Kings Trade Thread

[kalenclayton]

Valid points I agree.

However that doesnt mean Sacramento cant jump into a Harrell trade.

Our Kings board community isnt large enough where we need multiple trade threads. The thread is titled Kings Trade thread but its well within topic to discuss players from other teams who might be on the block.

That’s fine. I put in the “wink” face because I thought you may have put this on the Kings board because they may be interested.

Don’t get me wrong, I love Harrell and have wanted him on the Kings for years, but I just don’t think this team is right for him. We would lose him in the summer unless Vlade decides to hand out a stupid contract. We shouldn’t be paying centers anymore. It’s the most replaceable position and only a few players really deserve the money.

I don’t think he’s a center

I love Harrell, but don’t know about paying anything for UFAs when we arguably don’t need to be getting better. But there is an argument for checking his status before matching BOgi with James looking decent

Holmes/Harrell playing together may not exactly be symmetrical but i wouldn’t mind it

I’m pretty sure Harrell is a center, both by team designation and metrics. NBA.com has his position as F-C, but sites like b-ball reference have him estimated exclusively at C (->play by play). https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harremo01.html

Regardless, I agree that we should probably be losing. I don’t know why we would try to trade Bogi for Harrell though. Bogi is restricted and Harrell can be lost right after the season.

I would love a Harrell-Holmes lineup just because of hustle. I’m afraid the spacing would be terrible though.

[City of Trees]

I was thinking along the lines of a 3 team deal.

Sac trades
Dedmon

Sac receives
Exp from 3rd team
_________________


LA Clips trade
Trezz

LA Clips receive
Asset from 3rd team
Dedmon
___________________


3rd team trades
Asset to Clips
Exp to Sac

3rd team receives
Trezz

[KF10]

At some point, they just gotta clean house from the top and bottom.

I still like my “give the blank check to Hinkie” and get out of his way option.

Dude can tank and gather assets like no other and will have a title contending team in the near future.

[BoogieTime]

At some point, they just gotta clean house from the top and bottom.

I still like my “give the blank check to Hinkie” and get out of his way option.

Dude can tank and gather assets like no other and will have a title contending team in the near future.

I wish man. Just don’t see the ownership paying for him/possibly his coaching staff while paying for this one now

[KF10]

I wish man. Just don’t see the ownership paying for him/possibly his coaching staff while paying for this one now

Yeah it’s a pipe dream.

Most likely scenario is canning Walton and hire one of the assistant coaches or from the bargain bin from the failed coaches. Do one or two deals to rid off Dedmon and whatever. Draft a bust. Haggle with Bogi over the offseason. Semi-commit to a rebuild. And not reach 35 wins next season but not terrible enough to get a top-3 pick.

Rinse and repeat.

sucks man.

[BoogieTime]

That’s fine. I put in the “wink” face because I thought you may have put this on the Kings board because they may be interested.

Don’t get me wrong, I love Harrell and have wanted him on the Kings for years, but I just don’t think this team is right for him. We would lose him in the summer unless Vlade decides to hand out a stupid contract. We shouldn’t be paying centers anymore. It’s the most replaceable position and only a few players really deserve the money.

I don’t think he’s a center

I love Harrell, but don’t know about paying anything for UFAs when we arguably don’t need to be getting better. But there is an argument for checking his status before matching BOgi with James looking decent

Holmes/Harrell playing together may not exactly be symmetrical but i wouldn’t mind it

I’m pretty sure Harrell is a center, both by team designation and metrics. NBA.com has his position as F-C, but sites like b-ball reference have him estimated exclusively at C (->play by play). https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harremo01.html

Regardless, I agree that we should probably be losing. I don’t know why we would try to trade Bogi for Harrell though. Bogi is restricted and Harrell can be lost right after the season.

I would love a Harrell-Holmes lineup just because of hustle. I’m afraid the spacing would be terrible though.

I meant checking his status in free agency before matching Bogi’s RFA offer

We should do that with VanVleet too

BOgi is a nice player, but if you can throw 20 at a real potential difference maker over 15 for BOgi, I’d check it

[SmellingColors]

I wish man. Just don’t see the ownership paying for him/possibly his coaching staff while paying for this one now

Yeah it’s a pipe dream.

Most likely scenario is canning Walton and hire one of the assistant coaches or from the bargain bin from the failed coaches. Do one or two deals to rid off Dedmon and whatever. Draft a bust. Haggle with Bogi over the offseason. Semi-commit to a rebuild. And not reach 35 wins next season but not terrible enough to get a top-3 pick.

