16-17 Trade Discussion Thread *Read mod note on pg. 35*

[c3j3h]

Something tells me if it wasn't this you'd be complaining about something else (though I could be wrong). Some people just bring that glass half empty energy. nothing wrong with it I guess, just very foreign to a person like me, but people unlike you can teach tolerance.

Sounds like I'm talking about a basketball player and you're talking about me now...And you want to talk about tolerance? It sounds to me like you're intolerant of opinions that you disagree with. So in your mind, there's got to be something wrong with me as a person?

I think your intolerant of others views. The majority of Sacramento Kings RealGM supports Cousins on the team heading forward, and he will be to start the season (93% at least)

You have the minority and antagonistic view, which in itself isn't the problem. The fact that you don't let the rest of the forum voice it's views without constant injertection/rebutting/hijacking gets old quick. Your one voice

Sounds like you just proved my point man. This is fun. Who cares what the majority of the forum thinks? I'm not allowed to voice my opinion because the majority of people here disagree with it???

[c3j3h]

I posted in our last trade thread roughly 2 weeks ago or a bit longer than that of our interest in Rozier and talks of a 3 team deal involving
Boston so this is not really news to me . Seems odd to me you post Info along the same lines as me and some are believing you maybe because your a Mod I don't know ? I post the info way before you did and some others don't believe or start drama .

Anyways I believe you because I have inside info with the Kings for the past 3 seasons and though my info is slightly different than yours my info is very simular . So we both having sources might be getting the same general info but one may be getting slightly different info as well .
I am glad that you are confirming what I have been saying for awhile now however both Kings and Celtics are & have been talking with a # of other teams as well . More so Celtics than Kings .

Why is this post necessary? Smitty is a writer who is confirmed to have sources with a few different organizations. Why do you question him when he's going out of his way to make a post informing this board about things he's heard about our particular situation?

You love to toot your own horn about little stuff like this, but you also conveniently ignore the dozens of more absurd "rumors" that you throw out there that never come close to fruition. In the last month you mentioned that the Kings were talking to the Pacers about trading Rudy Gay and a package for Paul George...which is just silly. Then you went with Rudy and Caron Butler (who was cut shortly afterwards) to Minnesota for Rubio and Zach Lavine??? Which is not even silly that's just plain crazy and makes no sense whatsoever for Minnesota.

Look, nobody here cares about you throwing out trade ideas and calling them rumors, but it gets annoying that you have to throw it in people's faces constantly. You claim you're not doing it for attention, yet you pretty clearly care a lot about the attention your posts receive or the flack you get for making them. But there's no need to go after a legitimate source like Smitty just to try to make yourself look a little better. I've been on this forum a short period of time, yet I've already seen you mention dozens of names as guys that we're supposedly targeting in a trade, so let's not act like you're the only guy that of the Kings potentially targeting Rozier as a possibility.

First I will not bash Smitty as I do not know him . You can't claim he has that many sources when you don't know if he does .
If he does great for him .
Toot my horn ? Really . No not doing that just simply saying people like You who are haters seem to only believe everyone else but an actually person who has a source in your own board ? LMAO
Anyways I am sure I know what your doing and you are just another starting drama . Tell your friends not to use you into playing games in your posts .

You don't want to believe me go ahead don't believe me you don't like my posts ignore them .
If you have nothing better to do than to start drama then you do not have a lot going on . If this is the highlight of your day to start issues then that is truly sad .

I feel like you post this every time somebody questions something you post. Whatever floats your boat man I really don't care about what you post. Post all the rumors your heart desires, I think it's fun. It's just annoying that you're constantly making statements like the bolded one above. It's like you want recognition for the things you post, even though, from what I can see, at least 95% of it is pure conjecture.

[c3j3h]

It seems the Koufos trade chatter has calmed. Anyone here think he's not on the roster opening night?

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That's one thing I really gotta give Vlade credit for. It seems like since he took over, stuff stays in-house. Not nearly as many leaks coming out of the Kings Front Office.

