Kings Off-Season

[sacking123]

If Sac trades Bogdan or Buddy, Its going to be really tough to continue watching.

The coolest thing about our team right now is this growing friendship between Buddy/Bogdan and then Giles/Fox/Bagley. Thats the core, IDGAF if Bogdan is 1 inch shorter than he should be. Play your best guys until you have a better option. This is another reason Joerger is driving me **** bonkers. Such an old school mentality as if every single person must fit in some box.

Do you really think Stevens would bench his best players? This wouldn't even be a question, we would be acting as if Bogdan was a true 3 by now because Stevens would figure a way to make it work.

100% true and correct.


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM mobile app

[becorz]

If I made this point elsewhere in this thread, I am sorry, but this really is the last time that the Kings are going to be able to spend this money, right? Next year, there are going to be a bunch of teams with cap space, which gives us fewer free agents to target. So, I absolutely think the Kings should spend the money now while they have it.

So, that means either a) taking on money to acquire an asset or b) spending this money in FA now.

To me, whatever we get in a deal for taking money, I don't think it is going to be that great. Maybe, if we are lucky, we get a first from the Nuggets at the end of the lottery? Next year's draft isn't going to be that great anyway. Otherwise, we are looking at picks in the 20s, right?

So why not spend the money in the restricted free agency pool. With the market being what it is, I think we can totally get one of the RFAs to agree to a three year deal. And I think players like Parker and LaVine simply have more potential than a mid first round pick next year is going to have. The only real big issue is the salary of the RFA vs the draft pick. But look at our cap sheet.

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/sacramento_kings/

Next year we have virtually no money, with WCS the only player that we have to pay. I don't think he will get paid, but even if we pay him $15 million a year, we can easily fit him under the cap. The next year, you have Buddy and Bogdan up. Yeah, we will probably pay them. But even with Buddy/Bogdan/RFA/possibly Willy, you aren't going to be over tax. The third year, you have to pay Fox and Giles. Then we are getting into tax territory. But we are also three years down the road. You KNOW if this team is going to compete or if you have to do a "rebuild". Three years down the line is when you have to decide what to do, if you are keeping this core together or trying again.

I am trying to say I would make a three year offer to LaVine. He and Parker (who is duplicative with Bagley/Giles/Skal) are the star potential players left (I am not a Capella fan if he were to make the max and I think the Rockets match anything). I don't think we are going to get any better player in a salary dump, so take your swing now. I don't think it affects us long term, even if he is a flop. But he is the biggest swing we have left to take. And if we can get him for three years, I think that is perfect.

Offer LaVine 3 years, $60 million. I don't think the Bulls match that.

[OscarH]

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/sacramento_kings/

Next year we have virtually no money, with WCS the only player that we have to pay. I don't think he will get paid, but even if we pay him $15 million a year, we can easily fit him under the cap. The next year, you have Buddy and Bogdan up. Yeah, we will probably pay them. But even with Buddy/Bogdan/RFA/possibly Willy, you aren't going to be over tax. The third year, you have to pay Fox and Giles. Then we are getting into tax territory. But we are also three years down the road. You KNOW if this team is going to compete or if you have to do a "rebuild". Three years down the line is when you have to decide what to do, if you are keeping this core together or trying again.

I think you may be misreading the salaries. 19/20 salaries so next FA will currently only have around $35 mil on books not including WCS cap hold. Roster is entirely rookies contracts so will have loads of cap room. (so will rest of the league)

[BoogieTime]

If I made this point elsewhere in this thread, I am sorry, but this really is the last time that the Kings are going to be able to spend this money, right? Next year, there are going to be a bunch of teams with cap space, which gives us fewer free agents to target. So, I absolutely think the Kings should spend the money now while they have it.

So, that means either a) taking on money to acquire an asset or b) spending this money in FA now.

To me, whatever we get in a deal for taking money, I don't think it is going to be that great. Maybe, if we are lucky, we get a first from the Nuggets at the end of the lottery? Next year's draft isn't going to be that great anyway. Otherwise, we are looking at picks in the 20s, right?

So why not spend the money in the restricted free agency pool. With the market being what it is, I think we can totally get one of the RFAs to agree to a three year deal. And I think players like Parker and LaVine simply have more potential than a mid first round pick next year is going to have. The only real big issue is the salary of the RFA vs the draft pick. But look at our cap sheet.

