The TRADE Thread 2021

[LightTheBeam]

How do you guys like this:

Kings get Simmons+Harris+Curry
Curry, Hali, Simmons, harris, Holmes -- Davion, TD2, Harkless, Len

76ers get Fox+Hield+Barnes
Fox, Hield, Green, Barnes, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, Korkmaz, Niang, Drummond

That’s a massive overpay by the Sixers as they’re trading 60% of the starters on a #1 seed for some guys that can’t sniff .500

Embiid is the reason for the 1 seed and you know it

Not a fan of Tobias. Not sure how that guy isn't considered an awful contract. Hes going to make 76 million the next 2 years, and should probably make 40.

I personally don't like trading Fox for Simmons. But I know fans on here are torn with some liking and others not so much.

Buddy for Curry is good, but its not a huge needle mover.

Barnes for Tobias is just giving Barnes a 20 million dollar raise next year for no reason.

Unfortunately we don't have Embid. So this team will be a 33 win team, only more expensive.

[Tomjas]

How do you guys like this:

Kings get Simmons+Harris+Curry
Curry, Hali, Simmons, harris, Holmes -- Davion, TD2, Harkless, Len

76ers get Fox+Hield+Barnes
Fox, Hield, Green, Barnes, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, Korkmaz, Niang, Drummond

That’s a massive overpay by the Sixers as they’re trading 60% of the starters on a #1 seed for some guys that can’t sniff .500

Embiid is the reason for the 1 seed and you know it

Joel is playing this season

Voldemort isn’t

That’s the difference

[sacking123]

That’s a massive overpay by the Sixers as they’re trading 60% of the starters on a #1 seed for some guys that can’t sniff .500

Embiid is the reason for the 1 seed and you know it

Joel is playing this season

Voldemort isn’t

That’s the difference

Not saying this is a trade either team should do. I personally would be skeptical due to Harris, but it's certainly good value for the Kings overall and why worry about cap space if you're the Kings?
However, the record with and without Joel is undeniable if statsmuse is correct.

Record with All-Time
180-98 - .647

Record Without All-Time
58-84 - .408

Record with this season
12-6 - .666

Record without this season
3-8 - .273

The record without Simmons is 32-31 - .508. Record with is 178-97 - .647.

[LightTheBeam]

That’s a massive overpay by the Sixers as they’re trading 60% of the starters on a #1 seed for some guys that can’t sniff .500

Embiid is the reason for the 1 seed and you know it

Joel is playing this season

Voldemort isn’t

That’s the difference

And the sixers started 8-2 before half the team went out. Seems like they haven't been able to find a rhythm since then.

But they are 12-5 when embid plays. On pace for nearly 60 wins without Simmons.

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[Tomjas]

Embiid is the reason for the 1 seed and you know it

Joel is playing this season

Voldemort isn’t

That’s the difference

And the sixers started 8-2 before half the team went out. Seems like they haven't been able to find a rhythm since then.

But they are 12-5 when embid plays. On pace for nearly 60 wins without Simmons.

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That was the honeymoon period and now reality is setting in

The Sixers defence is being shredded and they’re being killed on the boards plus they don’t have anyone who can make an entry pass to Embiid

To make matters worse, Joel is being worn down as a result of being forced to play hard on both ends to keep the team competitive

[LightTheBeam]

Joel is playing this season

Voldemort isn’t

That’s the difference

And the sixers started 8-2 before half the team went out. Seems like they haven't been able to find a rhythm since then.

But they are 12-5 when embid plays. On pace for nearly 60 wins without Simmons.

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That was the honeymoon period and now reality is setting in

The Sixers defence is being shredded and they’re being killed on the boards plus they don’t have anyone who can make an entry pass to Embiid

To make matters worse, Joel is being worn down as a result of being forced to play hard on both ends to keep the team competitive

Well it doesn't seem like Simmons is coming back. We will see if they get it together. . I'd assume that they shouldn't be as good without Simmons, but so far this year they have been when embid plays. The real question is does swapping Simmons for a decent player make them better or worse. They could use a real pg, but that tends to happen when you've planned like you have Simmons.

I just don't see the pt of swapping Simmons and fox. Simmons isn't an elite scorer or 1st option. This team needs to add one of those next to fox.

