2023-24 General Thread

[Lost in LA]

How do we feel about cam johnson

A more expensive version of Barnes, although younger at 28. Seems to be a 3 point line guy, with few rebounds and not many assists.

[OGSactownballer]

Yeah the price will be exorbitantly high and not at all worth it. He’s more of a swing and very light to match up at PF. Doesn’t do anything to improve or solve our problem there.

[OGSactownballer]

So Kuzma's trade kicker, which I doubt he won't take up, is $3m.
His contract essentially looks like this:
$26,522,727
$24,477,272
$22,431,819
3/$73m

Does it change anything for anyone?
For me, it does a little. It will still be a decent deal at the end, but as we see in Sacramento either the FO runs deals through or trades them early, not when they're expiring.

Doesn’t change a thing for me.

It’s still a descending contract and really very reasonable going forward with a cap that is going to go up significantly over the life of the new huge TV deal.

It’s also reasonable enough to still be moveable if he doesn’t work.

[OGSactownballer]

So, its interesting that Fox has thrown his hat in the ring in pressuring the FO to win now. Interesting timing for his waiting on the extension signing to see how the roster takes shape. Leaving out how I personally feel about the extension, assuming the Kings want the extension this summer its pressure on them to do something.

I don’t think that the narrative of Fox “throwing his hat in the ring” which is strictly being crowed by the local radio show hosts on both stations is anything at all.

The fact that he can command $10 million plus more a year by making All NBA before he signs has a LOT more to do with it.

[BoogieTime]

So, its interesting that Fox has thrown his hat in the ring in pressuring the FO to win now. Interesting timing for his waiting on the extension signing to see how the roster takes shape. Leaving out how I personally feel about the extension, assuming the Kings want the extension this summer its pressure on them to do something.

I don’t think that the narrative of Fox “throwing his hat in the ring” which is strictly being crowed by the local radio show hosts on both stations is anything at all.

The fact that he can command $10 million plus more a year by making All NBA before he signs has a LOT more to do with it.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/sacramento-aggressively-looking-to-add-to-roster-deaaron-fox-waiting-to-see-how-it-plays-out

It's being crowed by the reputed Amick and Slater, as well.

I think there is something to it, especially given the timing which coincides with this heightened trade period. Your right though, he can make more with all nba team.. Given the competition for all-nba, and how little he could make with injury or not playing to the standards he expects, I'm not sure if I were him/his agents I would bet on not signing the extension at this point. But he could have a different view

[OGSactownballer]

Fox was a big reason Monk stayed, if you don't think that you are fooling yourself.

This is a non story. The entire team wants to improve. Us fans have been yelling at Monte for 2 years to stop sitting on his hands, but when Fox does it's an issue? More misguided anger. Fox is right, Monte needs to put up or get out. Lack of moves last 2 years was unacceptable, team needs to be aggressive and stop tiddering between forever rebuild and competing.

We have spent the start of this off-season celebrating that we gave Brown and Monk new contracts. So far we haven't improved yet. And i'm not hating its good we made those moves, but now time for the fireworks.

I fully agree with this part here.

When other teams top players turn to the media to express their opinions about the team not getting off their hands to improve, it’s seen as “leadership”.

The reactions of Kings fans to this though leave me feeling the same as always - lots of fanboys and girls in Sac, little to no actual Basketball knowledge.
Miya just like the whole push for Levine. He’s broken overpriced junk. Not some star that’s leading you to the championship. People are still in love AS FANS with a dunker. But don’t realize how crippling Angeline is NOW would be to a team with a restrictive salary cap and other much more glaring needs.

Let Fox call them out with a veiled threat to leave. Right now he is our top star and he should be doing this to galvanize the team into taking calculated risks to improve.

Like the rumors around PG. Do it. Take a shot. It’s not like he suddenly has no value if it doesn’t work here. You pivot with now a high value asset and make a different move.

[LightTheBeam]

Fox was a big reason Monk stayed, if you don't think that you are fooling yourself.

This is a non story. The entire team wants to improve. Us fans have been yelling at Monte for 2 years to stop sitting on his hands, but when Fox does it's an issue? More misguided anger. Fox is right, Monte needs to put up or get out. Lack of moves last 2 years was unacceptable, team needs to be aggressive and stop tiddering between forever rebuild and competing.