Rinse and repeat.

sucks man.

The most frustrating thing about all this is our coaching job before Walton was hired was probably the most desired opening in the league thanks in large part to the work Joerger put in. Now we're back to being a laughing stock. We had a real chance at grabbing a very good coach.

[LightTheBeam]

I'm as frustrated over this season as anyone. The reality is a few things -

1. Injuries. I get its not the end all excuse, but when our top 2 young guys who were supposed to take that leap get injured, its a killer. I know we were 12-12 at one point, but the reality is that with injuries, its hard to get the puzzle pieces together and takes time to get back from injury. Its also been a pretty constant thing. Fox/Bagley go out, they come back and Holmes/Bogdan go out. Its never ending.

2. New Coach. Walton sucks, this isn't an excuse for him. That said Walton took a bad Lakers team from 17 to 35 wins in 2 seasons. He didn't do a great job with Lebron, but the year prior he coached that team much further than they should have been. I also hated Joerger Foxs first year, the next year he loosened up and let the kids run.

3. How many games have we lost because of the refs? I read on reddit yesterday we were up to 9 L2M that have went against us on one of the final possessions. How many games have we lost by 5pts or less? I know we all want Fox to take over as the leader, but the kid just turned 22.

Its very unlikely that Vlade/Luke get fired year 1 together. The majority of us begged for Dedmon and thought he would be a great fit, its not Vlades fault he regressed. Holmes was an awesome pickup. He turned Ariza into 2 2nds. Joseph was my biggest gripe from the beginning of the season and still is. We as Kings fans begged to go for it this last summer, truth is we were a year away and probably shoulda have taken on low risk guys like Holmes. We are a small market and will never attract the big name guys. Vlade did the best with the resources he had.

I'll probably be wrong again, but i still have faith. We should try to do a mulligan on Dedmon/Joseph and find takers for them even if it costs us 2nds. Resign Bogdan, get a nice draft pick, and pray for health next year.

[OGSactownballer]

I’m actually intrigued as to what type of possibly available guy (KAT???) a package of Buddy/Dedmon/young filler (Harry or JJ) plus two future (‘21 top three or five protection; ‘23) FRP’s could bring?

By the time the money goes up to tax we’re a contender anyway and future deals can be made to spread it forward.

[kalenclayton]

I’m actually intrigued as to what type of possibly available guy (KAT???) a package of Buddy/Dedmon/young filler (Harry or JJ) plus two future (‘21 top three or five protection; ‘23) FRP’s could bring?

By the time the money goes up to tax we’re a contender anyway and future deals can be made to spread it forward.

They’re going to want more and rightfully so. Fox or Bagley would have to be included.

[codydaze]

I’m actually intrigued as to what type of possibly available guy (KAT???) a package of Buddy/Dedmon/young filler (Harry or JJ) plus two future (‘21 top three or five protection; ‘23) FRP’s could bring?

By the time the money goes up to tax we’re a contender anyway and future deals can be made to spread it forward.

They’re going to want more and rightfully so. Fox or Bagley would have to be included.

I would 100% be down to build a package around Buddy/Bagley for KAT but I think there's 0% chance Minnesota would.

[kalenclayton]

I’m actually intrigued as to what type of possibly available guy (KAT???) a package of Buddy/Dedmon/young filler (Harry or JJ) plus two future (‘21 top three or five protection; ‘23) FRP’s could bring?

By the time the money goes up to tax we’re a contender anyway and future deals can be made to spread it forward.

They’re going to want more and rightfully so. Fox or Bagley would have to be included.

I would 100% be down to build a package around Buddy/Bagley for KAT but I think there's 0% chance Minnesota would.

I agree they wouldn’t go for it. Fox and Towns would be amazing though. Your going to have have to really surround those two with high quality defenders who don’t kill your offense. Bogi becomes really important, while Barnes and Homes fit just right. The bench will be very weak, so f/u trades would be needed. It’s fun to dream.

[bleeds_purple]

Sixers supposedly targeting Bogi. Thybulle I would have happy to get in exchange. Doubt he would be on the table though.

[BoogieTime]

Sixers supposedly targeting Bogi. Thybulle I would have happy to get in exchange. Doubt he would be on the table though.