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/sacramento_kings/

Next year we have virtually no money, with WCS the only player that we have to pay. I don't think he will get paid, but even if we pay him $15 million a year, we can easily fit him under the cap. The next year, you have Buddy and Bogdan up. Yeah, we will probably pay them. But even with Buddy/Bogdan/RFA/possibly Willy, you aren't going to be over tax. The third year, you have to pay Fox and Giles. Then we are getting into tax territory. But we are also three years down the road. You KNOW if this team is going to compete or if you have to do a "rebuild". Three years down the line is when you have to decide what to do, if you are keeping this core together or trying again.

I am trying to say I would make a three year offer to LaVine. He and Parker (who is duplicative with Bagley/Giles/Skal) are the star potential players left (I am not a Capella fan if he were to make the max and I think the Rockets match anything). I don't think we are going to get any better player in a salary dump, so take your swing now. I don't think it affects us long term, even if he is a flop. But he is the biggest swing we have left to take. And if we can get him for three years, I think that is perfect.

Offer LaVine 3 years, $60 million. I don't think the Bulls match that.

Capela/Nurkic are the best players remaining. LaVine/Parker are injury risk players who were bad last year. LaVine terribly duplicative to two better SGs in Buddy/Bogdan

Though I agree with the thought that the time to strike is now and why, holeheartedly disagree with the targets

[becorz]

Capela/Nurkic are the best players remaining. LaVine/Parker are injury risk players who were bad last year. LaVine terribly duplicative to two better SGs in Buddy/Bogdan

Though I agree with the thought that the time to strike is now and why, holeheartedly disagree with the targets

I am not a fan of Capela at the insane contract we would have to give him, but I can see where you are coming from.

If the Kings spent their money on Smart/Nurkic rather than just LaVine, I think that is certainly better than trading for the mid round first. But I think LaVine has star potential that Smart/Nurkic simply don't have.

[LightTheBeam]

I'm on the Marcus Smart train if we go free agency.

1. We can get him for a good deal.
2. With Fox/Bagley/Bogdan/Hield all being offensive 1st, we could really use a nice playmaking/defensive guy.
3. He is a proven winner. He comes up with big time plays in big time situations. I think he would do wonders for our young guys and be someone Buddy can look to grow with on the defensive end.
4. I think hes the most versatile of the bunch. He can guard 1-3, much better than Lavine could dream of.

All that said it sounds like we are shifting towards grabbing a bad contract for a pick/prospect which probably made more sense last year. But it seems better than all the other options.

1 name i'm interested to see about is Moe Harkless. He just turned 25 and has shown the ability to hit the 3 and play above average defense. Portland is over the cap so we could potentially grab him and some incentive?

[kalenclayton]

I'm on the Marcus Smart train if we go free agency.

1. We can get him for a good deal.
2. With Fox/Bagley/Bogdan/Hield all being offensive 1st, we could really use a nice playmaking/defensive guy.
3. He is a proven winner. He comes up with big time plays in big time situations. I think he would do wonders for our young guys and be someone Buddy can look to grow with on the defensive end.
4. I think hes the most versatile of the bunch. He can guard 1-3, much better than Lavine could dream of.

All that said it sounds like we are shifting towards grabbing a bad contract for a pick/prospect which probably made more sense last year. But it seems better than all the other options.

1 name i'm interested to see about is Moe Harkless. He just turned 25 and has shown the ability to hit the 3 and play above average defense. Portland is over the cap so we could potentially grab him and some incentive?

I’ve been on the Harkless train for a while because I really like his game, he fits like a glove, and Vlade has shown interest in the past. I just don’t think Portland will attach assets to him because he is a positive. If we want him, we will probably have to take Leonard and a pick.

[LightTheBeam]

I'm on the Marcus Smart train if we go free agency.

1. We can get him for a good deal.
2. With Fox/Bagley/Bogdan/Hield all being offensive 1st, we could really use a nice playmaking/defensive guy.
3. He is a proven winner. He comes up with big time plays in big time situations. I think he would do wonders for our young guys and be someone Buddy can look to grow with on the defensive end.
4. I think hes the most versatile of the bunch. He can guard 1-3, much better than Lavine could dream of.

All that said it sounds like we are shifting towards grabbing a bad contract for a pick/prospect which probably made more sense last year. But it seems better than all the other options.

1 name i'm interested to see about is Moe Harkless. He just turned 25 and has shown the ability to hit the 3 and play above average defense. Portland is over the cap so we could potentially grab him and some incentive?

I’ve been on the Harkless train for a while because I really like his game, he fits like a glove, and Vlade has shown interest in the past. I just don’t think Portland will attach assets to him because he is a positive. If we want him, we will probably have to take Leonard and a pick.

Interesting. Ya i'm not to sure about the incentive. I was thinking more along the lines of a 2nd round pick but I know we just got a few from Portland.

