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Post#741 » by benchmobbin02 » Fri Jul 7, 2017 1:05 am

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SacKingZZZ wrote:I guess he fits the plan. Salary is a little high IMO and cuts a major chunk out of the flexibility they could have had going into the year in case a team gets desperate to dump some salary.


Yeah but I think anyone worth their salt would have come at a similar # (Simmons and Sefolosha). We're looking at around 10-11mil in cap space left after signing Fox and Mason (Jackson and Giles already inked). That does limit us but I love the team setup now.

Papa and WCS learn from KK
Skal and GIles learn from Zbo
Malachi and JJ learn from VC
Hield and BB learn from Temple
Fox and Mason learn from Hill

Almost like they planned this out. :nod:

Bobby Marks says around $8.3M

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Yeah, I guessimated on Fox and Mason's deals. Also BB, Zbo and Hill's exact first year #s that I was working off of were estimates.
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Re: Free Agent Predictions..who of us get it right? 

Post#742 » by DaVoiceMaster » Fri Jul 7, 2017 1:09 am

What does the roster and position depth look like now for the Kings? They've had a nice summer.
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Post#743 » by City of Trees » Fri Jul 7, 2017 1:12 am

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Yeah but I think anyone worth their salt would have come at a similar # (Simmons and Sefolosha). We're looking at around 10-11mil in cap space left after signing Fox and Mason (Jackson and Giles already inked). That does limit us but I love the team setup now.

Papa and WCS learn from KK
Skal and GIles learn from Zbo
Malachi and JJ learn from VC
Hield and BB learn from Temple
Fox and Mason learn from Hill

Almost like they planned this out. :nod:

Bobby Marks says around $8.3M

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Yeah, I guessimated on Fox and Mason's deals. Also BB, Zbo and Hill's exact first year #s that I was working off of were estimates.

You were ballpark! I was just passing along

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Re: Free Agent Predictions..who of us get it right? 

Post#744 » by codydaze » Fri Jul 7, 2017 1:13 am

A very underrated part of all these moves is how abundantly clear it is that our FO is on the same page as the coaching staff. When is the last time we've had this?


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Post#745 » by benchmobbin02 » Fri Jul 7, 2017 1:21 am

DaVoiceMaster wrote:What does the roster and position depth look like now for the Kings? They've had a nice summer.


Papa and WCS learn from KK
Skal and GIles learn from Zbo
Malachi and JJ learn from VC
Hield and BB learn from Temple
Fox and Mason learn from Hill

Very general and the positions (especially 2-3) are fluid, but this is the roster when the remaining rookies are signed.
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Post#747 » by VeganKingsFan » Fri Jul 7, 2017 2:13 am

Starting lineup for game 1: George Hill, Garrett Temple, Vince Carter, Zach Randolph, Kosta Koufos. Welcome to the grindhouse. I'm kidding, don't kill me. Maybe they can start but only play 20 minutes each (probably more for Hill) just to send a message to the young guys that they have to work for the starting spots. Imagine Fox, Hield, Bogdanovic, Skal and Willie flying at you coming off the bench though.
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Post#748 » by blind prophet » Fri Jul 7, 2017 3:01 am

VeganKingsFan wrote:Starting lineup for game 1: George Hill, Garrett Temple, Vince Carter, Zach Randolph, Kosta Koufos. Welcome to the grindhouse. I'm kidding, don't kill me. Maybe they can start but only play 20 minutes each (probably more for Hill) just to send a message to the young guys that they have to work for the starting spots. Imagine Fox, Hield, Bogdanovic, Skal and Willie flying at you coming off the bench though.


LOL the old man lineup is pretty tough.