It sounds to me like Rudy is probably not going to be on the roster on Opening Day at this point. Rumors from all over saying he hasn't "demanded" a trade, but he wants out. I feel like they're going to have a hard time moving him solo and receiving fair value in return, so they will probably have to pair him with somebody like Koufos in order to get a decent return.

I'm higher on Koufos than most Kings fans seem to be. He's a really good backup Center who does just fine when making spot starts due to injuries. I feel like his value should be in the Mozgov range. Koufos could be a great piece to hang on to and hope that somebody gets desperate for a competent Center around the Trade Deadline.

[Smitty731]

I posted in our last trade thread roughly 2 weeks ago or a bit longer than that of our interest in Rozier and talks of a 3 team deal involving
Boston so this is not really news to me . Seems odd to me you post Info along the same lines as me and some are believing you maybe because your a Mod I don't know ? I post the info way before you did and some others don't believe or start drama .

Anyways I believe you because I have inside info with the Kings for the past 3 seasons and though my info is slightly different than yours my info is very simular . So we both having sources might be getting the same general info but one may be getting slightly different info as well .
I am glad that you are confirming what I have been saying for awhile now however both Kings and Celtics are & have been talking with a # of other teams as well . More so Celtics than Kings .

Why is this post necessary? Smitty is a writer who is confirmed to have sources with a few different organizations. Why do you question him when he's going out of his way to make a post informing this board about things he's heard about our particular situation?

You love to toot your own horn about little stuff like this, but you also conveniently ignore the dozens of more absurd "rumors" that you throw out there that never come close to fruition. In the last month you mentioned that the Kings were talking to the Pacers about trading Rudy Gay and a package for Paul George...which is just silly. Then you went with Rudy and Caron Butler (who was cut shortly afterwards) to Minnesota for Rubio and Zach Lavine??? Which is not even silly that's just plain crazy and makes no sense whatsoever for Minnesota.

Look, nobody here cares about you throwing out trade ideas and calling them rumors, but it gets annoying that you have to throw it in people's faces constantly. You claim you're not doing it for attention, yet you pretty clearly care a lot about the attention your posts receive or the flack you get for making them. But there's no need to go after a legitimate source like Smitty just to try to make yourself look a little better. I've been on this forum a short period of time, yet I've already seen you mention dozens of names as guys that we're supposedly targeting in a trade, so let's not act like you're the only guy that of the Kings potentially targeting Rozier as a possibility.

First I will not bash Smitty as I do not know him . You can't claim he has that many sources when you don't know if he does .
If he does great for him .
Toot my horn ? Really . No not doing that just simply saying people like You who are haters seem to only believe everyone else but an actually person who has a source in your own board ? LMAO
Anyways I am sure I know what your doing and you are just another starting drama . Tell your friends not to use you into playing games in your posts .

You don't want to believe me go ahead don't believe me you don't like my posts ignore them .
If you have nothing better to do than to start drama then you do not have a lot going on . If this is the highlight of your day to start issues then that is truly sad .

I don't want to be a jerk, but can I be dropped out of this quote string?

[Sheva7]

It sounds to me like Rudy is probably not going to be on the roster on Opening Day at this point. Rumors from all over saying he hasn't "demanded" a trade, but he wants out. I feel like they're going to have a hard time moving him solo and receiving fair value in return, so they will probably have to pair him with somebody like Koufos in order to get a decent return.

I'm higher on Koufos than most Kings fans seem to be. He's a really good backup Center who does just fine when making spot starts due to injuries. I feel like his value should be in the Mozgov range. Koufos could be a great piece to hang on to and hope that somebody gets desperate for a competent Center around the Trade Deadline.

While I agree that he is close to Mozgov, I actually think Koufos is better. I think Koufos is better offensively, commits less TO's, and is a better rebounder. They are both good defenders. Koufos is locked in for 2 years at half the price and he is almost 3 years younger so he really should have pretty good trade value to teams needing a backup center.

