The TRADE Thread 2021

[LightTheBeam]

Come on man.. This is silly.

Would a package of Holmes, Woodard, Ramsey and a pick work for Brown?

Well brown hasnt been playing disinterested.

Brown doest have a better player than him playing beside him out of position.

That counter offer doesnt shed 10 million this years salary

Or shed around 40 million next season and ~100mill over the course of fox and buddies salary.

Player to player kings lose out I think, but a pick, a young guys andassive cap flexibilty i thought, would be close to covering the difference before Fox further hurts his value then demands a trade.

You sound like a Raps fan. I'm in favor of trading Fox, but this offer is just disrespectful.

Exactly.. It doesn't matter if we are in favor or not of trading Fox, we certainly won't be moving him for a late 1st and cap savings in Sacramento of all places.

[Goldbum]

Blazer fan here. I come in peace...
Would the kings consider
Bagley
4
Nurkic ?

[LightTheBeam]

Blazer fan here. I come in peace...
Would the kings consider
Bagley
4
Nurkic ?

Value seems more than good.

Problem is we already have 4 centers, and not many pfs on the roster.

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[Goldbum]

RoCo instead of Nurkic?

[sacking123]

RoCo instead of Nurkic?

I personally would but on one condition. The Kings believe they are close to the play in/play offs. If the goal is STILL make the PO or PI, then yes, otherwise, no point in this at all.

If Monte wants to go for it, 3pt shooting will improve, It's a slight upgrade from Bagley to Covington and if he can hit the corner 3 @ his same 32% like this year then it's worth it. Kings aren't keeping Bagley next year no matter what and if Covington has some sort of D game left in the bag we could use it down the stretch.

[GutUNC]

Amick:

"Five months later, with the Kings (16-23) barely hanging onto the 10th spot in this watered-down West, they’re still highly motivated to make the kind of significant move(s) that would both bolster their postseason chances in the present while giving them a runway for sustained success in the future. More specifically, sources say Kings owner Vivek Ranadive has continued to make it clear to McNair that he has the green light to do whatever is necessary to meet those goals. And while the Kings would prefer to keep building around De’Aaron Fox and Tyrese Haliburton, their strong appetite to improve means that no player is off the table in terms of potential talks.

Wherever there’s an impact player who can be had, in other words, they’ll be exploring the possibilities. And yes, as you likely wondered, that includes Philadelphia’s Ben Simmons.

While I reported in early September that a Kings-Simmons deal was looking very unlikely, that was long before team officials had a chance to see nearly half a season’s worth of (mostly subpar) play. Sacramento’s interest is definitely there.

Still, sources say the Sixers — who have been on the lookout for an All-Star in return for Simmons for so long now — have continued to ask for a massive haul in return while frustrating some suitors along the way. As such, some team executives remain convinced that Sixers president of basketball operations Daryl Morey is still waiting for Portland’s Damian Lillard or Washington’s Bradley Beal to be made available down the line (i.e. this summer at the earliest)"

[dozencousins]

Before I get into my update . Last time I gave a post was in regards to a 76ers trade & to be clear the info I gave last time was correct but as I did mention but had more to that offer pics etc. which I will likely never be able to gove exact details in regards to pics & terms of pics as that can all change a lot faster than specific players . 1 moment a team wants a lottery protected pic and next moment a top 5 protected pic etc. as examples .

Now Moving on ... Update a bit

We are talking with a lot of teams most notably : All this said . All I know as of know is we have talked in regards to all mentioned below & others of course . I do not know of any specific deal as of yet .

I know for sure we are in for major shake up & yes we will do at least 3 deals & as maany as 5 . Some bigger than others .
As of the moment I would say our best partners right now would be the Hawks & Pacers . Though Philly may still happen and the main hold up their is Philly is asking way to much in picks compinsation . If they or had they lowered that value a bt which they should a deal would had been done . I can tell everyone this . The longer Phily holds out the likelier a deal will not be agreed to by Monte as he is preparing to move on from talks as he cannnot wait until the very last momemt to get that deal done as he has to figure out other pieces he has to move on from .

76ers , Memphis , Detroit , Indy , Hawks , Boston , Spurs . Yes a lot of teams & more not mentioning . Some are in relation to 3-4 team trade scenerios .

Players we are mostly in talks about .

B.Simmons , T.Maxey
C.Reddish , Danilo Gallinari & Onyeka Okongwu
M.Turner
J.Brown
Kyrie Irving ( in this scenerio it would be him going to another team in a much bigger deal )
Pascal Siakam ( becoming a bit less likely though you never know )
Christian Wood & if happens you could see John Wall or Eric Gorden rerouted to another team )
Kristaps Porzingis & or Jalen Brunson
Obi Toppin & K.Knox
Brandon Ingram ( getting a feeler on to see )
Dillon Brooks
Luguentz Dort

Will update more concrete info if & when I get it .

