2023-24 General Thread

[KF10]

Yeah, I don't understand the Lavine infatuation either. Is there a world, like Boogie mentioned, where we get Lavine and Kuzma? Just go all out on a no-defense, offensive barrage type team? Combining some ideas/rumors here:

Kings Out: Barnes, Huerter, Sasha, Davion, Duarte, #13, 2025 POR 2nd
Kings In: Lavine, Kuzma, #26

Washington Out: Kuzma, #26
Washington In: Barnes, Davion, #11, 2025 POR 2nd

Chicago Out: Lavine, #11
Chicago In: Huerter, Sasha, Duarte, #13

I would probably throw up in my mouth a little bit but we get a lower cost first round rookie contract and supercharge the offense.

Fox-Lavine-Keegan-Kuzma-Sabonis
Monk-Keon-#26-Lyles-Len

At this point, give me both Kuzma and Lavine. Just go back to the offensive principles in 22-23 season. Outscore teams for fun. Defense be damned.

[codydaze]

That proposal would make us look like an inferior version of the 2024 Phoenix Suns. Plus there's only one ball to share among those 5 starters plus Monk, and the defense looks very light?

Not saying we should do it at all, I would hate it, just saying there's been a lot of smoke with interest for both guys going back years now.

[LightTheBeam]

Yeah, I don't understand the Lavine infatuation either. Is there a world, like Boogie mentioned, where we get Lavine and Kuzma? Just go all out on a no-defense, offensive barrage type team? Combining some ideas/rumors here:

Kings Out: Barnes, Huerter, Sasha, Davion, Duarte, #13, 2025 POR 2nd
Kings In: Lavine, Kuzma, #26

Washington Out: Kuzma, #26
Washington In: Barnes, Davion, #11, 2025 POR 2nd

Chicago Out: Lavine, #11
Chicago In: Huerter, Sasha, Duarte, #13

I would probably throw up in my mouth a little bit but we get a lower cost first round rookie contract and supercharge the offense.

Fox-Lavine-Keegan-Kuzma-Sabonis
Monk-Keon-#26-Lyles-Len

I think 11 goes to Sac, 13 to Washington, 26 to Chicago. They need to pay to turn LaVine into that tbh, he has no market

[FarBeyondDriven]

I think agents use us for leverage more than we're actually interested in some of these players.

[LightTheBeam]

I think agents use us for leverage more than we're actually interested in some of these players.

This. When monk was "on the way out" it was really convinient for Chicago to push the LaVine to Sac narrative. Oh they wanted him 5 years ago (well Vlade did...), oh they are losing Monk and are desperate (monk resigned...), well they wanted Caruso (he got traded..)

not buying the LaVine rumor.

Now Kuzma, idk. Monte was linked to him twice already. Buddy for Kuzma was essentially done according to many.. Then we supposedly chased in FA. Feels like Donte Divencenzo, where Monte wanted him over and over and finally got him. DDV didn't work out for us, but Monte has the right idea that he had untapped potential. Now hes thriving in NY. Maybe he gets Kuzma right.

[BoogieTime]

I think agents use us for leverage more than we're actually interested in some of these players.

This. When monk was "on the way out" it was really convinient for Chicago to push the LaVine to Sac narrative. Oh they wanted him 5 years ago (well Vlade did...), oh they are losing Monk and are desperate (monk resigned...), well they wanted Caruso (he got traded..)

not buying the LaVine rumor.

Now Kuzma, idk. Monte was linked to him twice already. Buddy for Kuzma was essentially done according to many.. Then we supposedly chased in FA. Feels like Donte Divencenzo, where Monte wanted him over and over and finally got him. DDV didn't work out for us, but Monte has the right idea that he had untapped potential. Now hes thriving in NY. Maybe he gets Kuzma right.

Chicago isn’t pushing they would have to add assets to trade him to Sac

[BoogieTime]

Man, I love this time of the year. In two days this roster could be completely diffferent

[BoogieTime]

So, its interesting that Fox has thrown his hat in the ring in pressuring the FO to win now. Interesting timing for his waiting on the extension signing to see how the roster takes shape. Leaving out how I personally feel about the extension, assuming the Kings want the extension this summer its pressure on them to do something.

[LightTheBeam]

I think agents use us for leverage more than we're actually interested in some of these players.

This. When monk was "on the way out" it was really convinient for Chicago to push the LaVine to Sac narrative. Oh they wanted him 5 years ago (well Vlade did...), oh they are losing Monk and are desperate (monk resigned...), well they wanted Caruso (he got traded..)

not buying the LaVine rumor.

Now Kuzma, idk. Monte was linked to him twice already. Buddy for Kuzma was essentially done according to many.. Then we supposedly chased in FA. Feels like Donte Divencenzo, where Monte wanted him over and over and finally got him. DDV didn't work out for us, but Monte has the right idea that he had untapped potential. Now hes thriving in NY. Maybe he gets Kuzma right.

Chicago isn’t pushing they would have to add assets to trade him to Sac

According to reports from today, Chicago priority 1,2,3 and 4 is making sure that LaVine is off the roster ASAP. They have tabled talks with DeRozan and aren't discussing anything until that happens.

So far everytime that has been rumored in on LaVine, suddenly a report comes out they aren't interested.

29 years old
Dealt with injuries most of his career
43 million this year, 46 next, 49 the one after.

I don't think it's crazy to think they would need to include 11 to dump his for expirings.

[BoogieTime]

This. When monk was "on the way out" it was really convinient for Chicago to push the LaVine to Sac narrative. Oh they wanted him 5 years ago (well Vlade did...), oh they are losing Monk and are desperate (monk resigned...), well they wanted Caruso (he got traded..)

not buying the LaVine rumor.

Now Kuzma, idk. Monte was linked to him twice already. Buddy for Kuzma was essentially done according to many.. Then we supposedly chased in FA. Feels like Donte Divencenzo, where Monte wanted him over and over and finally got him. DDV didn't work out for us, but Monte has the right idea that he had untapped potential. Now hes thriving in NY. Maybe he gets Kuzma right.

Chicago isn’t pushing they would have to add assets to trade him to Sac

According to reports from today, Chicago priority 1,2,3 and 4 is making sure that LaVine is off the roster ASAP. They have tabled talks with DeRozan and aren't discussing anything until that happens.

So far everytime that has been rumored in on LaVine, suddenly a report comes out they aren't interested.

29 years old
Dealt with injuries most of his career
43 million this year, 46 next, 49 the one after.

I don't think it's crazy to think they would need to include 11 to dump his for expirings.

11 would be pretty crazy to me, the Kings if they are offering the players I think they are offering I would be surprised if they got much of anything

But to me, its the Kings angling through the media they need incentive to take him on. The rumors are the Kings need incentive to take him on, how is that a Chicago narrative? If it was from the Bulls the narrative would be the Kings would have to add or something

[LightTheBeam]

Chicago isn’t pushing they would have to add assets to trade him to Sac

According to reports from today, Chicago priority 1,2,3 and 4 is making sure that LaVine is off the roster ASAP. They have tabled talks with DeRozan and aren't discussing anything until that happens.

So far everytime that has been rumored in on LaVine, suddenly a report comes out they aren't interested.

29 years old
Dealt with injuries most of his career
43 million this year, 46 next, 49 the one after.

I don't think it's crazy to think they would need to include 11 to dump his for expirings.

11 would be pretty crazy to me, the Kings if they are offering the players I think they are offering I would be surprised if they got much of anything

But to me, its the Kings angling through the media they need incentive to take him on. The rumors are the Kings need incentive to take him on, how is that a Chicago narrative? If it was from the Bulls the narrative would be the Kings would have to add or something

Narrative is that Sac was interested in LaVine. Reality is they were interested in Caruso, and now it sounds like if properly compensated they would consider LaVine.

There is no angling to be done by Chicago. Nobody wants LaVine, this is the worst kept secret they've been trying to dump him for over 12 months.

Doesn't matter whose camp its coming out of. It's probably not from either. These reporters make up stories for clicks, and Sac made sense for LaVine when monk looked like he was leaving.

[BoogieTime]

According to reports from today, Chicago priority 1,2,3 and 4 is making sure that LaVine is off the roster ASAP. They have tabled talks with DeRozan and aren't discussing anything until that happens.

So far everytime that has been rumored in on LaVine, suddenly a report comes out they aren't interested.

29 years old
Dealt with injuries most of his career
43 million this year, 46 next, 49 the one after.

I don't think it's crazy to think they would need to include 11 to dump his for expirings.

11 would be pretty crazy to me, the Kings if they are offering the players I think they are offering I would be surprised if they got much of anything

But to me, its the Kings angling through the media they need incentive to take him on. The rumors are the Kings need incentive to take him on, how is that a Chicago narrative? If it was from the Bulls the narrative would be the Kings would have to add or something

Narrative is that Sac was interested in LaVine. Reality is they were interested in Caruso, and now it sounds like if properly compensated they would consider LaVine.

There is no angling to be done by Chicago. Nobody wants LaVine, this is the worst kept secret they've been trying to dump him for over 12 months.

I think they've been trying to get value for him, I haven't heard anything about dumping, just trying to move him.

I agree with the bolded, rumors are Kings are still a spot to look for but they would need to be compensated. I think thats coming from Sacramento. Now whether or not thats little interest and a lot of compensation, or just the Kings trying to bargain for a better position to trade for him outright, who knows

[BoogieTime]

11 would be pretty crazy to me, the Kings if they are offering the players I think they are offering I would be surprised if they got much of anything

But to me, its the Kings angling through the media they need incentive to take him on. The rumors are the Kings need incentive to take him on, how is that a Chicago narrative? If it was from the Bulls the narrative would be the Kings would have to add or something

Narrative is that Sac was interested in LaVine. Reality is they were interested in Caruso, and now it sounds like if properly compensated they would consider LaVine.

There is no angling to be done by Chicago. Nobody wants LaVine, this is the worst kept secret they've been trying to dump him for over 12 months.

I think they've been trying to get value for him, I haven't heard anything about dumping, just trying to move him.

I agree with the bolded, rumors are Kings are still a spot to look for but they would need to be compensated. I think thats coming from Sacramento. Now whether or not thats little interest and a lot of compensation, or just the Kings trying to bargain for a better position to trade for him outright, who knows

With the fact that the Kings are still a spot to look for being important, otherwise you would have 28 other articles about other teams being connected to him but “needing compensation”

[OxAndFox]

Count me as someone who thinks that the #11 is in play to take on Lavine. If the original deal had #13 and #11 in it along with Caruso, who knows?
Maybe the Bulls are saying Caruso made up more value than that, but it couldn't be much more.

[OxAndFox]

So Kuzma's trade kicker, which I doubt he won't take up, is $3m.
His contract essentially looks like this:
$26,522,727
$24,477,272
$22,431,819
3/$73m

Does it change anything for anyone?
For me, it does a little. It will still be a decent deal at the end, but as we see in Sacramento either the FO runs deals through or trades them early, not when they're expiring.

[FarBeyondDriven]

So, its interesting that Fox has thrown his hat in the ring in pressuring the FO to win now. Interesting timing for his waiting on the extension signing to see how the roster takes shape. Leaving out how I personally feel about the extension, assuming the Kings want the extension this summer its pressure on them to do something.

I hate when players pull this crap. How about you worry about yourself and play better? As much as I like Fox, his game is predicated on speed and paying him that massive contract that begins as he enters his age 29 season isn't really appealing to me. It's not like he's delivered. He's played 7 seasons and we haven't won a single playoff series.

This is why I don't like trading away draft picks. By taking young talented guys it not only helps us long-term but it also gives impending FAs less power because threatening to leave won't matter as much if we have a young talent. Let Fox prove he's worth $50 million per by leading us to the playoffs this season. If he wants to be paid like the man, he needs to play like the man. Put the team on his back and get it done. We have talent and will be adding more via the draft, FA and trade.

[FarBeyondDriven]

So, its interesting that Fox has thrown his hat in the ring in pressuring the FO to win now. Interesting timing for his waiting on the extension signing to see how the roster takes shape. Leaving out how I personally feel about the extension, assuming the Kings want the extension this summer its pressure on them to do something.

I'd be shopping him as soon as he made that known. I hate when players mouth of to the media and start making demands. How would he like it if the team pointed out that Fox has been our starting PG for 7 years and hasn't delivered a single playoff series win? What's going to happen is he's not going to make all-nba and then he won't have an incentive to stay because he could make more. So we'll enter the following season with him as an impending UFA and since we won't trade him we'll lose him for nothing. Just trade him now while his value is at its peak. I'm sure the return would be considerable and we could build around Sabonis, Murray, Monk and whoever we draft. We'd be better for it long-term

[LightTheBeam]

Fox was a big reason Monk stayed, if you don't think that you are fooling yourself.

This is a non story. The entire team wants to improve. Us fans have been yelling at Monte for 2 years to stop sitting on his hands, but when Fox does it's an issue? More misguided anger. Fox is right, Monte needs to put up or get out. Lack of moves last 2 years was unacceptable, team needs to be aggressive and stop tiddering between forever rebuild and competing.

We have spent the start of this off-season celebrating that we gave Brown and Monk new contracts. So far we haven't improved yet. And i'm not hating its good we made those moves, but now time for the fireworks.

[Lost in LA]

I see it more as Fox backing himslef for the chance to make even more money, and taking less in the near term allows the GM to improve the team.

[Jkam31]

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