Kings Off-Season

[codydaze]

Bogi torn meniscus...that’s not good.

Might explain why his play tailed off in 2nd half of year.

Just a slight tear and a minor procedure, nothing serious. Players go through these kinds of things all the time.

[kingjawn100]

All hindsight now but you wonder if the Kings would have been better off re-signing Collison on a short term deal as opposed to paying big money for George Hill for 3 years. Collison to me is pretty clearly a better player at this point (and a year younger). You can say he was gonna go elsewhere regardless for a chance of scenery and that may be true but it didn't sound like we made much of an effort to keep him.

I feel like he was pretty undervalued by the orgainzation and played some really good ball in his 3 years in sac. I know he had his legal issue but i can't imagine Collison wouldn't have been a good mentor for Fox.

[kalenclayton]

All hindsight now but you wonder if the Kings would have been better off re-signing Collison on a short term deal as opposed to paying big money for George Hill for 3 years. Collison to me is pretty clearly a better player at this point (and a year younger). You can say he was gonna go elsewhere regardless for a chance of scenery and that may be true but it didn't sound like we made much of an effort to keep him.

I feel like he was pretty undervalued by the orgainzation and played some really good ball in his 3 years in sac. I know he had his legal issue but i can't imagine Collison wouldn't have been a good mentor for Fox.

I think change of scenery was inevitable, but I think Collison would have been perfect for Fox’s style of play. They both play fast. I would worry that Collison’s brain farts would rub off though. He had them too consistently for my liking.

[kingjawn100]

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All hindsight now but you wonder if the Kings would have been better off re-signing Collison on a short term deal as opposed to paying big money for George Hill for 3 years. Collison to me is pretty clearly a better player at this point (and a year younger). You can say he was gonna go elsewhere regardless for a chance of scenery and that may be true but it didn't sound like we made much of an effort to keep him.

I feel like he was pretty undervalued by the orgainzation and played some really good ball in his 3 years in sac. I know he had his legal issue but i can't imagine Collison wouldn't have been a good mentor for Fox.

I think change of scenery was inevitable, but I think Collison would have been perfect for Fox’s style of play. They both play fast. I would worry that Collison’s brain farts would rub off though. He had them too consistently for my liking.

Agreed...i just don't think Kings brass imagined he'd end up as arguably the 2nd best player on a playoff team...that came a game away from taking down Lebron.

From everything i heard as a show of good faith it was like we were doing him a service by not getting in the way of him going to a better team. I kind of hate that new kings philosophy of realizing we're a **** franchise, and doing the honorable thing by letting guys go elsewhere. The Scott Perry thing still bothers me.

[SacKingZZZ]

Yes, Collison would have probably been a better idea considering there was already some connection with the team there. Looking back at the season for what it was those signings were purely to win now. Hill said it before the season that they were thinking playoffs and the way things started out would indicate the feeling that they could compete. They honestly should have been better than they were considering the roster and roles. It's now water under the bridge and year 1B begins next year.

[realEAST]

Hi guys, Bulls fan here. What's the status of WCS, would he be available for trade, and what would be the price?

[blind prophet]

Hi guys, Bulls fan here. What's the status of WCS, would he be available for trade, and what would be the price?

He's highly available.

Got to see where we draft, 1-3 or 7-8 etc.

But he can be had no doubt.

[kingjawn100]

Nick Calathes is coming back over. He was interested in playing for Joeger again a couple years ago. A lot of people seem to think the kings will be bidders.

He doesn't really excite me very much. Solid playmaker but he's definitely not a starter at the NBA level (he's also nearly 30). And for those that see his 6'6" height, he's not a small forward at all...point guard that could also play the 2 but not a 3. Also a bad 3-point shooter and foul shooter.

And assuming temple and shumpert opt in that's 6 guards already on the roster (fox, mason, bogi, buddy).

[SacKingZZZ]

Hi guys, Bulls fan here. What's the status of WCS, would he be available for trade, and what would be the price?

He's highly available.

Got to see where we draft, 1-3 or 7-8 etc.

But he can be had no doubt.

Says who? Willie strikes me as the classic Kings pick who the Kings don't want to let go of even if it might be wise to move on.

[SacKingZZZ]

Nick Calathes is coming back over. He was interested in playing for Joeger again a couple years ago. A lot of people seem to think the kings will be bidders.