I believe between now and the next 2 weeks we all will have seen at least 1 trade completed if not 2 .

With players constantly going into covid protocals it is harming trade talks and what can get done & when . Keep all this in mind !

[BoogieTime]

Amick:

"Five months later, with the Kings (16-23) barely hanging onto the 10th spot in this watered-down West, they’re still highly motivated to make the kind of significant move(s) that would both bolster their postseason chances in the present while giving them a runway for sustained success in the future. More specifically, sources say Kings owner Vivek Ranadive has continued to make it clear to McNair that he has the green light to do whatever is necessary to meet those goals. And while the Kings would prefer to keep building around De’Aaron Fox and Tyrese Haliburton, their strong appetite to improve means that no player is off the table in terms of potential talks.

Wherever there’s an impact player who can be had, in other words, they’ll be exploring the possibilities. And yes, as you likely wondered, that includes Philadelphia’s Ben Simmons.

While I reported in early September that a Kings-Simmons deal was looking very unlikely, that was long before team officials had a chance to see nearly half a season’s worth of (mostly subpar) play. Sacramento’s interest is definitely there.

Still, sources say the Sixers — who have been on the lookout for an All-Star in return for Simmons for so long now — have continued to ask for a massive haul in return while frustrating some suitors along the way. As such, some team executives remain convinced that Sixers president of basketball operations Daryl Morey is still waiting for Portland’s Damian Lillard or Washington’s Bradley Beal to be made available down the line (i.e. this summer at the earliest)"

I hate Vivek.

I don't want the clown involved whatsoever, and I don't want the clown involved in a way that is detrimental to long term success.

The clown better not be in the way of rebuilding

As for Simmons, Morey is going to learn no one is trading high performing talent for him by now or he's just going to look foolish having Simmons wither away with the contract and weird haze about him being out for so long. However I think Dame might be what eventually happens. I wouldn't necessarily want it as a Sixers fan as hes aging rapidly, but the Blazers are in dire need of a rebuild, and that could have wings

And Hali is going nowhere, certainly for Simmons

[dozencousins]

Amick:

"Five months later, with the Kings (16-23) barely hanging onto the 10th spot in this watered-down West, they’re still highly motivated to make the kind of significant move(s) that would both bolster their postseason chances in the present while giving them a runway for sustained success in the future. More specifically, sources say Kings owner Vivek Ranadive has continued to make it clear to McNair that he has the green light to do whatever is necessary to meet those goals. And while the Kings would prefer to keep building around De’Aaron Fox and Tyrese Haliburton, their strong appetite to improve means that no player is off the table in terms of potential talks.

Wherever there’s an impact player who can be had, in other words, they’ll be exploring the possibilities. And yes, as you likely wondered, that includes Philadelphia’s Ben Simmons.

While I reported in early September that a Kings-Simmons deal was looking very unlikely, that was long before team officials had a chance to see nearly half a season’s worth of (mostly subpar) play. Sacramento’s interest is definitely there.

Still, sources say the Sixers — who have been on the lookout for an All-Star in return for Simmons for so long now — have continued to ask for a massive haul in return while frustrating some suitors along the way. As such, some team executives remain convinced that Sixers president of basketball operations Daryl Morey is still waiting for Portland’s Damian Lillard or Washington’s Bradley Beal to be made available down the line (i.e. this summer at the earliest)"

I hate Vivek.

I don't want the clown involved whatsoever, and I don't want the clown involved in a way that is detrimental to long term success.

The clown better not be in the way of rebuilding

As for Simmons, Morey is going to learn no one is trading high performing talent for him by now or he's just going to look foolish having Simmons wither away with the contract and weird haze about him being out for so long. However I think Dame might be what eventually happens. I wouldn't necessarily want it as a Sixers fan as hes aging rapidly, but the Blazers are in dire need of a rebuild, and that could have wings

And Hali is going nowhere, certainly for Simmons

Agreed in regards to Vivek :

I fear that the Kings will never be a truly great team as long as He is the Owner . He truly sucks ! He does not understand sadly if He just didn't meddle the team , the GM etc. could actually get us to finally be a really good team with fans coming back into the building .
As long as Vivek meddles things will always be bad thus making not as many fans in the building . I would love it if he Sold the team to another as long as they stay in Sac and do a great job of course .

[BoogieTime]

Amick:

I hate Vivek.

I don't want the clown involved whatsoever, and I don't want the clown involved in a way that is detrimental to long term success.