I think Portland who is sitting at 119 and likely higher once the Nurkic contract is settled has some incentive to move off of someone.

It comes down to paying to move Leonard or potentially dumping Harkless for free and it will be interesting to see what route they go down.

[kalenclayton]

I'm on the Marcus Smart train if we go free agency.

1. We can get him for a good deal.
2. With Fox/Bagley/Bogdan/Hield all being offensive 1st, we could really use a nice playmaking/defensive guy.
3. He is a proven winner. He comes up with big time plays in big time situations. I think he would do wonders for our young guys and be someone Buddy can look to grow with on the defensive end.
4. I think hes the most versatile of the bunch. He can guard 1-3, much better than Lavine could dream of.

All that said it sounds like we are shifting towards grabbing a bad contract for a pick/prospect which probably made more sense last year. But it seems better than all the other options.

1 name i'm interested to see about is Moe Harkless. He just turned 25 and has shown the ability to hit the 3 and play above average defense. Portland is over the cap so we could potentially grab him and some incentive?

I’ve been on the Harkless train for a while because I really like his game, he fits like a glove, and Vlade has shown interest in the past. I just don’t think Portland will attach assets to him because he is a positive. If we want him, we will probably have to take Leonard and a pick.

Interesting. Ya i'm not to sure about the incentive. I was thinking more along the lines of a 2nd round pick but I know we just got a few from Portland.

I think Portland who is sitting at 119 and likely higher once the Nurkic contract is settled has some incentive to move off of someone.

It comes down to paying to move Leonard or potentially dumping Harkless for free and it will be interesting to see what route they go down.

I wonder if they would do:
Harkless, Leonard, top-5 protected ‘19 1st, ‘20 1st pick swap option
For
Justin Jackson

[SacKingZZZ]

The Kings should be able to get back into next draft, but teams aren't going to give them over the top value, and probably not even a useful player. If they are trying to go for value and need Vlade might be wasting his time. Get as good a pick as possible and provide relief for someones tax burden, that is all. I'd like to say condense some youth into the deal for extra value but this is why you don't bury your young players like Joerger did last year for the sake of so called development.

[rpa]

I think trying to take on salary for a pick is monumentally stupid (this year). In the past (e.g. last year) it made a lot of sense. This year? No. Reasons:
#1: The 2019 draft is supposed to be really weak. If you want to gamble on a future pick try and guess which year the league is going to open up the draft to high school kids again. That year will be an epic draft (but if you guess wrong and get the year AFTER that you lose a ton of value).
#2: Teams are less compelled to give up assets if they're only saving money vs. making space. Most of the league is so capped out that the $17mil (or so) that we could take off their hands won't give them the space to sign someone worthwhile.
#3: With so few teams having cap space this year there's far less competition for the good players that are left. Couple that with the fact that most of the better options come from teams approaching/over the luxury tax (e.g. Smart/Boston, Capella/Houston) and it's easier than ever to get an RFA without having to overpay to insanity.
#4: There are a TON of teams with cap space (and generally low cap numbers) next summer. That means more competition for free agents.
#5: Let's be honest: the Kings are, hands down, one of the worst drafting teams in the league. Giving them a pick in the teens or 20s--what they'd likely get from a salary dump--is almost certainly going to be a wasted selection. Even if it's not what are the chances that that player turns out better than what the Kings could get off the market this year?

Like RipPizzaGuy I'm fully on the Smart train. This team needs more playmakers and more defenders. Guess what Smart does?

[Dominator83]

Come on guys. Sign Lavine to a sheet so we can get this ball rolling. The RFA waiting period ended 5 hours ago

Watch on YouTube

[SacKingZZZ]

I think trying to take on salary for a pick is monumentally stupid (this year). In the past (e.g. last year) it made a lot of sense. This year? No. Reasons:
#1: The 2019 draft is supposed to be really weak. If you want to gamble on a future pick try and guess which year the league is going to open up the draft to high school kids again. That year will be an epic draft (but if you guess wrong and get the year AFTER that you lose a ton of value).
#2: Teams are less compelled to give up assets if they're only saving money vs. making space. Most of the league is so capped out that the $17mil (or so) that we could take off their hands won't give them the space to sign someone worthwhile.
#3: With so few teams having cap space this year there's far less competition for the good players that are left. Couple that with the fact that most of the better options come from teams approaching/over the luxury tax (e.g. Smart/Boston, Capella/Houston) and it's easier than ever to get an RFA without having to overpay to insanity.
#4: There are a TON of teams with cap space (and generally low cap numbers) next summer. That means more competition for free agents.
#5: Let's be honest: the Kings are, hands down, one of the worst drafting teams in the league. Giving them a pick in the teens or 20s--what they'd likely get from a salary dump--is almost certainly going to be a wasted selection. Even if it's not what are the chances that that player turns out better than what the Kings could get off the market this year?