He doesn't really excite me very much. Solid playmaker but he's definitely not a starter at the NBA level (he's also nearly 30). And for those that see his 6'6" height, he's not a small forward at all...point guard that could also play the 2 but not a 3. Also a bad 3-point shooter and foul shooter.

And assuming temple and shumpert opt in that's 6 guards already on the roster (fox, mason, bogi, buddy).

It made sense when Cuz was here, not now. Joerger favors got this team in a heap of trouble last season, they need to bite the bullet and move on.

[realEAST]

Hi guys, Bulls fan here. What's the status of WCS, would he be available for trade, and what would be the price?

He's highly available.

Got to see where we draft, 1-3 or 7-8 etc.

But he can be had no doubt.

Says who? Willie strikes me as the classic Kings pick who the Kings don't want to let go of even if it might be wise to move on.

Not much love for him? He seems like a decent C with room to grow on both ends as he put up some strength, develops skill a bit (he has 3 assist per game, that came as a surprise for me). Character problems or just rebounding?

[kingjawn100]

Nick Calathes is coming back over. He was interested in playing for Joeger again a couple years ago. A lot of people seem to think the kings will be bidders.

He doesn't really excite me very much. Solid playmaker but he's definitely not a starter at the NBA level (he's also nearly 30). And for those that see his 6'6" height, he's not a small forward at all...point guard that could also play the 2 but not a 3. Also a bad 3-point shooter and foul shooter.

And assuming temple and shumpert opt in that's 6 guards already on the roster (fox, mason, bogi, buddy).

It made sense when Cuz was here, not now. Joerger favors got this team in a heap of trouble last season, they need to bite the bullet and move on.

If Joerger coached the '96 bulls or something and wanted to sign some of his greats that's one thing but this was a decent but not great grizzly team that was gritty but not even very fun to watch. I too think we've gotta cut the cord with getting 'joerger's guys'. The more of his guys he gets makes me think the he's never gonna adapt his style to his best/younger players.

[kalenclayton]

He's highly available.

Got to see where we draft, 1-3 or 7-8 etc.

But he can be had no doubt.

Says who? Willie strikes me as the classic Kings pick who the Kings don't want to let go of even if it might be wise to move on.

Not much love for him? He seems like a decent C with room to grow on both ends as he put up some strength, develops skill a bit (he has 3 assist per game, that came as a surprise for me). Character problems or just rebounding?

There are a lot of Willie apologists and haters in the community. I am more of the former, but it really depends on what the expectation is. I think Willie has all the tools to become a defensive anchor and fantastic rim-runner. He defends the post well and can switch onto smaller players. His length really challenges offensive players to change shots and it's a sight to see from time to time. The issue is that he knows he has these physical gifts and it seems he thinks he can rely on those instead of working on the little nuances of defense. The result is him playing good (not-lockdown) defense and then using his energy on offense. Another issue of his defense is that he will start to sulk a little on defense if he isn't involved on offense.

Willie really wants to be a go-to offensive guy, but he just isn't that guy. He said earlier in the year that he can play like a guard and that he can be better than Porzingis. It comes off as delusional, but I think it really means he wants to be better. I take this as a positive and a negative. The positive is that he is trying to get better and it is showing. The negative is that he is working on parts of his game that could wait. He needs to be perfecting his role skills. He is and will be "typecasted" into the rim-runner role. That is what teams (including the Kings) will want from him. The sooner he realizes that, the sooner he can change his perception with fans.

He's a good player with great physical gifts. He just has the wrong mindset.

P.S. you mentioned rebounding. The dude doesn't fight for boards. He just gets the ones that are obviously going to be his. It's really infuriating because he has shown flashes of being a plus rebounder. It comes down to effort in that skill. That's the one spot that he seems to give low effort on.

[City of Trees]

Bumped into Doug Christie at an Am/pm ... Why was this dude playing a bunch of scratcher lotto cards and scanning his Power ball lottery tickets... Boy was all lotto'd out hahaha

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[codydaze]

Bumped into Doug Christie at an Am/pm ... Why was this dude playing a bunch of scratcher lotto cards and scanning his Power ball lottery tickets... Boy was all lotto'd out hahaha

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Wow, just using up all of the organization's lotto luck. SMH Doug.