The clown better not be in the way of rebuilding

As for Simmons, Morey is going to learn no one is trading high performing talent for him by now or he's just going to look foolish having Simmons wither away with the contract and weird haze about him being out for so long. However I think Dame might be what eventually happens. I wouldn't necessarily want it as a Sixers fan as hes aging rapidly, but the Blazers are in dire need of a rebuild, and that could have wings

And Hali is going nowhere, certainly for Simmons

Agreed in regards to Vivek :

I fear that the Kings will never be a truly great team as long as He is the Owner . He truly sucks ! He does not understand sadly if He just didn't meddle the team , the GM etc. could actually get us to finally be a really good team with fans coming back into the building .
As long as Vivek meddles things will always be bad thus making not as many fans in the building . I would love it if he Sold the team to another as long as they stay in Sac and do a great job of course .

True enough my man.

[BoogieTime]

Amick:

"Five months later, with the Kings (16-23) barely hanging onto the 10th spot in this watered-down West, they’re still highly motivated to make the kind of significant move(s) that would both bolster their postseason chances in the present while giving them a runway for sustained success in the future. More specifically, sources say Kings owner Vivek Ranadive has continued to make it clear to McNair that he has the green light to do whatever is necessary to meet those goals. And while the Kings would prefer to keep building around De’Aaron Fox and Tyrese Haliburton, their strong appetite to improve means that no player is off the table in terms of potential talks.

Wherever there’s an impact player who can be had, in other words, they’ll be exploring the possibilities. And yes, as you likely wondered, that includes Philadelphia’s Ben Simmons.

While I reported in early September that a Kings-Simmons deal was looking very unlikely, that was long before team officials had a chance to see nearly half a season’s worth of (mostly subpar) play. Sacramento’s interest is definitely there.

Still, sources say the Sixers — who have been on the lookout for an All-Star in return for Simmons for so long now — have continued to ask for a massive haul in return while frustrating some suitors along the way. As such, some team executives remain convinced that Sixers president of basketball operations Daryl Morey is still waiting for Portland’s Damian Lillard or Washington’s Bradley Beal to be made available down the line (i.e. this summer at the earliest)"

In regards to Simmons, the closest value/salary has always been Fox IMO (Hali isn't moving, and I personally like Mitchell)

In the summer I thought they were equal in trade value. Though I personally favored the trade, I understood McNair's reluctance to moving 25pts/7asst, as if that backfired that's your behind.

Wit Fox's play this year obviously Philadelphia should be reticent

If Philly waits too long Fox could play like he did last night continuously and the Sixers could continue with Simmons diminishing returns

It seems a cat and mouse that will never reach a medium

That, or they could move Barnes/Hield and a pick package. This could be around Simmons diminishing value but I dont see the fit with him and Fox at all

[Richard4444]

What about trading Haliburton + filler for Randle?

[codydaze]

What about trading Haliburton + filler for Randle?

Not really close for Sac at all. If, big if, there were a trade for NYK to get Hali it would be based around RJ, not Randle. That wouldn't be a trade I'm interested in exploring either though.

[dozencousins]

What about trading Haliburton + filler for Randle?

Kings would not do this and if they were NY would have to add far more compinsation . Hali's contract is very favorable to the Kings . Plus Hali's overall value is worth far morre than Randle and a much lower contract . No Thanks

I like Quickly myself but Hali is far more valuable so again no Thanks

[blind prophet]

Amick:

"Five months later, with the Kings (16-23) barely hanging onto the 10th spot in this watered-down West, they’re still highly motivated to make the kind of significant move(s) that would both bolster their postseason chances in the present while giving them a runway for sustained success in the future. More specifically, sources say Kings owner Vivek Ranadive has continued to make it clear to McNair that he has the green light to do whatever is necessary to meet those goals. And while the Kings would prefer to keep building around De’Aaron Fox and Tyrese Haliburton, their strong appetite to improve means that no player is off the table in terms of potential talks.

Wherever there’s an impact player who can be had, in other words, they’ll be exploring the possibilities. And yes, as you likely wondered, that includes Philadelphia’s Ben Simmons.

While I reported in early September that a Kings-Simmons deal was looking very unlikely, that was long before team officials had a chance to see nearly half a season’s worth of (mostly subpar) play. Sacramento’s interest is definitely there.

Still, sources say the Sixers — who have been on the lookout for an All-Star in return for Simmons for so long now — have continued to ask for a massive haul in return while frustrating some suitors along the way. As such, some team executives remain convinced that Sixers president of basketball operations Daryl Morey is still waiting for Portland’s Damian Lillard or Washington’s Bradley Beal to be made available down the line (i.e. this summer at the earliest)"

Translation

1. Development/tanking acquiring assets is not ok.
2. Vivek wants it now & is still meddling.

[BoogieTime]

While I hate Vivek's involvement with the team, period, I'm trying to understand what's driving him.

