Trade Idea Thread 15-16

[Crimson King]

Im my opinion, giving Collison is too much (now that they don't have Ish Smith to sweeten lol), but I like the basics of the Pelicans trade. Trading Gay for shooters could be an intermediate solution to see what happens before taking a more drastic decision.

[dozencousins]

Here is an update from my earlier post of New Orleans proposing a trade to us . That for now is not happening but Kings are making it clear that a deal with New Orleans is possible down the line they like R.Anderson a lot .

That said more info to update everyone on . Kings Organization is all in knots right now they are sooooooo close to firing Karl if we lost to the SUNS Saturday that could be it & if not between that date & after the Lakers game on the 7th we could see a Major shake up .
If karl is fired I am 95% sure Nancy Lieberman could finish out our season as H.Coach . Karl has a lot of solid defenders on his team that he is not playing or playing enough and Management is not happy at all . He is for the most part playing all scorers and the team is not defending . Karl is not managing his roster well at all . He blames his players for not playing defense and yet he won't play players that will actually defend .

Know this Kings roster nobody is now safe . Kings really want to keep Cousins and more than likely will keep him anything can happen though . Rudy Gay is the Most likely bigger named King to be traded it is possible Cousins or Rohndo could be dealt but less likely especially Cousins again no one is safe though .

If the Kings keep CUZ Players they aquire are likely vets if they blow it up they will go after lots of future # 1's and young players .
Kings really want to do everything they can to keep CUZ & add Vets though as they really want to open the new Arena with a really good team and an Organization on the Rise and not a failure .

Kings have not had 1 single conversation with any team about trading CUZ as of yet .
Kings have had light conversation with teams in regards to players such as M.Morris ( Suns ) , R.Anderson & K.Martin ( Wolves )

[City of Trees]

Here is my Cousins to Boston trade:

Cousins
Collison

For

IT
Bradley
Sullinger
Brooklyn 2016 pick


I could live with that. Love to get IT back.

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[Feilong]

Your thoughts on this trade (financially balanced).
Martin, Miller, Dieng for Koufos, McLemore, Curry

[Andrew McCeltic]

Here is my Cousins to Boston trade:

Cousins
Collison

For

IT
Bradley
Sullinger
Brooklyn 2016 pick


I could live with that. Love to get IT back.

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FWIW, I don't think Boston does that. Our board likes IT, Bradley has been a huge surprise.. And we've sort of soured on Cousins- most of us would be split on Sully/David Lee's expiring/Brooklyn '16 pick, not because of the talent involved (it's a very fair trade, IMO) but because the longer Boogie does Boogie, the more we've started to doubt that Boston can be an environment to mold him into a mature and productive player. It isn't fair to him, but the more coaches and players go through Sacramento, the more he looks like the only common denominator.

Love the idea of Gay+ for Gordon and Anderson on talent, and the chemistry/fit gamble, but the expirings are a bigger risk for you than the committed money is for NOP.

[City of Trees]

Here is my Cousins to Boston trade:

Cousins
Collison

For

IT
Bradley
Sullinger
Brooklyn 2016 pick


I could live with that. Love to get IT back.

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FWIW, I don't think Boston does that. Our board likes IT, Bradley has been a huge surprise.. And we've sort of soured on Cousins- most of us would be split on Sully/David Lee's expiring/Brooklyn '16 pick, not because of the talent involved (it's a very fair trade, IMO) but because the longer Boogie does Boogie, the more we've started to doubt that Boston can be an environment to mold him into a mature and productive player. It isn't fair to him, but the more coaches and players go through Sacramento, the more he looks like the only common denominator.

Love the idea of Gay+ for Gordon and Anderson on talent, and the chemistry/fit gamble, but the expirings are a bigger risk for you than the committed money is for NOP.

I can understand that point of view. It's sad because a good amount of Cousins struggles this season are coming from Karl's system. I mean really who takes over a team and puts the leagues most physically dominating presence around the rim out on the 3 point line? Makes no freaking sense! Unfortunately for Cousins he made his bed with previous coaches so now he's gotta lay in this with Karl.

Gay for Anderson/Gordon doesn't work financially. If it did I wouldn't mind that trade but when the Kings have to add Collison to make it work I have a problem.

