Trade Idea Thread 15-16

[SactoKingsFan]

The most recent articles were pretty ridiculous. You'd have to be delusional to think moving Karl to the front office is a good idea or that taking a low ball offer for Cousins would be addition by subtraction.

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[sportscrazy]

Is this even in the ball-park of logical for Sacramento if the Suns won the draft lottery (NOT A SUNS FAN)...

Chicago Bulls get:
Brandon Knight
Tyson Chandler
Rudy Gay

New York Knicks get:
Derrick Rose (expiring contract that can keep fans in seats for a year similar to the Tracy McGrady deal in 2009-10 season)
Mike Dunleavy
T.J. Warren
13th Overall Draft Pick (Washington via Phoenix)
28th Overall Draft Pick (Cleveland via Phoenix)

Phoenix Suns get:
DeMarcus Cousins
Carmelo Anthony

Sacramento Kings get:
Nikola Mirotic
Alex Len
Doug McDermott
1st Overall Draft Pick (via Phoenix)
Earlier of Miami Heat/Phoenix Suns 2018 First Round Draft Pick
2021 Miami Heat First Round Draft Pick

Rudy Gay and DeMarcus Cousins for Mirotic, Len, McDermott, Ben Simmons, 2018 and 2021 first round draft picks.

[Kings2013]

Is this even in the ball-park of logical for Sacramento if the Suns won the draft lottery (NOT A SUNS FAN)...

Chicago Bulls get:
Brandon Knight
Tyson Chandler
Rudy Gay

New York Knicks get:
Derrick Rose (expiring contract that can keep fans in seats for a year similar to the Tracy McGrady deal in 2009-10 season)
Mike Dunleavy
T.J. Warren
13th Overall Draft Pick (Washington via Phoenix)
28th Overall Draft Pick (Cleveland via Phoenix)

Phoenix Suns get:
DeMarcus Cousins
Carmelo Anthony

Sacramento Kings get:
Nikola Mirotic
Alex Len
Doug McDermott
1st Overall Draft Pick (via Phoenix)
Earlier of Miami Heat/Phoenix Suns 2018 First Round Draft Pick
2021 Miami Heat First Round Draft Pick

Rudy Gay and DeMarcus Cousins for Mirotic, Len, McDermott, Ben Simmons, 2018 and 2021 first round draft picks.

That seems like a lot of value coming back. I'm for keeping Cuz but if this amount of value was offered even I would ponder it

[Jkam31]

Just keep the bulls out and make it

Kings: Booker/Top 3pick/Len
Suns: DMC/Gay

Suns become a good team with
Bledsoe/Knight/Warren/Gay/DMC

We get to build around Booker/ WCS/ top 3 pick.


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[Silver Man]

For this draft to trade Cousins the pick to get back would have to be number one or number two.

[realEAST]

What would you say about WCS for Portis, 2017 SAC pick back? Portis is a year younger than WCS and is way better fit along Cousins, while Bulls need defensive anchor. Portis is already good defender, especially at perimeter, and is way more talented on off, with ability to knock down threes already, he and DMC would be hard to stop given a season, and fitting players around them (draft Hield, try to sign Bazemore, extend Rondo if he is willing not to play for his stats only)

[SactoKingsFan]

What would you say about WCS for Portis, 2017 SAC pick back? Portis is a year younger than WCS and is way better fit along Cousins, while Bulls need defensive anchor. Portis is already good defender, especially at perimeter, and is way more talented on off, with ability to knock down threes already, he and DMC would be hard to stop given a season, and fitting players around them (draft Hield, try to sign Bazemore, extend Rondo if he is willing not to play for his stats only)

Kings don't even consider that trade. WCS has a higher ceiling, shows signs of being future defensive anchor and is better on offense than Portis.

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[Sacramento_King]

For this draft to trade Cousins the pick to get back would have to be number one or number two.

I don't think we entertain trading DMC for picks. Simmons and Ingram are to flawed and I can't see them being dominant top players in NBA. I we were moving him should have went after Lakers package. The Celtics package is all about draft picks as well so not sure I see us doing that either. Hopefully we can move Gay for some mid picks and a young role player and we get some ping pong luck this year to move up in top three


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[Sacramento_King]

What would you say about WCS for Portis, 2017 SAC pick back? Portis is a year younger than WCS and is way better fit along Cousins, while Bulls need defensive anchor. Portis is already good defender, especially at perimeter, and is way more talented on off, with ability to knock down threes already, he and DMC would be hard to stop given a season, and fitting players around them (draft Hield, try to sign Bazemore, extend Rondo if he is willing not to play for his stats only)

Kings don't even consider that trade. WCS has a higher ceiling, shows signs of being future defensive anchor and is better on offense than Portis.

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Agreed we aren't moving Willie. May be the only untouchable on team


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[Jkam31]

For this draft to trade Cousins the pick to get back would have to be number one or number two.