[codydaze]

Says who? Willie strikes me as the classic Kings pick who the Kings don't want to let go of even if it might be wise to move on.

Not much love for him? He seems like a decent C with room to grow on both ends as he put up some strength, develops skill a bit (he has 3 assist per game, that came as a surprise for me). Character problems or just rebounding?

There are a lot of Willie apologists and haters in the community. I am more of the former, but it really depends on what the expectation is. I think Willie has all the tools to become a defensive anchor and fantastic rim-runner. He defends the post well and can switch onto smaller players. His length really challenges offensive players to change shots and it's a sight to see from time to time. The issue is that he knows he has these physical gifts and it seems he thinks he can rely on those instead of working on the little nuances of defense. The result is him playing good (not-lockdown) defense and then using his energy on offense. Another issue of his defense is that he will start to sulk a little on defense if he isn't involved on offense.

Willie really wants to be a go-to offensive guy, but he just isn't that guy. He said earlier in the year that he can play like a guard and that he can be better than Porzingis. It comes off as delusional, but I think it really means he wants to be better. I take this as a positive and a negative. The positive is that he is trying to get better and it is showing. The negative is that he is working on parts of his game that could wait. He needs to be perfecting his role skills. He is and will be "typecasted" into the rim-runner role. That is what teams (including the Kings) will want from him. The sooner he realizes that, the sooner he can change his perception with fans.

He's a good player with great physical gifts. He just has the wrong mindset.

P.S. you mentioned rebounding. The dude doesn't fight for boards. He just gets the ones that are obviously going to be his. It's really infuriating because he has shown flashes of being a plus rebounder. It comes down to effort in that skill. That's the one spot that he seems to give low effort on.

I've said since his rookie year he's got terrible rebounding fundamentals. You hit the nail right on the head, he relies entirely on his athleticism to get boards so he rarely ever boxes out or gets position. He just wants to use his physical gifts to grab boards but that doesn't work in the NBA. I have seen zero progress on the glass from him over his career. The fact he's so delusional that he wants to be a guard instead of maximing his god given abilities to be the defensive anchor/rim runner role leads me to believe he'll want a sizable contract too. I'd trade him this summer to anyone willing to give up some draft picks, maybe even eat a bad contract if it brings back some good assets.

[kingjawn100]

Says who? Willie strikes me as the classic Kings pick who the Kings don't want to let go of even if it might be wise to move on.

Not much love for him? He seems like a decent C with room to grow on both ends as he put up some strength, develops skill a bit (he has 3 assist per game, that came as a surprise for me). Character problems or just rebounding?

There are a lot of Willie apologists and haters in the community. I am more of the former, but it really depends on what the expectation is. I think Willie has all the tools to become a defensive anchor and fantastic rim-runner. He defends the post well and can switch onto smaller players. His length really challenges offensive players to change shots and it's a sight to see from time to time. The issue is that he knows he has these physical gifts and it seems he thinks he can rely on those instead of working on the little nuances of defense. The result is him playing good (not-lockdown) defense and then using his energy on offense. Another issue of his defense is that he will start to sulk a little on defense if he isn't involved on offense.

Willie really wants to be a go-to offensive guy, but he just isn't that guy. He said earlier in the year that he can play like a guard and that he can be better than Porzingis. It comes off as delusional, but I think it really means he wants to be better. I take this as a positive and a negative. The positive is that he is trying to get better and it is showing. The negative is that he is working on parts of his game that could wait. He needs to be perfecting his role skills. He is and will be "typecasted" into the rim-runner role. That is what teams (including the Kings) will want from him. The sooner he realizes that, the sooner he can change his perception with fans.

He's a good player with great physical gifts. He just has the wrong mindset.

P.S. you mentioned rebounding. The dude doesn't fight for boards. He just gets the ones that are obviously going to be his. It's really infuriating because he has shown flashes of being a plus rebounder. It comes down to effort in that skill. That's the one spot that he seems to give low effort on.

Let's just say it like it is...Willie Cauley-Stein is a soft player. Looks like tarzan/plays like jane. From his comments about not trying to block shots because of past hand injuries to his reluctance to rebound to the lack of aggression he plays with (1 technical and 0 flagrants in 3 years) he is just not a very tough player. The weird thing with his defense...even in his first summer league he surprisingly looked like a non-factor defensively and hasn't really improved on that end. The eye test fools so many people with him. He's basically the exact opposite of someone you'd expect with his athleticism.