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[City of Trees]

Your thoughts on this trade (financially balanced).
Martin, Miller, Dieng for Koufos, McLemore, Curry

I break this down as

Martin for McLemore
Dieng for Koufus
Miller for Curry

Only interest I might have here is Dieng but I honestly don't like anything about this trade.

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[SacKingZZZ]

I think part of the reason you send Cuz to Boston is so he can play with IT again. You want their young assets and picks, not decent middle run talent. Just like they don't want to gut their team for superior talent. I say multiple future picks back and you send Rondo too if they want him. The Kings would have pretty much no need for him after Cuz is moved. If Cuz is moved it's rebuild and hording picks time not a Karl team that might make it to the 8th seed with him suffering the same fate as any other time he's faced GS.

[Kings2013]

I said this in the other thread but since this is the trade thread, I don't want Cousins moved personally but for those who do you might be surprised at what he fetches now. His value is at its low point per talent due to this year. He has top 5-10 talent when utilized properly but that's not his value due to play under Karl and off court reputation.

As a general rule when your thinking about moving someone it's a lot of the time when other teams are reticent of paying a lot for them

[Andrew McCeltic]

The other surprising (and maybe encouraging) thing about all the Kings' drama is that Cousins, even though he doesn't have much leverage, hasn't actually come out and requested a trade.

[Kings2013]

The other surprising (and maybe encouraging) thing about all the Kings' drama is that Cousins, even though he doesn't have much leverage, hasn't actually come out and requested a trade.

Why would he? This is a person who joked about Lebron joining up with the other two in Miami. He's a loyal guy, and wants to win with the team that drafted him.

http://www.slamonline.com/antidote/#H4utAorsfctVLpR0.99

SLAM: It seems like you guys are starting to turn the page, like you’re changing the energy. What do you think about the city?

DMC: I love Sacramento. I consider this home, so that’s not the problem. The losing is.

SLAM: So you working on your legacy?

DMC: All that comes into play. I want my legacy to be here, I want my number in the rafters here. I want that storyline to be he changed things around in Sacramento.


For a lot of players requesting a trade is an admission that you can't get it done with the team that drafted you

[Andrew McCeltic]

I wouldn't make too much of those comments, that's boiler-plate when you're asked about the city you're in- you love the city and the fans, you just don't like losing. Ridiculously easy to pivot to 'I wanted my number in the rafters here, but I couldn't change things around in Sacramento when the front office made my job so hard'...

[SacKingZZZ]

Houston is a team I would be interested in a deal for Rudy. I say maybe a bigger deal and target some of their defenders, some of which the Kings went after in the summer. I'd look at something along the lines of:

Kings trade:

Rudy Gay
Darren Collison
Kosta Koufos

Rockets trade:

Trevor Ariza
Corey Brewer
Patrick Beverley
Terrence Jones

On the surface the Kings are giving up way more productive players but you just swapped it for players that if the Kings still don't improve defensively then Karl has to give himself a swirly because he wanted defenders? He got it. The Rockets get some players that will take some offensive pressure off of Harden and some big man help to take pressure off of Howard. The bad thing for the Kings is you are giving up a legit number 2 option when used right and a star type in Gay which sucks, but if he doesn't fit and Rondo does it might just be between he and Omri. Right now Omri is someone you can go to war with. It reminds me of the Hedo/Peja conundrum back in the day. Impact vs. talent. You'd like to hang onto Kosta but clearly the battle many Kings fans are going to be waging is the one with his usage of lack thereof of Willie. This puts him in there as a consistent contributor in the role of backup PF/C. There isn't enough room for Willie and Kosta off the bench if Karl plays small.

[SacKingZZZ]

I wouldn't make too much of those comments, that's boiler-plate when you're asked about the city you're in- you love the city and the fans, you just don't like losing. Ridiculously easy to pivot to 'I wanted my number in the rafters here, but I couldn't change things around in Sacramento when the front office made my job so hard'...

Nah, he's had way too many chances to ask out. Even when he supposedly asked out before, it was Westphal pulling a power play because Cousins said if you don't want me than trade me. When the fans turn on him is when this will get iffy. They kind of started to and I did notice kind of a carefree attitude from Cuz in the last game, which was either a really good thing, or a bad thing.

