2023 Off-season Thread

[LightTheBeam]

OG may not net back a star level package, but a decent role player and 2 late picks will 100% be beat on the open market. Raps are gonna need at least 1 strong piece coming back or volume to offset that, and this gives them neither.

"A decent role player".. what do you think OG is? This is a decent role player for a slightly better decent role player?

And its not "2 late picks". You are getting a future 1st from a historically bad franchise, who after this trade would have 3/5th of our best players as impending free agents.

Maybe Toronto can get a better offer on the open market, I doubt it and think if those offers were true he woulda been traded last deadline when raptors were dead in the water. But either way this would be the max I'd be comfortable paying, maybe Monte values him more? I'd certainly hope not. Rather explore other options at that point.

Youre not wrong, i like Huerter a lot. But Huerter is a SG and OG is a big forward. As far role players go, OG is far more valuable and far less attainable.

And yes, it is 1 established late 1st and another first that youve protected so the Raps dont even have upside if the Kings underperform. If this is the max offer from Sactown, then ya, i just dont see it happening. This is why i dont see it working out. Raps are gonna want 1 strong piece to move forward with or a big volume of pieces.

And to the other part, Raps werent dead in the water. They actually ended up buying at the deadline because they dont really have an appetite for tanking. Think of that what you may

Protections on that pick I assume would be flexible. Definitely not lotto protected, but also not unprotected. I'd imagine top 4 to start.

And raptors were dead in the water by that point. But I agree they didn't want to tank. They tried the all forwards lineup and it backfired. I think it's a good guess that one of OG/Siakam is headed out this summer. Maybe that player is Siakam? And with FVV/Siakam gone, OG gets an expanded role and decides to resign? No idea tbh.

I don't think this is a tear down for Toronto btw. You could resign FVV or look to trade some of the dead salary guys like Thad/Boucher + picks to get a real pg upgrade.

Huerters floor stretching and ability to play off Sabonis (or in this case siakam) is going to shine. I'd bet this makes the raptors a better team. And now you have 13 + 24 + a future sac 1st and Masai would position himself for flexibility rather than resigning OG/Siakam/Poeltl and being stuck with a bad backcourt

[mademan]

"A decent role player".. what do you think OG is? This is a decent role player for a slightly better decent role player?

And its not "2 late picks". You are getting a future 1st from a historically bad franchise, who after this trade would have 3/5th of our best players as impending free agents.

Maybe Toronto can get a better offer on the open market, I doubt it and think if those offers were true he woulda been traded last deadline when raptors were dead in the water. But either way this would be the max I'd be comfortable paying, maybe Monte values him more? I'd certainly hope not. Rather explore other options at that point.

Youre not wrong, i like Huerter a lot. But Huerter is a SG and OG is a big forward. As far role players go, OG is far more valuable and far less attainable.

And yes, it is 1 established late 1st and another first that youve protected so the Raps dont even have upside if the Kings underperform. If this is the max offer from Sactown, then ya, i just dont see it happening. This is why i dont see it working out. Raps are gonna want 1 strong piece to move forward with or a big volume of pieces.

And to the other part, Raps werent dead in the water. They actually ended up buying at the deadline because they dont really have an appetite for tanking. Think of that what you may

Protections on that pick I assume would be flexible. Definitely not lotto protected, but also not unprotected. I'd imagine top 4 to start.

And raptors were dead in the water by that point. But I agree they didn't want to tank. They tried the all forwards lineup and it backfired. I think it's a good guess that one of OG/Siakam is headed out this summer. Maybe that player is Siakam? And with FVV/Siakam gone, OG gets an expanded role and decides to resign? No idea tbh.

I don't think this is a tear down for Toronto btw. You could resign FVV or look to trade some of the dead salary guys like Thad/Boucher + picks to get a real pg upgrade.

Huerters floor stretching and ability to play off Sabonis (or in this case siakam) is going to shine. I'd bet this makes the raptors a better team. And now you have 13 + 24 + a future sac 1st and Masai would position himself for flexibility rather than resigning OG/Siakam/Poeltl and being stuck with a bad backcourt

Like i said, i like Huerter a lot. Other Raps fans would disagree, but i'd do a deal based around Huerter and 2 picks with possible upside (unprotected 2026, lightly protected 2028)

[BoogieTime]

I don't buy OG being worth the world like they tried to sell last deadline. If he was they would have dealt him without thinking twice.

Imo swapping Huerter for OG straight makes both teams better. They will resign Siakam, and the lineup starts to actually make sense. But of course OG is worth more, just don't think it's that much more.

