2016 Free Agency Thread

Silver Man · Post #781 » by **Silver Man** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:25 am

benchmobbin02 wrote:Combo guard Tony Wroten was waived by the Grizz. Another guy we should have a look at. Size , handles, court vision, athleticism and developmental potential (he is 22).

Wouldn't hurt to give him a training camp invite.

LightTheBeam · Post #782 » by **LightTheBeam** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:54 am

I'd like us to give Ty Lawson a look, obviously unless he really has a serious alcohol problem that was reported. Houston was terrible for him just a bad overall fit, going back to 14/15 the guy averaged 15 and 10, if it works out he would be an awesome backup to have.

Looking at the trade market their really isn't much out there for point guards. Really would be nice to find a 3 team deal with us sending out a combo of Gay, Koufos and McLemore while getting Dragic back but just not sure what is out there.

benchmobbin02 · Post #783 » by **benchmobbin02** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:00 am

Isaiah Canaan signed with the Bulls, 2yrs 2.2mil. Another PG bites the dust.

Post #784 » by **City of Trees** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:01 am

RipPizzaGuy wrote:I'd like us to give Ty Lawson a look, obviously unless he really has a serious alcohol problem that was reported. Houston was terrible for him just a bad overall fit, going back to 14/15 the guy averaged 15 and 10, if it works out he would be an awesome backup to have.

Looking at the trade market their really isn't much out there for point guards. Really would be nice to find a 3 team deal with us sending out a combo of Gay, Koufos and McLemore while getting Dragic back but just not sure what is out there.

IMO Ty Lawson is never returning to form and would be a waste of time.

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SacSanity · Post #785 » by **SacSanity** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:05 am

City of Trees wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:I'd like us to give Ty Lawson a look, obviously unless he really has a serious alcohol problem that was reported. Houston was terrible for him just a bad overall fit, going back to 14/15 the guy averaged 15 and 10, if it works out he would be an awesome backup to have.

Looking at the trade market their really isn't much out there for point guards. Really would be nice to find a 3 team deal with us sending out a combo of Gay, Koufos and McLemore while getting Dragic back but just not sure what is out there.

IMO Ty Lawson is never returning to form and would be a waste of time.

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We need to sign Chalmbers asap. I dont know why he hasn't been picked up.

Post #786 » by **City of Trees** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:07 am

SacTown916 wrote:
City of Trees wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:I'd like us to give Ty Lawson a look, obviously unless he really has a serious alcohol problem that was reported. Houston was terrible for him just a bad overall fit, going back to 14/15 the guy averaged 15 and 10, if it works out he would be an awesome backup to have.

Looking at the trade market their really isn't much out there for point guards. Really would be nice to find a 3 team deal with us sending out a combo of Gay, Koufos and McLemore while getting Dragic back but just not sure what is out there.

IMO Ty Lawson is never returning to form and would be a waste of time.

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We need to sign Chalmbers asap. I dont know why he hasn't been picked up.

Im sure the reason is he's coming off that achillies injury.

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nolimit0820 · Post #787 » by **nolimit0820** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:09 am

If we bring in any PG that starts over Collison we need to in turn trade collison. if we bring in Dragic somehow collison needs to go out. He won't accept a back up spot IMO. If DC is on the roster he starts. And I'm thinking that's a good thing for us.

Post #788 » by **City of Trees** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:12 am

nolimit0820 wrote:If we bring in any PG that starts over Collison we need to in turn trade collison. if we bring in Dragic somehow collison needs to go out. He won't accept a back up spot IMO. If DC is on the roster he starts. And I'm thinking that's a good thing for us.

That makes sense but the part that bothers me is what the Kings get in return for a back up PG with a domestic violence suspension looming?

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nolimit0820 · Post #789 » by **nolimit0820** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:41 am

^ so true. It seems as if they know something we don't. Like maybe the suspension is short? Because if it's anything more then 15 games were in trouble. Now go get a guy like Pat Bev aaaaaand we're set up.

Package centered around Rudy and KK for Beverly and Ariza???

Post #790 » by **City of Trees** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:52 am

nolimit0820 wrote:^ so true. It seems as if they know something we don't. Like maybe the suspension is short? Because if it's anything more then 15 games were in trouble. Now go get a guy like Pat Bev aaaaaand we're set up.

Package centered around Rudy and KK for Beverly and Ariza???