I don't think we entertain trading DMC for picks. Simmons and Ingram are to flawed and I can't see them being dominant top players in NBA. I we were moving him should have went after Lakers package. The Celtics package is all about draft picks as well so not sure I see us doing that either. Hopefully we can move Gay for some mid picks and a young role player and we get some ping pong luck this year to move up in top three


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Ya it's comical how LA fans think we wouldn't get Russell and the pick



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[realEAST]

What would you say about WCS for Portis, 2017 SAC pick back? Portis is a year younger than WCS and is way better fit along Cousins, while Bulls need defensive anchor. Portis is already good defender, especially at perimeter, and is way more talented on off, with ability to knock down threes already, he and DMC would be hard to stop given a season, and fitting players around them (draft Hield, try to sign Bazemore, extend Rondo if he is willing not to play for his stats only)

Kings don't even consider that trade. WCS has a higher ceiling, shows signs of being future defensive anchor and is better on offense than Portis.

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Agreed we aren't moving Willie. May be the only untouchable on team


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It just doesn't seem like a good perspective keeping DMC and WCS together in long term given they are far fron ideal fit, and would use WCS to try and improve squad significantly this offseason, finding player that fit better, and could possibly bring draft pick in the mix. I think Portis check both boxes and just look at his stats (advanced, regular) and his game, I think he'd be nice addition, and improvement given time.

[Sacramento_King]

It just doesn't seem like a good perspective keeping DMC and WCS together in long term given they are far fron ideal fit, and would use WCS to try and improve squad significantly this offseason, finding player that fit better, and could possibly bring draft pick in the mix. I think Portis check both boxes and just look at his stats (advanced, regular) and his game, I think he'd be nice addition, and improvement given time.

How does Portis fit better? WCS as you stated is a potential defensive anchor. Kings fans have always wanted a high energy shot blocking big next to DMC. Willie starting to show signs as he gets more time to be a key piece. We need a stretch big to add to those two in my opinion.


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[SactoKingsFan]

Kings don't even consider that trade. WCS has a higher ceiling, shows signs of being future defensive anchor and is better on offense than Portis.

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Agreed we aren't moving Willie. May be the only untouchable on team


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It just doesn't seem like a good perspective keeping DMC and WCS together in long term given they are far fron ideal fit, and would use WCS to try and improve squad significantly this offseason, finding player that fit better, and could possibly bring draft pick in the mix. I think Portis check both boxes and just look at his stats (advanced, regular) and his game, I think he'd be nice addition, and improvement given time.

The DMC-WCS fit actually isn't bad since WCS plays defense and doesn't need the ball to contribute on offense. The Kings top 5 man lineup includes DMC and WCS and is +26.2 per 100. However, that 5 man rotation has only played the 10th most minutes. That's a issue with Karl's rotations, not how WCS fits with DMC. Keeping WCS and seeing what he can do under a new coach that makes defense a priority and doesn't try to force a counterproductive offensive system makes more sense than trading him for a clearly inferior player with a lower ceiling.

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[realEAST]

It just doesn't seem like a good perspective keeping DMC and WCS together in long term given they are far fron ideal fit, and would use WCS to try and improve squad significantly this offseason, finding player that fit better, and could possibly bring draft pick in the mix. I think Portis check both boxes and just look at his stats (advanced, regular) and his game, I think he'd be nice addition, and improvement given time.

How does Portis fit better? WCS as you stated is a potential defensive anchor. Kings fans have always wanted a high energy shot blocking big next to DMC. Willie starting to show signs as he gets more time to be a key piece. We need a stretch big to add to those two in my opinion.


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I taught King were looking for a decent PG.
IMO Cousins offers enough paint defense, what Kings need is big who can guard perimter (WCS does it too, ust to be clear), and even Cousins has been seying that that's where WCS helps the most. But instead of limited off player, what Stein is, no matter last two games, and even in them, he is scoring only from dunks, Kings could have someone more versatile. Somebody said that good thing about his off game is he doesn't need ball, but he also doen not spread floor without it, and I'd rather have someone who can knockdown spot up threes and spread the floor, opening the paint for Cousins, where he is the most efficient.
Also, I believe that WCS-DMC combo is most productive for Kings, since they are best available option, but you said it yourself, it is in very limited time, and their efficiency varies depending on other players, and some lineups containing those two are much less efficient. Jus from eye test, I remember lot of times, when they looked so bad on offense.
Also, wouldn't say Portis has lower ceiling since he is year and a half younger than WCS, and it is obvious he has a lot of room to polish his game, and has shown enough ability to do so, especially since he is extremly hard working guy; Tres Lyles is considered to have a promising first season, and Utah is looking how to find more time and space for him, and yet Portis is having better numbers on both ends of the floor.
Point is not to say that WCS is bad, quite the opposite, but can be used to improve Kings significantly, in short term; other option would be to trade DMC and make WCS a starting center. Because I don't see Kings making that big of the improvement next season if all stays like this, and that could quite possibly lead to Cousins leaving, and that kind of talent is not easy to come across.