1. impetuous type A personality who doesn't have the temperament for rebuild
2.. He finds it an embarrassment that the Kings set the record for lack of playoffs under his watch
3.. He thinks business wise extending losing seasons will continue to drive fans away

What is the reason?

He wasnt involved in keeping Cousins and rebuilding then if I recall, so I actually think its probably 2

Which is why there is importance now

Still, its none of his concern basketball ops

[Dude-niagara]

Before I get into my update . Last time I gave a post was in regards to a 76ers trade & to be clear the info I gave last time was correct but as I did mention but had more to that offer pics etc. which I will likely never be able to gove exact details in regards to pics & terms of pics as that can all change a lot faster than specific players . 1 moment a team wants a lottery protected pic and next moment a top 5 protected pic etc. as examples .

Now Moving on ... Update a bit

We are talking with a lot of teams most notably : All this said . All I know as of know is we have talked in regards to all mentioned below & others of course . I do not know of any specific deal as of yet .

I know for sure we are in for major shake up & yes we will do at least 3 deals & as maany as 5 . Some bigger than others .
As of the moment I would say our best partners right now would be the Hawks & Pacers . Though Philly may still happen and the main hold up their is Philly is asking way to much in picks compinsation . If they or had they lowered that value a bt which they should a deal would had been done . I can tell everyone this . The longer Phily holds out the likelier a deal will not be agreed to by Monte as he is preparing to move on from talks as he cannnot wait until the very last momemt to get that deal done as he has to figure out other pieces he has to move on from .

76ers , Memphis , Detroit , Indy , Hawks , Boston , Spurs . Yes a lot of teams & more not mentioning . Some are in relation to 3-4 team trade scenerios .

Players we are mostly in talks about .

B.Simmons , T.Maxey
C.Reddish , Danilo Gallinari & Onyeka Okongwu
M.Turner
J.Brown
Kyrie Irving ( in this scenerio it would be him going to another team in a much bigger deal )
Pascal Siakam ( becoming a bit less likely though you never know )
Christian Wood & if happens you could see John Wall or Eric Gorden rerouted to another team )
Kristaps Porzingis & or Jalen Brunson
Obi Toppin & K.Knox
Brandon Ingram ( getting a feeler on to see )
Dillon Brooks
Luguentz Dort

Will update more concrete info if & when I get it .

I believe between now and the next 2 weeks we all will have seen at least 1 trade completed if not 2 .

With players constantly going into covid protocals it is harming trade talks and what can get done & when . Keep all this in mind !

You want to make the playoffs then trade for Siakam, 33 points tonight and been on fire scoring & defending since returning. He would guarantee you make it

[BoogieTime]

In regards to Fox, he's looked the last three games how he was supposed to look for the year

The question is why he looked that way for the year. If there is no legit reason other than low motor taking portions of seasons off he needs to be gone yesterday. He hasnt really spoken about his season, and the why's and how's. If there is legit reasons for his season I'd be more reticent on moving him. Tyrese and how Fox has looked for three games can eventually become competitive, without trades, I'd hope

Ofcourse I'd prefer the vets gone and tanking in the meantime but clown Ranadive is in my way

[Larry_Russell]

So what sort of offer would Sacramento make for someone like Brown?

Haliburton, Barnes, some 1sts?

[BoogieTime]

So what sort of offer would Sacramento make for someone like Brown?

Haliburton, Barnes, some 1sts?

Haliburton would be a no for me. Kid was putting up 20/10+ as a 21 year old when he was starting without Fox. Kid is a player. He has 3 years left til restricted free agency, and Brown will be a unrestricted after a couple years after this. Hali already has better advanced stats than Brown.

Brown is a good player, but the fact that he is unrestricted two years after this one for a market like Sacramento is not a plus. I'm not super impressed by his impact, personally.

I have no clue how that would get done (Brown here). I'm in favor of rebuilding, but even if this franchise was to misguidingly offer a pick platter with Barnes/Holmes/Mitchell (I dont want Mitchell to leave in a deal like this for Brown, personally), not sure it gets done without Hali/Fox

IMO the closest thing is Fox. Fox has two years longer on his deal. While not a big deal for Boston, it is for Sacramento. Boston wouldn't do that with the way Fox has played, and if Fox continues to play like he has the last threee games, and there are actual legit reasons for his year long poor play, I'm not sure Sacramento would either