[Kings2013]

I think part of the reason you send Cuz to Boston is so he can play with IT again. You want their young assets and picks, not decent middle run talent. Just like they don't want to gut their team for superior talent. I say multiple future picks back and you send Rondo too if they want him. The Kings would have pretty much no need for him after Cuz is moved. If Cuz is moved it's rebuild and hording picks time not a Karl team that might make it to the 8th seed with him suffering the same fate as any other time he's faced GS.

Is this a hypo or suggestion? The team wouldn't just throw in Rondo, he's arguably top 10 PG, can function without DMC and can have a Kidd/Nash elongated career. A lot of the rest of the roster is win now - Gay/Casspi/Collison etc etc. Cousins is still young enough to be part of a build, and you are hoping a draft pick becomes as good as him. Karl will be fired IMO before Cousins or the rest of the roster would be determined

[SacKingZZZ]

I think part of the reason you send Cuz to Boston is so he can play with IT again. You want their young assets and picks, not decent middle run talent. Just like they don't want to gut their team for superior talent. I say multiple future picks back and you send Rondo too if they want him. The Kings would have pretty much no need for him after Cuz is moved. If Cuz is moved it's rebuild and hording picks time not a Karl team that might make it to the 8th seed with him suffering the same fate as any other time he's faced GS.

Is this a hypo or suggestion? The team wouldn't just throw in Rondo, he's arguably top 10 PG, can function without DMC and can have a Kidd/Nash elongated career. A lot of the rest of the roster is win now - Gay/Casspi/Collison etc etc. Cousins is still young enough to be part of a build, and you are hoping a draft pick becomes as good as him. Karl will be fired IMO before Cousins or the rest of the roster would be determined

Of course it is, but do you think Rondo re-signs here if there is a plan to rebuild? Not going to happen.

[sportscrazy]

In a multi-team trade:

The Kings trade DeMarcus Cousins for:

-Jahlil Okafor
-The Kings Own 2018 First Round Draft Pick (or 2019) Returned via Philly
-Kings Right to Swap the lower of Philadelphia's and Sacramento's 2017 First Round Draft Pick with the Lakers 2017 First Round Draft Pick
-$11+ Million Traded Player Exception

[Jkam31]

Why are people still throwing out Cousin trades?!?


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[enderwilson]

I wouldn't make too much of those comments, that's boiler-plate when you're asked about the city you're in- you love the city and the fans, you just don't like losing. Ridiculously easy to pivot to 'I wanted my number in the rafters here, but I couldn't change things around in Sacramento when the front office made my job so hard'...

BUT you also need to consider where the words are coming from. While it's convenient to believe that this is a 'canned' response that all agents whisper in their client's ears to say, this is boogie we're talking about. This is the guy who has been labeled a bad seed for wearing his heart on his sleeve too much. For being too honest and outwardly expressive about his feelings. It's hard for me to see his positive comments about living in Sacramento to be anything but sincere. Especially when he doesn't have to say such things. He may be tough for fans to take because of his frequent dour attitude, but one thing he's not is dubious about his feelings.

[codydaze]

I wouldn't make too much of those comments, that's boiler-plate when you're asked about the city you're in- you love the city and the fans, you just don't like losing. Ridiculously easy to pivot to 'I wanted my number in the rafters here, but I couldn't change things around in Sacramento when the front office made my job so hard'...

BUT you also need to consider where the words are coming from. While it's convenient to believe that this is a 'canned' response that all agents whisper in their client's ears to say, this is boogie we're talking about. This is the guy who has been labeled a bad seed for wearing his heart on his sleeve too much. For being too honest and outwardly expressive about his feelings. It's hard for me to see his positive comments about living in Sacramento to be anything but sincere. Especially when he doesn't have to say such things. He may be tough for fans to take because of his frequent dour attitude, but one thing he's not is dubious about his feelings.

Also, his brand is "Loyalty Is Love". Obviously loyalty only goes so far when we haven't given him much stability or help around him, but I think making playoffs this year or even just missing is enough to get him here in Sac for good. Would also obviously have to follow up with that success and improve for the remainder of his contract but with consistency I think that is more than possible.