They are capped out now and in the future, so I don’t even know if they could pay BOgi in the summer.

Don’t know what the deal would be if they aren’t foisting salary on us, and they are trading for what could be a rental. Probably not enough to part with Bogdan

[City of Trees]

You guys know I'm onboard with almost any Thybulle trade.

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[OGSactownballer]

I’m actually intrigued as to what type of possibly available guy (KAT???) a package of Buddy/Dedmon/young filler (Harry or JJ) plus two future (‘21 top three or five protection; ‘23) FRP’s could bring?

By the time the money goes up to tax we’re a contender anyway and future deals can be made to spread it forward.

They’re going to want more and rightfully so. Fox or Bagley would have to be included.

Maybe.

But the noise is interest in picks.

I’d be fine even with unprotected in those years if that’s the deal. And either seconds or another future first for sweetener. You can always trade for another one later.

But if Bagley goes in the package (not Fox he’s the only totally untouchable as far as I am concerned) then the picks come out as you are sending him and Buddy.

[BoogieTime]

I’m actually intrigued as to what type of possibly available guy (KAT???) a package of Buddy/Dedmon/young filler (Harry or JJ) plus two future (‘21 top three or five protection; ‘23) FRP’s could bring?

By the time the money goes up to tax we’re a contender anyway and future deals can be made to spread it forward.

They’re going to want more and rightfully so. Fox or Bagley would have to be included.

Maybe.

But the noise is interest in picks.

I’d be fine even with unprotected in those years if that’s the deal. And either seconds or another future first for sweetener. You can always trade for another one later.

But if Bagley goes in the package (not Fox he’s the only totally untouchable as far as I am concerned) then the picks come out as you are sending him and Buddy.

I’m not Fox’s biggest fan, but I wouldn’t include him alone in a KAT trade. PGs are just more impactful in today’s game than offensive centers.

I think KAT is overrated personally, I often refer to that situation with him in Minnesota as Boogie/Sacramento treadmill two. I would do Bagley/Buddy for sure though, but Minnesota wouldn’t. I’d be hesitant of adding a couple of rebuilding picks, or even one good pick to that package. Offensive centers just aren’t it in today’s nba IMO

[jazanetti]

Fox more and more looks like Michael Carter-Williams. No progress in any aspect of his game... Below 70% FT! Man, just go to gym and practice until you die!
Starting to think that there's no untouchable players in this roster. I'm ready move them all for assets and start from the beginning.

[codydaze]

Fox more and more looks like Michael Carter-Williams. No progress in any aspect of his game... Below 70% FT! Man, just go to gym and practice until you die!
Starting to think that there's no untouchable players in this roster. I'm ready move them all for assets and start from the beginning.

I don't agree with the evaluation of Fox, sure his free throws have been really rough but he has definitely improved.

Last Year's Averages:
17.3 pts, 3.8 Reb, 7.3 Ast, 1.6 Stl, 2.8 TO on 49.7% eFG%, 54.4% TS%, 18.1 PER, .106 WS/48

This Year:
19.2 Pts, 4.2 Reb, 7.2 Ast, 1.5 Stl, 3.3 TO on 50.9% eFG%, 55.1% TS%, 20.2 PER, .109 WS/48

He's noticeably more aggressive attacking the rim as well and his been able to get to the cup at will almost this year and his free throw rate has even jumped from 37.8% to 40.3%. I do agree that we need to start stacking assets to get Fox some help though.

James Ham reported yesterday that we were likely to hold onto Bogi past the deadline which I think would be a huge mistake. I love Bogi but we need to move him while we can get the most assets we can.

[bleeds_purple]

Fox more and more looks like Michael Carter-Williams. No progress in any aspect of his game... Below 70% FT! Man, just go to gym and practice until you die!
Starting to think that there's no untouchable players in this roster. I'm ready move them all for assets and start from the beginning.

My guess is he's in his own head too much which is leading to a lot of missed close-range shots and free throws.

The only guys on the roster I want to keep are him, Bogi, James, Holmes, and Barnes. Ideal scenario for me is packaging Buddy, Bagley, and a pick for a guy like Bradley Beal. Buddy is a bonehead who's best suited as a microwave guy off the bench. Bagley I give higher chances on being a bust in this league than anything else although its too soon to tell.

The bigger problem is incompetent ownership, management, player development, and coaching. If you had an actual good coach on this team I have no doubt we'd have 10 extra wins. Everything would be different.