawks receive: Tayshaun Price/Antonio McDyess

Maybe move the Protected Future 1st to Atlanta? Substitute KT with Moore?

[SacKingZZZ]

Seriously this is just getting annoying already. We finally have a decent crop of young guys, one of which who is impressing with the olympic select team and we are still hearing nothing but talk about a guy that this franchise clearly doesn't want, and won't be here beyond one year at the most.

If we hold on into the season Ron pretty much doesn't have a choice but let it be known he wants to be with a team that wants him. It's not fair for any side here, the deals are what they are and are not going to change by the deadline. Tried that last year and found ourselves with very few interested parties. It seems like common sense to me. No "contender" is going to shake things with the magnitude of adding a guy like Artest at the deadline.

[VeeJay24]

What is the Bulls interest in Ron? Would they like to have him back? Then, we could just do a Artest/Deng deal. Same goes for the Hawks and Smith.

[Ballings7]

Well Marvin Williams is already there at SF for the Hawks.

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

There's only been one kind of history relating to Ron and how he is on trade rumors... which is what I explained. At least in the last few years, which is what matters most.

[ilikepistonslol]

I'm calling Langlois's bluff. That 'good locker-room environment' bull**** might have worked two years ago but it has never been more evident that there needs to be a shake-up. Langlois has never been in favor of letting go of any of the core and shaking things up. lets just wait this out, a couple more players names are going to get thrown out there before both sides can reach an agreement; the Pistons want to get this done as much as the Kings do.

[BMiller52]

I'm calling Langlois's bluff. That 'good locker-room environment' bull**** might have worked two years ago but it has never been more evident that there needs to be a shake-up. Langlois has never been in favor of letting go of any of the core and shaking things up. lets just wait this out, a couple more players names are going to get thrown out there before both sides can reach an agreement; the Pistons want to get this done as much as the Kings do.

Exactly. Anyway supposedly from my source(and I actually feel guilty for leaking inside info, I shouldn't be doing this) they're going to be discussing deals over the next week or 2. Nothing imminent and a 25% chance this goes down. But the discussions are legit and are happening.

[ilikepistonslol]

i would like to hear a little input on this. Keep in mind Johnson and Maxiell both work.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=4725999

i'm coming for input because while Dice can still ball, his intentions are pretty unclear, considering the main reason he made his NBA return was for a opportunity for a ring. And frankly I don't know what everybody's opinion on Miller coming back is, but this works in our favor in the sense that we delude our PF field a bit in return for a quality true center. feel free to tinker.

[SacKingZZZ]

I'm calling Langlois's bluff. That 'good locker-room environment' bull**** might have worked two years ago but it has never been more evident that there needs to be a shake-up. Langlois has never been in favor of letting go of any of the core and shaking things up. lets just wait this out, a couple more players names are going to get thrown out there before both sides can reach an agreement; the Pistons want to get this done as much as the Kings do.

Exactly. Anyway supposedly from my source(and I actually feel guilty for leaking inside info, I shouldn't be doing this) they're going to be discussing deals over the next week or 2. Nothing imminent and a 25% chance this goes down. But the discussions are legit and are happening.

Haha, I love percentages when gauging whether a trade will happen. Anyway, if 25% is indeed anywhere close to the odds then that tells me this ain't going down.

Oh yeah, another thing I find funny about NBA trades is that it takes freaking 2 weeks to make a trade!? Seriously, it ain't rocket science, hell if morons like us can make realistic trades then I don't see why it's so hard for these guys. Either the Pistons want Artest or they don't. I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't settle for anything less than Garcia if they really did want Artest. Why would the "filler" part of the deal be so important. I mean, the foundation for a basic straight up trade sounds pretty equal to me. The filler should be just that, filler. Fact is it's going to have to be someone the Kings don't really want to give up anyway.