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Post#749 » by blind prophet » Fri Jul 7, 2017 3:08 am

Hill 31
Temple 31
Carter 40
Randolph 36 (birthday in July)
Kosta 28

166 years

Fox 19
Hield 23
Bogdan 25 (August birthday)
Skal 21
WCS 24 (August)

112 years

54 years apart, You could add Vlade as a mascot on the floor to the kids as an active player and still have 5 years of cap space.
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Post#750 » by Lost in LA » Fri Jul 7, 2017 3:20 am

The only one which makes me scratch my head is Carter, as it seems a lot of money for a coach/mentor. I hope everyone else on here is right about this one.
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Post#751 » by sacking123 » Fri Jul 7, 2017 3:23 am

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SacKingZZZ wrote:I guess he fits the plan. Salary is a little high IMO and cuts a major chunk out of the flexibility they could have had going into the year in case a team gets desperate to dump some salary.


Yeah but I think anyone worth their salt would have come at a similar # (Simmons and Sefolosha). We're looking at around 9-10mil in cap space left after signing Fox and Mason (Jackson and Giles already inked). That does limit us but I love the team setup now.

Papa and WCS learn from KK
Skal and GIles learn from Zbo
Malachi and JJ learn from VC
Hield and BB learn from Temple
Fox and Mason learn from Hill

Almost like they planned this out. :nod:

It really is. Terrific work by the FO and Joerger I would say.
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Post#752 » by blind prophet » Fri Jul 7, 2017 3:25 am

Lost in LA wrote:The only one which makes me scratch my head is Carter, as it seems a lot of money for a coach/mentor. I hope everyone else on here is right about this one.


We needed to reach the salary floor.
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Post#753 » by City of Trees » Fri Jul 7, 2017 3:52 am

I know Vlade had the vision to plug the leaks and lead this roster to where we want it to go, but I cant help but notice the credibility Perry brought to the front office. He has removed so many road blocks for Vlade it's truly amazing. My Initial grade for the draft and Free agency is : A

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Post#754 » by VeganKingsFan » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:07 am

The DeMarcus Cousins trade really gave the Kings a future. What everybody was going crazy about for not getting enough in return may be looked back at as what completely turned the franchise around.

We wouldn't have had either first round pick. We wouldn't have Buddy Hield. We wouldn't have seen Skal and Willie blossom or Papagiannis show us flashes of what he can be. No Fox, Justin Jackson or Harry Giles. No young team to bring in Z-Bo, George Hill and Vinsanity for. We'd have DeMarcus Cousins ready to eat up a $200 million contract and a mediocre team around him. Don't doubt Vlade.
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Post#755 » by City of Trees » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:15 am

VeganKingsFan wrote:The DeMarcus Cousins trade really gave the Kings a future. What everybody was going crazy about for not getting enough in return may be looked back at as what completely turned the franchise around.

We wouldn't have had either first round pick. We wouldn't have Buddy Hield. We wouldn't have seen Skal and Willie blossom or Papagiannis show us flashes of what he can be. No Fox, Justin Jackson or Harry Giles. No young team to bring in Z-Bo, George Hill and Vinsanity for. We'd have DeMarcus Cousins ready to eat up a $200 million contract and a mediocre team around him. Don't doubt Vlade.

Vivek ok'd the trade.

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Post#756 » by KingsMilz » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:21 am

I would really now look into packaging Koufus/Temple for a decent SF either coming off a down season (e.g Carroll/Kent Bazemore although his contract is a bit excessive) pr looking to absorb contract. With Hill he makes Temple (who I really like) somewhat redundant in particular if they also plan on playing Bogdan (there's just not enough minutes if all are on the team) which I assume they do since signing him to like a 3-4 year deal. Z-Bo/Hill/VC can tutor those guys.

As bad as he was last year I would not mind giving Solomon Hill another shot the guy is built to last physically and is a explosive athlete/defender although clearly overpaid @12mil per year who played fairly well with his name sake in Indiana.

Denver badly needs perimeter defense so maybe a three way type deal where we get Chandler and they get Temple/something else they could use from a 3rd team and that 3rd team gets KK.