I'm not a fan of that swap at all.

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[sacking123]

And the sixers started 8-2 before half the team went out. Seems like they haven't been able to find a rhythm since then.

But they are 12-5 when embid plays. On pace for nearly 60 wins without Simmons.

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That was the honeymoon period and now reality is setting in

The Sixers defence is being shredded and they’re being killed on the boards plus they don’t have anyone who can make an entry pass to Embiid

To make matters worse, Joel is being worn down as a result of being forced to play hard on both ends to keep the team competitive

Well it doesn't seem like Simmons is coming back. We will see if they get it together. . I'd assume that they shouldn't be as good without Simmons, but so far this year they have been when embid plays. The real question is does swapping Simmons for a decent player make them better or worse. They could use a real pg, but that tends to happen when you've planned like you have Simmons.

I just don't see the pt of swapping Simmons and fox. Simmons isn't an elite scorer or 1st option. This team needs to add one of those next to fox.

I'm not a fan of that swap at all.

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That's always been my question. Who is going to be the #1 option if Fox is traded, not just for Simmons, but anyone.

Fox might be a flawed #1 option, but who in the hell would make Harris a #1 option? Because if you trot out Curry, Hali, Simmons, harris, Holmes as your starting 5, you better be tanking for a sure fire #1 scoring option because that lot will struggle.

That is why, when you already have 3 PGs that can all be starters in the league right now, you shouldn't trade for another (Simmons) with just one of them. If it were to upgrade and trade 2 of them, maybe, but right now, the Kings should be looking to pick their PG of the future out of the 3 and unless a scorer is coming back, Fox is staying.

[Tomjas]

That was the honeymoon period and now reality is setting in

The Sixers defence is being shredded and they’re being killed on the boards plus they don’t have anyone who can make an entry pass to Embiid

To make matters worse, Joel is being worn down as a result of being forced to play hard on both ends to keep the team competitive

Well it doesn't seem like Simmons is coming back. We will see if they get it together. . I'd assume that they shouldn't be as good without Simmons, but so far this year they have been when embid plays. The real question is does swapping Simmons for a decent player make them better or worse. They could use a real pg, but that tends to happen when you've planned like you have Simmons.

I just don't see the pt of swapping Simmons and fox. Simmons isn't an elite scorer or 1st option. This team needs to add one of those next to fox.

I'm not a fan of that swap at all.

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That's always been my question. Who is going to be the #1 option if Fox is traded, not just for Simmons, but anyone.

Fox might be a flawed #1 option, but who in the hell would make Harris a #1 option? Because if you trot out Curry, Hali, Simmons, harris, Holmes as your starting 5, you better be tanking for a sure fire #1 scoring option because that lot will struggle.

That is why, when you already have 3 PGs that can all be starters in the league right now, you shouldn't trade for another (Simmons) with just one of them. If it were to upgrade and trade 2 of them, maybe, but right now, the Kings should be looking to pick their PG of the future out of the 3 and unless a scorer is coming back, Fox is staying.

Tbh, Fox is not a good fit on the Sixers either due to his lack of defence and average 3pt shooting

Under normal circumstances, Harris would be our biggest problem as he doesn’t fit with either Joel or Ben & hampers both

Today was typical Tobias

24 meaningless points and **** defence

And then there’s his absurd contract…

[LightTheBeam]

Well it doesn't seem like Simmons is coming back. We will see if they get it together. . I'd assume that they shouldn't be as good without Simmons, but so far this year they have been when embid plays. The real question is does swapping Simmons for a decent player make them better or worse. They could use a real pg, but that tends to happen when you've planned like you have Simmons.

I just don't see the pt of swapping Simmons and fox. Simmons isn't an elite scorer or 1st option. This team needs to add one of those next to fox.

I'm not a fan of that swap at all.

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That's always been my question. Who is going to be the #1 option if Fox is traded, not just for Simmons, but anyone.

Fox might be a flawed #1 option, but who in the hell would make Harris a #1 option? Because if you trot out Curry, Hali, Simmons, harris, Holmes as your starting 5, you better be tanking for a sure fire #1 scoring option because that lot will struggle.