As far as Gay I feel like he will most likely be traded before training camp but I would not at all be surprised if he is on our roster to start the season. Joerger seems to like him and I don't think Rudy is the type of player that will cause problems in the locker room. If we do trade him I'm pretty sure it's gonna be either Gay+ Koufos or Gay+McLemore. As much as I like Ben and still think he can be a good player, we need Koufos more with our current roster because I am not comfortable with Papagiannis as our backup Center. If Cousins is injured or in foul trouble we will be forced to play small a lot with WCS at the 5 unless Papagiannis improves a lot.

I would be fine with keeping all 3 if we can pick up a guy like toney douglas for the minimum. If not I think best case scenario is we trade Gay+McLemore for a PG that can defend and is ready to start some games and a SF that is good enough to be a role player off the bench.

[c3j3h]

It sounds to me like Rudy is probably not going to be on the roster on Opening Day at this point. Rumors from all over saying he hasn't "demanded" a trade, but he wants out. I feel like they're going to have a hard time moving him solo and receiving fair value in return, so they will probably have to pair him with somebody like Koufos in order to get a decent return.

I'm higher on Koufos than most Kings fans seem to be. He's a really good backup Center who does just fine when making spot starts due to injuries. I feel like his value should be in the Mozgov range. Koufos could be a great piece to hang on to and hope that somebody gets desperate for a competent Center around the Trade Deadline.

While I agree that he is close to Mozgov, I actually think Koufos is better. I think Koufos is better offensively, commits less TO's, and is a better rebounder. They are both good defenders. Koufos is locked in for 2 years at half the price and he is almost 3 years younger so he really should have pretty good trade value to teams needing a backup center.

As far as Gay I feel like he will most likely be traded before training camp but I would not at all be surprised if he is on our roster to start the season. Joerger seems to like him and I don't think Rudy is the type of player that will cause problems in the locker room. If we do trade him I'm pretty sure it's gonna be either Gay+ Koufos or Gay+McLemore. As much as I like Ben and still think he can be a good player, we need Koufos more with our current roster because I am not comfortable with Papagiannis as our backup Center. If Cousins is injured or in foul trouble we will be forced to play small a lot with WCS at the 5 unless Papagiannis improves a lot.

I would be fine with keeping all 3 if we can pick up a guy like toney douglas for the minimum. If not I think best case scenario is we trade Gay+McLemore for a PG that can defend and is ready to start some games and a SF that is good enough to be a role player off the bench.

I actually agree with you. I had this debate awhile back with a Kings fan who was under the impression that we should dump Koufos as quickly as possible, and it turns out that Koufos could very well be better. Here are their career stats head to head:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=koufoko01&p2=mozgoti01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

If you look at their Per 36 Minute stats, as well as the Advanced Stats, Koufos has Mozgov beat. Mozgov takes more shots, but Koufos is a better rebounder and a better defender.

On top of that, Koufos is 3 years younger than Mozgov and makes half as much money! So i agree with you that Koufos could very well be considered a more attractive piece than Mozgov, which makes me a bit surprised that there isn't more interest i him on the trade market. Perhaps our Front Office thought that Papagiannis was a bit further along than he actually is, and they realize that they need to keep Koufos around for another year? I can't imagine the trade market for Koufos is dry right now.

[Sheva7]

which makes me a bit surprised that there isn't more interest i him on the trade market. Perhaps our Front Office thought that Papagiannis was a bit further along than he actually is, and they realize that they need to keep Koufos around for another year? I can't imagine the trade market for Koufos is dry right now.

It's definitely possible that they feel Papagiannis needs more time and that we need to keep Koufos. I think it's most likely that Vlade is happy with keeping him but he also knows that he is a piece that we could afford to move but only in a deal that will strengthen other positions and make our team better. I think Koufos, McLemore, and Gay are all in this same situation. They are all players that we are fine with keeping or moving but we are only going to move them in a deal that gets us solid role players that fill a need and can improve our team right away. With Koufos I would guess there are multiple teams interested but with most teams over the cap it is probably pretty hard to match salaries with a role player that a team is willing to trade and that we think will make us better. In the end I think Vlade is making the right decision in not trading them unless he gets a deal that will make us better.

