Trade Idea Thread 15-16

[Castor_Troy]

The team had an attractive offer on the table for Tobias Harris before he was dealt to Detroit on Tuesday, according to sources. Adding a stretch-four makes sense for Sacramento, but it also makes Koufos extremely expendable. He’s a great locker room guy, but he may not be a great fit for this club in its current construction.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/kings/sources-kings-getting-calls-gay-mclemore-belinelli-koufos


If this is true and we had Tobias Harris offered to us for KK, why didn't Vlade jump on this? Anyone else see this offered to us or am I reading this wrong?

Think you are reading it wrong. Kings had a strong offer on the table, but the Magic decided to go with the Pistons offer instead.

[City of Trees]

The team had an attractive offer on the table for Tobias Harris before he was dealt to Detroit on Tuesday, according to sources. Adding a stretch-four makes sense for Sacramento, but it also makes Koufos extremely expendable. He’s a great locker room guy, but he may not be a great fit for this club in its current construction.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/kings/sources-kings-getting-calls-gay-mclemore-belinelli-koufos


If this is true and we had Tobias Harris offered to us for KK, why didn't Vlade jump on this? Anyone else see this offered to us or am I reading this wrong?

Think you are reading it wrong. Kings had a strong offer on the table, but the Magic decided to go with the Pistons offer instead.

This is how I read it as well... Detroit opted for another deal.

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[mg]

After reviewing some stats, put me on the Shumpert/Sefolosha hype train. Give 'em Ben.

That's an easy yes for Ben or Marco. Kings need someone in the backcourt that can play a semblance of defense.

[Silver Man]

After reviewing some stats, put me on the Shumpert/Sefolosha hype train. Give 'em Ben.

That's an easy yes for Ben or Marco. Kings need someone in the backcourt that can play a semblance of defense.

Marco yes, Ben no.

[jeffjtk1234]

Make it happen we aren't good now and have mortgaged the future try in any way to get better in the current


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[City of Trees]

Yeah I'm not onboard trading Ben for Shump. Marco hell yes.

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[City of Trees]

In the season of BS writing, I give you the guy who thinks Gay could end up in Toronto. Again.

http://probballreport.com/could-rudy-gay-be-the-raptors-fallback-trade-target/

[SacKingZZZ]

His synergy with Cousins is good, and has worked better than utilizing Rudy/Omri at PF I'm guessing for the same reason it might be better than Anderson and Cuz. He's also our top young player, and I don't know about benching him when Cuz/WCS are forming something good. Then there is the issue of $, we are going to have s finite amount and other pressing positions

I guess we will see. Management has a lot to think about, whoever that is at the end of the season

I respect your opinion and I think WCS has a lot of potential and he will be really good in the future.But one of the main reasons why our defence is the worst in the league is that we play with two centers which results in open shots for the opposition.Karl is one of the problems I can see that but it is not only because of Karl.Cousins-Koufos or Cousins-WCS or WCS-Koufos.None of these combinations work and we are getting killed in defence because of it.These combinations made Gortat look like an all star.I think we all remember how Ryan Anderson played against us.So if both of these guys will stay in the floor at the same time A LOT of things needs to change in our defence.WCS is a guy who can and will be able to defend all players in the league in future.But right now his defensive knowledge isn't there.And in offence spacing is still an issue.We all want Cousins to play from inside.Thats not gonna happen when WCS is on the floor until he devolops a good mid range.Do you remember when we had a winning streak before Casspi was injured?Thats because we played 4 small 1 big.After the injury of Casspi Karl never tried that again in starting 5.Good EL teams like Fenerbahce can score 100+ to us if we continue to play with Cousins+WCS(Koufos)+Mclemore(Belinelli).This combination shows one of the worst D I ve ever seen in NBA.If something magical happens and Cousins starts to make defence like 2014-2015 Cuz,Mclemore and Belinelli gets traded I am ok with that but I dont see that happening

I hold a different view. I think the defense/rebounding is worse with a non defensive PF and that our defensive problems now start on the perimeter (Rondo/Belinelli/Gay) and the ridiculous pace (WCS runs the floor) and would be worse with a non defensive PF like Anderson. It was just posted in the other thread the lineup with our best NetRng has WCS instead of Casspi

If you want to call WCS a center as you'd like, but I think our front office drafted him to play next to Cousins, and IMO it stunts his development bringing in another guy at his position who will expect to start in the next 4-5 years like Anderson. IMO WCS is the future, and it might play with his confidence to bench him

I think we can agree though that the Kings have other more pressing issues, like SG, and we won't have money this summer to afford two big name players IMO

But yes, I agree everyone has their own opinion

The thing about Willie is that he can defend PF's and C'sso as a utility guy off the bench he will play plenty with Cuz and without. As for development, eh. He's already 22 going on 23. He's not fully developed, especially physically but when you draft older players the pay off is quicker results, but the ceiling is a tad bit lower as a result. If he's going to improve in any area at a drastic level it's going to have to be on the practice floor in the offseason most likely.