That is why, when you already have 3 PGs that can all be starters in the league right now, you shouldn't trade for another (Simmons) with just one of them. If it were to upgrade and trade 2 of them, maybe, but right now, the Kings should be looking to pick their PG of the future out of the 3 and unless a scorer is coming back, Fox is staying.

Tbh, Fox is not a good fit on the Sixers either due to his lack of defence and average 3pt shooting

Under normal circumstances, Harris would be our biggest problem as he doesn’t fit with either Joel or Ben & hampers both

Today was typical Tobias

24 meaningless points and **** defence

And then there’s his absurd contract…

Refreshing to hear this from a Sixers fan. Most on the T&T board defend him.

35+ million for a guy who is at best a 3rd option, doesn't play defense, and doesn't have any other meaningful skills? I wouldn't want him in any trade, and if he was coming back Id expect to get paid handsomely for him. Some Kings fans think forget cap space we don't need it in Sac, but its more about flexibility. Having him take up your cap space just hamstrings your team given what he provides.

[sacking123]

Well it doesn't seem like Simmons is coming back. We will see if they get it together. . I'd assume that they shouldn't be as good without Simmons, but so far this year they have been when embid plays. The real question is does swapping Simmons for a decent player make them better or worse. They could use a real pg, but that tends to happen when you've planned like you have Simmons.

I just don't see the pt of swapping Simmons and fox. Simmons isn't an elite scorer or 1st option. This team needs to add one of those next to fox.

I'm not a fan of that swap at all.

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That's always been my question. Who is going to be the #1 option if Fox is traded, not just for Simmons, but anyone.

Fox might be a flawed #1 option, but who in the hell would make Harris a #1 option? Because if you trot out Curry, Hali, Simmons, harris, Holmes as your starting 5, you better be tanking for a sure fire #1 scoring option because that lot will struggle.

That is why, when you already have 3 PGs that can all be starters in the league right now, you shouldn't trade for another (Simmons) with just one of them. If it were to upgrade and trade 2 of them, maybe, but right now, the Kings should be looking to pick their PG of the future out of the 3 and unless a scorer is coming back, Fox is staying.

Tbh, Fox is not a good fit on the Sixers either due to his lack of defence and average 3pt shooting

Under normal circumstances, Harris would be our biggest problem as he doesn’t fit with either Joel or Ben & hampers both

Today was typical Tobias

24 meaningless points and **** defence

And then there’s his absurd contract…

Yeah I do agree. Fox isn't the ideal fit, I think more so because of his lack of shooting. I don't think the 6ers should add anyone that can't shoot at a good clip and Fox simply isn't that player.

[LightTheBeam]

That's always been my question. Who is going to be the #1 option if Fox is traded, not just for Simmons, but anyone.

Fox might be a flawed #1 option, but who in the hell would make Harris a #1 option? Because if you trot out Curry, Hali, Simmons, harris, Holmes as your starting 5, you better be tanking for a sure fire #1 scoring option because that lot will struggle.

That is why, when you already have 3 PGs that can all be starters in the league right now, you shouldn't trade for another (Simmons) with just one of them. If it were to upgrade and trade 2 of them, maybe, but right now, the Kings should be looking to pick their PG of the future out of the 3 and unless a scorer is coming back, Fox is staying.

This is just the stages of being a Kings fan man.

Fox was the hope, he was the future, we gave him unrealistic expectations to drag a bad team with the worst coach in the league into the playoffs. Now reality set in, he's not a superstar or a top 10 player. But of course, its always doom or gloom with fans, so because hes not a top 10 guy, suddenly hes the problem.

Sure he started off slow. But players have bad months. That doesn't suddenly mean they are bad players. I'm far more interested in using some assets to add another elite talent next to him. Nothing should be nailed to the floor for this team (Fox included), but IMO he should be the last one to move.

[LightTheBeam]

That's always been my question. Who is going to be the #1 option if Fox is traded, not just for Simmons, but anyone.

Fox might be a flawed #1 option, but who in the hell would make Harris a #1 option? Because if you trot out Curry, Hali, Simmons, harris, Holmes as your starting 5, you better be tanking for a sure fire #1 scoring option because that lot will struggle.

That is why, when you already have 3 PGs that can all be starters in the league right now, you shouldn't trade for another (Simmons) with just one of them. If it were to upgrade and trade 2 of them, maybe, but right now, the Kings should be looking to pick their PG of the future out of the 3 and unless a scorer is coming back, Fox is staying.