[RKL]

Mozgov, Randle, Williams, Young and future 1st for Cousins and Gay.

[Kings2013]

Mozgov, Randle, Williams, Young and future 1st for Cousins and Gay.

Come on man... Making Laker fans look bad

[Sheva7]

Mozgov, Randle, Williams, Young and future 1st for Cousins and Gay.

Mozgov is a huge minus with what is probably the worst contract in the NBA right now, Young is also a huge minus, Randle hasn't shown much so far, and Williams is a bad fit on our team.

You really think we are going to take your bad contracts+ two average assets and a future 1st for Cousins and Gay? You aren't getting Cousins without giving up at least Ingram and Russell. I wouldn't even trade Gay for Mozgov, Williams, and Young.

[Jkam31]

The guy is obviously trolling


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[mlloyd10]

Your Thoughts

Celtics get: Monroe/McLemore
Kings get: Jerebko/MCW/Vaughn
Bucks get: Johnson/Gay

[benchmobbin02]

Your Thoughts

Celtics get: Monroe/McLemore
Kings get: Jerebko/MCW/Vaughn
Bucks get: Johnson/Gay

Kings would need a pick or 2 with the deal IMO. Other than that the player movement fits.

[Sheva7]

Your Thoughts

Celtics get: Monroe/McLemore
Kings get: Jerebko/MCW/Vaughn
Bucks get: Johnson/Gay

I have no interest in jerebko, MCW, or Vaughn.

[bleeds_purple]

It seems the Koufos trade chatter has calmed. Anyone here think he's not on the roster opening night?

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My speculation is we attempted to move him (and likely Gay and/or McLemore) and found out there was little to no market for him.

[SacKingZZZ]

Yeah, the Kings get the short end on that deal.

The lack of communication between Vlade and the players is a little concerning, but even moreso the lack of communication between Joerger and the players if that's the case. I'm starting to wonder if indeed Gay going out is another Joerger thing. It would explain the wing pickups even more. But going as is without Gay as that secondary scoring talent would be a dangerous move if the season comes along and they end up being incorrect in thinking Cuz and a bunch of role players could get it done. Then again, look at what Joerger did last year, so who knows.

[c3j3h]

That Rudy Gay interview was depressing to read. That does not sound like a man that is happy or content in the situation he is in. At this point, I hope they trade him even if only to spare him from this mess. He isn't the greatest player but he seems like a pretty good guy. He deserves to have a shot at making a playoff run somewhere.

It sounds like he wants to play for the Clippers, and the Clippers could definitely use him. Hopefully they can find a way to make some sort of 3-team trade to get him to a good situation and find a decent return for the Kings in the process. I feel like if he is still here on Opening Night, it's not going to turn out well.

[Zaccai]

I think this team concern should be at both guard position.

[sacking123]

Yeah, the Kings get the short end on that deal.

The lack of communication between Vlade and the players is a little concerning, but even moreso the lack of communication between Joerger and the players if that's the case. I'm starting to wonder if indeed Gay going out is another Joerger thing. It would explain the wing pickups even more. But going as is without Gay as that secondary scoring talent would be a dangerous move if the season comes along and they end up being incorrect in thinking Cuz and a bunch of role players could get it done. Then again, look at what Joerger did last year, so who knows.

The lack of communication is definitely concerning at this point in time. I mean at the very least Vlade should have spoken to Rudy and told him to keep his mouth shut, talk positive about the franchise and how its turning around and he will find him a new home before the season. That is what should have been done if that's what Rudy really wants.
As far as a secondary scorer I am thinking this will be in coach Joerger's mind and he will relish it. The 2016/17 Kings are going to be as grind it out tough defensive team as there ever was one, at least that is what the goal will be. Cousins will have a career year and if the players buy in, which I believe they will who knows, this team might just make a run at a playoff spot.

[Wolfay]

Don't pick fights over freaking trade rumors. We're not going down that road again. I locked the first thread, and we'll lock this one too. This is not up for argument. If you have questions or comments, PM either or both KF10 and myself.