I like that trade. However after watching Papagiannis in SL leaves me doubting his ability to fill the back up Center position right away. Maybe there could be some variation where WCS gets a lot of back up C minutes? I don't know. At this point if I'm Vlade I rethink trading Koufos.

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jeffjtk1234 · Post #791 » by **jeffjtk1234** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:03 am

Pretty sure they are waiting until they make a trade to see where they stand on the pg front. And I think they think temple can play some minutes there although that remains to be seen. I also have a feeling afflalo will Bring the ball up at times as well.

So where do we take our trade talk to now that the trade thread is locked? Lol

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jeffjtk1234 · Post #792 » by **jeffjtk1234** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:04 am

City of Trees wrote:
nolimit0820 wrote:^ so true. It seems as if they know something we don't. Like maybe the suspension is short? Because if it's anything more then 15 games were in trouble. Now go get a guy like Pat Bev aaaaaand we're set up.

Package centered around Rudy and KK for Beverly and Ariza???

I like that trade. However after watching Papagiannis in SL leaves me doubting his ability to fill the back up Center position right away. Maybe there could be some variation where WCS gets a lot of back up C minutes? I don't know. At this point if I'm Vlade I rethink trading Koufos.

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I've absolutely soured on trading koufos. Papa doesn't look remotely ready. Hell Skal looks more ready than big Papa

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nolimit0820 · Post #793 » by **nolimit0820** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:37 am

It seems the sentiment of the board in regard to KK is he's a solid backup to DMC, but an atrocious fit next to him. Skal looks ready for spot minutes at the four...love the Rasheed Wallace turn around jumper!

LightTheBeam · Post #794 » by **LightTheBeam** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:45 am

jeffjtk1234 wrote:
City of Trees wrote:
nolimit0820 wrote:^ so true. It seems as if they know something we don't. Like maybe the suspension is short? Because if it's anything more then 15 games were in trouble. Now go get a guy like Pat Bev aaaaaand we're set up.

Package centered around Rudy and KK for Beverly and Ariza???

I like that trade. However after watching Papagiannis in SL leaves me doubting his ability to fill the back up Center position right away. Maybe there could be some variation where WCS gets a lot of back up C minutes? I don't know. At this point if I'm Vlade I rethink trading Koufos.

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I've absolutely soured on trading koufos. Papa doesn't look remotely ready. Hell Skal looks more ready than big Papa

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The thing is that if we trade Gay and Kk for Ariza and Beverly we will still be fine. Ideally Cousins plays around 35 minutes at center, WCS can play the other 13 at center while getting the rest of his minutes at PF.

Cousins (34) WCS (14)
WCS (15) Tolliver (15) Barnes (18)
Ariza (28) Casspi (20)
Afflalo (28) Mclemore (14) Temple (6)
Collison (28) Beverly (20)

It can go something like this. Obviously with injuries others will be forced to step up and play more minutes and on any given night things may be different based on matchup. With Afflalo/Ariza/Casspi/Barnes you have multiple athletic wing type players playing 3 at a time can be advantageous.

enderwilson · Post #795 » by **enderwilson** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:18 pm

RipPizzaGuy wrote:The thing is that if we trade Gay and Kk for Ariza and Beverly we will still be fine. Ideally Cousins plays around 35 minutes at center, WCS can play the other 13 at center while getting the rest of his minutes at PF.

Cousins (34) WCS (14)
WCS (15) Tolliver (15) Barnes (18)
Ariza (28) Casspi (20)
Afflalo (28) Mclemore (14) Temple (6)
Collison (28) Beverly (20)

It can go something like this. Obviously with injuries others will be forced to step up and play more minutes and on any given night things may be different based on matchup. With Afflalo/Ariza/Casspi/Barnes you have multiple athletic wing type players playing 3 at a time can be advantageous.

This AND we still want Skal and PapaG to get SOME burn. While they're not going to get major minutes, their development still needs to be managed. Keeping KK around will still eat into that.

PetrieUnderstudy · Post #796 » by **PetrieUnderstudy** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:30 pm

RipPizzaGuy wrote:
jeffjtk1234 wrote:
City of Trees wrote:I like that trade. However after watching Papagiannis in SL leaves me doubting his ability to fill the back up Center position right away. Maybe there could be some variation where WCS gets a lot of back up C minutes? I don't know. At this point if I'm Vlade I rethink trading Koufos.