I'd offer up

Holmes + Huerter + 24 + protected 26 1st for OG + OPJ.

OG has the skills to make a great impact on our defense, but he fits in weird positionally. Guess in one sense it makes us versatile, but I'm not sure if the next step is to add a starting shooting or starting PF. Getting OG/Naz would be an excellent summer.

OG may not net back a star level package, but a decent role player and 2 late picks will 100% be beat on the open market. Raps are gonna need at least 1 strong piece coming back or volume to offset that, and this gives them neither.

"A decent role player".. what do you think OG is? This is a decent role player for a slightly better decent role player?

And its not "2 late picks". You are getting a future 1st from a historically bad franchise, who after this trade would have 3/5th of our best players as impending free agents.

Maybe Toronto can get a better offer on the open market, I doubt it and think if those offers were true he woulda been traded last deadline when raptors were dead in the water. But either way this would be the max I'd be comfortable paying, maybe Monte values him more? I'd certainly hope not. Rather explore other options at that point.

Uh, the Kings would possibly be competing

And yes, OG is seen as a premium, if not overrated role player, as in a young Jerami Grant. League wide interest

[BoogieTime]

Well if the raptors brain trust values OG anywhere near what their board does, he won't be a king. Consensus over there seems to be Murray + more. With that more ranging anywhere from Huerter to monk to mitchell or multiple of those guys plus picks.

Idk about other kings fans but I'm not even considering Murray for OG. Just not even in the same ball park

Yes. He was a fairly one dimensional role player (shooting open assisted threes). OG is a high end role player now (100% contingent on OG saying he will stay and removing that UFA obstacle)

[City of Trees]

OG "should" cost less to obtain than Beal and fills a bigger roster need than Beal. OG will never reach Beal money either. Seems like an easy decision if I'm making it.

[City of Trees]

Huerter + picks for OG

[BoogieTime]

OG "should" cost less to obtain than Beal and fills a bigger roster need than Beal. OG will never reach Beal money either. Seems like an easy decision if I'm making it.

If it’s east of acquisition, I actually think Beal could go for less.

He has a no trade clause and has only indicated certain teams. Washington also NEEDS to rebuild. His age/contract/injury history.

Personally I think it would be easier to do the Huerter/Davion/Holmes/weak assets (24 and protected first (s) for him.

But OG certainly fits better imo

[OxAndFox]

If OG signed an extension and it wasn't a severe overpay you go all in on him in regards to picks. Unless you are convinced you can get a #1 star at some point.
Huerter/Holmes/#24/2026 1st/2028 1st/2030 1st. Picks top 4 protected. For OG/OPJ.

Sabonis is going to sign an extension, you have Fox locked up and Keegan is under control for a long time too.
Move forward with Fox/OG/Murray/Sabonis as the core. Sign long term deals for Lyles & Sasha and then for Kessler too and put some faith in Keon Ellis and give him a contract as well as a 3rd string SG. They won't cost much and now is the time to lock in as much talent as possible if you are getting a 1st round pick every second year.
The only position that needs to be addressed is the starting SG spot. Would ideally like to keep Monk off the bench and sign him to an extension too. That means getting a cheap starter that can defend. Not easy at all, but it's doable.
Not sure if the Kings could afford Bruce Brown. Probably won't. But getting DDV/Strus/Josh Richardson or even Thybulle/Okogie/NAW level defender that won't quite play starter minutes but would start.

[OxAndFox]

I should have added, if OG is coming without an extension, then it obviously dramatically reduces the offer.
Two picks and Huerter is a very good deal for the Raptors.
It was said they were after 3 firsts at the deadline last season. We just traded a 1st for Huerter and he has increased his value and then you give another two firsts.

[City of Trees]

If I heard Ham correctly earlier today it sounds like OG can sign an extension immediately after being traded. I'd definitely work out a deal beforehand. 4/$120m. This team is going to become real expensive real quick. Uncle V better be prepared

[LightTheBeam]

If OG signed an extension and it wasn't a severe overpay you go all in on him in regards to picks. Unless you are convinced you can get a #1 star at some point.
Huerter/Holmes/#24/2026 1st/2028 1st/2030 1st. Picks top 4 protected. For OG/OPJ.