We have spent the start of this off-season celebrating that we gave Brown and Monk new contracts. So far we haven't improved yet. And i'm not hating its good we made those moves, but now time for the fireworks.

I fully agree with this part here.

When other teams top players turn to the media to express their opinions about the team not getting off their hands to improve, it’s seen as “leadership”.

The reactions of Kings fans to this though leave me feeling the same as always - lots of fanboys and girls in Sac, little to no actual Basketball knowledge.
Miya just like the whole push for Levine. He’s broken overpriced junk. Not some star that’s leading you to the championship. People are still in love AS FANS with a dunker. But don’t realize how crippling Angeline is NOW would be to a team with a restrictive salary cap and other much more glaring needs.

Let Fox call them out with a veiled threat to leave. Right now he is our top star and he should be doing this to galvanize the team into taking calculated risks to improve.

Like the rumors around PG. Do it. Take a shot. It’s not like he suddenly has no value if it doesn’t work here. You pivot with now a high value asset and make a different move.

I'd be extremely curious to know what the cost around PG is. Especially if hes asking out and wants to stay on the west coast. I think GS can smash our offer if they include Kuminga/Pod, but no guarantee they are even doing that.

[codydaze]

Fox was a big reason Monk stayed, if you don't think that you are fooling yourself.

This is a non story. The entire team wants to improve. Us fans have been yelling at Monte for 2 years to stop sitting on his hands, but when Fox does it's an issue? More misguided anger. Fox is right, Monte needs to put up or get out. Lack of moves last 2 years was unacceptable, team needs to be aggressive and stop tiddering between forever rebuild and competing.

We have spent the start of this off-season celebrating that we gave Brown and Monk new contracts. So far we haven't improved yet. And i'm not hating its good we made those moves, but now time for the fireworks.

I fully agree with this part here.

When other teams top players turn to the media to express their opinions about the team not getting off their hands to improve, it’s seen as “leadership”.

The reactions of Kings fans to this though leave me feeling the same as always - lots of fanboys and girls in Sac, little to no actual Basketball knowledge.
Miya just like the whole push for Levine. He’s broken overpriced junk. Not some star that’s leading you to the championship. People are still in love AS FANS with a dunker. But don’t realize how crippling Angeline is NOW would be to a team with a restrictive salary cap and other much more glaring needs.

Let Fox call them out with a veiled threat to leave. Right now he is our top star and he should be doing this to galvanize the team into taking calculated risks to improve.

Like the rumors around PG. Do it. Take a shot. It’s not like he suddenly has no value if it doesn’t work here. You pivot with now a high value asset and make a different move.

I'd be extremely curious to know what the cost around PG is. Especially if hes asking out and wants to stay on the west coast. I think GS can smash our offer if they include Kuminga/Pod, but no guarantee they are even doing that.

I feel like Kuminga/Podz are the only two guys off limits for GS, or at least they should be. Trading those guys for PG gives you like a 1-2 year window to win a title and leaves you totally bare for the future. I'm sure they want to get another one for Steph but, man, it could completely screw them too.

[LightTheBeam]

I'm frustrated we didn't go all in on Avdija.

23 years old, has improved as a shooter, plays good defense, rebounds, can pass the ball, and still has upside. He's also locked in on such a team friendly deal that we would have been in really good shape salary wise.

Sac should have prioritized him if this is what it took. #13 + Future 1st + portland 2nd + Huerter would have got it done.

[KF10]

Deni was the Wizards’ best player for a good portion of last season.

Kid is locked in a team friendly deal and is a real good player too.

I would have Deni over the influencer in Kuzma. 100%

[codydaze]

Definitely would have paid that price for Deni. That probably locks Keegan into the 4 spot though unless we were to start Deni at the 2 and go with a bigger lineup.

[LightTheBeam]

I'd guess Deni is 6'9 and 225. He came in at 210 and looks a lot bigger now. I think you can get away with Keegan/Deni switching at the 3/4.

On the plus side, if they are trading Deni who is 23 and on a great contract for this, that means Kuz price can't be that high right?

[KF10]

I'd guess Deni is 6'9 and 225. He came in at 210 and looks a lot bigger now. I think you can get away with Keegan/Deni switching at the 3/4.

On the plus side, if they are trading Deni who is 23 and on a great contract for this, that means Kuz price can't be that high right?

I have Deni’s value a lot higher than Kuzma.

I would be pissed if the Kings give up the #13 for Kuzma.