Tbh, Fox is not a good fit on the Sixers either due to his lack of defence and average 3pt shooting

Under normal circumstances, Harris would be our biggest problem as he doesn’t fit with either Joel or Ben & hampers both

Today was typical Tobias

24 meaningless points and **** defence

And then there’s his absurd contract…

Yeah I do agree. Fox isn't the ideal fit, I think more so because of his lack of shooting. I don't think the 6ers should add anyone that can't shoot at a good clip and Fox simply isn't that player.

The problem here is that the Sixers want to take Simmons, and swap him for a star who can shoot, defend, and be a 2nd option.

Why would a team that has a player like that, trade them for Simmons?

Simmons can't shoot, hes holding out, hes mentally weak (not talking about mental health issues, talking about on the floor), hes not a 1st option type of talent. Hes not young anymore where a team thinks they can mold him and develop him further. And clearly hes hard to build around because of those limitations.

Teams are looking at Simmons and saying, boy id like to add him to my already established star. Here lies the issue. Most teams trading a Simmons are looking for a rebuilding package, the Sixers aren't. So if you want an equally established star, you need to wait for a Beal/Lillard to say they want out. Maybe that will happen, maybe it won't. It seems thats where we are right now in this whole process.

[KF10]

Everyone on this roster should be available during any trade talks. No one is untouchable.

I like to keep Fox, Hali and Mitchell but if a trade is to be made, then so be it.

[rzzzzz]

Simmons can't shoot, hes holding out, hes mentally weak (not talking about mental health issues, talking about on the floor), hes not a 1st option type of talent. Hes not young anymore where a team thinks they can mold him and develop him further. And clearly hes hard to build around because of those limitations.

I’m pretty sure Simmons and Rich Paul went down the list of conditions on the Players’ Association agreement to come up with an excuse for him to get paid while not playing. That doesn’t mean there’s anything admirable about the way he’s gone about forcing a trade. But he sure did like having s team schemed around him his rookie year when Embiid was out, and he was the first option in a successful winning streak to end the regular season. Amazing transition player, who went deer in the headlights when the good coaches stymied him in the half court, in the playoffs. Magic wanted a crack at him, and so does Pop. As it is, you can build around him to succeed in the regular season, but he needs to be reconfigured for the post-season. The fact that he was enthusiastic about the Dubs is intriguing, cause he knows he’d have to adjust for them. I don’t know, but I wish we could get him back on the court.

[LightTheBeam]

Simmons can't shoot, hes holding out, hes mentally weak (not talking about mental health issues, talking about on the floor), hes not a 1st option type of talent. Hes not young anymore where a team thinks they can mold him and develop him further. And clearly hes hard to build around because of those limitations.

I’m pretty sure Simmons and Rich Paul went down the list of conditions on the Players’ Association agreement to come up with an excuse for him to get paid while not playing. That doesn’t mean there’s anything admirable about the way he’s gone about forcing a trade. But he sure did like having s team schemed around him his rookie year when Embiid was out, and he was the first option in a successful winning streak to end the regular season. Amazing transition player, who went deer in the headlights when the good coaches stymied him in the half court, in the playoffs. Magic wanted a crack at him, and so does Pop. As it is, you can build around him to succeed in the regular season, but he needs to be reconfigured for the post-season. The fact that he was enthusiastic about the Dubs is intriguing, cause he knows he’d have to adjust for them. I don’t know, but I wish we could get him back on the court.

Hard to say. Even his rookie season, they went 51-30 when he played.

When Embid played they went 41-22

10-8 in the games Simmons played without Embid. Not a super promising outlook. Especially considering 9 of those wins were 1 single win streak vs mostly bad teams

Atlanta (2x) (finished season with 24 wins)
Charlotte (36 wins)
Brooklyn (28 wins)
Detroit (39 wins)
Dallas (24 wins)

I haven't seen Simmons really lead a team. But the trend says that when Embid doesn't play, Philly is usually closer to an under .500 ball club.

2017 - 41-22 with Embid. 10 and 8 without.
2018 - 43-21 with Embid. 8 and 10 without
2019 - 32-19 with Embid. 11 and 11 without.
2020 - 39-12 with Embid. 10 and 11 without.