Sabonis is going to sign an extension, you have Fox locked up and Keegan is under control for a long time too.
Move forward with Fox/OG/Murray/Sabonis as the core. Sign long term deals for Lyles & Sasha and then for Kessler too and put some faith in Keon Ellis and give him a contract as well as a 3rd string SG. They won't cost much and now is the time to lock in as much talent as possible if you are getting a 1st round pick every second year.
The only position that needs to be addressed is the starting SG spot. Would ideally like to keep Monk off the bench and sign him to an extension too. That means getting a cheap starter that can defend. Not easy at all, but it's doable.
Not sure if the Kings could afford Bruce Brown. Probably won't. But getting DDV/Strus/Josh Richardson or even Thybulle/Okogie/NAW level defender that won't quite play starter minutes but would start.

I don't think there's an circumstances where a team like Sac should give 4 1sts for OG.

I love the guys fit in Sacramento. Elite defender, good size and length, can play at least 3 positions, and shot 39% from deep last season. He is in a sense the absolute elite of the 3&D players. But end of the day, he's a role player. He doesn't create for himself or others. He isn't the final piece to a Sacramento dynasty. He's a fantastic fit and a really really good player, but you don't mortgage the rest of the decade for that kind of piece. That's the kind of trade you make for a superstar.

If we can ultimately agree to a deal for OG like the one you stated (Huerter/Holmes picks for OG/OPJ) we should have a pretty significant amount of cap space. Lyles has a super cheap cap hold. We would be able to throw huge money at a Hart, Brown, Reid in free agency.

Pipe dream for second, but OG/Hart would be the absolute best off-season we could ask for. Two guys who bring all the things we lack. Hart is resigning in NY, and OG asking is probably too much, but a man can dream.

[OxAndFox]

If OG signed an extension and it wasn't a severe overpay you go all in on him in regards to picks. Unless you are convinced you can get a #1 star at some point.
Huerter/Holmes/#24/2026 1st/2028 1st/2030 1st. Picks top 4 protected. For OG/OPJ.

Sabonis is going to sign an extension, you have Fox locked up and Keegan is under control for a long time too.
Move forward with Fox/OG/Murray/Sabonis as the core. Sign long term deals for Lyles & Sasha and then for Kessler too and put some faith in Keon Ellis and give him a contract as well as a 3rd string SG. They won't cost much and now is the time to lock in as much talent as possible if you are getting a 1st round pick every second year.
The only position that needs to be addressed is the starting SG spot. Would ideally like to keep Monk off the bench and sign him to an extension too. That means getting a cheap starter that can defend. Not easy at all, but it's doable.
Not sure if the Kings could afford Bruce Brown. Probably won't. But getting DDV/Strus/Josh Richardson or even Thybulle/Okogie/NAW level defender that won't quite play starter minutes but would start.

I don't think there's an circumstances where a team like Sac should give 4 1sts for OG.

I love the guys fit in Sacramento. Elite defender, good size and length, can play at least 3 positions, and shot 39% from deep last season. He is in a sense the absolute elite of the 3&D players. But end of the day, he's a role player. He doesn't create for himself or others. He isn't the final piece to a Sacramento dynasty. He's a fantastic fit and a really really good player, but you don't mortgage the rest of the decade for that kind of piece. That's the kind of trade you make for a superstar.

If we can ultimately agree to a deal for OG like the one you stated (Huerter/Holmes picks for OG/OPJ) we should have a pretty significant amount of cap space. Lyles has a super cheap cap hold. We would be able to throw huge money at a Hart, Brown, Reid in free agency.

Pipe dream for second, but OG/Hart would be the absolute best off-season we could ask for. Two guys who bring all the things we lack. Hart is resigning in NY, and OG asking is probably too much, but a man can dream.

I do agree that OG isn't the final piece, and he is a very good role player and not a superstar.
IMO the piece is a player that can take the offensive load early in games when Fox is feeling out the tempo of the game, which is what's required more than what OG provides (gulp, like Beal). I think potentially Murray can develop into that guy. Hopefully as soon as next season.
Having said that, OG, while still being a good role player, is the perfect fit for this roster in the most difficult position to get talent. He would lift the defense significantly and if Davion is staying and Fox takes another leap (on the defensive side of the ball) then this squad all of a sudden has defensive potential without losing too much of that offensive system. Yes, the rim protection still isn't there, but at times on the floor with Davion/Fox/OG/Keegan that is above average defensively.
I also think if Kessler is still on the roster come opening night that we will see much more of him and not just situationally either.

[City of Trees]

OG makes sense but not if Murray is involved

[BoogieTime]

If OG signed an extension and it wasn't a severe overpay you go all in on him in regards to picks. Unless you are convinced you can get a #1 star at some point.
Huerter/Holmes/#24/2026 1st/2028 1st/2030 1st. Picks top 4 protected. For OG/OPJ.