Like RipPizzaGuy I'm fully on the Smart train. This team needs more playmakers and more defenders. Guess what Smart does?

Picks are something tangible. Players that don't play just take up space, time, and are a burden if they aren't going to help you win to any significant degree. I'll have to see what next draft shapes up to be, I don't think it will be a terrible one. There are some interesting prospects. A pick can always be added as sweetener whereas contracts and players are a different thing entirely and can complicate any further deals. The Kings shouldn't take on any super long term salary for low picks but a 1 year deal while a team can count their money saved is worth it to me. I'm not sure about Vivek but they have to get to the salary floor anyway so he's spending the money regardless.

[SacKingZZZ]

Come on guys. Sign Lavine to a sheet so we can get this ball rolling. The RFA waiting period ended 5 hours ago

Watch on YouTube

It doesn't sound like they are going to even bother. Remember, the Kings are like one of the only teams with space at the moment so I'm sure Vlade's phone is ringing off the hook with agents begging for that very thing. If they've messed with him in the past he can mess with them now.

[Dominator83]

Come on guys. Sign Lavine to a sheet so we can get this ball rolling. The RFA waiting period ended 5 hours ago

Watch on YouTube

It doesn't sound like they are going to even bother. Remember, the Kings are like one of the only teams with space at the moment so I'm sure Vlade's phone is ringing off the hook with agents begging for that very thing. If they've messed with him in the past he can mess with them now.

Yea at this point im guessing that his agent was just using you guys for leverage. I don't see where it benefits your roster to bring in a $20 million shooting guard with lots of holes in his game, when you already have Hield and Bogdan who may not look as sexy, but are probably better all around players.

For my team, im leaning more tords not wanting him back if resigning him prevents us from having 2 MAX slots next summer. I would much rather take a swing at the Butler/Kyrie combo. I mean, im sure we'll strike out because we always do on the big ones. The CHICAGO BULLS might be glamorous in name and market, but we're just as small market as anybody when it comes to acquiring stars via free agency and trades. But i seriously dont think that outside landing legit stars thru those avenues, that were gonna be contending anytime soon whether Zach is retained or not. Hes just not that big a difference maker. In fact, Dunn and Markkanen were considerably worse WITH Zach on the floor with them

[LightTheBeam]

Come on guys. Sign Lavine to a sheet so we can get this ball rolling. The RFA waiting period ended 5 hours ago

Watch on YouTube

It doesn't sound like they are going to even bother. Remember, the Kings are like one of the only teams with space at the moment so I'm sure Vlade's phone is ringing off the hook with agents begging for that very thing. If they've messed with him in the past he can mess with them now.

Yea at this point im guessing that his agent was just using you guys for leverage. I don't see where it benefits your roster to bring in a $20 million shooting guard with lots of holes in his game, when you already have Hield and Bogdan who may not look as sexy, but are probably better all around players.

For my team, im leaning more tords not wanting him back if resigning him prevents us from having 2 MAX slots next summer. I would much rather take a swing at the Butler/Kyrie combo. I mean, im sure we'll strike out because we always do on the big ones. The CHICAGO BULLS might be glamorous in name and market, but we're just as small market as anybody when it comes to acquiring stars via free agency and trades. But i seriously dont think that outside landing legit stars thru those avenues, that were gonna be contending anytime soon whether Zach is retained or not. Hes just not that big a difference maker. In fact, Dunn and Markkanen were considerably worse WITH Zach on the floor with them

Ya I want nothing to do with Zach. I hope to god we don't sign him. That said his leverage is all but gone, I can't really see any team offering him a contract. Its down to Sac, ATL, and Chicago. Sacramento has 3 guards we like better, ATL just drafted 2 guys in the backcourt and still have Dennis. I think Chicago may potentially get him at a much lower price than we originally anticipated. 3/36 would be a nice place for him to settle into after his injury.

[sacking123]

Well there it is. 4/80 offer sheet signed for Lavine. Bulls are on the clock


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

[blind prophet]

[RedBulls23]

Well there it is. 4/80 offer sheet signed for Lavine. Bulls are on the clock


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

What's the general consensus on the board about the Kings doing this?

[sacking123]

ESPN story has it as 4/78. Not much better but still lol.
Quote from the article
"I'm disappointed that I had to get an offer sheet from another team," LaVine, 23, told The Undefeated. "But Sacramento stepped up and made a strong impression. It appears that Sacramento wants me more than Chicago."


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums