Trade Idea Thread 15-16

[City of Trees]

Okay any positives at all? I get much of the push back...from a pure talent standpoint, Pau would be a cohesive fit next to DMC. Can operate from elbow, low post, and corner. Excellent passer, high IQ, and he's a champion. I remember DMC saying when he came into the league that Pau was his favorite player and the guy he'd like to model his game after.

Okay there is my optimistic outlook...now back to reality...no way he resigns...unless he finds out Cousins is his long lost brother from another mother. And unless Rick Adelman coaches this team...won't work...Vlade seems to be trying to recreate his Kings team but problem is...we have the wrong coach

On his last leg? Yeah it would SEEM so...he is 35, but he's played very good basketball. 17 and 11 and 2 blocks. All star appearance.

Positives?

Pau is another vet who Boogie can look to. Even more so since they play the same position, and as strong as Boogie is, he has a soft spot for his finesse game.

Pau obviously makes the tem better, can't really speak on how he will be implemented since everything is in question at the moment. But from a talent standpoint, you lose defense and gain offense/experience.

If Pau doesn't resign then the Kings will have A LOT of money to spend in FA.


Not sure if the trade translates into wins? If not, best case here is Kings fall below protection and keep the pick while seeing Pau walk.

[City of Trees]

Inserting Pau into the league's #1 pace team will be a train wreck waiting to happen, imo. Unless Karl tones down the pace, I don't think Pau fits with the Kings. Dude is 35 and is on his last legs (& contract year). 29 game rental for what exactly?

Same can be said with Cuz. He's approaching that age now, the body can break down from wear and tear. Leading the league in pace is not in the best interest of your bulldozer asset.

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Pau is 35 and is at the end of his career. Cousins is 25 years old and is heading into the prime of his career. Plugging Cousins into the league's #1 pace team isn't ideal for him but he still manages to produce big numbers and has pretty good impact overall. I don't think you can say the same thing to Pau. That was my point.

Your statement is true. That I'm not disputing. I was simply adding to your sentiment by further arguing against leading the league in pace.

I'd expect the pace to slow down and hopefully that's why Vlade would even consider such a move.

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[jeffjtk1234]

That deal makes no sense. There's a reason it was leaked...doubt it happens. Just get shumpert and moz for Bmac and koufos and call it a day.


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[KF10]

Same can be said with Cuz. He's approaching that age now, the body can break down from wear and tear. Leading the league in pace is not in the best interest of your bulldozer asset.

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Pau is 35 and is at the end of his career. Cousins is 25 years old and is heading into the prime of his career. Plugging Cousins into the league's #1 pace team isn't ideal for him but he still manages to produce big numbers and has pretty good impact overall. I don't think you can say the same thing to Pau. That was my point.

Your statement is true. That I'm not disputing. I was simply adding to your sentiment by further arguing against leading the league in pace.

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Ok, gotcha!

[Ericb5]

Umm, don't we have to talk with Philly about lowering the pick? Isn't it stated the lick swap happens 1-12, which is specific. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

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Our pick is protected 11-30 against Philly, so they have the right to swap if we have picks 1-10.

Either way, we will have a pick. We just have to remind the Bulls that Philly has the right to switch picks with us, so they might end up with Philly's pick instead of ours, but they will get a pick either way.

I'm a Sixer fan, and the problem from our perspective is that, as things currently stand, we actually WANT you to not have to give the 2016 pick to the Bulls, because if you guys keep it then we get an unprotected 2019 pick instead of a top ten protected 2018 pick. An unprotected 2019 pick has more value than a top 10 protected 2018 one.

So if we allow you to make changes to the protections of this year's pick, we are actually decreasing the likelihood of getting that unprotected 2019 pick.

I just typed this idea on our board, but I'll say it over here too. What about we relinquish the 2016 swap rights, thus allowing you to do whatever you want with this year's pick with the Bulls, in exchange for 2018 swap rights. That way we guarantee that the 2019 pick is unprotected, and we would just delay our swap rights from 2016, and 2017, to 2017, and 2018.

We would basically give up nothing other than a few 2016 ping pong balls which we would have to be really lucky to get anyway, in exchange for ping pong balls in 2018, and the 2019 unprotected pick.


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[RIPskaterdude]

Umm, don't we have to talk with Philly about lowering the pick? Isn't it stated the lick swap happens 1-12, which is specific. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

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Our pick is protected 11-30 against Philly, so they have the right to swap if we have picks 1-10.

Either way, we will have a pick. We just have to remind the Bulls that Philly has the right to switch picks with us, so they might end up with Philly's pick instead of ours, but they will get a pick either way.

I'm a Sixer fan, and the problem from our perspective is that, as things currently stand, we actually WANT you to not have to give the 2016 pick to the Bulls, because if you guys keep it then we get an unprotected 2019 pick instead of a top ten protected 2018 pick. An unprotected 2019 pick has more value than a top 10 protected 2018 one.