[SacKingZZZ]

http://www.csnbayarea.com/kings/sources-kings-getting-calls-gay-mclemore-belinelli-koufos


If this is true and we had Tobias Harris offered to us for KK, why didn't Vlade jump on this? Anyone else see this offered to us or am I reading this wrong?

Think you are reading it wrong. Kings had a strong offer on the table, but the Magic decided to go with the Pistons offer instead.

This is how I read it as well... Detroit opted for another deal.

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Yeah, they went for the salary dump.

I'd be a little disappointed if Vlade has a death grip on KK. He's nice to have, but nothing the team can't live without and it's obvious that he and Willie will continue to get in each others way. The 3 headed C monster hasn't worked, and it probably won't work long term. Who knows under a different coach though. Still, it probably won't work anyway.

[SacKingZZZ]

Yeah I'm not onboard trading Ben for Shump. Marco hell yes.

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I'm still OK with a Ben/KK for Moz/Shump deal. The Kings get to take a look at Mozgov who Karl already knows, and if it doesn't work they cleared some salary for the offseason. If they are truly targeting Anderson, there is most likely little to no chance to re-sign Rondo and sign someone like Anderson. They have to prepare the cap first.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

Yeah I'm not onboard trading Ben for Shump. Marco hell yes.

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I'm still OK with a Ben/KK for Moz/Shump deal. The Kings get to take a look at Mozgov who Karl already knows, and if it doesn't work they cleared some salary for the offseason. If they are truly targeting Anderson, there is most likely little to no chance to re-sign Rondo and sign someone like Anderson. They have to prepare the cap first.

I agree. I like the idea of McLemore/Koufos for Mozgov/Shumpert. Let Mozgov walk in free agency and sign hometown Ryan Anderson. Combining rumors and my wish list this is what I'd like to see happen.

Trade Marco Belinelli/Kosta Koufos/Caron Butler for Mozgov/Shumpert/future pick. Trade Ben McLemore/James Anderson to Hawks for Thabo Sefolosha. Trade pick obtained from Cavs to Hornets for Troy Daniels. We'd finish the season looking like this:

Rajon Rondo/Darren Collison/Seth Curry
Iman Shumpert/Troy Daniels
Omri Casspi/Thabo Sefolosha
Rudy Gay/Willie Cauley-Stein/Quincy Acy
DeMarcus Cousins/Timofey Mozgov

Shumpert and Sefolosha improve defense on wing significantly. Daniels showed us what he can do when given the opportunity (shoot).

Roll with that for rest of season then replace Mozgov with Ryan Anderson this offseason.

[jeffjtk1234]

Just don't see vlade making any big moves. I don't have a ton of faith in him right now, and if they really are looking for a gm I can't see big moves going down.


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[codydaze]

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Interesting. A deal based around Shumpert for Ben has been talked about quite a bit by a lot of national media guys so it should be interesting to see what ends up happening. I, for one, am down for a Shumpert/Moz for Ben/Kosta/Butler deal.

[KF10]

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[KF10]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ChrisMannixYS/status/700175498287173632[/tweet]

We looking at Pau Gasol, huh?

[KF10]

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[KF10]

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[teerfour+40LG]

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I figured lowering the protection on the pick would come into play with the Bulls, but I was thinking about Nikola Mirotic rather than Pau. Pau could walk this summer, so we could be lowering the protection for absolutely nothing, unless we got Mirotic or Taj.

[City of Trees]

Umm, don't we have to talk with Philly about lowering the pick? Isn't it stated the lick swap happens 1-12, which is specific. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

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[teerfour+40LG]

Umm, don't we have to talk with Philly about lowering the pick? Isn't it stated the lick swap happens 1-12, which is specific. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

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Our pick is protected 11-30 against Philly, so they have the right to swap if we have picks 1-10.

Either way, we will have a pick. We just have to remind the Bulls that Philly has the right to switch picks with us, so they might end up with Philly's pick instead of ours, but they will get a pick either way.