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I've absolutely soured on trading koufos. Papa doesn't look remotely ready. Hell Skal looks more ready than big Papa

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The thing is that if we trade Gay and Kk for Ariza and Beverly we will still be fine. Ideally Cousins plays around 35 minutes at center, WCS can play the other 13 at center while getting the rest of his minutes at PF.

Cousins (34) WCS (14)
WCS (15) Tolliver (15) Barnes (18)
Ariza (28) Casspi (20)
Afflalo (28) Mclemore (14) Temple (6)
Collison (28) Beverly (20)

It can go something like this. Obviously with injuries others will be forced to step up and play more minutes and on any given night things may be different based on matchup. With Afflalo/Ariza/Casspi/Barnes you have multiple athletic wing type players playing 3 at a time can be advantageous.

The Kings didn't sign Temple at $8 million/yr to play 6 minutes a game. McLemore will likely be gone. I'd say Barnes will get more than 18 minutes and WCS less than 29.

Jkam31 · Post #797 » by **Jkam31** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:35 pm

DozenCousins do you know if we have any interest in Blake Griffin?
If Boston trades for Westbrook I think we should make an attempt clearly doc loves Gay.
We could find a team to take WCS to help in the trade. Fine example

kings: Griffin

Clippers: Gay/Moneroe/ Bucks 1st (top 5 protected)

Bucks: WCS/Ben

When Paul was hurt Blake was a top 5 player in is the real deal. Blake worked well with DJ now put him with DMC who can space the floor and he'd have dunks all day running picks with Collison.

Collison/temple
AA/Richardson
Barnes/Casspi
Blake/Oliver
Cousins/Koufos

I think we'd be 4-5 in the west with GS/Spurs/Clippers being better.

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LightTheBeam · Post #798 » by **LightTheBeam** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:38 pm

PetrieUnderstudy wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:
jeffjtk1234 wrote:
I've absolutely soured on trading koufos. Papa doesn't look remotely ready. Hell Skal looks more ready than big Papa

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The thing is that if we trade Gay and Kk for Ariza and Beverly we will still be fine. Ideally Cousins plays around 35 minutes at center, WCS can play the other 13 at center while getting the rest of his minutes at PF.

Cousins (34) WCS (14)
WCS (15) Tolliver (15) Barnes (18)
Ariza (28) Casspi (20)
Afflalo (28) Mclemore (14) Temple (6)
Collison (28) Beverly (20)

It can go something like this. Obviously with injuries others will be forced to step up and play more minutes and on any given night things may be different based on matchup. With Afflalo/Ariza/Casspi/Barnes you have multiple athletic wing type players playing 3 at a time can be advantageous.

The Kings didn't sign Temple at $8 million/yr to play 6 minutes a game. McLemore will likely be gone. I'd say Barnes will get more than 18 minutes and WCS less than 29.

As I said "it can get something like this" not saying that will be the exact breakdown. I hope Barnes gets more than 18 minutes as well but as of right now we have a ton of rotation players. WCS should get at least 29 minutes especially if we trade Koufos. In games he played over 30mpg last season we did really well.

I understand about temple but that was a mistake to sign him for that. I'd much rather give those minutes to Mclemore if he's still on the team. Temple isn't really a good basketball player, I get the feeling he's more of a situational type player who was brought in for the locker room because there's no indication he's a good basketball player. Only way I see him getting big minutes is if he can be our backup pg, time will tell.

bleeds_purple · Post #799 » by **bleeds_purple** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:35 pm

City of Trees wrote:I like that trade. However after watching Papagiannis in SL leaves me doubting his ability to fill the back up Center position right away. Maybe there could be some variation where WCS gets a lot of back up C minutes? I don't know. At this point if I'm Vlade I rethink trading Koufos.

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This is partially depends on what moves we make (moving Gay would obviously change the calculus here) but say we swapped Koufos for a backup PG we would have plenty of players to fill the 4/5.

Cousins and WCS start. WCS gets the 12-15 backup C minutes. Which leaves 30-odd minutes at PF which would be filled by Casspi/Gay/Tolliver/Skal. That's honestly too many players as is even when considering 48 of the Casspi/Gay minutes will be at the 3. This is part of the reason I mentioned earlier that Tolliver could easily fall out of the rotation.

Post #800 » by **City of Trees** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:25 pm

Yeah but you guys need to take into account Cousins doesn't play all 82 games plus he finds himself in foul trouble. I dont know if the Kings can win with WCS as your Center and Tolliver/Skal at PF.

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