[Silver Man]

For this draft to trade Cousins the pick to get back would have to be number one or number two.

I don't think we entertain trading DMC for picks. Simmons and Ingram are to flawed and I can't see them being dominant top players in NBA. I we were moving him should have went after Lakers package. The Celtics package is all about draft picks as well so not sure I see us doing that either. Hopefully we can move Gay for some mid picks and a young role player and we get some ping pong luck this year to move up in top three


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You're missing what I was saying. I was saying if we were to get a pick it'd have to be a top two pick.

[Sacramento_King]

For this draft to trade Cousins the pick to get back would have to be number one or number two.

I don't think we entertain trading DMC for picks. Simmons and Ingram are to flawed and I can't see them being dominant top players in NBA. I we were moving him should have went after Lakers package. The Celtics package is all about draft picks as well so not sure I see us doing that either. Hopefully we can move Gay for some mid picks and a young role player and we get some ping pong luck this year to move up in top three


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You're missing what I was saying. I was saying if we were to get a pick it'd have to be a top two pick.

I know what you are saying. I just dont think this draft has a Towns, Russ or Oak to really push the needle to move DMC. I think Simmons and Ingram would all be picked after those three and Porzingis so I dont think you move a top ten player like DMC for that type of return. I feel you determine where your flaws are; bad coaching, mis-matched personnel to play style and make changes especially if the best player coming back by moving DMC is Ingram or Simmons.

[Sacramento_King]

I taught King were looking for a decent PG.
IMO Cousins offers enough paint defense, what Kings need is big who can guard perimter (WCS does it too, ust to be clear), and even Cousins has been seying that that's where WCS helps the most. But instead of limited off player, what Stein is, no matter last two games, and even in them, he is scoring only from dunks, Kings could have someone more versatile. Somebody said that good thing about his off game is he doesn't need ball, but he also doen not spread floor without it, and I'd rather have someone who can knockdown spot up threes and spread the floor, opening the paint for Cousins, where he is the most efficient.
Also, I believe that WCS-DMC combo is most productive for Kings, since they are best available option, but you said it yourself, it is in very limited time, and their efficiency varies depending on other players, and some lineups containing those two are much less efficient. Jus from eye test, I remember lot of times, when they looked so bad on offense.
Also, wouldn't say Portis has lower ceiling since he is year and a half younger than WCS, and it is obvious he has a lot of room to polish his game, and has shown enough ability to do so, especially since he is extremly hard working guy; Tres Lyles is considered to have a promising first season, and Utah is looking how to find more time and space for him, and yet Portis is having better numbers on both ends of the floor.
Point is not to say that WCS is bad, quite the opposite, but can be used to improve Kings significantly, in short term; other option would be to trade DMC and make WCS a starting center. Because I don't see Kings making that big of the improvement next season if all stays like this, and that could quite possibly lead to Cousins leaving, and that kind of talent is not easy to come across.

Kings definitely need guards which is why moving WCS for a forward makes even less sense.

I just feel minus Karl, WCS will be a very good player on the Kings teams in the future and this is with or without DMC. Willie has actually looked pretty good offensively. Knocked down some jumpers. Caught the ball while cutting to the paint and knocking down eight-ten footers. Me personally, I would rather keep WCS, and see what solid coaching can do.

What we really need are some coaches who can develop players!!

[realEAST]

Player development has been terrible, that I can agree.
The way I see it, Kings want to upgrade squad and be competitive sooner rather than later, and yet are dominantly stacked at one, center, position, where they have their two best players and talents. And at the same time have holes at every other position, except maybe Rudy, but he is not suited to be second option and team starting him, Cousins and Stein has problems with spacing.
Rather "invest" WCS as to improve at least one other position, than duplicate one position and underscore others. (remember, kings still have Kosta as backup C, a decent one too, but a return on him wouldn't be close to that on Stein)
Moving him for forward is due to that position being least stacked where kings pick would land (Ellenson wouldn't be good fit too), and due to lack of that type of players in FA.

Speaking frankly, I think it is time to move Boogie, as much as I love him, and than with proper coaching and drafting build great generation in time. But then there is Vivek.

[realEAST]

One more WCS idea, trading with Wizards: Otto Porter for Cauley Stein

Kings get two way forward for future; draft Hield; sign T. Johnson and M. Williams and there it is

[OhioKingsFan]

If we're trading WCS I think he has more trade value if he is bundled with another trade asset, like the 2016 pick, to get a higher caliber player in return. I suppose I just don't view Otto Porter as a difference maker.