With WCS/Skal/Z-Bo playing a lot and wanting to develop Big Papa I just see zero need for KK at this point.
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Post#757 » by VeganKingsFan » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:23 am

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VeganKingsFan wrote:The DeMarcus Cousins trade really gave the Kings a future. What everybody was going crazy about for not getting enough in return may be looked back at as what completely turned the franchise around.

We wouldn't have had either first round pick. We wouldn't have Buddy Hield. We wouldn't have seen Skal and Willie blossom or Papagiannis show us flashes of what he can be. No Fox, Justin Jackson or Harry Giles. No young team to bring in Z-Bo, George Hill and Vinsanity for. We'd have DeMarcus Cousins ready to eat up a $200 million contract and a mediocre team around him. Don't doubt Vlade.

Vivek ok'd the trade.

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Post#758 » by City of Trees » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:27 am

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VeganKingsFan wrote:The DeMarcus Cousins trade really gave the Kings a future. What everybody was going crazy about for not getting enough in return may be looked back at as what completely turned the franchise around.

We wouldn't have had either first round pick. We wouldn't have Buddy Hield. We wouldn't have seen Skal and Willie blossom or Papagiannis show us flashes of what he can be. No Fox, Justin Jackson or Harry Giles. No young team to bring in Z-Bo, George Hill and Vinsanity for. We'd have DeMarcus Cousins ready to eat up a $200 million contract and a mediocre team around him. Don't doubt Vlade.

Vivek ok'd the trade.

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Post#760 » by SacKingZZZ » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:57 am

VeganKingsFan wrote:The DeMarcus Cousins trade really gave the Kings a future. What everybody was going crazy about for not getting enough in return may be looked back at as what completely turned the franchise around.

We wouldn't have had either first round pick. We wouldn't have Buddy Hield. We wouldn't have seen Skal and Willie blossom or Papagiannis show us flashes of what he can be. No Fox, Justin Jackson or Harry Giles. No young team to bring in Z-Bo, George Hill and Vinsanity for. We'd have DeMarcus Cousins ready to eat up a $200 million contract and a mediocre team around him. Don't doubt Vlade.



If the Kings ended up with Tucker, and some of the other names they went after this year I'd be a little disappointed that it didn't happen when Cuz was here because there were a ton of options in FA to put around someone like him this year. They still would have been good fits with the crew now because of needs, but I think Vlade knew that putting a team around Cuz was going down the tubes if from nothing more than a cap perspective. This is possibly an era of almost a flat cap, and as it is revenues might be down again next year do to the east now being almost entirely irrelevant. You have to have most of your pieces in place before paying one player nearly half of your cap. I could look at Utahs cap situation and see how that probably played a huge part in them losing Hayward. Without fail, it seems to be cap restrictions with middle rung teams that is causing them to lose their franchise players and in the end the fans suffer. This is why we are starting to see situations of players getting together and trying to put a super team together like in Miami, which we may see next year with some of these big names that will be on the market. Besides the competitive imbalance with even just one other super team necessitating it, the cap does as well.

The super max was a good idea in theory, but in the end it will be only good for those teams with a superstar that's on a team already in major contention. It won't help smaller market teams that are sitting in the middle. In fact, it will probably keep them in the middle for the majority of that contract. The NBA is going to have to look at a way of closing the gap between it's highest and lowest paid players because under the rules of trade restrictions it's just going to make it harder to make deals with those players so teams can get some type of value.

Now of course the Kings FO prior to, and maybe even partly when Vlade was here, can share the blame. They whiffed on too many drafts and put too many lotto pick players on the bench to fade away into the land of zero value. But that's what happened, and why yes, moving Cousins was probably completely necessary. Now the Kings have a chance to start over. I'm down with the mentor thing up to the point that it's starts negatively effecting asset value and/or productivity. There is a line there and I just hope that Vlade, Joerger, and co. know where it is.

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