Sabonis is going to sign an extension, you have Fox locked up and Keegan is under control for a long time too.
Move forward with Fox/OG/Murray/Sabonis as the core. Sign long term deals for Lyles & Sasha and then for Kessler too and put some faith in Keon Ellis and give him a contract as well as a 3rd string SG. They won't cost much and now is the time to lock in as much talent as possible if you are getting a 1st round pick every second year.
The only position that needs to be addressed is the starting SG spot. Would ideally like to keep Monk off the bench and sign him to an extension too. That means getting a cheap starter that can defend. Not easy at all, but it's doable.
Not sure if the Kings could afford Bruce Brown. Probably won't. But getting DDV/Strus/Josh Richardson or even Thybulle/Okogie/NAW level defender that won't quite play starter minutes but would start.

According to what?

He’s a max player (6th in mvp voting on nba.com), and I think what he can sign for as a UFA next summer may be too great to sacrifice making a commitment now.

Maybe the thinking is the aggressiveness this summer will help ensure he signs his future here next summer in part (though I know he likes it here)

[OxAndFox]

If OG signed an extension and it wasn't a severe overpay you go all in on him in regards to picks. Unless you are convinced you can get a #1 star at some point.
Huerter/Holmes/#24/2026 1st/2028 1st/2030 1st. Picks top 4 protected. For OG/OPJ.

Sabonis is going to sign an extension, you have Fox locked up and Keegan is under control for a long time too.
Move forward with Fox/OG/Murray/Sabonis as the core. Sign long term deals for Lyles & Sasha and then for Kessler too and put some faith in Keon Ellis and give him a contract as well as a 3rd string SG. They won't cost much and now is the time to lock in as much talent as possible if you are getting a 1st round pick every second year.
The only position that needs to be addressed is the starting SG spot. Would ideally like to keep Monk off the bench and sign him to an extension too. That means getting a cheap starter that can defend. Not easy at all, but it's doable.
Not sure if the Kings could afford Bruce Brown. Probably won't. But getting DDV/Strus/Josh Richardson or even Thybulle/Okogie/NAW level defender that won't quite play starter minutes but would start.

According to what?

He’s a max player (6th in mvp voting on nba.com), and I think what he can sign for as a UFA next summer may be too great to sacrifice making a commitment now.

Maybe the thinking is the aggressiveness this summer will help ensure he signs his future here next summer in part (though I know he likes it here)

I'm not talking about this summer.
Next off season Sabonis isn't going anywhere. The chances of him signing elsewhere would be less than 1%.
And the only way he does is if Sacramento put forward a disrespectful offer, which I can't see Monte doing when he traded Hali for him.

[BoogieTime]

If OG signed an extension and it wasn't a severe overpay you go all in on him in regards to picks. Unless you are convinced you can get a #1 star at some point.
Huerter/Holmes/#24/2026 1st/2028 1st/2030 1st. Picks top 4 protected. For OG/OPJ.

Sabonis is going to sign an extension, you have Fox locked up and Keegan is under control for a long time too.
Move forward with Fox/OG/Murray/Sabonis as the core. Sign long term deals for Lyles & Sasha and then for Kessler too and put some faith in Keon Ellis and give him a contract as well as a 3rd string SG. They won't cost much and now is the time to lock in as much talent as possible if you are getting a 1st round pick every second year.
The only position that needs to be addressed is the starting SG spot. Would ideally like to keep Monk off the bench and sign him to an extension too. That means getting a cheap starter that can defend. Not easy at all, but it's doable.
Not sure if the Kings could afford Bruce Brown. Probably won't. But getting DDV/Strus/Josh Richardson or even Thybulle/Okogie/NAW level defender that won't quite play starter minutes but would start.

According to what?

He’s a max player (6th in mvp voting on nba.com), and I think what he can sign for as a UFA next summer may be too great to sacrifice making a commitment now.

Maybe the thinking is the aggressiveness this summer will help ensure he signs his future here next summer in part (though I know he likes it here)

I'm not talking about this summer.
Next off season Sabonis isn't going anywhere. The chances of him signing elsewhere would be less than 1%.
And the only way he does is if Sacramento put forward a disrespectful offer, which I can't see Monte doing when he traded Hali for him.

According to what?

I think at this juncture he’s in a good situation for himself and his family. His wife wanted to be in Cali, Sacramento is a highly livable city comparatively and the team is built around him.

Monte can’t sit back and think he’s a sure thing, and it would be devastating if he left. In a lot of circumstances could potentially torpedo the coming season.