Id argue if you look at the Kings cast outside of Fox, and the Sixers cast outside of Embid & Simmons. It still isn't very favorable for Sac. And we know our organization is awful and coaching sucks. So Id be shocked if that made any significant impact on this team.

[sacking123]

Tbh, Fox is not a good fit on the Sixers either due to his lack of defence and average 3pt shooting

Under normal circumstances, Harris would be our biggest problem as he doesn’t fit with either Joel or Ben & hampers both

Today was typical Tobias

24 meaningless points and **** defence

And then there’s his absurd contract…

Yeah I do agree. Fox isn't the ideal fit, I think more so because of his lack of shooting. I don't think the 6ers should add anyone that can't shoot at a good clip and Fox simply isn't that player.

The problem here is that the Sixers want to take Simmons, and swap him for a star who can shoot, defend, and be a 2nd option.

Why would a team that has a player like that, trade them for Simmons?

Simmons can't shoot, hes holding out, hes mentally weak (not talking about mental health issues, talking about on the floor), hes not a 1st option type of talent. Hes not young anymore where a team thinks they can mold him and develop him further. And clearly hes hard to build around because of those limitations.

Teams are looking at Simmons and saying, boy id like to add him to my already established star. Here lies the issue. Most teams trading a Simmons are looking for a rebuilding package, the Sixers aren't. So if you want an equally established star, you need to wait for a Beal/Lillard to say they want out. Maybe that will happen, maybe it won't. It seems thats where we are right now in this whole process.

Exactly. This has been my whole thing with Morey. I don't blame him for holding out for a star player, but let's say either Beal or Dame want out.
Why in the hell would either of those teams want Simmons?
They would both rebuild and other teams will be able to give a better rebuilding package. The bad thing about Simmons is that despite him being a prodigious talent, how would these 2 teams build a contender around him?
Outside of these two, both of whom I don't see asking out until at least the off-season, who else is on the verge and is in the top 20-30 players? Brown in Boston?
Apparently, Morey has his excel file with his own calculations of how many wins a player would add, so whoever it is out of the top 30 also need to tick that box.
As a test, I encourage everyone to write down who you think the top 30/40 players are and then see if it would make sense for that team to trade for Simmons. There simply aren't many at all so I would think the market for a top 30-40 player is really bare.

[Tomjas]

Yeah I do agree. Fox isn't the ideal fit, I think more so because of his lack of shooting. I don't think the 6ers should add anyone that can't shoot at a good clip and Fox simply isn't that player.

The problem here is that the Sixers want to take Simmons, and swap him for a star who can shoot, defend, and be a 2nd option.

Why would a team that has a player like that, trade them for Simmons?

Simmons can't shoot, hes holding out, hes mentally weak (not talking about mental health issues, talking about on the floor), hes not a 1st option type of talent. Hes not young anymore where a team thinks they can mold him and develop him further. And clearly hes hard to build around because of those limitations.

Teams are looking at Simmons and saying, boy id like to add him to my already established star. Here lies the issue. Most teams trading a Simmons are looking for a rebuilding package, the Sixers aren't. So if you want an equally established star, you need to wait for a Beal/Lillard to say they want out. Maybe that will happen, maybe it won't. It seems thats where we are right now in this whole process.

Exactly. This has been my whole thing with Morey. I don't blame him for holding out for a star player, but let's say either Beal or Dame want out.
Why in the hell would either of those teams want Simmons?
They would both rebuild and other teams will be able to give a better rebuilding package. The bad thing about Simmons is that despite him being a prodigious talent, how would these 2 teams build a contender around him?
Outside of these two, both of whom I don't see asking out until at least the off-season, who else is on the verge and is in the top 20-30 players? Brown in Boston?
Apparently, Morey has his excel file with his own calculations of how many wins a player would add, so whoever it is out of the top 30 also need to tick that box.
As a test, I encourage everyone to write down who you think the top 30/40 players are and then see if it would make sense for that team to trade for Simmons. There simply aren't many at all so I would think the market for a top 30-40 player is really bare.

It’s not that simple

If the Sixers trade Ben for Beal straight up, we would be worse if Simmons was actually playing

Look at today’s game (actually don’t as it was awful), we got smashed on the boards (again) and on defence (again).