[LightTheBeam]

I'd guess Deni is 6'9 and 225. He came in at 210 and looks a lot bigger now. I think you can get away with Keegan/Deni switching at the 3/4.

On the plus side, if they are trading Deni who is 23 and on a great contract for this, that means Kuz price can't be that high right?

I have Deni’s value a lot higher than Kuzma.

I would be pissed if the Kings give up the #13 for Kuzma.

I wonder what Kuzma's market is. It really sucks we don't have any future 1sts from other teams.

It really feels like we are in a position where we will use #13 in an overpay because we have nothing else to give.

Unless reports are true and Huerter does have some outside value, it feels really hard to make something for Kuzma work without #13.

Is there any world where Wizards still assign Huerter reasonable 1st round value? Huerter + multiple 2nds + Colby + Davion for Kuzma? They would have to like Huerter as a shooter for the future and he feels to similar to Kispert.

[LightTheBeam]

Side note: I wonder if Sac tries to get involved in that deal as a 3 way trade.

Brogdon/Kuzma both to Sac
Huerter, Sasha, Duarte, Mitchell 13, 14, Future Portland 1st, 2nds to Wizards
Deni to Blazers

Would be an interesting bench to have Brogdon - Monk - Barnes - Lyles

[KF10]

I'd guess Deni is 6'9 and 225. He came in at 210 and looks a lot bigger now. I think you can get away with Keegan/Deni switching at the 3/4.

On the plus side, if they are trading Deni who is 23 and on a great contract for this, that means Kuz price can't be that high right?

I have Deni’s value a lot higher than Kuzma.

I would be pissed if the Kings give up the #13 for Kuzma.

I wonder what Kuzma's market is. It really sucks we don't have any future 1sts from other teams.

It really feels like we are in a position where we will use #13 in an overpay because we have nothing else to give.

Unless reports are true and Huerter does have some outside value, it feels really hard to make something for Kuzma work without #13.

Is there any world where Wizards still assign Huerter reasonable 1st round value? Huerter + multiple 2nds + Colby + Davion for Kuzma? They would have to like Huerter as a shooter for the future and he feels to similar to Kispert.

I hate giving up the #13 for Kuzma. It’s a non-starter for me.

If the Kings manage to get Kuzma without giving up the #13, I’m all for it.

I think the Wiz would like to get rid of long contracts like Kuz given that they want to tank for the next draft.

Brogdon’s deal is expiring.

[BoogieTime]

I'm frustrated we didn't go all in on Avdija.

23 years old, has improved as a shooter, plays good defense, rebounds, can pass the ball, and still has upside. He's also locked in on such a team friendly deal that we would have been in really good shape salary wise.

Sac should have prioritized him if this is what it took. #13 + Future 1st + portland 2nd + Huerter would have got it done.

Why would that have gotten it done? They probably want Portlands pick over the Kings and probably Brogdon over Huerter

[LightTheBeam]

I'm frustrated we didn't go all in on Avdija.

23 years old, has improved as a shooter, plays good defense, rebounds, can pass the ball, and still has upside. He's also locked in on such a team friendly deal that we would have been in really good shape salary wise.

Sac should have prioritized him if this is what it took. #13 + Future 1st + portland 2nd + Huerter would have got it done.

Why would that have gotten it done? They probably want Portlands pick over the Kings and probably Brogdon over Huerter

Brogdon over Huerter?

And the other pick they got "2nd most favorable 2029 pick (Blazers have their own, Boston and Milwaukees)"

No way a future Sac 1st is worth less than that one. You are talking about Milwaukee/Boston 1st.

[BoogieTime]

I'm frustrated we didn't go all in on Avdija.

23 years old, has improved as a shooter, plays good defense, rebounds, can pass the ball, and still has upside. He's also locked in on such a team friendly deal that we would have been in really good shape salary wise.

Sac should have prioritized him if this is what it took. #13 + Future 1st + portland 2nd + Huerter would have got it done.

Why would that have gotten it done? They probably want Portlands pick over the Kings and probably Brogdon over Huerter

Brogdon over Huerter?

And the other pick they got "2nd most favorable 2029 pick (Blazers have their own, Boston and Milwaukees)"

No way a future Sac 1st is worth less than that one. You are talking about Milwaukee/Boston 1st.

Brogdon is a lot better when he plays though older, but didn’t know about the pick