Now all that being said i'm pretty excited to see what he can add in terms of his offense this summer. It seems each year he adds a little more to his offensive repertoire. 'when he first came in he only had around the rim range, couldn't dunk lobs and couldn't pass. He's improved a ton in all of those areas. Kings fans might not like it but i wouldn't be shocked to see him start shooting/and making 3's.
if Willie turns into a 17 & 9 player next season (which actually wouldn't be that huge of a jump) it would put the kings in a really tricky spot as far as re-signing.

[kalenclayton]

Not much love for him? He seems like a decent C with room to grow on both ends as he put up some strength, develops skill a bit (he has 3 assist per game, that came as a surprise for me). Character problems or just rebounding?

There are a lot of Willie apologists and haters in the community. I am more of the former, but it really depends on what the expectation is. I think Willie has all the tools to become a defensive anchor and fantastic rim-runner. He defends the post well and can switch onto smaller players. His length really challenges offensive players to change shots and it's a sight to see from time to time. The issue is that he knows he has these physical gifts and it seems he thinks he can rely on those instead of working on the little nuances of defense. The result is him playing good (not-lockdown) defense and then using his energy on offense. Another issue of his defense is that he will start to sulk a little on defense if he isn't involved on offense.

Willie really wants to be a go-to offensive guy, but he just isn't that guy. He said earlier in the year that he can play like a guard and that he can be better than Porzingis. It comes off as delusional, but I think it really means he wants to be better. I take this as a positive and a negative. The positive is that he is trying to get better and it is showing. The negative is that he is working on parts of his game that could wait. He needs to be perfecting his role skills. He is and will be "typecasted" into the rim-runner role. That is what teams (including the Kings) will want from him. The sooner he realizes that, the sooner he can change his perception with fans.

He's a good player with great physical gifts. He just has the wrong mindset.

P.S. you mentioned rebounding. The dude doesn't fight for boards. He just gets the ones that are obviously going to be his. It's really infuriating because he has shown flashes of being a plus rebounder. It comes down to effort in that skill. That's the one spot that he seems to give low effort on.

I've said since his rookie year he's got terrible rebounding fundamentals. You hit the nail right on the head, he relies entirely on his athleticism to get boards so he rarely ever boxes out or gets position. He just wants to use his physical gifts to grab boards but that doesn't work in the NBA. I have seen zero progress on the glass from him over his career. The fact he's so delusional that he wants to be a guard instead of maximing his god given abilities to be the defensive anchor/rim runner role leads me to believe he'll want a sizable contract too. I'd trade him this summer to anyone willing to give up some draft picks, maybe even eat a bad contract if it brings back some good assets.

It's very upsetting that he hasn't improved in rebounding. He seems like a guy who really wants to be liked, but everyone loves the guy who gets boards. Why not be him?! I play pickup games all the time and I'm not the most talented guy offensively. One thing I do very well is hustle and get boards. This helps win games and everyone pats me on the back for it. I know this example is small and slightly irrelevant, but this role goes all the way up to the NBA. People love their hustlers and rebounders. Fans fall in love with them (Brockman, Cooley, Acy, heck even Artest). Players rely on these guys to get extra possessions and push the team to the next level. Why doesn't Willie see this? It's pretty clear that he can be an elite rim-runner/hustler/rebounder with his physical skills. He could get PAID too. it's very irritating.

[blind prophet]

Hi guys, Bulls fan here. What's the status of WCS, would he be available for trade, and what would be the price?

He's highly available.

Got to see where we draft, 1-3 or 7-8 etc.

But he can be had no doubt.

Says who? Willie strikes me as the classic Kings pick who the Kings don't want to let go of even if it might be wise to move on.

I think he's got a good chance to be gone this summer if we drafted Ayton or Bamba.

Otherwise maybe at the deadline depending on what he shows.

But I don't think they are shopping him, just open to trading him.

[kingjawn100]

Could you imagine willie playing in New York or Chicago or Boston..and saying what he said about not wanting to block shots and playing the way he does?

He would be run out of town. If willie were playing for the Knicks and the team wasn’t winning he’d be booed every night just for his lack of hustle. Im not too sure he has the demeaner to play in a bigger market given all the media attention that comes with his quirky style.