Beal helps with neither

It’s rumoured that Morey wants to keep Simmons and that’s one of the reasons why the ask is sky high

The other is that he contributes to winning a boatload of games

Very complicated situation

[BoogieTime]

The problem here is that the Sixers want to take Simmons, and swap him for a star who can shoot, defend, and be a 2nd option.

Why would a team that has a player like that, trade them for Simmons?

Simmons can't shoot, hes holding out, hes mentally weak (not talking about mental health issues, talking about on the floor), hes not a 1st option type of talent. Hes not young anymore where a team thinks they can mold him and develop him further. And clearly hes hard to build around because of those limitations.

Teams are looking at Simmons and saying, boy id like to add him to my already established star. Here lies the issue. Most teams trading a Simmons are looking for a rebuilding package, the Sixers aren't. So if you want an equally established star, you need to wait for a Beal/Lillard to say they want out. Maybe that will happen, maybe it won't. It seems thats where we are right now in this whole process.

Exactly. This has been my whole thing with Morey. I don't blame him for holding out for a star player, but let's say either Beal or Dame want out.
Why in the hell would either of those teams want Simmons?
They would both rebuild and other teams will be able to give a better rebuilding package. The bad thing about Simmons is that despite him being a prodigious talent, how would these 2 teams build a contender around him?
Outside of these two, both of whom I don't see asking out until at least the off-season, who else is on the verge and is in the top 20-30 players? Brown in Boston?
Apparently, Morey has his excel file with his own calculations of how many wins a player would add, so whoever it is out of the top 30 also need to tick that box.
As a test, I encourage everyone to write down who you think the top 30/40 players are and then see if it would make sense for that team to trade for Simmons. There simply aren't many at all so I would think the market for a top 30-40 player is really bare.

It’s not that simple

If the Sixers trade Ben for Beal straight up, we would be worse if Simmons was actually playing

Look at today’s game (actually don’t as it was awful), we got smashed on the boards (again) and on defence (again).

Beal helps with neither

It’s rumoured that Morey wants to keep Simmons and that’s one of the reasons why the ask is sky high

The other is that he contributes to winning a boatload of games

Very complicated situation

Its not Morey's decision, its Bens. Hes not playing for Philly again, and his value is declining the longer this goes on

[BoogieTime]

Tyrese has been deferring to Fox, but the team is better with the ball in his hands, and he looked free tonight

I'm still a bit unsure of that marriage. Fox is going to have to do a better job off ball and obviously shooting. But I guess Id have some of the same concerns with Simmons as well (though I'd still personally make the Simmons/Fox move)

[Madd Squabbles]

Oh yeah definitely too large to do all at once. Maybe Monte will let it flow after he gets the first deal out of the way lol.
I think they could be split up, something like the first 2 trades soon. The Brown and multi-team trade right near the deadline and then the Thad one at the last minute if SA doesn't get a better draft pick.

I think we all agree the team needs change and I really don't think the 3 PGs can co-exist. They all want to run the team and it just won't work.
I think we're a little light on a couple of these so it would be lucky, but Brown would be my first target and then Turner. The trio of Fox/Brown/Turner could end up being really good and Reddish is the wildcard. I think the team that gets him and signs him to a long extension (within reason $ wise) is going to get a chance to build a title team with a #2-#4 that is getting paid well below market.
The hard thing is with all this, trading in and out guys without knowing who the head coach is going to be. Not that it's a huge deal, it's just not ideal. Perhaps Monte would have a decent idea on who his target would be though.

I like Reddish as well, definitely a wild card type who needs more opportunity to grow.

Bulls fans on the trade board seem torn on a package around Williams + 1st + salary for Barnes.

If we would pull something like that off, then use that 1st to get Reddish Id be super happy. Probably more realistic is calling Phx and getting Johnson + 1st + salary, then flipping that 1st for Reddish.

I'm going to keep my expectations very low, but I'm really hoping that Barnes/Buddy are moved, and we get some young forwards who can run with the team and play defense.

That's way too much for Barnes. Williams is a good young player and only 2 years removed from being the 4th player picked in the draft. If Bulls even offer (doubtful) Williams and filler its more than plenty.