So if we allow you to make changes to the protections of this year's pick, we are actually decreasing the likelihood of getting that unprotected 2019 pick.

I just typed this idea on our board, but I'll say it over here too. What about we relinquish the 2016 swap rights, thus allowing you to do whatever you want with this year's pick with the Bulls, in exchange for 2018 swap rights. That way we guarantee that the 2019 pick is unprotected, and we would just delay our swap rights from 2016, and 2017, to 2017, and 2018.

We would basically give up nothing other than a few 2016 ping pong balls which we would have to be really lucky to get anyway, in exchange for ping pong balls in 2018, and the 2019 unprotected pick.


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I want nothing to do with the 76ers, please stop trying to swindle us again, we can't take another r@pe

[City of Trees]

So. . . . . connecting the dots. Kings want to make a trade with Bulls, however must call Philly for approval.... And all of a sudden an Okafor rumor pops up with Philly "guaging interest". Bulls may be looking for this deal to get a whole lot bigger.

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[No-Man]

Ehhh, nobody in that conversation has assets to move the needle for Okafor unless Chicago is moving Butler.

Trading for Gasol and lowering the protection of the pick would be a terrible idea.

[SacKingZZZ]

Well everyone was OK with Koufus for Moz so in that sense nothing changes... However including Ben and a 1st to get Pau is nuts. The guy is good but it's literally a 29 game rental. No way he resigns. Right? Even Vlade's charm has no shot at him resigning.


As for Philly, who can we send? Oh oh oh! James Anderson!
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Yeah, the pick is pretty much gone at that point, for sure. If the Kings don't turn it around, and mind you the only way it will is if Karl changes the game plan and even then it might be too late, it's a pretty big gamble.

[SacKingZZZ]

To be honest, I'd be all over a Pau deal IF the coaching situation wasn't what it is. Yeah, as stated, Pau on the number 1 pace team struggling to find it's way? Ha ha. Ha ha.

Ha ha.

Cuz and Pau would be an ultimate combo under someone like Adelman though. nudge nudge.

[bleeds_purple]

I really don't see Pau and Cousins coexisting in any situation under the current meta-game. We're already dreadful at three point defense (-426 net differential on threes). Now imagine one, or both, of those guys trying to guard on the perimeter.

That's before you even get into the fact that Pau is 35 and can opt out. I don't even want to think about the angle where we need to pay off Philly.

This is just a horrible idea no matter how you dice it. Which of course means we'll wake up tomorrow hearing we pulled the trigger!

[Crimson King]

That trade would be crazy once more, absolutely risky pay that price for what it could very well be a two month rental as most of the posters are pointing.

And poor Gasol , Bulls would be assh*les doing him that after signing that contract with them.

[SacKingZZZ]

That trade would be crazy once more, absolutely risky pay that price for what it could very well be a two month rental as most of the posters are pointing.

And poor Gasol , Bulls would be assh*les doing him that after signing that contract with them.

Well, how does it change his outlook though? Probably miss the playoffs with the Kings, or probably miss the playoffs with the Bulls.

[Kings2013]

At this point I don't trust what I'm hearing from the FO, so I hope no moves will be made until we get further help in the FO

[Kings2013]

Ehhh, nobody in that conversation has assets to move the needle for Okafor unless Chicago is moving Butler.

Trading for Gasol and lowering the protection of the pick would be a terrible idea.

Are you trying to diss Cousins here?

[No-Man]

I dont see how Philadelphia will trade for Cousins honestly, they dont have the time to build around him before he diss them and leave

[Kings2013]

The point of Pau can't be for on court reasons, and he may not want to show up

May be misdirection or salary dump?

But like I said, I'm not comfortable with the driver in the FO. Tobias Harris had no fit here positionally or in style, I'm going to assume that was false

[Crimson King]

The point of Pau can't be for on court reasons, and he may not want to show up

I disagree with both statements. The trade for Pau in my opinion is only for on court reasons, but (potentially) extremely short term court reasons. And I doubt any kind of unprofessional reaction from Gasol happens, even obviously he would'nt be ecstatic.

[OhioKingsFan]

The only reason this makes sense to me is if the Kings feel good about their chances of signing an impact Free Agent this summer. If the Kings get Pau and he opts out this summer (he will), then the Kings would be able to resign Rondo to a deal starting at $15M and still have about $20M in cap space left over. My concern is that, other than Ryan Anderson, what impact Free Agents can the Kings hope to sign? Would they instead take the approach of trying to get a couple of role players signed just over the MLE?

[2Mas]

What would the trade with Chicago be?

Gasol for McLemore & Koufos?

Rondo - Collison
?? - Belinelli
Gay - Casspi
Gasol - Acy
Cuz - WCS

Who would be the starting 2? Need a defensive player for sure. 3&D would be ideal. Maybe someone will get bought out or something? idk.