I think it is smart GM work to get out in front and let him know they will try everything in their power to put a good team around him, and on the floor. That could play a part in the aggressiveness so other contenders aren’t looking anything appealing next year

[OxAndFox]

According to what?

He’s a max player (6th in mvp voting on nba.com), and I think what he can sign for as a UFA next summer may be too great to sacrifice making a commitment now.

Maybe the thinking is the aggressiveness this summer will help ensure he signs his future here next summer in part (though I know he likes it here)

I'm not talking about this summer.
Next off season Sabonis isn't going anywhere. The chances of him signing elsewhere would be less than 1%.
And the only way he does is if Sacramento put forward a disrespectful offer, which I can't see Monte doing when he traded Hali for him.

According to what?

I think at this juncture he’s in a good situation for himself and his family. His wife wanted to be in Cali, Sacramento is a highly livable city comparatively and the team is built around him.

Monte can’t sit back and think he’s a sure thing, and it would be devastating if he left. In a lot of circumstances could potentially torpedo the coming season.

I think it is smart GM work to get out in front and let him know they will try everything in their power to put a good team around him, and on the floor. That could play a part in the aggressiveness so other contenders aren’t looking anything appealing next year

According to logic. You say it yourself, he has set his family up here, has a PO team that is built around his strengths, and has good character teammates. What else is he going to want?
At this point, I don't think he even entertains offers from elsewhere. Unless as I said, the Kings forward him a disrespectful offer, which they won't.
When he got here he said that he was looking for his basketball home. Could it have gone any better than it has in Sacramento? He has literally found what he was looking for, he isn't leaving.

[BoogieTime]

I'm not talking about this summer.
Next off season Sabonis isn't going anywhere. The chances of him signing elsewhere would be less than 1%.
And the only way he does is if Sacramento put forward a disrespectful offer, which I can't see Monte doing when he traded Hali for him.

According to what?

I think at this juncture he’s in a good situation for himself and his family. His wife wanted to be in Cali, Sacramento is a highly livable city comparatively and the team is built around him.

Monte can’t sit back and think he’s a sure thing, and it would be devastating if he left. In a lot of circumstances could potentially torpedo the coming season.

I think it is smart GM work to get out in front and let him know they will try everything in their power to put a good team around him, and on the floor. That could play a part in the aggressiveness so other contenders aren’t looking anything appealing next year

According to logic. You say it yourself, he has set his family up here, has a PO team that is built around his strengths, and has good character teammates. What else is he going to want?
At this point, I don't think he even entertains offers from elsewhere. Unless as I said, the Kings forward him a disrespectful offer, which they won't.
When he got here he said that he was looking for his basketball home. Could it have gone any better than it has in Sacramento? He has literally found what he was looking for, he isn't leaving.

You as a fan can think that

Monte has a job to do which entails preparing for the worst

[OxAndFox]

According to what?

I think at this juncture he’s in a good situation for himself and his family. His wife wanted to be in Cali, Sacramento is a highly livable city comparatively and the team is built around him.

Monte can’t sit back and think he’s a sure thing, and it would be devastating if he left. In a lot of circumstances could potentially torpedo the coming season.

I think it is smart GM work to get out in front and let him know they will try everything in their power to put a good team around him, and on the floor. That could play a part in the aggressiveness so other contenders aren’t looking anything appealing next year

According to logic. You say it yourself, he has set his family up here, has a PO team that is built around his strengths, and has good character teammates. What else is he going to want?
At this point, I don't think he even entertains offers from elsewhere. Unless as I said, the Kings forward him a disrespectful offer, which they won't.
When he got here he said that he was looking for his basketball home. Could it have gone any better than it has in Sacramento? He has literally found what he was looking for, he isn't leaving.

You as a fan can think that

Monte has a job to do which entails preparing for the worst

We will see, won't we?

[BoogieTime]

According to logic. You say it yourself, he has set his family up here, has a PO team that is built around his strengths, and has good character teammates. What else is he going to want?
At this point, I don't think he even entertains offers from elsewhere. Unless as I said, the Kings forward him a disrespectful offer, which they won't.
When he got here he said that he was looking for his basketball home. Could it have gone any better than it has in Sacramento? He has literally found what he was looking for, he isn't leaving.

You as a fan can think that

Monte has a job to do which entails preparing for the worst

We will see, won't we?

What are we going to see? Aggressiveness? Yeah, I was surprised that we were in talks for Beal, and needing a local reporter to let the world know we are hot on OG.